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He is better than mediocre, generic injury prone Tierney who offers nothing in attack.
To say that Arteta made a mistake by preferring Zinchenko is absolute nonsense.
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Arsenal 3-1 Burnley: Gunners beat Clarets to go second in the Premier League
Arsenal got back to winning ways by seeing off a stubborn Burnley 3-1 at the Emirates Stadium to move level on points with Premier League leaders Manchester City.
The Gunners controversially lost 1-0 at Newcastle United last time out but had no such problems on Saturday afternoon, easing to victory, albeit after being made to work hard for the win.
However, Leandro Trossard's bundled effort on the stroke of half-time finally broke the visitors' brave first-half resistance.
And even though Josh Brownhill's deflected 54th-minute shot brought the Clarets level against the run of play, William Saliba headed the hosts back in front just three minutes and 39 seconds later.
The returning Oleksandr Zinchenko added a spectacular third with 16 minutes to go and despite substitute Fabio Vieira's late red card - which Gunners boss Mikel Arteta later applauded - Arsenal held on for the win that lifts them above north London rivals Tottenham Hotspur and into second in the table, level on points with champions City ahead of their Super Sunday trip to Chelsea.
Struggling Burnley, meanwhile, stay in 19th place after this latest defeat.
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Arsenal got back to winning ways by seeing off a stubborn Burnley 3-1 at the Emirates Stadium to move level on points with Premier League leaders Manchester City.
The Gunners controversially lost 1-0 at Newcastle United last time out but had no such problems on Saturday afternoon, easing to victory, albeit after being made to work hard for the win.
However, Leandro Trossard's bundled effort on the stroke of half-time finally broke the visitors' brave first-half resistance.
And even though Josh Brownhill's deflected 54th-minute shot brought the Clarets level against the run of play, William Saliba headed the hosts back in front just three minutes and 39 seconds later.
The returning Oleksandr Zinchenko added a spectacular third with 16 minutes to go and despite substitute Fabio Vieira's late red card - which Gunners boss Mikel Arteta later applauded - Arsenal held on for the win that lifts them above north London rivals Tottenham Hotspur and into second in the table, level on points with champions City ahead of their Super Sunday trip to Chelsea.
Struggling Burnley, meanwhile, stay in 19th place after this latest defeat.
Arsenal 3-1 Burnley: Gunners beat Clarets to go second in the Premier League
Arsenal got back to winning ways by seeing off a stubborn Burnley 3-1 at the Emirates Stadium to move level on points with Premier League leaders Manchester City.
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You should already know his bhangra for mediocrity. We should be dispatching transfer like sheff utd, Burnley and Luton etc. Yet he's getting carried away as expected
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you do realize that Zinchenko has missed more game time in last 3 seasons than Tierney 
At least get your facts right when calling someone injury prone clown
Zinchenko has been injured 265 days in last 3 seasons (45 games missed)
Tierney has been injured 202 days in last 3 seasons (41 games missed)
Do every one a favour an stop embarrassing urself with yet another pack of lies
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Arsenal in 3rd spot before the Int break.
Liverpool 2nd in a rebuild season.
November and December will be huge . Arsenal have their toughest run coming up , with an away match at Anfield.
I think only 1 out of these two team will be in the title race by the end of the year. It should be Arsenal but I have a feeling LFC and City will pull away by end of December. If Arsenal had a better manager, they would be ahead of LFC.
Liverpool 2nd in a rebuild season.
November and December will be huge . Arsenal have their toughest run coming up , with an away match at Anfield.
I think only 1 out of these two team will be in the title race by the end of the year. It should be Arsenal but I have a feeling LFC and City will pull away by end of December. If Arsenal had a better manager, they would be ahead of LFC.
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You are ahead of us by +1 GD and level on points. Stop exaggerating like 2nd and 3rd place are miles apart
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The context is we had our WORST season for 5 years, finished 5th. Arsenal should have won the league last season.
One would expect Arsenal to be 3-6 points ahead at this stage while LFC are rebuilding. Liverpool will only get better , Arsenal should be at their peak.
Point is, very good start by LFC being only 1 point behind City and level with Arsenal, after 5th last season.
What is your prediction for points difference between Arsenal, City and LFC by end of 31st December?
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I do think as the season progresses we'll see Liverpool closer to City, though Arsenal won't be far off
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VVD is getting back to his best form, was brilliant today again. Gomez is playing his best season so far. Matip is playing well too, along with the new kid Konsa settling in well. The midfield is strong now, along with the most lethal 5 up front. The only issue is our style of play against the weaker teams who defend with 10 men behind the ball.
Arsenal have some tough games coming up from now until Jan before the transfer window. They want Toney in January, if a few points behind City, with Toney it could be keep them in the race until May. I think Arsenal like Newcastle cannot afford injuries, the squad is too thin.
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Arsenal will finish above Liverpool just like last season, although the gap might not be a million points this time.
Klopp has won a single PL in spite of having phenomenal players in all areas of the pitch since 2019. He doesn’t get enough criticism.
It is time for Liverpool to look for fresh ideas. Klopp hasn’t got what it takes to knock Pep of its perch. Arsenal remain the most likely team to stop him from winning another league title.
Liverpool’s core is at the end of its peak while Arsenal’s core is just warming up. Arsenal will remain City’s main rival for the next few years.
Arsenal will finish above Liverpool just like last season, although the gap might not be a million points this time.
Klopp has won a single PL in spite of having phenomenal players in all areas of the pitch since 2019. He doesn’t get enough criticism.
