Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[Amjid Javed]

From the Audio -


Joelinton was just using his two hands to donkey ride Gabriel

Ex referees view on shambles

 

[Amjid Javed]

The guiameres elbow.

The VAR referee says "he's not used his arm as a weapon"

But didn't even refer it to the screen

These clowns make it up as they go along

 

[IMMY69]

It's now November and I did say several months ago that I would reserve judgment until the transfer window closes and a couple of months into the season...

That time is now.

Timber was a brilliant purchase, I always rated him from the few videos I'd seen of him.... a great Pitty he got injured..

Rice is also a brilliant purchase.
He will be club captain before the start of next season. No more needs to be said about this man.
He is a massive upgrade on Xhaka.

Havitz, what a disaster he's been so poorly and history tells you that it's unlikely he will do any better.
Saturday was the absolute final straw for me. That reckless tackle could have seen him sent off...

He played with more purpose and I suspect this was because he knows everyone is on his back and hopefully the coaching staff too... thie misguided "purpose" probably lead him to make that tackle....
anyway so far he has offered nothing and could go down as one of the worst buys in the history of the club.

I hope I'm wrong but so far it doesn't look that way.

When Odeguard, Partey and ESR are fit no way should Havitz be getting into the line-up..

In fact on Saturday, I was hoping against hope that Arteta took him off and replaced him with Zhivchenko with Tomiyasu playing left back...
Zhivchenko, minus thr left back duties, would be better in midfield then Havitz...

Arteta...
What he's doing to Ramsdale is inexplicable... so is his support for Havitz. The fact that he hasn't strengthened the strikers position is also a big blotch against his name.

Pleating Saka in every game is also a poor decision. He has literally run him to the ground.

Arteta has made some poor decisions and unless he improves his decision making the fans will eventually start to turn on him.

We need Ivan Toney but my fear is that Chelsea need him too and we simply cannot get into a bidding war against them in January...

Until that window, please Traussard upto front and let Nketiah come on as sub...

That's my it from me for now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You need to work on your attempting trolling, take some pointers from mamoon if you are unsure.

The VAR had no clear obvious mistake to overrule. Please understand how VAR works. The Ref waiting for 4 mins could have asked to see the replays but didnt.

But please explain why Arteta a few weeks ago was fully supportive of VAR, officials after the huge offside mistake at Spurs but now is angry when this isnt even clear?

 

[IMMY69]

The VAR had no clear obvious mistake to overrule. Please understand how VAR works. The Ref waiting for 4 mins could have asked to see the replays but didnt.

But please explain why Arteta a few weeks ago was fully supportive of VAR, officials after the huge offside mistake at Spurs but now is angry when this isnt even clear?

I can't speak for Arteta but two hands on the back of Gabriel was a clear foul...
the fact that people say he was crouching down to head the ball backwards becomes slightly irrelevant when that same player is lying flat on his face... also the speed at which he falls tells you that it was clearly from a push...

The hands also on his back could arguable have prevented him from getting his head on the ball.

For me it was a foul whether Gabriel protested or not. Remember it was Gabriel's inability to clear the ball in the first place that resulted in this situation so he could conceivably have been angry at himself for getting us to that situation in the first place.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The VAR had no clear obvious mistake to overrule. Please understand how VAR works. The Ref waiting for 4 mins could have asked to see the replays but didnt.

But please explain why Arteta a few weeks ago was fully supportive of VAR, officials after the huge offside mistake at Spurs but now is angry when this isnt even clear?

It's down to the VAR referee to refer incidents to the wait referee, not the other way round. At least get it right

In regards to your 2nd point, yes Arteta was being a hypocrite and I condem that. After the Liverpool incident, every PL manager / club should have come out and taken a stand against PGMOL and got then to fix things.

The difference between me and anyone else on here. I'm consistent with my views and I dont sugar coat things.

Even when Arsenal have got decisions go their way I've said they were lucky.

I said during palace game the penalty decision we got was soft and didn't look a penalty. I even said the United offside goal which was offside only just was lucky as well.

The standard of PL refereeing is incompetent at best.

Where Arteta has been wrong il call him out

 

[Amjid Javed]

It's now November and I did say several months ago that I would reserve judgment until the transfer window closes and a couple of months into the season...

