Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[Theo_14]

Time to give Arteta credit where it’s due. Arsenal defensively look stronger than ever, winning duels and pragmatic approach to the game is what Arteta is trying to implement.

Happy to see Arteta improving using his subs wisely and timely. Elite decision to send Tommy forward, that decision, led to the goal IMO, even though Partey’s progressive long ball was pleasing to the eye.

Good win, if we can add Neto to this line-up that will give us the fluidity and extra yard in pace that we seem to be lacking lately.

 

[Mamoon]

So anyone who got the prediction of today’s game wrong is a ?

I thought you were better than that.

I agree that people can say whatever they want but being consistently off the mark will expose your credibility.

Your views on Edu, Martinelli and Havertz epitomise that.

Edu:
He has done a terrific job overall. Since joining Arsenal in 2019 as TD, the club has been trending in the right direction because it has been making the right moves in the market.

Every TD/SD makes bad calls just like every manager takes bad decisions. That is the nature of the sport, the nature of the job.

Edu signed Odegaard for £30m, a player who is yet to enter the prime of his career and is already worth £100m+.

He signed Rice in spite of pressure from Man City and his critics kept telling us that he will lose out on the player because no one can compete with City.

Over the last couple of years, apart from 1-2, almost every signing has made an impact and proved to be a good purchase.

Could he have done better with outgoing transfers? Certainly, but as I said, everyone in his position gets a lot of things wrong. You can look at every single club.

However, you have to look at the overall performance and overall, he has done a splendid job.

Arsenal fans need to be more grateful and appreciative of the work Edu has done especially when you look at the business Chelsea and Man United have done.

But his critics would try to convince you that every good signing had nothing to do with Edu and happened due to XYZ reasons while every bad signing had everything to do with him.

In other words, he has to take all the blame and none of the credit. This is what pure hate looks like.

Havertz:
Arsenal fans need to get off his backside and give him a chance. He is playing for a new team with a new tactical profile. Again, his performances for Chelsea in the recent past mean nothing because he was not signed for those performances.

He was signed for the fact that he is only 24 and has some very interesting characteristics that the club thinks could add something new and different to the team.

He can play in multiple positions and can also serve as a target man who can hold the ball and we saw that yesterday. Arsenal have lacked such a presence upfront since Giroud left 5 years ago.

He has the backing of the manager and he is working hard to prove himself. Arsenal fans should support him.

Eventually, if it doesn’t work out, so what? He won’t be the first or the last player to not succeed but sometimes, you have to take a chance with someone because you believe in yourself and you believe in that player.

Arteta took that chance with Havertz and let’s see where we are at the end of the season.

Martinelli:
You and @Amjid Javed keep harping about his G/A compared to other LWs but that is a cop-out because it doesn’t hide his deficiencies and the areas that he needs to improve on.

Don’t get me wrong - he has a lot of good qualities. He is rapid, he is aggressive, tenacious and ruffles the defenders. It is always great to have a direct player like him in the squad who can take defenders on.

However, he has major and glaring weaknesses and shortcomings and hiding behind his stats and how he compares to other in his position doesn’t help.

He is wasteful, he lacks composure, he makes a lot of bad decisions in the final third and can be very panicky instead of slowing the game down for a bit and making the right decision.

Anyone who has watched him over the years should agree with this assessment otherwise they are clearly in denial.

Even yesterday, his shot was at least 10 ft wide of the target. It was his great fortune that the deflection ended up in the goal, but a world class LW in that position should be hitting the target and testing the goalkeeper.

It was classic Martinelli - great position and bad execution. Thankfully, the deflection off Ake was perfectly executed and won Arsenal the match.

 

[Mamoon]

^ I will also add that if Martinelli improves on the aspects that I highlighted, I will be the first one to give him credit and I will be genuinely happy because he loves Arsenal and it would be great for one of Arsenal’s own players to reach an elite level.

Unlike a few Arsenal “fans”, being proved right is not important than watching the club succeed.

There are Arsenal “fans” on this forum and elsewhere who pray for Arsenal to lose so that they can bash Arteta and thump their chests over being proved right.

However, until Martinelli improves the aspects that I highlighted, I will not sit here and pretend that is not a headless chicken because he is doing better than XYZ players in his position.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Mamoon your actually boring everyone in this thread with your nonsense statements.





Your the one who brought up G/A you . Saying that Martinelli should have 25 goals and 15 assists.

So like I said give me the list of LW getting 40 G/A in Europe right now in all competitions.

You like to make outlandish statements that just back track like a coward.

So either give me the list of players or just shut up with your nonsense.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The whole Martinelli is a headless chicken is hilarious and trolling at highest level.

Martinelli in his 1st two seasons at Arsenal had a serious knee injury which kept him out for equivalent of a seasons worth of football. Also was given limited game time due to Arteta picking willian in front of him every game.