It is time for Liverpool to look for fresh ideas. Klopp hasn’t got what it takes to knock Pep of its perch. Arsenal remain the most likely team to stop him from winning another league title.
Liverpool’s core is at the end of its peak while Arsenal’s core is just warming up. Arsenal will remain City’s main rival for the next few years.
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1. Agreed you had an off-season and we bottled the league.
2. No this is not a Liverpool "rebuild" the vast Majority core players, spine of your team is still there. You are simply overhauling your midfield in one transfer window, because klopp neglected doing it over last 2 seasons. Every sensible football fan could see once you had a functional midfield again you would be back compering. Also the league table now is irrelevant, it's just about staying in the pack until later in season.
3. Your drop off was because you midfield had no legs, no fitness and players past their sell by date. This was for no other reason then that.
4. Couldn't care less what points difference is at xmas time, the title race begins like any season at end of march / start of April.
Right now city need to improve their poor away form.
Liverpool need a DM and a CB
Arsenal need another midfielder and a striker.
Right not even a team like villa are looking dangerous.
I said this at start of the season, go look at City's, Liverpool and Arsenal's last 9 games of this season. On paper city have easiest run in. So unless any other team has a huge points lead at end of march then it will be difficult to stop City again
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Liverpool fans getting gassed as usual. We will see what you are made of when you face City after the international break.
Not sure where the confidence comes from if you break down some of the results. Late equaliser vs Luton? Great late comeback vs Newcastle a game should have lost but fair play.
Got played off the park vs Wolves but quality shun through. Dont get me wrong Liverpool look OK but sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the games. I am sure Bournemouth played well against them to.
You have Salah.... forget the rest. He is your match winner. The rest of the so called front 5 are not what they are being made out to be.
Anyway back to Arsenal with it being an Arsenal thread. Typical of pool to make it about them as always
Decent win. As expected. Wanted a clean sheet.
Good to see Trossard perform when starting a game.
Hopefully players come back healthy after the break and Odegaard can replace Jorg/Havertz and Jesus being back will be massive.
Got some decent fixtures coming up before Anfield, except Villa who look good. So good time to rack up the points going into January and then Get the striker and midfielder we need.
Champs league as group winners is likely so that'll help.
Not sure where the confidence comes from if you break down some of the results. Late equaliser vs Luton? Great late comeback vs Newcastle a game should have lost but fair play.
Got played off the park vs Wolves but quality shun through. Dont get me wrong Liverpool look OK but sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the games. I am sure Bournemouth played well against them to.
You have Salah.... forget the rest. He is your match winner. The rest of the so called front 5 are not what they are being made out to be.
Anyway back to Arsenal with it being an Arsenal thread. Typical of pool to make it about them as always
Decent win. As expected. Wanted a clean sheet.
Good to see Trossard perform when starting a game.
Hopefully players come back healthy after the break and Odegaard can replace Jorg/Havertz and Jesus being back will be massive.
Got some decent fixtures coming up before Anfield, except Villa who look good. So good time to rack up the points going into January and then Get the striker and midfielder we need.
Champs league as group winners is likely so that'll help.
Football is ruthless, I love Ramsdale but it is what it is
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Ramsdale shooting himself in the foot with the Ian Wright interview.
Yet another goal keeping mess created by fraudeta, but ramsdale here as made it worse
Yet another goal keeping mess created by fraudeta, but ramsdale here as made it worse
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Raya has made more blunders and has looked far less convincing in the 12 x appearances he's made for Arsenal this season than Ramsdale's entire 22/23 season.
The only thing I've liked more about Raya is his ball distribution.
What is it going to take for Arteta to bench Raya? When is he going to learn?
Arteta needs to lose his ego and accept that both Raya and Havertz are not good enough to be starting for Arsenal.
Selling Ramsdale would be a grave mistake.
The only thing I've liked more about Raya is his ball distribution.
What is it going to take for Arteta to bench Raya? When is he going to learn?
Arteta needs to lose his ego and accept that both Raya and Havertz are not good enough to be starting for Arsenal.
Selling Ramsdale would be a grave mistake.
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Mic'd Up: Hear Anthony Gordon goal against Arsenal VAR checks in full! | 'The process was correct'
Listen to the full four minute VAR check of Anthony Gordon's controversial goal for Newcastle against Arsenal, with PGMOL chief Howard Webb discussing the process of awarding the goal.
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The actual audio, shows it was a far more logical check and not the made up quotes posted previously
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Bro that interview was from last season, it is not new.
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Mic'd Up: Hear Anthony Gordon goal against Arsenal VAR checks in full! | 'The process was correct'
Listen to the full four minute VAR check of Anthony Gordon's controversial goal for Newcastle against Arsenal, with PGMOL chief Howard Webb discussing the process of awarding the goal.www.skysports.com
The actual audio, shows it was a far more logical check and not the made up quotes posted previously
Howard webbs pathetic excuse on "could" or "maybe" a foul summed up how pathetically things get swept under the carpet, along with his "threshold" nonsense
The whole "clear and obvious" is nothing more then an easy stipulation to hide behind.
We saka penalised at weekend for a so called "push"
Either uve pushed a player or you haven't, the utter useless he came up with saying their is thresholds is nothing more then refs doing as they please.
How can you measure what's a push and not, in a game.
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Please elaborate...which part of the previous quotes were not said in the video released?Mic'd Up: Hear Anthony Gordon goal against Arsenal VAR checks in full! | 'The process was correct'
Listen to the full four minute VAR check of Anthony Gordon's controversial goal for Newcastle against Arsenal, with PGMOL chief Howard Webb discussing the process of awarding the goal.www.skysports.com
The actual audio, shows it was a far more logical check and not the made up quotes posted previously
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Something an under 10's Sunday league player would write.