That time is now.

Timber was a brilliant purchase, I always rated him from the few videos I'd seen of him.... a great Pitty he got injured..

Rice is also a brilliant purchase.
He will be club captain before the start of next season. No more needs to be said about this man.
He is a massive upgrade on Xhaka.

Havitz, what a disaster he's been so poorly and history tells you that it's unlikely he will do any better.
Saturday was the absolute final straw for me. That reckless tackle could have seen him sent off...

He played with more purpose and I suspect this was because he knows everyone is on his back and hopefully the coaching staff too... thie misguided "purpose" probably lead him to make that tackle....
anyway so far he has offered nothing and could go down as one of the worst buys in the history of the club.

I hope I'm wrong but so far it doesn't look that way.

When Odeguard, Partey and ESR are fit no way should Havitz be getting into the line-up..

In fact on Saturday, I was hoping against hope that Arteta took him off and replaced him with Zhivchenko with Tomiyasu playing left back...
Zhivchenko, minus thr left back duties, would be better in midfield then Havitz...

Arteta...
What he's doing to Ramsdale is inexplicable... so is his support for Havitz. The fact that he hasn't strengthened the strikers position is also a big blotch against his name.

Pleating Saka in every game is also a poor decision. He has literally run him to the ground.

Arteta has made some poor decisions and unless he improves his decision making the fans will eventually start to turn on him.

We need Ivan Toney but my fear is that Chelsea need him too and we simply cannot get into a bidding war against them in January...

Until that window, please Traussard upto front and let Nketiah come on as sub...

That's my it from me for now.

Wow finally some reality and honesty, well done.

 

[IMMY69]

Wow finally some reality and honesty, well done.

No mate.
I said I would give it time and I did.

The difference between us is that, It's still not over for Arteta, and as an Arsenal fan I hope he succeeds...how long will he get? That's upto the board and he's clearly been given a long rope... so the reality is that either you hope for success or continue to post negative threads after threads

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal's next 4 game Burnley, Brentford, wolves, Luton. Arsenal need 12 points from 12 before some very tough game in Dec vs villa, brighton and Liverpool

 

[IMMY69]

Arsenal's next 4 game Burnley, Brentford, wolves, Luton. Arsenal need 12 points from 12 before some very tough game in Dec vs villa, brighton and Liverpool

Forget arsenal for tonight.
It's time to get behind Chelsea

 

[KingKhanWC]

I can't speak for Arteta but two hands on the back of Gabriel was a clear foul...
the fact that people say he was crouching down to head the ball backwards becomes slightly irrelevant when that same player is lying flat on his face... also the speed at which he falls tells you that it was clearly from a push...

The hands also on his back could arguable have prevented him from getting his head on the ball.

For me it was a foul whether Gabriel protested or not. Remember it was Gabriel's inability to clear the ball in the first place that resulted in this situation so he could conceivably have been angry at himself for getting us to that situation in the first place.

It looks a foul in slow mo or with a still 2D image but in real time it didnt seem the attacker was actually pushing him down but I agree its arguable.

The problem is when the ref says no, it has to be very obvious for any change.

I just think Arsenal have themselves to blame, they played an avg game. Draw would have been fair imo.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's down to the VAR referee to refer incidents to the wait referee, not the other way round. At least get it right

In regards to your 2nd point, yes Arteta was being a hypocrite and I condem that. After the Liverpool incident, every PL manager / club should have come out and taken a stand against PGMOL and got then to fix things.

The difference between me and anyone else on here. I'm consistent with my views and I dont sugar coat things.

Even when Arsenal have got decisions go their way I've said they were lucky.

I said during palace game the penalty decision we got was soft and didn't look a penalty. I even said the United offside goal which was offside only just was lucky as well.

The standard of PL refereeing is incompetent at best.

Where Arteta has been wrong il call him out

The ref has communication, if the VAR is taking 4 mins, the ref can discuss the reasons why and he has the right to decided to check the monitor if he so wishes. Its rare but they have the right.

I agree the standard of refs and VAR in the PL is very poor. You have overweight, slow old refs who cant even keep with the play. Howard Webb should be fired, he has been enjoying the limelight instead of working hard to ensure the officials are competent.

