Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[Mamoon]

Dear Mamoon the Buffoon,

I was very pleased for him, about time he time he contributed for Arsenal, given his £70m price tag.

Unlike you, I don't have an appetite for mediocrity. This is evident by how much you twerk for him and Imam-ul-Haq.

The only Arsenal fan who gets heartburn, when one of their players performs, is you. I just wonder how much pain you've had to endure seeing all those goals from Martinelli.

I can see the pain and disappointment in your words. Also another bonus for today:

“Zinchenko cannot defend”

 

[Mamoon]

116th win for Arteta as Arsenal manager across all competitions. The most for any Arsenal manager in history after 200 games.

But but but but he’s a clueless fraud and should be sacked and replaced with 80 year old Ancelotti who has won 5 league titles in 50 years.

 

[topspin]

I can see the pain and disappointment in your words. Also another bonus for today:

“Zinchenko cannot defend”

The only one who's in pain is you.

I stand by what I said about Zinchenko.

 

[MenInG]

To be brutally honest, we scrapped through!

But I will take it.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Kai Havertz: “I am so thankful for fans' support. It is hard when a new signing comes and they pay a lot of money for you”.

“It is hard work, nothing comes from itself and you have to work and have to believe. I tried to put my ego aside”.

 

[James]

Good win for Arsenal, a deserved one.

Brentford seem to have had a bit of a slow start to the season. They’re not playing on the front foot as much. Seem a bit negative.

Do we have a title race here?

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta has transformed a leaky defense from last season into the most secure and solid defense in the league.

Arsenal have conceded the fewest goal this seasons and the fewest goals away from home.

Arsenal lacks a bit of goals which is is understandable when you have Jesus and Eddie as your strikers, a headless chicken like Martinelli on the left wing and Saka, a brilliant winger who is supremely intelligent but not a natural goal-scorer like Salah. He is more of a winger than a wide-forward.

However, the immediate priority was to make the defense more solid and he has achieved that this season and naturally, the signing of Rice has been a massive factor too.

Rice is the best defensive midfielder in the world and a true leader. He is a captain without the armband. A true warrior on the pitch who gives his 100% and produces a 10/10 performance week in, week out.

Before people start meat-riding Rodri, no doubt he is phenomenal too. His passing and tackling are outstanding and he has a few goals in him too, but I have never seen someone intercept the ball the way Rice does.

It is absolutely incredible. His anticipation and ability to read the pass before it is even delivered is top notch. By far the greatest and most impactful signing of the Emirates era.

Arsenal will win everything in the coming years and the signing of Rice will be seen as the defining moment. Credit goes to Arteta and Edu for identifying what they needed and for securing his signing when the likes of City came calling and bodied them.

Arteta is truly a gift for Arsenal. The best young manager in the world by some distance and someone who belongs in the same category as Pep and Klopp.

The way he has transformed Arsenal and the way he has sharpened the defense which has been an Achilles heel for the club for 15 years speaks volumes of his caliber as a manager.

As they say - “Arsene built the Emirates and Arteta turned the lights on”
M

 

[Amjid Javed]

To be brutally honest, we scrapped through!

But I will take it.

Won ugly which you have to do sometimes.

I think ramsdale career is done. He got away with the chance where rice cleared off line. you can tell from Artetas face he was fuming.

Havertz turned up in PL for 1st time in 4 seasons.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta has transformed a leaky defense from last season into the most secure and solid defense in the league.

Arsenal have conceded the fewest goal this seasons and the fewest goals away from home.

Arsenal lacks a bit of goals which is is understandable when you have Jesus and Eddie as your strikers, a headless chicken like Martinelli on the left wing and Saka, a brilliant winger who is supremely intelligent but not a natural goal-scorer like Salah. He is more of a winger than a wide-forward.

However, the immediate priority was to make the defense more solid and he has achieved that this season and naturally, the signing of Rice has been a massive factor too.

Rice is the best defensive midfielder in the world and a true leader. He is a captain without the armband. A true warrior on the pitch who gives his 100% and produces a 10/10 performance week in, week out.

Before people start meat-riding Rodri, no doubt he is phenomenal too. His passing and tackling are outstanding and he has a few goals in him too, but I have never seen someone intercept the ball the way Rice does.

It is absolutely incredible. His anticipation and ability to read the pass before it is even delivered is top notch. By far the greatest and most impactful signing of the Emirates era.

Arsenal will win everything in the coming years and the signing of Rice will be seen as the defining moment. Credit goes to Arteta and Edu for identifying what they needed and for securing his signing when the likes of City came calling and bodied them.

Arteta is truly a gift for Arsenal. The best young manager in the world by some distance and someone who belongs in the same category as Pep and Klopp.

The way he has transformed Arsenal and the way he has sharpened the defense which has been an Achilles heel for the club for 15 years speaks volumes of his caliber as a manager.

As they say - “Arsene built the Emirates and Arteta turned the lights on”
M

same category as klopp and Pep?

Arteta riding in full force.

Maybe win a PL or CL 1st before your still bogus claims

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good win for Arsenal, a deserved one.