Since then he's had 2 full seasons where he's developed. This is his 3rd "full season" where he's been given consistent football. Yet a certain on here seems to think he should be giving out Henry, salah, Ronaldo type GA.

Seriously stop talking

 

[Amjid Javed]

^ I will also add that if Martinelli improves on the aspects that I highlighted, I will be the first one to give him credit and I will be genuinely happy because he loves Arsenal and it would be great for one of Arsenal’s own players to reach an elite level.

Unlike a few Arsenal “fans”, being proved right is not important than watching the club succeed.

There are Arsenal “fans” on this forum and elsewhere who pray for Arsenal to lose so that they can bash Arteta and thump their chests over being proved right.

However, until Martinelli improves the aspects that I highlighted, I will not sit here and pretend that is not a headless chicken because he is doing better than XYZ players in his position.

Every Arsenal fan wants club to do well the difference lies in the standards those fans expect.

You have the tweaker getting gassed up on 'progression" and ultimately zero trophies.

There are others who expect the club to win titles etc. And hold the club to high standards any big club should.

Players and managers come and go, yet there are bhangra dances getting gassed up over managers and players who gave achieved nothing at Arsenal. Again comes down to standards.

So quit with the righteous speeches like some sort of football no it all.

 

[MK7Z]

Cant believe England want to test Saka themselves. Give the boy a rest. Southgate is such a tool.

This international break could work out great. Saka gets his rest. Saliba i believe has pulled out of the France Squad.
Ideally Rice gets limited minutes and Gabriel does'nt play

 

[topspin]

I disagree. Go look at his goals last season. He was blowing teams away in the first 30 mins.

I’ll give you an example, the home game against Liverpool where he scored in the first or second minute. I was lucky enough to see it live at the Emirates.

@Mamoon

Half of his goals in the PL season came in the first 30 mins which dispels your view of him being useful as a late sub and proves why he has to start for Arsenal.

Crystal Palace (away) - 20 mins
Liverpool (home) - 1 min
Nottingham Forest (away) - 5 mins
Fulham (away) - 26 mins
Crystal Palace (home) - 28 mins
Liverpool (away) - 8 mins
Southampton (home) - 20 mins

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Mamoon

Half of his goals in the PL season came in the first 30 mins which dispels your view of him being useful as a late sub and proves why he has to start for Arsenal.

Crystal Palace (away) - 20 mins
Liverpool (home) - 1 min
Nottingham Forest (away) - 5 mins
Fulham (away) - 26 mins
Crystal Palace (home) - 28 mins
Liverpool (away) - 8 mins
Southampton (home) - 20 mins

POTW nomination here, brilliant stats

I'm sure new excuses will be rolled out by the guilty party

 

[Amjid Javed]

Cant believe England want to test Saka themselves. Give the boy a rest. Southgate is such a tool.

This international break could work out great. Saka gets his rest. Saliba i believe has pulled out of the France Squad.
Ideally Rice gets limited minutes and Gabriel does'nt play

Southgate doesn't care about Arsensl or saka, he will just play him 90 mins all time regardless. He's just another incompetent manager

 

[topspin]

POTW nomination here, brilliant stats

I'm sure new excuses will be rolled out by the guilty party

We both have very high standards for our players.

Martinelli is rated as one of the top left wingers in the world by two independent and reputable sources. The calibre of left wingers in the current game is higher than what I've ever seen before, so for him to achieve what he has and be regarded as one of the best in his position is a testament to how good he is.

 

[Amjid Javed]

We both have very high standards for our players.

Martinelli is rated as one of the top left wingers in the world by two independent and reputable sources. The calibre of left wingers in the current game is higher than what I've ever seen before, so for him to achieve what he has and be regarded as one of the best in his position is a testament to how good he is.

People forget that in reality Martinelli is in his 5th season at club, but the 1st two were hugely disrupted by injury. Then you had Arteta playing willian infrony of him.

So reality is this is his 3rd season where he will be playing consistent football baring any huge injury.

Reason Saka had developed a lot more is he's had no major injuries and is probably 12-18 months ahead in development.

But those with a clueless agenda will ignore that.

Yet at same time they are doing bhangra over havertz a proven flop saying that they are a "work in progress" and "doesn't matter if they fail"

It's comedy central.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Mamoon - yet another load of rubbish.

All the players signed in summer Rice, Timber, Raya and havertz were meant to be ready made proven players who were 1st team quality and upgrades on existing players. Havertz is a down grade on xhaka.

Yes now your spewing excuses like he's some sort of "work in progress". The Vieira signing was a so called "work in progress". Havertz has been in PL 3 years so all this nonsense he needs time to adjust is just just yet another pathetic excuses. You want ride havertz like he's some sort of star attraction. But quickly uve changed your tune.

Because your still wiping egg off your face from last season your now adding cowardly disclaimers like "oh doesn't matter If he fails"

Well dont do the bhangra if your going to come up with weak excuses and back track.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Could this be the year for Arsenal?