 

[IMMY69]

It looks a foul in slow mo or with a still 2D image but in real time it didnt seem the attacker was actually pushing him down but I agree its arguable.

The problem is when the ref says no, it has to be very obvious for any change.

I just think Arsenal have themselves to blame, they played an avg game. Draw would have been fair imo.

At the very least the red should have been asked to view it on the monitor.

I agree we were extremely poor in the attacking third but we at least kept possession and looked solid in defence for most parts...
A draw would have been the right result but as we know, two points could be. Racial in the end... whether it's for the title or a top four finish.
It also takes away our momentum and unbeaten record...

Not to mention all my spurs friends who are currently having a field day..

Come on Chelsea

 

[Amjid Javed]

No mate.
I said I would give it time and I did.

The difference between us is that, It's still not over for Arteta, and as an Arsenal fan I hope he succeeds...how long will he get? That's upto the board and he's clearly been given a long rope... so the reality is that either you hope for success or continue to post negative threads after threads

I want Arsenal to win every cup they enter. Reality is that they aren't under this manager, the club's mentality is weak. If it was strong they wudnt have thrown away 16 cups since winning the FA Cup.

The last 3 seasons EL semi final, top 4 and title collapse were down to Artetas inability to rotate and manage a squad at pressure end of the season.

This season he's already against struggling with squad rotation thats why the performances are in different.

In your post you've brought up the keeper issue, haverz issue. All things I mentored ages ago.

Yet when I mentioned it I'm being negative.

reality has finally sunk in. Everything I said about squad depth, managers short comings etc.. now people are agreeing upon

Having followed Arsenal since 1987, you get a feeling through experience when your team has the ability to get over the line and not.

Nothing to do with negativity just reality.

 

[KingKhanWC]

At the very least the red should have been asked to view it on the monitor.

I agree we were extremely poor in the attacking third but we at least kept possession and looked solid in defence for most parts...
A draw would have been the right result but as we know, two points could be. Racial in the end... whether it's for the title or a top four finish.
It also takes away our momentum and unbeaten record...

Not to mention all my spurs friends who are currently having a field day..

Come on Chelsea

I agree, any VAR decision which takes over 1 min , the ref should see replays. Why stand there in the cold and do nothing? PL and Webb should learn from the NBA. The view this disrupts the flow of football is nonsense as its only 2-3 of VAR checks in total in 90 mins.

It must be hard wanting to Chelsea win lol but anyone over Spurs I think.

I have a feeling Chelsea will end the lucky run of Spurs tonight....of course if they did sell Havertz?

 

[IMMY69]

I want Arsenal to win every cup they enter. Reality is that they aren't under this manager, the club's mentality is weak. If it was strong they wudnt have thrown away 16 cups since winning the FA Cup.

The last 3 seasons EL semi final, top 4 and title collapse were down to Artetas inability to rotate and manage a squad at pressure end of the season.

This season he's already against struggling with squad rotation thats why the performances are in different.

In your post you've brought up the keeper issue, haverz issue. All things I mentored ages ago.

Yet when I mentioned it I'm being negative.

reality has finally sunk in. Everything I said about squad depth, managers short comings etc.. now people are agreeing upon

Having followed Arsenal since 1987, you get a feeling through experience when your team has the ability to get over the line and not.

Nothing to do with negativity just reality.

Babar's captaincy isn't good enough.
But he's still a superb batsman.

Arteta, for all his faults highlighted by everyone, has still done some superb work. You could see that throughout last season.

Mistakes have been made this season and he's clearly not going anywhere for the foreseeable future and so I hope he gets it right and is successful. Just like I do whoever Babar leads the side out onto the field.

 

[IMMY69]

Boy oh boy
Chelsea

 

[KingKhanWC]

Boy oh boy
Chelsea

What a game

Spurs will lose this for sure now. Wonder if Arteta is watching and cooled down?

 

[Amjid Javed]

The ref has communication, if the VAR is taking 4 mins, the ref can discuss the reasons why and he has the right to decided to check the monitor if he so wishes. Its rare but they have the right.