Brentford seem to have had a bit of a slow start to the season. They’re not playing on the front foot as much. Seem a bit negative.

Do we have a title race here?

Title race will be March time. For now top 3 will be looking to manoeuvre for positions

 

[Amjid Javed]

116th win for Arteta as Arsenal manager across all competitions. The most for any Arsenal manager in history after 200 games.

But but but but he’s a clueless fraud and should be sacked and replaced with 80 year old Ancelotti who has won 5 league titles in 50 years.

Meaningless stats

Both Wenger and GG won the title inside their 1st 200 games.

Again nonsense from you

 

[MenInG]

Won ugly which you have to do sometimes.

I think ramsdale career is done. He got away with the chance where rice cleared off line. you can tell from Artetas face he was fuming.

Havertz turned up in PL for 1st time in 4 seasons.

After his gift penalty goal lol

 

[Amjid Javed]

After his gift penalty goal lol

Well for 70M you would expect a player to score goals and do his job.

With City and Liverpool dropping points, it's good we won

 

[IMMY69]

it was a great win yesterday taking into account the two week international break and three of our players who started returning from Brazil on Thursday...

Also going to and winning at Brentford for a game under the lights when their fans are charged up is not an easy feat.

 

[Mamoon]

Well for 70M you would expect a player to score goals and do his job.

With City and Liverpool dropping points, it's good we won

When Havertz doesn’t do well

“he is awful. The worst signing ever. A clown”

When Havertz does well

“So what, he cost £70m and this is his job”

This is what an agenda-driven and hate-filled fan base looks like. Thankfully the traveling fans yesterday were not cut from the same cloth and have him a lot of support and love which is what he needs at this time.

There is no doubt there is a very good player in him and he will turn things around because he has unwavering faith from the manager, the players and also a significant portion of Arsenal fans who realize that supporting players takes precedence over personal opinions and ego.

Yesterday’s goal was massive and this could be start of his revival. If it proves to be a false down, so what? He won’t be the first player to not make it and won’t be the last. It is the nature of football.

However, as long as he is playing for Arsenal and he is very eager to make it at Arsenal which he clearly is, he should be supported and encouraged.

Unfortunately, no club has as many such fans as Arsenal does but the best thing the club has done over the last 2 years is not let these fans effect the operations of the club otherwise Arteta and Edu would have been sacked by now.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Wolverhampton Wanderers want Arsenal's England goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale, 27, on loan in January with an obligation to buy in the summer.

 

[Amjid Javed]

it was a great win yesterday taking into account the two week international break and three of our players who started returning from Brazil on Thursday...

Also going to and winning at Brentford for a game under the lights when their fans are charged up is not an easy feat.

3 points was a must, but away game performances have to improve though. We go to villa Park and Anfield next month and will need to play a lot better.

 

[MK7Z]

Go the Job done. The closest they came were from Ramsdales mistakes.

Glad Havertz scored. He needs to kick on.

People gassing up Zinchenko defensive display because he cleared the ball off the line. Please use your eyes and brain, he caused the who situation himself prior by dilly dallying on the ball as though he is Ronadinho.

Good defensive display against a team who was very well organised defensively themselves.

One thing to note trossard when in midfield wasn't strong enough. Got muscled off the ball a few times. He is not the solution. We need to find one in midfield. Mo Elnenny or Jorg might need to cover until January.

Eddie came on and was toothless. The one time we got in behind he pee rolled it to the keeper.

Champs league next to guarantee top spot with a win or even without depending on the other result. With the schedule as it is, the ideal situation is to rest the main players, use them if need get top spot and then can send weakened team to PSV which frees up that particular week leading up to the festive period.

 

[MK7Z]

I dont know if it was mentioned in any other thread so apologies.

What did folks think of the disallowed goal for the push on Allison, between City and Pool?

More of a push than Joelintons? or just the exact point we have been harping on about the lack of consistency and as AJ said numerous times, the same thing will be given the following week.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I dont know if it was mentioned in any other thread so apologies.

What did folks think of the disallowed goal for the push on Allison, between City and Pool?

More of a push than Joelintons? or just the exact point we have been harping on about the lack of consistency and as AJ said numerous times, the same thing will be given the following week.

I thought it was very soft, goal should have stood however on the subject of VAR it was the on field referee that gave the foul, so I can understand why VAR didn't intervene as they don't consider it a clear and obvious mistake

Inconsistency will always be there though, it's naive to expect that to be eradicated and even when we talk about inconsistency we are talking about it from each of our own perspective.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I thought it was very soft, goal should have stood however on the subject of VAR it was the on field referee that gave the foul, so I can understand why VAR didn't intervene as they don't consider it a clear and obvious mistake

Inconsistency will always be there though, it's naive to expect that to be eradicated and even when we talk about inconsistency we are talking about it from each of our own perspective.

So basically referees have different interpretations of what a "push" is, which goes back to my whole point about all this threshold nonsense they use on so called "fouls"

The "clear and obvious" is just an "statement" they will always hide behind

 

[Amjid Javed]

I dont know if it was mentioned in any other thread so apologies.