I still remember when Liverpool lost UCL final against Real Madrid we all believed that it would take another decade for Liverpool to reach UCL final once again. Fast forward a year later Liverpool defeated Spurs to be crowned UCL champions.

Same analogy being applied in here. Last year we believed Arsenal would have wasted a golden opportunity that might not come again in a decade to win the premier league. There is still quite a bit of season to go but if anything yesterday was a remarkable statement that last year was not a fluke and this team is getting stronger now year on year. I believe they are now genuine contenders for the premier league. Winning the premier league when City is at their absolute peak and Liverpool being a top European club will be a massive achievement for this young team. Let's see how the rest of the season goes but the signs are encouraging.

 

[Firebat]

Time to give Arteta credit where it’s due. Arsenal defensively look stronger than ever, winning duels and pragmatic approach to the game is what Arteta is trying to implement.

Happy to see Arteta improving using his subs wisely and timely. Elite decision to send Tommy forward, that decision, led to the goal IMO, even though Partey’s progressive long ball was pleasing to the eye.

Good win, if we can add Neto to this line-up that will give us the fluidity and extra yard in pace that we seem to be lacking lately.

Massive credit goes to Arteta.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1711314439587119520

The Tomi-Doku-White was a brilliant example. As explained in the post match press conferences, Doku comes on for City targeting Zinchenko so Arteta respond with Tomiyasu, the best 1 on 1 defender in the squad behind Saliba. So Pep instructs Doku to switch flanks and target White. Arteta tells Tomiyasu to push up, he wins the header in their box that leads to our goal. Meanwhile White pockets Doku anyway.

Student finally got one over on the master.

 

[MK7Z]

Arsenal are only 1 point worse off from last season. After 8 games last season we had played only United who are deemed a "top club". This season we have Played City Spurs and United. All at home yes but cant be frowned upon. Considering we are yet to play any of the promoted teams where as Spurs have played all 3 + liverpool and United at home. Man City have only played us out of the big clubs + 2 of the very poor promoted clubs

What I am trying to get at is that its been an OK start and we still haven't looked great. Get the players fit and I think we will improve. Like I have mentioned before the pressure is on Arteta but he deserves some credit for the fact we are still not satisfied with this start as we drew 2 games we should have won.

He has raised the standards of the club which can only be completed when he wins a major.
I keep telling myself get to January within touch and in the race and get that gun man up front and I think we will win the title.

I know its a long time away but Timber is a big miss and could be key for the run in if he recovers around Easter. A bit far fetched as no idea how he will be but big plus.

CBA with the international break. I mean who really cares about it. I hate it

 

[Mamoon]

@Mamoon

Half of his goals in the PL season came in the first 30 mins which dispels your view of him being useful as a late sub and proves why he has to start for Arsenal.

Crystal Palace (away) - 20 mins
Liverpool (home) - 1 min
Nottingham Forest (away) - 5 mins
Fulham (away) - 26 mins
Crystal Palace (home) - 28 mins
Liverpool (away) - 8 mins
Southampton (home) - 20 mins

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

My assessment that Martinelli should be used as a late sub is based on the fact that he is not reliable enough to be a starter and considering his best assets are his speed and directness, he is best utilized as a late sub so that he can have a crack at tiring defenders.

The way he was utilized against City is exactly how he should be utilized because I’m personally not comfortable with a wasteful and unreliable player like him to be a permanent starter.

You can also play him as a starter and then sub him later but a brain-dead yet explosive player him is best utilized as a late sub.

 

[Mamoon]

Massive credit goes to Arteta.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1711314439587119520

The Tomi-Doku-White was a brilliant example. As explained in the post match press conferences, Doku comes on for City targeting Zinchenko so Arteta respond with Tomiyasu, the best 1 on 1 defender in the squad behind Saliba. So Pep instructs Doku to switch flanks and target White. Arteta tells Tomiyasu to push up, he wins the header in their box that leads to our goal. Meanwhile White pockets Doku anyway.

Student finally got one over on the master.

But but but but but but but Arteta is a clueless fraud who can only copy Pep tactics.

 

[Amjid Javed]

But but but but but but but Arteta is a clueless fraud who can only copy Pep tactics.

Well done 1st win over Pep in PL in 8 games by Arteta. We all know how you celebrated

 

[Amjid Javed]

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

My assessment that Martinelli should be used as a late sub is based on the fact that he is not reliable enough to be a starter and considering his best assets are his speed and directness, he is best utilized as a late sub so that he can have a crack at tiring defenders.

The way he was utilized against City is exactly how he should be utilized because I’m personally not comfortable with a wasteful and unreliable player like him to be a permanent starter.