Liverpool are in decline and Arsenal are in the best form/team for the last 20 years but after 12 matches, Liverpool are above in the table.
Klopp has won the Champions League, reached another 2 finals. He's only been at the club for 8 years. Arsenal in their 100 year history have never won the CL.
Arteta has a chance to win another FA cup, nothing else.
If he fails to win the league this season, after so much spending, he should be sacked and go back to being assistant to Pep. Learn another few years and come back to spend another few hundred million at Arsenal, he may win the title then.
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Liverpool are “above” Arsenal due to a +1 GD which means absolutely nothing. Please sit down.Something an under 10's Sunday league player would write.
Liverpool are in decline and Arsenal are in the best form/team for the last 20 years but after 12 matches, Liverpool are above in the table.
Klopp has won the Champions League, reached another 2 finals. He's only been at the club for 8 years. Arsenal in their 100 year history have never won the CL.
Arteta has a chance to win another FA cup, nothing else.
If he fails to win the league this season, after so much spending, he should be sacked and go back to being assistant to Pep. Learn another few years and come back to spend another few hundred million at Arsenal, he may win the title then.
Arsenal is just 1 point behind City in spite of apparently “not playing well” at all so far this season. It seems like rival fans have very lofty expectations from a manager who is apparently “clueless”.
The fact that Liverpool finished a million below Arsenal last season and are level on points with a poorly performing Arsenal this season with players like VVD, Salah, Trent, Alisson and so many others says a lot about where Klopp is standing as a manager right now.
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A million
The lengths you go to thinking Arsenal are the new Barcelona of the 2000s.5th or 2nd makes no difference as Arsenal arent winning the CL. It didnt stop LFC signing new great players, because we are Liverpool.
You are blinded by Arteta love. This team wont get anywhere near winning the league. Its LFC and City who will once again be the main rivals ,as the case for the last 6/7 years.
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AJ had shared the following as a quote from the VAR audio
However the above quote was made up. The actual audio has been released as mentioned and the quote in relation to Joelinton/Gabriel was
"I don't see a specific foul on Gabriel. I see two hands on his back but I don't see anything of a push that warrants him flying forwards like that"
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Liverpool finished 17 points behind Arsenal led by a “rookie” manager while having world class players and former PL and CL winners all over the pitch. What does that say about Klopp?A million
5th or 2nd makes no difference as Arsenal arent winning the CL. It didnt stop LFC signing new great players, because we are Liverpool.
You are blinded by Arteta love. This team wont get anywhere near winning the league. It’s LFC and City who will once again be the main rivals ,as the case for the last 6/7 years.
Liverpool cannot finish below Arsenal for the second consecutive season while claiming that they are still City’s main rivals.
Klopp for all the world class players and winning pedigree at this disposal has not won anything of significance since 2020 and that is a long time ago now.
If I were a Liverpool fan I would be more worried about where Liverpool and Klopp are ahead than what Arsenal and Arteta are doing. Finish above Arsenal this season and then we will talk.
If not, you can keep talking about your past glory under Klopp.
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but they acknowledge 2 hands on his back? Nice of him to give Gabriel a massage mid game then.
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We are not worried because most LFC fans who are at the games have also played football , not just watched on TV thousands of miles away.
The team is in transition, it not the same squad which won the Champions League, Premier League, Both domestic cups.
I will be at Anfield in December when Arsenal arrive. Come along , Ill get you a ticket. You will finally understand football when you are beaten again at Anfield, last season you got lucky.
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2 hands is fine. Its only if the defender is curtailed from jumping its a foul.
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Come on man. Joelinton is a unit. Everyone knows that.
If you somehow think he has not impacted him with force then I respectfully disagree. Anyway not sure why they feel the need to release these audio's during international break. It is obvious its to get viewers along with air time for Howard Webb.
It is what it is. I accept it and move on. Nothing else I can do. Just highlights the incompetence of the referees who hide behind subjective decisions.
Did they release the Bruno audio where the ref says " He has not used his arm as a weapon". Probably not. I wonder why
If you somehow think he has not impacted him with force then I respectfully disagree. Anyway not sure why they feel the need to release these audio's during international break. It is obvious its to get viewers along with air time for Howard Webb.
It is what it is. I accept it and move on. Nothing else I can do. Just highlights the incompetence of the referees who hide behind subjective decisions.
Did they release the Bruno audio where the ref says " He has not used his arm as a weapon". Probably not. I wonder why
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It clearly did stop Gabriel from jumping, why would he fall forwards when, he was in position to head balll away.
Also watch Howard webbs comments where he uses word "subjective" which clearly shows refs are clueless in decisions they make.
We saw similar incidents in CL in napoli where goal was disallowed.
Then again these refs are probably getting paid well for their middle East trips by pay master who are dishing out this pathetic decisions for Newcastle and Man city.
Only the niave brush such things under the carpet. Corruption is everywhere
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English refs are poor, as I stated previously they are overweight, unfit and clearly change their opinions game to game.
THis is the key, such incidents are opinions. If the ref gave the foul, it would be remain a foul. As he didnt, it remained a goal.
Football doesnt have black and white rules when it comes to fouls which are 50/50 challenges, its upto the ref to make his decision.
I can see why Arsenal fans would be upset by this and LFC fans probably would but its not as clear as a blatant onside being given as offside.
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So you mock klopp for not winning anything significant since 2020. Next month will mark 4 years of Arteta as manager at Arsenal, in that he's won 1 FA cup with a supposed toxic and broken team according to fan boys like you.