What did folks think of the disallowed goal for the push on Allison, between City and Pool?

More of a push than Joelintons? or just the exact point we have been harping on about the lack of consistency and as AJ said numerous times, the same thing will be given the following week.

You can WWE clothesline some players in games and VAR won't look at the incident. Depends what team the person who makes the foul plays for

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

So basically referees have different interpretations of what a "push" is, which goes back to my whole point about all this threshold nonsense they use on so called "fouls"

The "clear and obvious" is just an "statement" they will always hide behind

The guidance of what a "push" is will be the same but this isn't an exact science so of course you can show the same incident to multiple referees and you'll get a mixed response.

Again, I'm not sure why you are expecting perfection on subjective decisions.

Your expectation from referees is unrealistic and will never ever be met, you aren't alone in this as there are a lot of football fans that think this way and the sooner they realise you will never get objective outcomes from referees on subjective decisions the healthier it is.

Just to be clear I'm not saying a person can't be upset at getting decisions go against them or get upset with poor refereeing performances, Wolves as I've mentioned before can feel hard done by but VAR isn't there to agree with each person.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

You can WWE clothesline some players in games and VAR won't look at the incident. Depends what team the person who makes the foul plays for

You can go flying 2 feet off the ground, not get sent off for it, then score a winner 2 games later when you should have been banned. Depends what team the person who makes the foul plays for

 

[Amjid Javed]

You can go flying 2 feet off the ground, not get sent off for it, then score a winner 2 games later when you should have been banned. Depends what team the person who makes the foul plays for

Joelinton should be main eventing at the Royal rumble or wrestlemania rather then trying to be a PL footballer

 

[MK7Z]

You can go flying 2 feet off the ground, not get sent off for it, then score a winner 2 games later when you should have been banned. Depends what team the person who makes the foul plays for

Excellent point. This is the reason decisions like this have a bigger impact than just the game it happens in.

This is why I think referee's have to be braver when called to the screen. They always overturn when called to the screen. What should happen is they are called to the screen and actually make a decision. I am not explaining myself very well here.

So I have seen in a UCL or was it some other European league when the ref was called to the monitor and stuck to his original decision. There should more of that and vice versa. I know it goes back to clear and obvious but that is subjective and will always bring up times when both arguments can be valid. I know then it goes back to VAR not being there to re-referee games but I just think refs have to be braver and not rely on VAR " clear and obvious" to bail them out.

Hope this makes sense. Bottom line is, our referee's are amongst the poorest and most arrogant. I mean make a mistake and you get a weekend off lol.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Joelinton should be main eventing at the Royal rumble or wrestlemania rather then trying to be a PL footballer

Considering you grew up supporting an Arsenal side with some of the toughest and nastiest players I'm surprised you are bothered by someone like Joelinton

 

[topspin]

Considering you grew up supporting an Arsenal side with some of the toughest and nastiest players I'm surprised you are bothered by someone like Joelinton

Joelinton got a red card for Brazil last week. Eddie Howe making him play rough.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Considering you grew up supporting an Arsenal side with some of the toughest and nastiest players I'm surprised you are bothered by someone like Joelinton

Back then it was proper football and yes you could he physically and tackle hard, I wish game was like that now.

But huge difference when players are using elbows / forearms and closelines like its WWE.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Joelinton got a red card for Brazil last week. Eddie Howe making him play rough.

Did you see the red card? Was a joke decision (not sure if they had VAR in that match)

Also, the Brazil-Argentina games are always like WWE matches, it brings out the worst in players

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Back then it was proper football and yes you could he physically and tackle hard, I wish game was like that now.

But huge difference when players are using elbows / forearms and closelines like its WWE.

It was one incident, already accepted Bruno should have been sent off but you are going on about it like it's a regular occurrence

 

[topspin]

Did you see the red card? Was a joke decision (not sure if they had VAR in that match)

Also, the Brazil-Argentina games are always like WWE matches, it brings out the worst in players

I know, I'm just bantering with you. It was an awful decision.

 

[MK7Z]

Did you see the red card? Was a joke decision (not sure if they had VAR in that match)

Also, the Brazil-Argentina games are always like WWE matches, it brings out the worst in players

It was a subjective decision and was not a clear and obvious error to be overturned .

On a serious note I didnt even see it.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It was a subjective decision and was not a clear and obvious error to be overturned .

On a serious note I didnt even see it.

Haha, even AJ who hates Joelinton would admit it should not have been a sending off

I'm actually happy he got sent off, means he doesn't travel for the next set of games

 

[Amjid Javed]

Haha, even AJ who hates Joelinton would admit it should not have been a sending off

I'm actually happy he got sent off, means he doesn't travel for the next set of games

Every international break is a waste of time. I don't watch any of the games when the breaks happen. Not seen the games or incidents mentioned.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Excellent point. This is the reason decisions like this have a bigger impact than just the game it happens in.

This is why I think referee's have to be braver when called to the screen. They always overturn when called to the screen. What should happen is they are called to the screen and actually make a decision. I am not explaining myself very well here.