You can also play him as a starter and then sub him later but a brain-dead yet explosive player him is best utilized as a late sub.

same Copy paste repeated rubbish. Your like a broken record

Still waiting for all these LW with 40 G/A

When uve got the list let us all know

 

[Mamoon]

Well done 1st win over Pep in PL in 8 games by Arteta. We all know how you celebrated

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[MK7Z]

This thread is very confusing

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal are only 1 point worse off from last season. After 8 games last season we had played only United who are deemed a "top club". This season we have Played City Spurs and United. All at home yes but cant be frowned upon. Considering we are yet to play any of the promoted teams where as Spurs have played all 3 + liverpool and United at home. Man City have only played us out of the big clubs + 2 of the very poor promoted clubs

What I am trying to get at is that its been an OK start and we still haven't looked great. Get the players fit and I think we will improve. Like I have mentioned before the pressure is on Arteta but he deserves some credit for the fact we are still not satisfied with this start as we drew 2 games we should have won.

He has raised the standards of the club which can only be completed when he wins a major.
I keep telling myself get to January within touch and in the race and get that gun man up front and I think we will win the title.

I know its a long time away but Timber is a big miss and could be key for the run in if he recovers around Easter. A bit far fetched as no idea how he will be but big plus.

CBA with the international break. I mean who really cares about it. I hate it

Like any given title race it will come down to which team handles the pressure at the end of march till the end of the season.

Arsenal can build a foundation up until March but ultimately it will come down to how the players handle the pressure and the manager shows he can actually rotate and show good in game management, somethings he's failed to do in last 3 seasons at the pressure end.

Arsenal's last 9 fixtures include 4 away games at man city, brighton, spurs and United. The last mentioned being Arsenal's last away games of the season.

Pressure of winning games now and April time are completely different.

Man city have an easier set of last 9 games. Liverpools last 9 are probably as difficult as Arsenal's. Both Man city, Liverpool have dealt with this pressure before. Arsenal need to show a different mentality in April and show they can as well.

 

[MK7Z]

I dont think Liverpool are that team yet. Don't forget Thursday Sunday going to catch up with them.
Should have lost to Brighton. Were outplayed by wolves earlier in the season. Nicked it against Newcastle which was impressive.

Their midfield is so unbalanced. So easy to play against. I think they will be 3rd at best

 

[Amjid Javed]

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Only person crying was the coward that ran off at end of last season.

"Oh its in the bag"




Again your lack of football knowledge exposed as you can't even give a list of all these 40 G / A wingers.

Go wipe the remaining egg off your face from last season

 

[Amjid Javed]

I dont think Liverpool are that team yet. Don't forget Thursday Sunday going to catch up with them.
Should have lost to Brighton. Were outplayed by wolves earlier in the season. Nicked it against Newcastle which was impressive.

Their midfield is so unbalanced. So easy to play against. I think they will be 3rd at best

Liverpool have rotated players in europa league to keep players fresh for PL, just like we did last season.

Their weakness is there mediocre defence. They need to sign more defenders.

However the have the best keeper In world in Alison and also score goals for fun at other end.

Their 1st 4 away games this season have been Chelsea, Newcastle, spurs, Brighton, they have also played West ham and villa.

So barring Arsenal and man city. They have played most of the sides sitting in top 8 places in league currently.

As much as I hate Liverpool and there gobshite fans, they aren't to be dismissed

 

[MK7Z]

thank god - Saka wont be involved with England

 

[MK7Z]

Liverpool have rotated players in europa league to keep players fresh for PL, just like we did last season.

Their weakness is there mediocre defence. They need to sign more defenders.

However the have the best keeper In world in Alison and also score goals for fun at other end.

Their 1st 4 away games this season have been Chelsea, Newcastle, spurs, Brighton, they have also played West ham and villa.

So barring Arsenal and man city. They have played most of the sides sitting in top 8 places in league currently.

As much as I hate Liverpool and there gobshite fans, they aren't to be dismissed

Thats a good point but from top of my head all of them have been following European commitments during midweek for those teams barring Chelsea Spurs and I think Newcastle as UCL had not started by then.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Thats a good point but from top of my head all of them have been following European commitments during midweek for those teams barring Chelsea Spurs and I think Newcastle as UCL had not started by then.

Arsenal, City and Liverpool will have to balance all the competitions that they are in, Liverpool / City have proved they can do that. Also there is Afcons / Asia cup in Jan / Feb so we will lose partey, elneny and tomiyassu for a month. Liverpool will lose salah. So that can impact both teams. We need to buy a striker in January and another defender. Liverpool need a CB and DM so depends what clubs buy. City may strengthen to.

Also Newcastle, Brighton, villa, west ham, spurs have all improved massively and I think teams will take more points of each other. So that will impact a title race for main contenders

 

[hassan918]

Update on Saka:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711425479247380864

 

[topspin]

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

My assessment that Martinelli should be used as a late sub is based on the fact that he is not reliable enough to be a starter and considering his best assets are his speed and directness, he is best utilized as a late sub so that he can have a crack at tiring defenders.

The way he was utilized against City is exactly how he should be utilized because I’m personally not comfortable with a wasteful and unreliable player like him to be a permanent starter.

You can also play him as a starter and then sub him later but a brain-dead yet explosive player him is best utilized as a late sub.