Anyone would think Fraudeta had won multiple PL titles and CL in 4 years they way you twerking for mediocrity.
As much I hate Liverpool, you trying to belittle klopps record when Arteta has show his nothing more the a bottle job shows you really are clueless. Stop with embarrassing "over hyped statements"
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They didn't release the audio of the Bruno one nor did they release it for the Havertz one
Again, I think you've fallen victim of fake quotes
Not that it matters hugely because I do think Havertz and Bruno should have been sent off
As it happens Howard Webb also agreed that they got those two decisions wrong
As for releasing this? This was something always planned, they've done it once this season already and will be doing it again throughout the season. It's not some conspiracy.
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He stooped forward to head the ball, not because of Joelinton
And the fact he didn't appeal for a foul is something you keep ignoring, if he was pushed he would definitely be telling the referee (the way Rodri told the referee in the Manchester derby)
Are you serious about Howard Webb saying subjective? Come on man, you can't be this clueless. The point he's making is that in theory goal line technology, offsides are factual, personal opinion is irrelevant whereas fouls are subjective, that's not something new
Even the Havertz/Bruno incidents are subjective even though majority would say they are red cards
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why Joelinton hands were where they were?. Reality is you just want people to give credit to Newcastle for the win in a game neither side deserved to win.
We already saka penalised vs burney for same thing Joelinton did. So why don't you explain the difference, because thee is no difference.
Also why would Gabriel stoop forward when he could have stayed up and just headed the ball away. Yet you conviently ignore that.
Why would a defender look to play for a foul when it's easier to clear the ball.
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Klopp became Liverpool manager 8 year and 1 month ago.
Arteta became the Arsenal manager 3 years and 10 months ago.
In 8 years, Klopp has only managed 2 major trophies in spite of Liverpool fans boasting that they have 4-5 players in the world who are the best in their respective positions and they have had those players since 2018-19.
In the next 5 years, I fully expect to win at least two major trophies if not more. By major, I obviously mean PL or/and UCL and not the domestic cups.
If Arteta fails to win a couple of major trophies in the next 5 years, his tenure will not be considered a success, but considering what he has done at Arsenal in the last 18 months or so, it is very obvious that he will.
He is a fantastic manager and Arsenal are very lucky to have him and his disposal.
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Bruno incident is subjective
If you strike someone off the ball in that fashion it's violent conduct. It's a red card offence.
"Subjective"
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Zero trophies at end of this season will mean a 4th season without a trophy and you think Arteta deserves another 5 years
.This isn't Watford or Fulham he's managing a club with zero expectations
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Yes because you were coaching Arsenal when they won the FA Cup in 2020.Zero trophies at end of this season will mean a 4th season without a trophy and you think Arteta deserves another 5 years
This isn't Watford or Fulham he's managing a club with zero expectations
Trophies are a by-product of improvement. They will eventually come. Arsenal and Arteta have not their potential yet but they are very well close.
There were no attainable or acquirable managers over the last few years who would have done a better job at Arsenal than Arteta has.
Without Arteta, Arsenal would still be fighting for a top 6 position rather than fighting for the title. Players like Declan Rice would not be at the club.
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Again you start picking apart klopps recored, yet your defending a Manager who has bottled a EL semi final, top 4 race and title race.
Just shows your standards are in the gutter.
Managers at big clubs are assessed on trophies they win not, not how many times you get over excited doing bhangra.
It's hilarious how both on this forum and cricket forum you call out mediocrity but when it comes to Artetas you conviently and hypcotically ignore your so called "measuring" of others.
Clearly shows how clueless you are when you can't even been consistent with your views.
Arteta Is brendon Rogers level manager.
Both managers won an FA Cup. Both bottled top 4, both bottled a PL title.
I'm sure Arteta can go to rangers and win an SPL as that's his level.
No other managers out there
.Eddie howe took over Newcastle team in bottom half league into CL in 18 months.
Unai Emery has taken villa from bottom half of league to into europe. Now has Villa 3 points off Top league in just over 12 months
It's taken Arteta 3 years and "4 phases" just to make CL
In the entire time Arteta has been at Arsenal, even David moyes has won same number of trophies.
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Yes as if Unai Emery wasn’t sacked by Arsenal and replaced by ArtetaTwerking for mediocrity as usual. Again you start picking apart klopps recored, yet your defending a Manager who has bottled a EL semi final, top 4 race and title race.
Just shows your standards are in the gutter.
Managers at big clubs are assessed on trophies they win not, not how many times you get over excited doing bhangra.
It's hilarious how both on this forum and cricket forum you call out mediocrity but when it comes to Artetas you conviently and hypcotically ignore your so called "measuring" of others.
Clearly shows how clueless you are when you can't even been consistent with your views.
Arteta Is brendon Rogers level manager.
Both managers won an FA Cup. Both bottled top 4, both bottled a PL title.
I'm sure Arteta can go to rangers and win an SPL as that's his level.
No other managers out there
Eddie howe took over Newcastle team in bottom half league into CL in 18 months.
Unai Emery has taken villa from bottom half of league to into europe. Now has Villa 3 points off Top league in just over 12 months
It's taken Arteta 3 years and "4 phases" just to make CL
In the entire time Arteta has been at Arsenal, even David moyes has won same number of trophies.
So yet again your "Arteta fetish" is just nothing more than you being a mediocrity fan boy.
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Again I couldn't care less, we got the 3 points, if Arsenal fans want to say we didn't deserve it I'm not fussed as it doesn't change the outcome.