So I have seen in a UCL or was it some other European league when the ref was called to the monitor and stuck to his original decision. There should more of that and vice versa. I know it goes back to clear and obvious but that is subjective and will always bring up times when both arguments can be valid. I know then it goes back to VAR not being there to re-referee games but I just think refs have to be braver and not rely on VAR " clear and obvious" to bail them out.

Hope this makes sense. Bottom line is, our referee's are amongst the poorest and most arrogant. I mean make a mistake and you get a weekend off lol.

Thought I replied to this earlier but turns out I forgot to hit reply

I actually agree with this, whenever a referee gets called to the screen it pretty much signals the decision will get overturned

I think since VAR has been introduced in the Premier League I can only think of 2 occasions where a referee has been sent to the monitor and he's stuck with his decision, Michael Oliver was one and not sure who the other was

Although, with increasing the bar around clear and obvious I think referees are being sent to the monitor less (No idea if the stats show this but it certainly feels that way)

 

[aayan]

or I did niether watched any game past two months

 

[MenInG]

Arsenal attacker Leandro Trossard on being a two-footed player:

"I have been practicing all my life - it’s so hard to defend against when you are both-footed. I realised at 16/17 that I had to be even better on it to up my game.

"From the age of seven or eight, when I started playing football, my grandad said you need both. That’s why I am so comfortable on both."

On wanting more starts: "Everyone wants a run in the team obviously. Doesn’t matter if it's in different positions. It’s up to me to show up in every single game and also on the training pitch."

BBC

 

[Firebat]

Arteta is clearly scarred by the end of last season, and over the summer the coaches have decided to make compactness the first priority, especially when you have a superior defensive player in Rice compared to Partey. Now after 11 games we've conceded the least goals and least shots on target in the league.

The problem is that the attacking output has regressed since last year. I don't think it's a tactical thing, I think these players are all just down on the levels they had set. Odegaard especially, as well as Saka, Martinelli, Jesus etc have started very slowly. Hopefully they can click into gear soon and we can peak at the right time this year, because scrapping wins this way is not sustainable.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Vieira, ESR, Partey all injured and out for a while. The so called "squad depth" will be tested in a busy December

 

[IMMY69]

and Havertz scores again

 

[Amjid Javed]

2-0 jesus, should be hammering europa league standard teams like this

 

[Amjid Javed]

4-0 Martinelli

7-0 is Arsenal's biggest European win

 

[Amjid Javed]

Copenhagen / Napoli / inter / lazio / PSG / leipzig / Porto are teams sat 2nd in respective groups at moment, so all possible opponents if Arsenal win group

 

[Amjid Javed]

5-0 ozil-gaard

 

[Rana]

Mercedes s class Havertz

Beautiful player to watch when on song

 

[Amjid Javed]

Team should have been ruthless in this half and been 10-0 instead of still 5

 

[hassan918]

Arsenal have qualified for the knockout stages of the Champions League after their big 6-0 win against Lens. They are sitting pretty top of the Group B with 12 points in 5 games.

 

[topspin]

Wow you're actually doing bhangra over a goal like that? The defending and goalkeeping was absolutely atrocious. I give him full credit for the goal he scored against Brentford but this is a new low from me but this is expected given your special appetite for mediocrity.

Martinelli also scored but unlike the bum you cheerlead, he has a proven track record of goal scoring and performing at the highest level.

You know what's funny, you went quiet after his man of the match display in the last Champions League game against Sevilla. His performance was so good, that he helped break a Champions League record. Sevilla's right back Juanlu Sanchez was dribbled past eight times by Martinelli, more than any other defender in any Champions League game in the last eight years.

It was so satisfying seeing the Brazilian leave egg on your face. As I've said before you have a special appetite for mediocrity, whether it be Havertz or Imam-ul-Haq. You're the type of guy who would buy Havertz's branded turd and consume it.

 

[topspin]

Keep going. You’re showing your level here.

I tell you what let’s make a bet.

If Havertz fails for Arsenal this season, you won’t make any posts in any Arsenal/football related threads next season, so effectively a one year ban.

If Havertz has a good season for Arsenal, then I’ll be the one banned from making any posts on the same threads during the 24/25 season.

If it’s not clear and obvious we can mark it down as an average season, we’ll call it a stalemate and no one loses out.

To give you a head start, I’ll discount Havertz’s performances before today’s date.

Enough of the trolling, let’s see if you have any real conviction to actually believe in what you’ve been posting.

Also @Mamoon let's see if you really stand by your views and have any real conviction in what you think, I'm giving you another chance to take this up.

Remember I'm making this offer to you after Havertz's 2 x goals in consecutive games i.e. his best period so far this season. However, I stand by that this guy will fail for Arsenal.

I'll give you a head start, we can start counting onwards from the Brentford game.

 

[Mamoon]

Arteta critics exposed again.

Top of the league, top of UCL group. Not too shabby for a team that is “not playing well” and is being led by a “clueless fraud”.

Best young manager in the world.

 

[Firebat]

Martinelli, Jesus, Saka, Odegaard, Havertz is probably Arteta's preferred front 5, and this is the first time they've actually been able to play together all season.