The excuses keep coming but you'll continue to get schooled here.

You do realise you're dissing a player who was hailed by Klopp as the talent of the century? I'm not saying I agree with this entirely but the fact that this is coming from an ATG coach who has a proven eye for talent has to mean something.

I find it funny that you're slagging off Martinelli's 0 G/As from 7 games in last season's Europa League. It's such a lame excuse and I have to say you're quite simply digging yourself into a hole here and I'll explain why. Saka's stats in the EL last season weren't really anything worthy of mention either. He had 1 G/A in the 8 games he played in this competition. Remember Saka was given way more game time as well because there's literally no competition for right wingers in the team, whereas Martinelli was competing with Trossard for the left wing spot from January onwards. Going by your logic, it must be time now to switch your rage towards Saka.

Can't tell if your being blind, delusional or simply just trolling. Whatever it is you're not going to convince anyone to buy into your "assessment" of Martinelli especially because of how highly you think of a garbage player like Havertz.

 

[topspin]

People forget that in reality Martinelli is in his 5th season at club, but the 1st two were hugely disrupted by injury. Then you had Arteta playing willian infrony of him.

So reality is this is his 3rd season where he will be playing consistent football baring any huge injury.

Reason Saka had developed a lot more is he's had no major injuries and is probably 12-18 months ahead in development.

But those with a clueless agenda will ignore that.

Yet at same time they are doing bhangra over havertz a proven flop saying that they are a "work in progress" and "doesn't matter if they fail"

It's comedy central.

Spot on analysis. They are both the same age but the difference in development is significant largely because of Martinelli's long-term injuries.

Havertz is 24 but seems to be 5-10 years behind in development

 

[Mamoon]

The excuses keep coming but you'll continue to get schooled here.

You do realise you're dissing a player who was hailed by Klopp as the talent of the century? I'm not saying I agree with this entirely but the fact that this is coming from an ATG coach who has a proven eye for talent has to mean something.

I find it funny that you're slagging off Martinelli's 0 G/As from 7 games in last season's Europa League. It's such a lame excuse and I have to say you're quite simply digging yourself into a hole here and I'll explain why. Saka's stats in the EL last season weren't really anything worthy of mention either. He had 1 G/A in the 8 games he played in this competition. Remember Saka was given way more game time as well because there's literally no competition for right wingers in the team, whereas Martinelli was competing with Trossard for the left wing spot from January onwards. Going by your logic, it must be time now to switch your rage towards Saka.

Can't tell if you’re being blind, delusional or simply just trolling. Whatever it is you're not going to convince anyone to buy into your "assessment" of Martinelli especially because of how highly you think of a garbage player like Havertz.

So now we are relying on Klopp’s quotes? Talk about desperation.

It is laughable to see you deny the fact that Martinelli has glaring shortcomings in his game and these shortcomings are preventing him from being world class.

It is fine - keep enjoying his dumb decision making on the ball and reckless passing and shooting in the final third.

I hope Arteta is ruthless enough to realize that he will have to improve this position to take Arsenal to the next level.

Congratulations on his 15 goals last season, he is the next CR7 in the making.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So now we are relying on Klopp’s quotes? Talk about desperation.

It is laughable to see you deny the fact that Martinelli has glaring shortcomings in his game and these shortcomings are preventing him from being world class.

It is fine - keep enjoying his dumb decision making on the ball and reckless passing and shooting in the final third.

I hope Arteta is ruthless enough to realize that he will have to improve this position to take Arsenal to the next level.

Congratulations on his 15 goals last season, he is the next CR7 in the making.

Where is the the 40 G/A list?

Copying and pasting same shows how clueless you are.

Only thing laughable us your comedy comments, then how you move the goal posts followed by cowardly disclaimer to cover your back.

Embarrassing to say the least.

 

[topspin]

So now we are relying on Klopp’s quotes? Talk about desperation.

It is laughable to see you deny the fact that Martinelli has glaring shortcomings in his game and these shortcomings are preventing him from being world class.

It is fine - keep enjoying his dumb decision making on the ball and reckless passing and shooting in the final third.

I hope Arteta is ruthless enough to realize that he will have to improve this position to take Arsenal to the next level.

Congratulations on his 15 goals last season, he is the next CR7 in the making.

I tell you what desperation really is. Bringing up Martinelli's Europe League G/A stats from last season without realising Saka had almost identical stats during this tournament. You conveniently ignored this point because you've just got owned here. You thought were clever by bringing this up but it has backfired on you .

Don't come up with stupid arguments next time otherwise you'll get schooled again.

 

[topspin]

Where is the the 40 G/A list?

Copying and pasting same shows how clueless you are.

Only thing laughable us your comedy comments, then how you move the goal posts followed by cowardly disclaimer to cover your back.

Embarrassing to say the least.

He'll be praying for Martinelli to fail so he can bump this thread.