It's a contact sport, you are allowed to touch other people and Joelinton had his hands there because there was a guy in front of him doing some weird defending
The fact you can't see the difference is worrying. In the Burnley incident the player is in the air and is pushed away, it's not even remotely the same.
I think he stooped because he knew Joelinton was behind him and with Raya in front of him his intention was to flick the ball over and behind him, which is why he starts to bend the knee, stoop forward and still jump up (It's funny how he manages to arch up even though he's "pushed". However this is all pure speculation on my part, you'd have to ask Gabriel why he messed up with his defending?
Who said he was looking to play for a foul? He was wanting to clear the ball but got it wrong, not helped by his keeper missing the ball. Gabriel should have cleared it but poor defending meant he misjudged it.
Despite it being over a week later and numerous posts you keep on ignoring the big point, why does Gabriel not complain to the referee about being "pushed"? If it's as blatant as you make out surely he would be telling the referee about the foul rather than the ball being out which he couldn't be certain about?
Ultimately though, all of the above is irrelevant, my point from the start is that I don't even have an issue with someone thinking it is a foul (It is subjective after all), it's criticising VAR even though it worked perfectly in this scenario and claiming it's some corruption conspiracy that's the issue.
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Bruno incident is subjective
If you strike someone off the ball in that fashion it's violent conduct. It's a red card offence.
"Subjective"
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Brother I suggest rather than looking at the FA Website you check the definition of subjective, you obviously don't understand what it means, especially in the context of football.
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If you think smashing a hand / arm in someone's face off the ball is a "subjective" foul then you really are beyond hope brother
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The fact that some people (I disagree with them) don't think it was a red card proves it's subjectiveIf you think smashing a hand / arm in someone's face off the ball is a "subjective" foul then you really are beyond hope brother
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Same unai Emery who got 70 points in his 1st season at Arsenal. Took Arteta 2.5 seasons to get to that mark in a full season.Yes as if Unai Emery wasn’t sacked by Arsenal and replaced by Arteta
Same unai Emery who took Arteta to school in europa league semi final. Yeah the one where Arteta decided to play a false number for some dumb reason and back fired. Emery won the cup and you and Arteta end up with egg on your face
.Emery has shown at Villa if he gets decent backing and players he wants he can do well.
Like I said Arteta is the Spanish brendon Rogers. Same failures as a manager.
Even David moyes has 1 trophy in last 4 years. Keep up the mediocrity twetking.
Arsenal ain't winning PL or CL under this bottle job loser in charge
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Whether someone agrees or disagree is irrelevant. The laws of the game state it would come under violent conduct.
There is no subjectivity about it.
It was off the ball and dangerous, there is no justification for such actions on the pitch
Please let me know who is saying smacking someone off the ball isn't a red card?
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Go seek counselling as you seem to think Arteta is only manager out there who can do a job.Yes as if Unai Emery wasn’t sacked by Arsenal and replaced by Arteta
Emery and howe have turned clubs around in quicker time then Arteta
Your waiting for "phase 9" at Arsenal
Arteta and manoon doing bhangra after 10th trophyless season in 2028
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The independent panel voted 3 in favour of it being a red card and 2 not in favour. Then based on other fans opinions (various fan channels) there wasn't unanimous agreement it was a red card.
Just like the Romero kick out, I think it should have been a red card but others including the VAR thought otherwise.
This all shows there is subjectivity to it, that will always be the case.
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The independent panel have fk all to with the decision.
What a lame argument. So every decision now is dependant on 5 random so called impartial people putting it to a vote. If 5 people vote one way that's it the correct decision and otherwise its subjective.
Let's deal with the facts and laws of the game. If you strike an opponent off the ball, espciallly in the face it's a red card
There is no subjectivity about it. Its violent conduct.
If can't understand thar basic concept you are lost.
The referees themselves copped out using the threshold nonsense. This is why the Audio was conviently not released.
But guess what someone has leaked the Audio, as expected these refs make things up as they go a long. Feel free to come up some other diversion tactic.
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Not sure why you are getting upset, I suggest you go take a walk, get some fresh air, it should help you calm down. Again, in this clear rage you are entirely missing the point. At no point did I state the independent panel made the decisions, I explained the vote split to demonstrate it is a subjective decision. There is no getting away from that point
Who said any of this? I'm simply saying if you have any incident and there is a split it is by it's very nature a subjective decision. This applies to any incident, even those we call clear cut. For example I thought Rashford was a clear cut red card but there are lots of people that think otherwise.
This is the part you are struggling with. The laws of the game are written in black and white but fouls/penalties/red cards etc etc are subjective in their implementation.
I've literally proven it is subjective. If you want to bury your head in the sand that's your call. I do actually agree it should have been a red card.
You can keep thinking I'm lost if that helps you cope with how refereeing and VAR works.
Again, for some reason you think there is some wild conspiracy. Howard Webb admitted they got that and the Havertz decision wrong. What does hiding the audio prove.
Diverting tactics? What exactly am I diverting from? Lol. You don't even know what point you are trying to make. The reality is the goal stood, the process to check it was correct and was a good use of VAR. They got the Havertz and Bruno red cards wrong. There is no conspiracy against Arsenal, since the first big decision actually went against us.
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The fact that you had to quote the same post twice shows how rattled you are.
Speaking of 2028, Arteta will still be Arsenal manager and you will still be crying.
The fact that you had to quote the same post twice shows how rattled you are.
Speaking of 2028, Arteta will still be Arsenal manager and you will still be crying.