 

[Firebat]

Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta to TNT Sports:

"We had the chance to qualify, to be top of the group and I think we've done it in a beautiful way.

"It has to be [one of the best first-half performances he's seen], when you score five goals in the first half in the Champions League against a really good side, the boys deserve the credit, they were really good.

"You can become really sloppy and there were parts in the second half when you start to see different behaviours but the team stayed really focused. We haven't conceded a goal in the Champions League at home so it's good, good stats.

"We used the spaces really well, we were really efficient and scored some wonderful goals."

Arsenal's Gabriel Jesus to TNT Sports:

"From the start we were amazing. We go full gas.

"The team performance was top - now we have to keep going because on Saturday we have another big one.

"Playing at home, our fans' support is always amazing and they push us. Qualifying first is important, so congratulations to the whole team."

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta critics exposed again.

Top of the league, top of UCL group. Not too shabby for a team that is “not playing well” and is being led by a “clueless fraud”.

Best young manager in the world.

Last season top of PL 90% of season, top of europa league group.

Oh it's in the bag

End result - trophyless season

We're in November and your already wetting urself

Best young bottle job manager In world football

Let's see where Club is in June when all trophies have been decided and your wiping more egg off your face

 

[IMMY69]

Whether you like Arteta or not one thing is for sure, the team has progressed immeasurably...

Also to put it into context, we've lost just three competitive games so far in this season and only one in the premier league and one in the CL...

Add the injury list into the mix and I think you'd have to be crazy not to be enjoying yourself as an Arsenal fan...

 

[Amjid Javed]

Whether you like Arteta or not one thing is for sure, the team has progressed immeasurably...

Also to put it into context, we've lost just three competitive games so far in this season and only one in the premier league and one in the CL...

Add the injury list into the mix and I think you'd have to be crazy not to be enjoying yourself as an Arsenal fan...

It's a decent start to season, but once again a certain poster is shooting their load and getting over excited again. We are at end of Nov, spurs fans were thinking they were in a title race a few games ago.

Title race begins end of march. So yeah people should be happy with solid start but getting carried away is stupid.

But all this best young manager, he's on a par with klopp n Pep, shows a certain on here hasn't learnt his lesson.

Arsenal's title collapse last season, followed by his beloved India bottling yet another ICC tournament, their is going to be a egg shortage soon with amount of eggs he's wiping off his face.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'm regard to CL, a lot of the 2nd place finishes in other groups are still up in air

Inter vs sociedad
Athletico vs lazio
Shaktar vs porto
Dortmund vs PSG

In last round of games, so there are some tricky teams which will finish 2nd.

Arsenal have already been embarrassed by olympiakos, villareal and sporting Lisbon under Arteta.

So all this bhangra over winning a weak CL group, which the club was expected to win, is hilarious from a certain

 

[Amjid Javed]

Also @Mamoon let's see if you really stand by your views and have any real conviction in what you think, I'm giving you another chance to take this up.

Remember I'm making this offer to you after Havertz's 2 x goals in consecutive games i.e. his best period so far this season. However, I stand by that this guy will fail for Arsenal.

I'll give you a head start, we can start counting onwards from the Brentford game.

He's a coward, he won't agree to such a thing.

All he does is make statements like

"Arteta is best young manager"

"Havertz is Germany greatest player of all time"

"Title is in the bag"

"Imam is greatest Pakistan player ever"

"Current Indian team is greatest in history of game"

All of this nonsense and once he's wrong again he will run off and hide or change the subject

 

[Mamoon]

I'm regard to CL, a lot of the 2nd place finishes in other groups are still up in air

Inter vs sociedad
Athletico vs lazio
Shaktar vs porto
Dortmund vs PSG

In last round of games, so there are some tricky teams which will finish 2nd.

Arsenal have already been embarrassed by olympiakos, villareal and sporting Lisbon under Arteta.

So all this bhangra over winning a weak CL group, which the club was expected to win, is hilarious from a certain

I know you are praying hard for Arsenal to lose in the R16 so that you can blow your trumpet and celebrate, but no team would want to play Arsenal.

Arsenal’s defensive solidity is something else this season. Every team is going to fear Arsenal.

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed @topspin

How much does this hurt?

 

[Amjid Javed]

I know you are praying hard for Arsenal to lose in the R16 so that you can blow your trumpet and celebrate, but no team would want to play Arsenal.

Arsenal’s defensive solidity is something else this season. Every team is going to fear Arsenal.

yeah Real, man city and Bayern are quaking in their boots over a europa league bottle job team.

Fraudeta got exposed by olmpiakos, villareal (Emery schooling fraudeta) and sporting Lisbon.

No one is scared of Arsenal in Europe.

Tactically inept manager who has been exposed in Europe in knock out games again and again.

You need a tactical astute manager like George Graham to do well in Europe, not an over hyped cone distributor.

Keep up the Arteta meat-riding.

Spanish brendon rogers

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed @topspin

How much does this hurt?

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Oh wow, give him the balon dor.

He scored a goal against French farmers and cab drivers.