 

[Mamoon]

I tell you what desperation really is. Bringing up Martinelli's Europe League G/A stats from last season without realising Saka had almost identical stats during this tournament. You conveniently ignored this point because you've just got owned here. You thought were clever by bringing this up but it has backfired on you .

Don't come up with stupid arguments next time otherwise you'll get schooled again.

Keep enjoying Martinelli shooting 10 ft off the target and misplacing passes in the final third.

I grew up watching Henry, Pires and Bergkamp. I’m sorry if I have higher standards and want to see Arsenal at that level again which they can’t with players like Martinelli up front.

Saka, Rice and Saliba are the only three players who would get into the 2002-2005 Arsenal team and I want to see this list grow to 5-6 players.

 

[Mamoon]

He'll be praying for Martinelli to fail so he can bump this thread.

As I said above, I will be happier than anyone to see Martinelli overcome his weaknesses but until he does, I won’t pretend that they don’t exist and I won’t hide behind his G/A and comments from other managers.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Keep enjoying Martinelli shooting 10 ft off the target and misplacing passes in the final third.

I grew up watching Henry, Pires and Bergkamp. I’m sorry if I have higher standards and want to see Arsenal at that level again which they can’t with players like Martinelli up front.

Saka, Rice and Saliba are the only three players who would get into the 2002-2005 Arsenal team and I want to see this list grow to 5-6 players.

Now you really are talking

So you say you have high standards as you supposedly grew up watching Henry, Pires and Bergkamp yet your getting gassed up over ozil-gaard and havertz

Also you already said that Arsenal's achievements back then under wenger werent that great. Yet more of your contradictory

You have zero standards at all if you did you wouldnt be over hyping Arteta like you do.

You continually get shown up for your contradictory comments.

Everyone on this forum can see it.

 

[Amjid Javed]

As I said above, I will be happier than anyone to see Martinelli overcome his weaknesses but until he does, I won’t pretend that they don’t exist and I won’t hide behind his G/A and comments from other managers.

uve pasted same thing now 10+ times in this thread, seriously boring

 

[topspin]

Keep enjoying Martinelli shooting 10 ft off the target and misplacing passes in the final third.

I grew up watching Henry, Pires and Bergkamp. I’m sorry if I have higher standards and want to see Arsenal at that level again which they can’t with players like Martinelli up front.

Saka, Rice and Saliba are the only three players who would get into the 2002-2005 Arsenal team and I want to see this list grow to 5-6 players.

I started watching Arsenal in 2000 so I also grew up watching these players.

But this has nothing to do with you having higher standards and wanting to see us get back to our golden days. If you did, you wouldn't be raving about Mitoma and Trossard being superior Martinelli on the LW, as nobody holds this view.

If you want an upgrade on Martinelli and someone who would get into the invincibles team, you would crave for players like Mbappe, Vinicius Jnr and etc, not Mitoma and Trossard lol.

Also if your standards are so high, why do you get a hard on for Havertz?

 

[topspin]

As I said above, I will be happier than anyone to see Martinelli overcome his weaknesses but until he does, I won’t pretend that they don’t exist and I won’t hide behind his G/A and comments from other managers.

But you seem to hide from AJ's question about which LWs had accomplished 40 G/As from last season?

You've been asked a number of times but you seem to be bottling it. Do you want to take a break from PP and have a think about it?

 

[Amjid Javed]

But you seem to hide from AJ's question about which LWs had accomplished 40 G/As from last season?

You've been asked a number of times but you seem to be bottling it. Do you want to take a break from PP and have a think about it?

He's had plenty of breaks already.

He dissapeard last season after Arsenal lost to Man City at the Emirates

He started with "Man city will take 6 points of Arsenal"

"Then Arsenal will win at emirates"

"Then Man city win was a fluke, they can have their Arsenal win at emirate cup"

See his response to you last season




Then after Arsenal lost at eithad he dissapeared again. The below video is what mamoon was like last season

 

[Amjid Javed]

I started watching Arsenal in 2000 so I also grew up watching these players.

But this has nothing to do with you having higher standards and wanting to see us get back to our golden days. If you did, you wouldn't be raving about Mitoma and Trossard being superior Martinelli on the LW, as nobody holds this view.

If you want an upgrade on Martinelli and someone who would get into the invincibles team, you would crave for players like Mbappe, Vinicius Jnr and etc, not Mitoma and Trossard lol.

Also if your standards are so high, why do you get a hard on for Havertz?

Mamoon would be happy with a midfield of Jorghino, havertz and Arthur melo.

That's his "High standards"

Maybe the "high" is in wrong context

 

[topspin]

He's had plenty of breaks already.

He dissapeard last season after Arsenal lost to Man City at the Emirates

He started with "Man city will take 6 points of Arsenal"

"Then Arsenal will win at emirates"

"Then Man city win was a fluke, they can have their Arsenal win at emirate cup"

See his response to you last season

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Then after Arsenal lost at eithad he dissapeared again. The below video is what mamoon was like last season

I remember it very well. I find it funny that he has the nerve to call all of us after all those "eggs and tomatoes" he promised would be on the face of those who didn't agree with his title winning prediction.