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I never said it was a conspiracy. My point was its more to give air time to Howard Webb when nothing else is on. Dont see the point to release audio weeks after. Serves no purpose. Do it when the situation is in the news. Better still let us hear the refs when it happens similar to other sports.
I can get you the bruno audio if you like? Its not been released but a quick google search will reveal the convo by people who are privy to it.
Again its fine to disagree with the refs decision it makes football what it is. Its the lack of consistency which is frustrating where the same decision the following week will go the other way. They will claim "subjective" but I think it just comes down to the fact they are not very good at their jobs
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The fact that you had to quote the same post twice shows how rattled you are.
Speaking of 2028, Arteta will still be Arsenal manager and you will still be crying.
you will be wiping egg and rotten tomatoes off your face again at end of season
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Referees are just hiding behind the "clear and obvious" stipulation as it's an easy excuse for them to hide behind.
Now on top of that there are "thresholds" on so called fouls.
So you can now have players pushing people in back or smashing some one in face.
Just when you know the referees were already corrupt and inept, they then roll out these excuses.
Your spot on with your comments as well.
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Fair enough, you didn't but I know some Arsenal fans have lost the plot over this decision and I've heard all sorts of absurd things such as refs have been paid by the Saudi's, corruption etc etc
The reason they have done this show (and it's not the first one) is because people asked for it, the demand was for transparency and this is part of it. I do agree with you that it would be much better if all audio was readily available soon after the matches. I would even go further and say they should do it live like they do with other sports
I've heard the audio but we already in agreement it should have been a red card. Even Howard Webb admits they got that wrong, just as Havertz should have been sent off too
I don't disagree about the standards not being great. I don't believe the behaviour of managers helps, Arteta was pathetic the way he reacted, all for a goal that was perfectly legitimate. And all that does is increase the pressure on referees.
Inconsistent refereeing performances is very frustrating but I've been watching football for well over 30 years and it's always been a thing and always will be. I think the problem is people naively thinking VAR will eradicate that, it won't. We can even see with the incidents during this match, there is no absolute consensus so why expect it from referees?
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@Geordie Ahmed you can say uve listened to the Audio. You also say that Webb has admitted that it was a red card.
So what exactly here have the referees got wrong.
In the Audio its says "player has raised, his hand, but he's not used it as a weapon"
So basically the referees in agreement are saying its not a serious foul.
So what exactly is using your arm and body like a weapon then? You think the referees are going to explain this.
Then we here oh it's below the threshold. *** does that even mean.
That you can slap a player off the ball, but depending on how hard or where you slap them tells you whether what ever "imaginary threshold" is dictates the punishment.
This is my point this so called "threshold" and "clear and obvious" stipulation is biggest load of nonsense going.
That's the point your not getting.
Same goes for pushes, shirt pulls etc. One game you see it given, then next you don't again the excuse from referees is a certain "threshold" was or wasn't hit.
It's just a dressed up pathetic footballing version or "umpires call"
That's where fans get angry.
So what exactly here have the referees got wrong.
In the Audio its says "player has raised, his hand, but he's not used it as a weapon"
So basically the referees in agreement are saying its not a serious foul.
So what exactly is using your arm and body like a weapon then? You think the referees are going to explain this.
Then we here oh it's below the threshold. *** does that even mean.
That you can slap a player off the ball, but depending on how hard or where you slap them tells you whether what ever "imaginary threshold" is dictates the punishment.
This is my point this so called "threshold" and "clear and obvious" stipulation is biggest load of nonsense going.
That's the point your not getting.
Same goes for pushes, shirt pulls etc. One game you see it given, then next you don't again the excuse from referees is a certain "threshold" was or wasn't hit.
It's just a dressed up pathetic footballing version or "umpires call"
That's where fans get angry.
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@Amjid Javed I honestly have no idea what your point even is now.
I've said both Bruno and Havertz should have been sent off. Howard Webb says they got both decisions wrong.
I can't justify the decision by the referee or the VAR since I obviously don't agree with it.
I've said both Bruno and Havertz should have been sent off. Howard Webb says they got both decisions wrong.
I can't justify the decision by the referee or the VAR since I obviously don't agree with it.
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So does a particular person who loves to bash Martinelli and his lack of success at the international stage want to mention that he scored last night for Brazil?
Or do we pick and chose to suit or agenda's here?
Or do we pick and chose to suit or agenda's here?
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He picks and chooses what suits his agenda, when he's proven wrong he avoids the question and runs off like a coward
If you look at his posts he makes wild statements without any proof. The fact he doesn't use consistent measures for anything that he posts shows its nothing more then trolling.
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Aaron Ramsdale: Arsenal keeper too good to be a number two, says David Seaman
Aaron Ramsdale "is too good to be a number two" for Arsenal, says former Gunners goalkeeper David Seaman.
Ramsdale has been competing with David Raya since the Brentford keeper's loan move to north London in the summer.
Spain's Raya has been favoured in the Premier League by Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta, making eight appearances to Ramsdale's four.
Ramsdale, 25, was an unused substitute in England's final Euro 2024 qualifier in North Macedonia on Monday.
"If he's not playing [for Arsenal], it's going to affect his [England] chances," Seaman, who has an informal coaching role at the Gunners, told BBC Radio 5 Live.
"Going into next summer, where Aaron is really pushing to become England goalkeeper - he needs to be playing."
England manager Gareth Southgate has said he could not "promise" him a place in the Euro 2024 finals squad if he remained on the bench.
Ramsdale is likely to start against Brentford on Saturday with Premier League rules preventing Raya from playing against his parent club.