He's better then Messi, haaland and mbappe

Keep up the mediocrity twerking.

Headless chicken Martinelli scored as well last night, oh wait I forgot you only meat-ride mediocre players n managers

 

[MK7Z]

Great result.

Took the foot off the pedal in 2nd half similar to what Man City do. Was a training exercise in the end.

We are more fluid in UCL as teams park the bus less.

Done what was asked at this stage, topped the group with a game to go which means the PSV game most of main players can rest during what is a packed December.

I have a question. It will be difficult and probably unlikely cos of Man City BUT if Arsenal win one of the big 2 trophies will the folks here stop calling Arteta and Odegaard names?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Great result.

Took the foot off the pedal in 2nd half similar to what Man City do. Was a training exercise in the end.

We are more fluid in UCL as teams park the bus less.

Done what was asked at this stage, topped the group with a game to go which means the PSV game most of main players can rest during what is a packed December.

I have a question. It will be difficult and probably unlikely cos of Man City BUT if Arsenal win one of the big 2 trophies will the folks here stop calling Arteta and Odegaard names?

If Arteta wins the League or CL then anyone that has overly criticised him will have egg on their faces

As an outside neutral observer (I say neutral, I don't like the way he behaves, same as Klopp) Arteta has done a very good job, had Arsenal in a title race last season, I know people will focus on the way they bottled it but surely he gets credit for getting Arsenal in that position in the first place. And now it's clear they are in a title race again, the experience of last season should help them be better equipped this time.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Arteta wins the League or CL then anyone that has overly criticised him will have egg on their faces

As an outside neutral observer (I say neutral, I don't like the way he behaves, same as Klopp) Arteta has done a very good job, had Arsenal in a title race last season, I know people will focus on the way they bottled it but surely he gets credit for getting Arsenal in that position in the first place. And now it's clear they are in a title race again, the experience of last season should help them be better equipped this time.

Reality time!

Eddie howe has turned Newcastle around quicker then Arteta.

Eddie howe took over a relegation threatened Newcastle in disarray, broken dressing room etc.. and got your lot into CL inside 18 months.

Arteta in under 3 weeks will have been in charge for 4 years, all he has to show for it is an FA Cup. People over hype this good job nonsense, if your lucky enough to be in charge at a big club for 4 years, going towards 4 season then you need to deliver.

He's bottled a EL semi final, top 4 race and a PL title. That's on a par with brendon Rogers.

That's a fact. So he deserves all the criticism he has got.

If he ends this season trophyless as well that's 4 seasons in a row. That ain't a good job.

Every Arteta fan boy is hiding behind this phase 1, 2,3, 4 etc.. nonsense just so failure can be justified


Eddie howe and unai Emery (villa) have turned clubs in worst states then Arsenal around quicker. Yet Arsenal have needed 4 years to "rebuild' absolute bottle job excuse from fan boys like mamoon and a few others

Time to deliver! Simple as that.

When uve Grown up GG and Arsene wenger. "So called good job" right now is average at best.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Great result.

Took the foot off the pedal in 2nd half similar to what Man City do. Was a training exercise in the end.

We are more fluid in UCL as teams park the bus less.

Done what was asked at this stage, topped the group with a game to go which means the PSV game most of main players can rest during what is a packed December.

I have a question. It will be difficult and probably unlikely cos of Man City BUT if Arsenal win one of the big 2 trophies will the folks here stop calling Arteta and Odegaard names?

We have won a easy CL group with europa league standard teams. When the draw was done, everyone said it was an easy group.

We will see if lessons from europa league humilations has been learnt when we play knock out games. This is a manager who has thrown 14 cups away since winning the FA Cup.

If manager does win PL or CL well done. If season ends trophyless, 4th in a row he needs to be sacked and he can go manage Rangers , as that's about his level

 

[Iqbal'sh]

What appears to be almost undeniable now is that under Arteta trusting in the process is not simply a shallow phrase that’s meant to keep the fan base in sync or to buy the current regime time.
Pretty much every metric bares out the continued improvement from when Arteta took over.
Yes trophy winning achievements are scarce and there will still be huge question marks over how the team deal with crunch situations in the Spring however as fans we can and should applaud the management for the upward trajectory.

 

[MK7Z]

Would you not compare Arteta's Job at Arsenal to what Klopp did at Liverpool?

Correct me if I am wrong. Joined 2015 and won his 1st UCL in 2019 and 1st League title 2020. A proper rebuild.

I am not going to count 2nd place or runners up to UCL as by logic that is used, thats "bottling it".

So Klopp in his 8th Year has 1 PL and 1 UCL a FA Cup and League cup.

I am not going to include the Super cups and world club cups at this moment as those are exclusive and a different conversation.

Point I am making is that Klopp is lauded as amazing etc etc by most football fans but has 2 MAJOR majors to show for it + 2 domestic cups. Arteta has 1 and I must say now needs to do better but still has time to match Klopp with the Major honours but fans seem to dismiss him already.

I would like to say that Arteta has to deliver something this season mainly because he has blown 60m+ on Havertz which could have been spent more wisely. Now is the time.