 

[topspin]

Mamoon would be happy with a midfield of Jorghino, havertz and Arthur melo.

That's his "High standards"

Maybe the "high" is in wrong context

This is a Mamoon midfield right there but he'd still pick on Martinelli as the weak link in the side

 

[Amjid Javed]

This is a Mamoon midfield right there but he'd still pick on Martinelli as the weak link in the side

Just waiting for the 🖋 list of all these 40 G/A left wingers still

 

[MenInG]

This whole thread is about what Mamoon said.

Best you guys try and think of stuff to say for yourself. Surely you have your own opinions?

 

[Amjid Javed]

This whole thread is about what Mamoon said.

Best you guys try and think of stuff to say for yourself. Surely you have your own opinions?

We have given our opinions and then he avoids the questions and runs off.

What's the point a poster making claims and then moves the goal posts or avoids questions to have a meaningful discussion.

Copying and pasting the same essay again and again. It'd boring and nothing more then a clickbait exercise.

Have a look at any other posters in the thread and they have meaningful discussions without dissapearing.

 

[Firebat]

Barcelona are weighing up a move for 31-year-old Arsenal and Italy midfielder Jorginho. (Mirror)

 

[Amjid Javed]

Barcelona are weighing up a move for 31-year-old Arsenal and Italy midfielder Jorginho. (Mirror)

If he does go, with Partey and elneny at Afcons means we will need another midfielder.

He was also linked to joining lazio

 

[Saj]

Saliba and Gabriel is the best centre-half pairing in the Premier League.

Quick, strong, good readers of the game and an ideal combination.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Saliba and Gabriel is the best centre-half pairing in the Premier League.

Quick, strong, good readers of the game and an ideal combination.

They compliment each other well. In case of sailba he will become world class and Gabriel a good defender.

Both need to stay fit all season

 

[Amjid Javed]

@topspin

only four players have record both 15+ goals and assists in a single Premier League season. So the so called 25 goals and 15 Assists a certain poster was going on about is hilarious.

 

[topspin]

@topspin

only four players have record both 15+ goals and assists in a single Premier League season. So the so called 25 goals and 15 Assists a certain poster was going on about is hilarious.

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Good find.

Just goes to show how unrealistic those expectations were and then to include Europa League in the mix was just clutching at straws.

Saka had 1 G/A in 8 games and yet Martinelli is being bashed for his 0 G/A in 7 games when he had far less mins per game, after the signing of Trossard.

No one in their right mind would want him:
- Reduced to a late impact sub lol. Trossard is inferior to him at LW so is therefore better suited for that role.
- Pick Trossard/Mitoma over Martinelli at LW

If you're going to diss Martinelli and say he's not good enough, at least be consistent with your standards. Anyone who rates Havertz but doesn't rate the young Brazilian either needs to get his head checked or just lay off the Afghan spliff in Peshawar.

 

[Firebat]

Arsenal and England midfielder Emile Smith Rowe, 23, is the subject of interest from fellow Premier League side Newcastle United. (Mirror)

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal and England midfielder Emile Smith Rowe, 23, is the subject of interest from fellow Premier League side Newcastle United. (Mirror)

He should leave and play 1st team football, no point playing at a club where the manager has brought through a single "new" hale end product. Also favours mediocre players like havertz and Vieira.

ESR 10 goal PL season few season ago kept Arteta in a job.

 

[Amjid Javed]

He should leave and play 1st team football, no point playing at a club where the manager has brought through a single "new" hale end product. Also favours mediocre players like havertz and Vieira.

ESR 10 goal PL season few season ago kept Arteta in a job.

*hasnt

 

[topspin]

He should leave and play 1st team football, no point playing at a club where the manager has brought through a single "new" hale end product. Also favours mediocre players like havertz and Vieira.

ESR 10 goal PL season few season ago kept Arteta in a job.

Agreed, if you're going to play 2 x CAMs, ESR over Havertz + Vieira any day of the week.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Agreed, if you're going to play 2 x CAMs, ESR over Havertz + Vieira any day of the week.

So towards end of season it was reported ESR was training with xhaka for the midfield role, also he proved his fitness in summer during England under 21 games. Its obvious arteta doesn't trust ESR, Nelson or even to an extent Trossard with way he always gets hauled off in games.

To win a title you need to manage an entire squad and the mismanagement of players that may need to be called upon later in season is just dumb. Whole reason title challenge fell apart last season was squad and in game management at end of season under pressure.

 

[Firebat]

Arsenal are confident of agreeing a new deal with 26-year-old England defender Ben White, who is happy at the club. (Fabrizio Romano)

 

[Amjid Javed]

@topspin @MK7Z @Firebat @IMMY69

Predictions tomorrow's game

 

[topspin]

@topspin @MK7Z @Firebat @IMMY69

Predictions tomorrow's game

Arsenal win. Score prediction is tough because you don't know what you're going to get when you've got either Jesus/Nketiah playing CF.