"If Aaron goes in at the weekend, then he's left out for the next game, then we know who Mikel's number one is," added Seaman, who won three league titles in 13 years at the Gunners.
"It's not good for Aaron. He's a top-class goalkeeper, there's no doubt about that."
Aaron Ramsdale "is too good to be a number two" for Arsenal, says former Gunners goalkeeper David Seaman.
Ramsdale has been competing with David Raya since the Brentford keeper's loan move to north London in the summer.
Spain's Raya has been favoured in the Premier League by Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta, making eight appearances to Ramsdale's four.
Ramsdale, 25, was an unused substitute in England's final Euro 2024 qualifier in North Macedonia on Monday.
"If he's not playing [for Arsenal], it's going to affect his [England] chances," Seaman, who has an informal coaching role at the Gunners, told BBC Radio 5 Live.
"Going into next summer, where Aaron is really pushing to become England goalkeeper - he needs to be playing."
England manager Gareth Southgate has said he could not "promise" him a place in the Euro 2024 finals squad if he remained on the bench.
Ramsdale is likely to start against Brentford on Saturday with Premier League rules preventing Raya from playing against his parent club.
"If Aaron goes in at the weekend, then he's left out for the next game, then we know who Mikel's number one is," added Seaman, who won three league titles in 13 years at the Gunners.
"It's not good for Aaron. He's a top-class goalkeeper, there's no doubt about that."
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Arsenal captain Martin Ødegaard has returned to training ahead of the club's trip to Brentford on Saturday.
Aaron Ramsdale is expected to make his first league start since early September.
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Aaron Ramsdale: Arsenal goalkeeper set to start against Brentford with David Raya ineligible for Premier League game
Aaron Ramsdale is in line for a return to Arsenal's Premier League starting line-up on Saturday, with David Raya ineligible to face his parent club Brentford.Raya has started every Premier League and Champions League game for the Gunners since the September international break, usurping Ramsdale as Arsenal's No 1 goalkeeper in the process.
Raya is on loan from Brentford - with a view to making the temporary deal permanent next summer for £30m - and Premier League rules state that loan players cannot play against their parent clubs.
As a result the Spaniard is unavailable for Arsenal this weekend, meaning Ramsdale could get his chance to start in goal in the Premier League for the Gunners again on Saturday evening.
Estonian goalkeeper Karl Hein, who has only featured in one competitive game for Arsenal, is the only other first-team goalkeeper available to Arteta.
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Arsenal will reject any approach for Japan defender Takehiro Tomiyasu, 25, with German champions Bayern Munich interested.
Arsenal have also agreed to meet the buy-out clause of on-loan Brentford goalkeeper David Raya, 28, with the Spain international set to become a permanent signing in January for £27m.
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Arteta on Tomiyasu: “I value him a lot and I really want him to stay, he’s gonna be part of our plans”.
“He’s loved and respected by everybody at the club. He’s at the level we need to make an impact on the team”.
“He’s loved and respected by everybody at the club. He’s at the level we need to make an impact on the team”.
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Brentford away next. Will be a tough game but we must win if we are serious. They are well organised and will have to be careful giving away set pieces. I might be wrong but we have only lost the once against them which was the 1st game of the season a couple seasons ago.
The media seem ignore that it's the only time we have lost to them and have beaten them multiple times since then, drew one which was the infamous Ivan Toney equaliser which the offside was missed and Lee Mason got sacked.
So please ignore the narrative because the team that started back then is nothing like the team now yet that game is used in all the Promo for this game. Bizzare. In that team if I remember Balogun started, Chambers Mari Lokonga maybe Pepe and ESR. Anyway I fell into the trap and I talking about that game ha!
Back four picks itself. Ramsdale has to start as Raya can't. Ben White should be back so Tomiyasu at LB is the way to go.
Midfield Odegard Rice and probably Jorg and front 3 of Saka Jesus and Martinelli although the latter 2 travelled back so maybe 1 will start.
Either way our 2nd string team beat them earlier in the season so we should win this game. We MUST as City or Liverpool or both will drop points this weekend. So at worst we should end it in 2nd and at best go top.
Lets do this
The media seem ignore that it's the only time we have lost to them and have beaten them multiple times since then, drew one which was the infamous Ivan Toney equaliser which the offside was missed and Lee Mason got sacked.
So please ignore the narrative because the team that started back then is nothing like the team now yet that game is used in all the Promo for this game. Bizzare. In that team if I remember Balogun started, Chambers Mari Lokonga maybe Pepe and ESR. Anyway I fell into the trap and I talking about that game ha!
Back four picks itself. Ramsdale has to start as Raya can't. Ben White should be back so Tomiyasu at LB is the way to go.
Midfield Odegard Rice and probably Jorg and front 3 of Saka Jesus and Martinelli although the latter 2 travelled back so maybe 1 will start.
Either way our 2nd string team beat them earlier in the season so we should win this game. We MUST as City or Liverpool or both will drop points this weekend. So at worst we should end it in 2nd and at best go top.
Lets do this
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With Liverpool play City and villa playing spurs at weekend, this is a chance for Arsenal to push forward whilst other teams likely to drop points.
Tough game, but one we should be looking to win
Tough game, but one we should be looking to win
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What has Raya done to warrant a permanent move to Arsenal? He's been so poor.
But I guess if we're going to give Havertz a free ride, we may as well give anyone who comes with him the same package.
Shocking decision by Arteta to buy him when he's clearly not good enough to start for Arsenal.
But I guess if we're going to give Havertz a free ride, we may as well give anyone who comes with him the same package.
Shocking decision by Arteta to buy him when he's clearly not good enough to start for Arsenal.