I am not a Arteta fan boy nor do I think he is rubbish. I am an Arsenal fan and I will back the manager unless it turns to disaster like it did with Wenger and Emery. At this moment in time lifes good as an Arsenal fan.

Enjoy the ride

I'd have Arteta over Eddie Howe and Emery.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Would you not compare Arteta's Job at Arsenal to what Klopp did at Liverpool?

Correct me if I am wrong. Joined 2015 and won his 1st UCL in 2019 and 1st League title 2020. A proper rebuild.

I am not going to count 2nd place or runners up to UCL as by logic that is used, thats "bottling it".

So Klopp in his 8th Year has 1 PL and 1 UCL a FA Cup and League cup.

I am not going to include the Super cups and world club cups at this moment as those are exclusive and a different conversation.

Point I am making is that Klopp is lauded as amazing etc etc by most football fans but has 2 MAJOR majors to show for it + 2 domestic cups. Arteta has 1 and I must say now needs to do better but still has time to match Klopp with the Major honours but fans seem to dismiss him already.

I would like to say that Arteta has to deliver something this season mainly because he has blown 60m+ on Havertz which could have been spent more wisely. Now is the time.

I am not a Arteta fan boy nor do I think he is rubbish. I am an Arsenal fan and I will back the manager unless it turns to disaster like it did with Wenger and Emery. At this moment in time lifes good as an Arsenal fan.

Enjoy the ride

I'd have Arteta over Eddie Howe and Emery.

Wow comparing Arteta to klopp

Klopp got Liverpool back in the CL in his 1st full season.

Arteta took Arsenal out of European football for 1st time in 20 years, in his 1st full season.

Liverpool bottled one PL title where they threw a lead away after Xmas.

Arteta made a dogs dinner out of a EL semi final, bottled top 4 race when it was in Arsenal hands and bottled a PL last season.

Don't forget klopp won the league in Germany. Has won PL, CL, FA cup and league Cup.

Arteta has won the FA.

It's taken Arteta 3 seasons just to make into the CL.

Brendon Rogers has achieved the same as Arteta. Both won an FA Cup, both bottled a PL title, both bottled a top 4 race.

Our fan bases needs to stop getting over excited on zero achievements and comparing it to proven managers

Arteta is the Spanish brendon Rogers. Same failures and exposures as a manager.

 

[MK7Z]

Nobody compared Klopp to Arteta or vice versa. I compared the job they had and how long the rebuild took.

TBH I couldn't care less for top 4 unless you win the thing which liverpool did once. Otherwise its just qualification to a tournament.

Point I was trying to make was would you judge Arteta the same as Klopp at the end of 8 years if he has won a champs league and PL or would your opinion remain the same?

I think he has to deliver this season.

Call it what you want. Klopp has 1xPL and 1xUCL in 8 years out the big ones.

 

[MK7Z]

If we are mentioning league titles in other leagues.

Klopp has a grand total of 2 league titles in 22 years of management. Arteta is in his 4th year of management.

Again not comparing the 2. Stating facts we make judgements on

I will reiterate.. Arteta has to deliver this season

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nobody compared Klopp to Arteta or vice versa. I compared the job they had and how long the rebuild took.

TBH I couldn't care less for top 4 unless you win the thing which liverpool did once. Otherwise its just qualification to a tournament.

Point I was trying to make was would you judge Arteta the same as Klopp at the end of 8 years if he has won a champs league and PL or would your opinion remain the same?

I think he has to deliver this season.

Call it what you want. Klopp has 1xPL and 1xUCL in 8 years out the big ones.

If Arteta has won 1 PL and 1 CL in 8 years and is still in a job at Arsenal it just shows how poor the clubs ambition is and it's a poor return. Klopps 4 trophies in 8 years doesn't look great either.

Liverpool as a club in last few seasons have shown zero ambition thats why they fell away last seasons. If klopp wind nothing this season he should move on.

Cold heart facts are Arsenal have gone 3 seasons without a trophy and a 4th one this season and time to move on.

Most fans getting gassed up on "progress"

I've seen the club live win the title at Old Trafford over 20 years ago and an FA Cup final in Cardiff few days before that when I've witnessed that live I ain't going to over over hype a nearly man in Arteta.

He's done nothing to show in last 3 seasons that he can handle end of season pressure or European knockout games so a PL and a CL win under him would be a huge shock.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If we are mentioning league titles in other leagues.

Klopp has a grand total of 2 league titles in 22 years of management. Arteta is in his 4th year of management.

Again not comparing the 2. Stating facts we make judgements

I will reiterate.. Arteta has to deliver this season

On your last sentence 100% Agree

Yeah klopps been around the long the comparison is pointless.

That's why I used Rogers vs Arteta as they have same success and failures

 

[MK7Z]

I am also of the age where I have witnessed the good times thats why I dont buy into all this generational hype and recency bias.

I think he deserves credit for getting us to a level to compete with City. But that is not the end goal and we should all strive for the next step which is to win.

He has made a lot of mistakes and really could have been sacked during that torrid run. He didn't, has improved and lifted the standards after they were very low.