I agree the standard of refs and VAR in the PL is very poor. You have overweight, slow old refs who cant even keep with the play. Howard Webb should be fired, he has been enjoying the limelight instead of working hard to ensure the officials are competent.

Have a look at Spurs vs Chelsea game

2 clear red cards not given. Just more incompetent refereeing

The inconsistency is what passes fans off. Its clear these referees are just making things up as they go a long

 

[KingKhanWC]

Have a look at Spurs vs Chelsea game

2 clear red cards not given. Just more incompetent refereeing

The inconsistency is what passes fans off. Its clear these referees are just making things up as they go a long

Not watching it but will catch up with the highlights later.

VAR should be in the stadium like DRS , NBA , Rugby assistants. The problem with football is there are many instances which are opinions. ie how harsh the tackle was, the force used, etc but offsides should be clear.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not watching it but will catch up with the highlights later.

VAR should be in the stadium like DRS , NBA , Rugby assistants. The problem with football is there are many instances which are opinions. ie how harsh the tackle was, the force used, etc but offsides should be clear.

The refs audio should also be heard live like in cricket and rugby but these corrupt Referees won't allow it

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

The refs audio should also be heard live like in cricket and rugby but these corrupt Referees won't allow it

This is the bit that I take issue with, saying they are corrupt, that's just nonsense

I agree referee standards aren't great but not being good at something doesn't make you corrupt

Also, I don't think managers/players/fans help, they lay into referees selectively (this applies to all clubs and most managers) and all that does is amplify the pressure on officials

I mean, the Arteta rant over a legitimate goal (or let's argue it was 50/50), certainly not a howler and he loses the plot.

If he complained about the Bruno challenge he would have every right but he knew if he spoke about that then he'd have to address the Havertz challenge and that obviously didn't suit his narrative.

 

[Mamoon]

Newcastle pretend to be a big club but when a big club comes to town they start playing rugby.

I think they were scared of letting Arsenal play especially after losing at home last season.

I guess it will take time for them to grow out of their small mentality and that won’t happen until they stop playing Arsenal rejects.

Very disappointed with Newcastle’s behavior and intentions but with Liverpool and Spurs all dropping points, it didn’t prove to be costly.

 

[Amjid Javed]

This is the bit that I take issue with, saying they are corrupt, that's just nonsense

I agree referee standards aren't great but not being good at something doesn't make you corrupt

Also, I don't think managers/players/fans help, they lay into referees selectively (this applies to all clubs and most managers) and all that does is amplify the pressure on officials

I mean, the Arteta rant over a legitimate goal (or let's argue it was 50/50), certainly not a howler and he loses the plot.

If he complained about the Bruno challenge he would have every right but he knew if he spoke about that then he'd have to address the Havertz challenge and that obviously didn't suit his narrative.

Wow if you think there is no corruption when it comes to refereeing

Last season we saw a clear hair pull and foul by spurs player in Chelsea game. VAR ignored the foul. Mike Dean said he didn't want to put his mate Anthony Taylor in tough spot

So if you are ignoring incidents on purpose that's not officiating game with integrity

Same as this season Howard Webb came out said Michael Oliver didn't send off Kovacic vs Arsensl as didn't want to spoil a big game. Again means that game isn't being officiated with integrity.

So referees in doing so are effecting outcomes of games by ignore incidents or making rules up for different games.

That is corruption. Just remember it's not always about the end result of match. It's about officials not doing things with integrity.

We've heard numerous times incidents haven't been referred to on field referees to look at screens etc.. because VAR refs don't want to make their mates look bad with initial decisions made. Again that's compromising the integrity of the game which is effectively corruption.

Yet your stuck on this continual point on Arteta moaning because your irriated at fact no one is giving Newcastle credit for a 1-0 win in a game neither side did enough to win.

 

[Mamoon]

Wow you are really niave if you think there is no corruption when it comes to refereeing

Last season we saw a clear hair pull and foul by spurs player in Chelsea game. VAR ignored the foul. Mike Dean said he didn't want to put his mate Anthony Taylor in tough spot

So if you are ignoring incidents on purpose that's not officiating game with integrity

Same as this season Howard Webb came out said Michael Oliver didn't send off Kovacic vs Arsensl as didn't want to spoil a big game. Again means that game isn't being officiated with integrity.