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Probably the deal involved playing a certain number of games maybe. Plus Ramsdale dad whining publicly hasn't helped Ramsdale.
Arteta has messed up most of the signings this summer apart from rice. January wasn't much better apart from trossard
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Brentford away will be a good test for Arsenal.
The Bees have played very well recently but not had the rub of the green in away matches. But at home they have won the last 2 scoring 6 goals and conceding only 2.
However with City playing LFC which could be a draw, a good chance for Arsenal to top the table.
My prediction... 2-2 .
The Bees have played very well recently but not had the rub of the green in away matches. But at home they have won the last 2 scoring 6 goals and conceding only 2.
However with City playing LFC which could be a draw, a good chance for Arsenal to top the table.
My prediction... 2-2 .
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I just hope common sense prevails. Ramsdale needs to come back as permanent number 1.
Raya has been shaky in almost every game he’s played. Even though he’s Arteta’s golden boy, it’s just a matter of time before he’s demoted to his rightful place, on the bench.
What Arsenal should’ve done in the summer is bought Maddison along with Kudus. They were both signed for £40m each. Havertz alone cost Arsenal £65m.
If we had a midfield of Rice, Kudus and Maddison/Odegaard, we would have had a great chance of winning the league this season even without a proven number 9 because there would’ve been enough goals from Saka, Martinelli and Maddison.
Arteta needs to have less powers when it comes to signings. Arsenal should rather rely more on their scouting team. This is the model that Liverpool follow. Not so long ago, I was told by a Liverpool fan that before his team signed Salah, Klopp actually wanted to buy Brandt instead. There’s a reason why Liverpool’s scouts under Klopp’s reign have hardly ever got any of their scouting wrong. The ones I can think of are Oxlaide-Chamberlain and Naby Keita.
Look at Arsenal, wasted £100m on Havertz and Fabio Vieira. They’re not even worth half of that amount.
Arsenal U21s recently played Reading. The only senior team players who featured in that game were Vieira and Nelson who were starters in this game. I was told the latter was good but the Portuguese was awful.
I’m not sure Arteta will be able to deliver a title or a UCL either this season or next season when you’ve got so many areas that need strengthening. That’s the end result of wasting hundreds of millions on dead players.
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Mikel Arteta hopes to call upon captain Martin Odegaard, Gabriel Jesus and Ben White for Arsenal’s trip to Brentford.
The trio were injury doubts ahead of the trip to the Gtech Community Stadium but are now in contention to feature on Saturday.
Arsenal boss Arteta confirmed Odegaard had suffered a concussion on the eve of the 1-0 defeat at Newcastle causing him to miss the Gunners’ last three fixtures.
Striker Gabriel Jesus played 90 minutes for Brazil in a high-octane clash against Argentina on Tuesday evening after recovering from a hamstring injury.
Arteta told reporters on Friday: “He is available. He played 96 mins in a really competitive match. He had a long flight. I have to see the condition.”
Meanwhile Ben White is closing in on his return to action after missing the win over Burnley with a muscle injury.
“Hopefully if he’s able to train today he’ll be in contention, We’ll find out in the next 24 hours,” Arteta said.
The Spaniard confirmed that Aaron Ramsdale will make his first league start since September with David Raya ineligible to face his parent club.
But Arteta will be without Fabio Vieira who will serve the first of his three-match suspension after his red card against Burnley.
Arsenal head to Brentford on Saturday teatime aiming to keep pace with Manchester City and Liverpool who face each other earlier in the day.
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The trio were injury doubts ahead of the trip to the Gtech Community Stadium but are now in contention to feature on Saturday.
Arsenal boss Arteta confirmed Odegaard had suffered a concussion on the eve of the 1-0 defeat at Newcastle causing him to miss the Gunners’ last three fixtures.
Striker Gabriel Jesus played 90 minutes for Brazil in a high-octane clash against Argentina on Tuesday evening after recovering from a hamstring injury.
Arteta told reporters on Friday: “He is available. He played 96 mins in a really competitive match. He had a long flight. I have to see the condition.”
Meanwhile Ben White is closing in on his return to action after missing the win over Burnley with a muscle injury.
“Hopefully if he’s able to train today he’ll be in contention, We’ll find out in the next 24 hours,” Arteta said.
The Spaniard confirmed that Aaron Ramsdale will make his first league start since September with David Raya ineligible to face his parent club.
But Arteta will be without Fabio Vieira who will serve the first of his three-match suspension after his red card against Burnley.
Arsenal head to Brentford on Saturday teatime aiming to keep pace with Manchester City and Liverpool who face each other earlier in the day.
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Manchester City retain their lead at the top of the table by a point, with Liverpool hot on their heels.
It opens the door for Arsenal, who travel to Brentford this evening, knowing victory would take them top by a point.
It opens the door for Arsenal, who travel to Brentford this evening, knowing victory would take them top by a point.
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Arsenal Starting XI against Brendford: Ramsdale; Tomiyasu, Saliba, Gabriel, Zinchenko; Odegaard, Rice, Trossard; Saka, Jesus, Martinelli
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Better line up. Arsenal should win this but Bees will come hard. If only Bees had Ivan Toney.
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Dear Mamoon the Buffoon,
I was very pleased for him, about time he time he contributed for Arsenal, given his £70m price tag.
Unlike you, I don't have an appetite for mediocrity. This is evident by how much you twerk for him and Imam-ul-Haq.
The only Arsenal fan who gets heartburn, when one of their players performs, is you. I just wonder how much pain you've had to endure seeing all those goals from Martinelli.