 

[topspin]

@Amjid Javed

Do you think Norway's failings could be part due to Odegaard's weak leadership and presence in matches?

I would like to see Rice take over as captain.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal win. Score prediction is tough because you don't know what you're going to get when you've got either Jesus/Nketiah playing CF.

I think if we pick our strongest possible 11 we will win. If we play havertz, Vieira or nketitah it will be a tougher game foe us and probably scrap a win then.

I'm watching game with my friend who is a Chelsea fan so we need to win haha

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed

Do you think Norway's failings could be part due to Odegaard's weak leadership and presence in matches?

I would like to see Rice take over as captain.

Both oddegard and haaland go missing in international games, whilst they aren't a big nation, the fact the struggle to beat mid range nations is laughable.

In PL games he goes missing in big games or tough physical ones

Rice or saliba should be the Arsenal captain for me

 

[hass]

Boys I was at the Man City game. Was nervous as hell going into it but what an atmosphere and what a huge win. Sung my heart out before, during and after the game.

I’m massively confident against Chelsea today. It will be a tough grind but Arsenal are the better side, almost back to full strength and I expect them to overcome the Chelsea resistance.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Boys I was at the Man City game. Was nervous as hell going into it but what an atmosphere and what a huge win. Sung my heart out before, during and after the game.

I’m massively confident against Chelsea today. It will be a tough grind but Arsenal are the better side, almost back to full strength and I expect them to overcome the Chelsea resistance.

Yeah I think we will won 1-0 or 2-1 today

 

[FearlessRoar]

Congratulations

https://x.com/i/web/status/1715753113305350312

 

[Saj]

Oh dear.

One of those days it seems.

 

[Saj]

Raya all over the place again.

Nearly 3-0 to Chelsea.

 

[Saj]

Wow, what a comeback.

2-2 now

Could go on and win it.

 

[Mamoon]

Incredible comeback. The mentality of this Arsenal team is immense.

This is a huge point especially because it preserves Arsenal’s unbeaten run.

Martinelli

 

[Amjid Javed]

Awful performance and lucky we got a point in the end

 

[Mamoon]

I think if we pick our strongest possible 11 we will win. If we play havertz, Vieira or nketitah it will be a tougher game foe us and probably scrap a win then.

I'm watching game with my friend who is a Chelsea fan so we need to win haha

Arsenal win. Score prediction is tough because you don't know what you're going to get when you've got either Jesus/Nketiah playing CF.

Do everyone a favor and stop making predictions.

City will beat Arsenal, Arsenal will beat Chelsea….

 

[Saj]

Chelsea will be kicking themselves.

In the end, a good point for Arsenal.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Do everyone a favor and stop making predictions.

City will beat Arsenal, Arsenal will beat Chelsea….

Says the who said title was in the bag

 

[topspin]

Do everyone a favor and stop making predictions.

City will beat Arsenal, Arsenal will beat Chelsea….

Look who's talking

You're the one who should have piped down after your predictions last season. "Title in the bag" and "eggs and tomatoes" ready for those who dismissed our chances.

Also should we talk about Havertz? Another prediction of yours that's failing as well. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being sold at the end of the season and ends ups in the Saudi League. No one will want him after his 4 years of misery in the PL.

 

[topspin]

As I expected Raya isn't good enough. His positioning was horrible when Mudryk lobbed him albeit a fluke.

Yes some of his stats make him look superior to Ramsdale however he can't cope with the pressure and expectation when it comes to playing for a big club.
Ramsdale needs to come back. I would be shocked if Arteta continues to persist with Raya.

Odegaard was poor once again and went missing yet again. I can't ever remember when he stepped up once the going gets tough especially in big away games. He's physcially very weak and struggles to win the ball back. Easily gets dispossessed. Technically he might be elite but mentally he's far from it.

Not sure why Jorgino was starting ahead of Partey. His lack of mobility made it easy for Chelsea to control the midfield.

Saliba and Gabriel both had a rare game where they looked shaky. They clearly didn't enjoy playing in the rain.

Zinchenko was toothless in 1v1s against Sterling/Palmer.

Declan Rice stepped up again in a big game. He's been our best player this season. Great finish for that goal he scored.

Arsenal were far from convincing and deserved to lose today but it certainly feels like 1 point gained rather than 2 points lost.

 

[topspin]

Both oddegard and haaland go missing in international games, whilst they aren't a big nation, the fact the struggle to beat mid range nations is laughable.

In PL games he goes missing in big games or tough physical ones

Rice or saliba should be the Arsenal captain for me

Overall, I'm happy with where Odegaard is right now - considering the fact that we managed to buy him for £30m. However, he's a little bit overrated. The comparisons with KDB need to stop. He's not at that level.