So referees in doing so are effecting outcomes of games by ignore incidents or making rules up for different games.

That is corruption. Just remember it's not always about the end result of match. It's about officials not doing things with integrity.

We've heard numerous times incidents haven't been referred to on field referees to look at screens etc.. because VAR refs don't want to make their mates look bad with initial decisions made. Again that's compromising the integrity of the game which is effectively corruption.

Yet your stuck on this continual point on Arteta moaning because your irriated at fact no one is giving Newcastle credit for a 1-0 win in a game neither side did enough to win.

You don’t have a club what corruption is. Spot embarrassing yourself.

Corruption would be the referees showing bias to a particular club because they are on their payroll. Corruption is what happened in Italian football with Juventus buying referees.

The English referees are incompetent and they lack consistency in the interpretation and application of rules. There is not a shred of evidence that they are corrupt.

All clubs suffer and benefit from VAR shockers. It is not a pattern - it depends on your luck. If it was Arsenal instead of Newcastle the goal would have still stood.

Every week someone will suffer at the hands of VAR. It is a collective issue that needs to be addressed in unison. It is not about certain individual clubs and referees.

 

[Amjid Javed]

You don’t have a club what corruption is. Spot embarrassing yourself.

Corruption would be the referees showing bias to a particular club because they are on their payroll. Corruption is what happened in Italian football with Juventus buying referees.

The English referees are incompetent and they lack consistency in the interpretation and application of rules. There is not a shred of evidence that they are corrupt.

All clubs suffer and benefit from VAR shockers. It is not a pattern - it depends on your luck. If it was Arsenal instead of Newcastle the goal would have still stood.

Every week someone will suffer at the hands of VAR. It is a collective issue that needs to be addressed in unison. It is not about certain individual clubs and referees.

only one embarrassing themselves is you .

No one takes your sill theories seriously. "Your genetics post" on the cricket forum is proof of that.

The fact referees are picking and choosing to officiate games and instances in different ways means they are influencing games and that's an integrity issue.

Yet a other who Is niave enough to think their is no corruption going on.

It's also clear these referees enjoy creating drama from a specitcal point of view.

The that you are, your merely using VAR excuse to deflect from Another poor Arsenal performance and fraudeta being out of his depth.

Still waiting for list of 40 G/A wingers better then Martinelli

Still waiting for proof nketitah is best back up striker

Still waiting for you excuse on havertz and Jorginho running around like headless chicken

Stop being a coward and back up your pathetic claims, otherwise keep quite and stop embarrassing urself

 

[Mamoon]

only one embarrassing themselves is you .

No one takes your sill theories seriously. "Your genetics post" on the cricket forum is proof of that.

The fact referees are picking and choosing to officiate games and instances in different ways means they are influencing games and that's an integrity issue.

Yet a other who Is niave enough to think their is no corruption going on.

It's also clear these referees enjoy creating drama from a specitcal point of view.

The that you are, your merely using VAR excuse to deflect from Another poor Arsenal performance and fraudeta being out of his depth.

Still waiting for list of 40 G/A wingers better then Martinelli

Still waiting for proof nketitah is best back up striker

Still waiting for you excuse on havertz and Jorginho running around like headless chicken

Stop being a coward and back up your pathetic claims, otherwise keep quite and stop embarrassing urself

Oh my, you really are clueless beyond hope aren’t you

Again - corruption in the context of football refs would be giving decisions in favor of a particular club or set of clubs because they are on their payroll.

This is what happened in Italy. What happening in England is just pure incompetence.

You clearly don’t understand the difference between being incompetent and being corrupt.

If you think the PGMOL is corrupt, please provide evidence that they are on the payroll of XYZ clubs and hence involved in corrupt decisions.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Oh my, you really are clueless beyond hope aren’t you

Again - corruption in the context of football refs would be giving decisions in favor of a particular club or set of clubs because they are on their payroll.

This is what happened in Italy. What happening in England is just pure incompetence.

You clearly don’t understand the difference between being incompetent and being corrupt.

If you think the PGMOL is corrupt, please provide evidence that they are on the payroll of XYZ clubs and hence involved in corrupt decisions.