I want you singing super Mik Arteta if we win the league!

 

[Firebat]

Martin Odegaard on Arsenal's Champions League hopes: 'Dominant win sends message to Europe'

Martin Odegaard believes Arsenal's dominant 6-0 victory over Lens at the Emirates Stadium sent a message to their Champions League rivals after Mikel Arteta's side eased into the last-16.

The Gunners, who secured passage to the knockout stage on Wednesday evening, topped Group B with a game to spare after they battered their French opponents with six different goalscorers.

Kai Havertz, Gabriel Jesus, Bukayo Saka, Gabriel Martinelli and Odegaard struck in the first half before Jorginho added their sixth from the penalty spot late on.

It was also a win that secured the club's 100th Champions League victory and Odegaard insists the Gunners are constantly striving to produce statement performances.

"Every time we play we want to send a message," said Odegaard.

"Of course, we want to win every time we play and we want to put on performances like this.

"The way we started the game was brilliant. We had complete control of the game with the ball. We played with a really high rhythm and intensity and we were effective in front of goal.

"The last few games we've been really good defensively and we wanted to show even more on the ball and to get some more goals as well.

"We did that and we knew what we were playing for and we saw the motivation and the hunger out there."

Martin Odegaard on Arsenal's Champions League hopes: 'Dominant win sends message to Europe'

Arsenals Martin Odegaard: Every time we play we want to send a message. We want to win every time we play and we want to put on performances like this. | Gunners boss Mikel Arteta: It was a genuine dream. We had a chance to qualify today and weve done it in a really convincing way.

www.skysports.com

 

[Mamoon]

I am also of the age where I have witnessed the good times thats why I dont buy into all this generational hype and recency bias.

I think he deserves credit for getting us to a level to compete with City. But that is not the end goal and we should all strive for the next step which is to win.

He has made a lot of mistakes and really could have been sacked during that torrid run. He didn't, has improved and lifted the standards after they were very low.

I want you singing super Mik Arteta if we win the league!

@Amjid Javed won’t.

He will claim that so what if he won the PL, it was his responsibility after spending millions and getting 4 years.

In other words, criticize him for not winning trophies but don’t appreciate him when he does.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed won’t.

He will claim that so what if he won the PL, it was his responsibility after spending millions and getting 4 years.

In other words, criticize him for not winning trophies but don’t appreciate him when he does.

let's actually see if he can win either 1st. Rather than your usual getting over excited on a manager continually bottling stuff at end of each season.

Credit and praise is earned, just because you have no standards, doesn't mean everyone else is going to bhangra over failure.

 

[MenInG]

Ok @Mamoon and @Amjid Javed

Have been watching posts on this thread for a while and the feedback from other posters is that you 2 have taken over this thread, not to discuss Arsenal but to take shots at each other.

It's fine if you do this once in a while but if every post is like that then this is a problem.

From now on stick to discussing Arsenal without trying to call each other names.

 

[Mamoon]

Ok @Mamoon and @Amjid Javed

Have been watching posts on this thread for a while and the feedback from other posters is that you 2 have taken over this thread, not to discuss Arsenal but to take shots at each other.

It's fine if you do this once in a while but if every post is like that then this is a problem.

From now on stick to discussing Arsenal without trying to call each other names.

Noted.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Reality time!

Eddie howe has turned Newcastle around quicker then Arteta.

Eddie howe took over a relegation threatened Newcastle in disarray, broken dressing room etc.. and got your lot into CL inside 18 months.

Arteta in under 3 weeks will have been in charge for 4 years, all he has to show for it is an FA Cup. People over hype this good job nonsense, if your lucky enough to be in charge at a big club for 4 years, going towards 4 season then you need to deliver.

He's bottled a EL semi final, top 4 race and a PL title. That's on a par with brendon Rogers.

That's a fact. So he deserves all the criticism he has got.

If he ends this season trophyless as well that's 4 seasons in a row. That ain't a good job.

Every Arteta fan boy is hiding behind this phase 1, 2,3, 4 etc.. nonsense just so failure can be justified


Eddie howe and unai Emery (villa) have turned clubs in worst states then Arsenal around quicker. Yet Arsenal have needed 4 years to "rebuild' absolute bottle job excuse from fan boys like mamoon and a few others

Time to deliver! Simple as that.

When uve Grown up GG and Arsene wenger. "So called good job" right now is average at best.

I don't think comparisons with Howe is relevant or even fair, it wasn't a like for like situation

Strangely even though we were in a much lower position, often when you are at rock bottom the transformation you can make can be done much quicker because even small changes yield huge results

Everything about our club prior to October 7th was pathetic, the owners combined with Howe have transformed the club but in a way the club being a shell allowed it to happen at a faster rate

Obviously I have no right to tell you as an Arsenal fan what to think about your manager but as an outside observer I have a simple measure when judging a manager, are Arsenal in a better place right now than when Arteta took over? I think it's a resounding yes, which is why it's fair to say he's done a very good job

His next challenge is to deliver a major trophy and I think if Arsenal stick with him that will come