There are different types of corruption, doesn't have to be specifically linked to favouring a team. The way betting markets are these days people can bet on occurrences during a game not just a result. That's the same as spot fixing, so I wouldn't put it past PL referees playing out such scenarios.

Once again like the coward that you are you making bold statements then run off with egg on your face.

I'm still waiting on

Still waiting for list of 40 G/A wingers better then Martinelli

Still waiting for proof nketitah is best back up striker

Still waiting for you excuse on havertz and Jorginho running around like headless chicken.

The fact you can't address your comical statements says it all. But keep up the diversion tactics

Feel free to provide proof of your comical statements

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Mamoon

Havertz 1 charity goal in 17 games

Nketiah 0 goals in 19 PL away games

@Mamoon still waiting for excuses?

keep running

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed

More nonsense.

The only person who is doing a runner is you. From this corruption to there are different types of corruption.

Since you are an expect on different types of corruption, you should also know that there is one thing that is common to every type of corruption in this context, i.e. financial incentives/bribery.

Spot fixing/spot corruption whatever you want to call it happens when there is financial reward in play.

Please provide evidence that PGMOL is taking payments from different clubs to give favorable decisions. That is what happened in Italian football.

You can’t escape this because I won’t allow you to. Please provide proof of financial irregularities in PGMOL if you want to accuse them of being corrupt.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed

More nonsense.

The only person who is doing a runner is you. From this corruption to there are different types of corruption.

Since you are an expect on different types of corruption, you should also know that there is one thing that is common to every type of corruption in this context, i.e. financial incentives/bribery.

Spot fixing/spot corruption whatever you want to call it happens when there is financial reward in play.

Please provide evidence that PGMOL is taking payments from different clubs to give favorable decisions. That is what happened in Italian football.

You can’t escape this because I won’t allow you to. Please provide proof of financial irregularities in PGMOL if you want to accuse them of being corrupt.

Running like a coward still waiting for response on martinelli, nketitah and havertz.

The fact your deflecting again

 

[Mamoon]

Running like a coward still waiting for response on martinelli, nketitah and havertz.

The fact your deflecting again

Please provide evidence for PGMOL corruption.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Please provide evidence for PGMOL corruption.

Once you respond, I will respond. Stop being a spineless poster.

The fact you can't comprehend that corruption doesn't just have to be for a team purpose shows how slow you are.

Like I said spot fixing is on events and occurrences not just results. You really are slow .

Either reply on your wild statement and go run off to cricket forum with your nonsense.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Newcastle pretend to be a big club but when a big club comes to town they start playing rugby.

I think they were scared of letting Arsenal play especially after losing at home last season.

I guess it will take time for them to grow out of their small mentality and that won’t happen until they stop playing Arsenal rejects.

Very disappointed with Newcastle’s behavior and intentions but with Liverpool and Spurs all dropping points, it didn’t prove to be costly.

This isn't even remotely true and a distortion of reality

At the Emirates last season, we definitely slowed the game down, we wasted time and made it a physical game. That's when Arteta and Arsenal got rattled

At St James' Park you rattled us by making it a physical game, wasting time and basically doing to us what we did at the Emirates, some of our players lost their head and we deservedly lost the game

This time, Raya was wasting time from the start, the plan was the same and it was an even game, it only got really spicy after the terrible tackle by Havertz. We had one moment of quality combined with the Arsenal defence switching off and ultimately it's what separated the two sides.

This idea that you were playing carpet football whilst we weren't is absurd but if that's what you want to believe whilst denying reality go right ahead, makes no difference to me

Also, we don't care about being considered a big club, it means nothing and validation from others means nothing to us. As Eddie Howe said last season we aren't here to be popular we are here to compete.

I'd much rather he disliked because it shows we are doing something to upset the established clubs, trust me, the patronising pats on the head as teams rocked up here and walked away with an easy 3 points wasn't nice from our perspective.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Wow if you think there is no corruption when it comes to refereeing

Last season we saw a clear hair pull and foul by spurs player in Chelsea game. VAR ignored the foul. Mike Dean said he didn't want to put his mate Anthony Taylor in tough spot

So if you are ignoring incidents on purpose that's not officiating game with integrity

Same as this season Howard Webb came out said Michael Oliver didn't send off Kovacic vs Arsensl as didn't want to spoil a big game. Again means that game isn't being officiated with integrity.

So referees in doing so are effecting outcomes of games by ignore incidents or making rules up for different games.

That is corruption. Just remember it's not always about the end result of match. It's about officials not doing things with integrity.

We've heard numerous times incidents haven't been referred to on field referees to look at screens etc.. because VAR refs don't want to make their mates look bad with initial decisions made. Again that's compromising the integrity of the game which is effectively corruption.

Yet your stuck on this continual point on Arteta moaning because your irriated at fact no one is giving Newcastle credit for a 1-0 win in a game neither side did enough to win.

Again, what you have described as incompetence or poor standards, not corruption

I don't think you understand what corruption means or you are deliberately misusing it

At no point have I said referees are brilliant, I've accepted the standards are poor but I disagree that it's corruption and I disagree with complaints about our goal

I'm stuck on the Arteta point because he made it into a big issue

As for the credit, it doesn't really bother me, we got the win and that is most important.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Again, what you have described as incompetence or poor standards, not corruption

I don't think you understand what corruption means or you are deliberately misusing it

At no point have I said referees are brilliant, I've accepted the standards are poor but I disagree that it's corruption and I disagree with complaints about our goal

I'm stuck on the Arteta point because he made it into a big issue

As for the credit, it doesn't really bother me, we got the win and that is most important.

Only person failing to understand is you and the called @Mamoon.

If you compromise the integrity of the game that is corruption.

The FA came out after Anthony Taylor failed to send Mane off after a few minutes vs Chelsea few seasons back, saying the referee didn't want to have to send someone off early and spoil game.

Same thing happened with kovacic vs Arsensl. Webb saying oliver didn't send him off because again it was a big game.

Same goes for Mike Dean failing to refer a spurs hair pull vs Chelsea as he didn't want to put Taylor on the spot.

In simple terms as both of you are struggling with it. Referees are saying that in big games they weren't willing to send a player off early. Which means if it wasn't a big game, they would have done so.

That is basically saying in "bigger games" teams will be favoured more when it comes to red cards etc.. that is an integrity issue and essentially corruption as you are being more favourable in bigger games.

If either of you can't comprehend that then that's your own faults.

Go look up the legal links between integrity and corruption and you will see that they are linked.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Webbs comments after Arsensl vs City



So oliver didn't want to spoil the "big game" same ref who in a wolves vs Arsenal game sent Martinelli off for 2 fouls in 60 seconds. Like I said referees using different criteria depending on magnitude of game is integrity issue for those slow enough not to understand

 

[Mamoon]

Once you respond, I will respond. Stop being a spineless poster.

The fact you can't comprehend that corruption doesn't just have to be for a team purpose shows how slow you are.

Like I said spot fixing is on events and occurrences not just results. You really are slow .

Either reply on your wild statement and go run off to cricket forum with your nonsense.

Please provide the evidence that I asked for. Stop embarrassing yourself.

You keep confusing corruption with incompetence.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Only person failing to understand is you and the called @Mamoon.

If you compromise the integrity of the game that is corruption.

The FA came out after Anthony Taylor failed to send Mane off after a few minutes vs Chelsea few seasons back, saying the referee didn't want to have to send someone off early and spoil game.

Same thing happened with kovacic vs Arsensl. Webb saying oliver didn't send him off because again it was a big game.

Same goes for Mike Dean failing to refer a spurs hair pull vs Chelsea as he didn't want to put Taylor on the spot.

In simple terms as both of you are struggling with it. Referees are saying that in big games they weren't willing to send a player off early. Which means if it wasn't a big game, they would have done so.

That is basically saying in "bigger games" teams will be favoured more when it comes to red cards etc.. that is an integrity issue and essentially corruption as you are being more favourable in bigger games.

If either of you can't comprehend that then that's your own faults.

Go look up the legal links between integrity and corruption and you will see that they are linked.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the term corruption, for me it involves money changing hands

What you are stating is more down to incompetence or weakness etc etc, it simply isn't corruption in my view but maybe you see the word differently and ultimately that's your call

My point still remains, Arteta was just upset his team conceded. He wasn't trying to raise a point about the standards of officiating and the statement from Arsenal was embarrassing as it was following a valid goal and it doesn't really help the situation in the slightest. But I don't believe Arteta really cares about improving the standards, just like Mourinho didn't nor Fergie didn't when they used to do the same kind of rants.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Webbs comments after Arsensl vs City

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So oliver didn't want to spoil the "big game" same ref who in a wolves vs Arsenal game sent Martinelli off for 2 fouls in 60 seconds. Like I said referees using different criteria depending on magnitude of game is integrity issue for those slow enough not to understand

That's just Howard Webb's interpretation of the incident

It was an error from Michael Oliver, he should have sent of him off but he's not the first referee to make a mistake and he won't be the last. Just like the ref that failed to send Nketiah off for his challenge on Vicario, was that corruption too?

 

[Amjid Javed]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the term corruption, for me it involves money changing hands

What you are stating is more down to incompetence or weakness etc etc, it simply isn't corruption in my view but maybe you see the word differently and ultimately that's your call

My point still remains, Arteta was just upset his team conceded. He wasn't trying to raise a point about the standards of officiating and the statement from Arsenal was embarrassing as it was following a valid goal and it doesn't really help the situation in the slightest. But I don't believe Arteta really cares about improving the standards, just like Mourinho didn't nor Fergie didn't when they used to do the same kind of rants.

Corruption does have to involve money always being exchanged. Corruption can involve compromising integrity and also also influence on events

Artetas anger stems from continual poor decisions and apologies to Arsenal fron the FA so I can see why he blew his top. He believes ball went out and was a foul, so he has evert right to question it.

On the flip side Arteta also ranted as a diversion tactic as well at yet another poor performance, he knows he's under pressure.

In regards to Artetas hypocrisy when he didn't back Liverpool a few weeks earlier. I don't condone his childish actions there.

That's a balanced view.

 

[Amjid Javed]

That's just Howard Webb's interpretation of the incident

It was an error from Michael Oliver, he should have sent of him off but he's not the first referee to make a mistake and he won't be the last. Just like the ref that failed to send Nketiah off for his challenge on Vicario, was that corruption too?

Webb would have spoken to Oliver and its not just a case of his interpretation as the FA apologised after the game, so Webb would have had to have got olivers explanation on things. I see you didn't mention either of 2 incidents I mentioned.

Nketiah foul was viewed by VAR was seen as not a red.

I said during game it should have been a red, its not 1st time Nketiah lunges in like that and I said he's reckless. He got sent off for Leicester few years ago. I don't sugar coat Arsenal incidents even if they have favoured Arsenal.

Palace game - I said it was a soft pen given by VAR

United game - I said the disallowed goal was huge luck for Arsenal

My views are consistent on PL refs and how they try and influence games how they see fit with zero integrity

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Wait till Audio is released from Newcastle vs Arsenal and you will see how incompetent they are

The comments from guiameres incident are a disgraceful.

Also from Audio of the ball being out, the referee are heard saying the ball looks out. Incompetence at its highest

Btw has the audio been released or the transcript of the audio? Can't seem to find it because I am intrigued as to the conversation/explanation that took place

 

[Amjid Javed]

Btw has the audio been released or the transcript of the audio? Can't seem to find it because I am intrigued as to the conversation/explanation that took place

So unless a player is using his arm as a "weapon" its not a red card these referees just make up rules as the go along. No referral pitch side and a pathetic excuse used

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

So unless a player is using his arm as a "weapon" its not a red card these referees just make up rules as the go along. No referral pitch side and a pathetic excuse used

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You got the link to the audio or the transcript?

As for Bruno, it was an absurd decision but I think VAR let him off because deep down they probably know Havertz should have been sent off

Which comes down to the standards not being high enough

 

[Amjid Javed]

You got the link to the audio or the transcript?

As for Bruno, it was an absurd decision but I think VAR let him off because deep down they probably know Havertz should have been sent off

Which comes down to the standards not being high enough

VAR letting him off for something earlier, just shows lack of integrity again. A so called leveling up process is not officiating game in correct manner

This is what most sites are show as the Audio

The elbow and the push incidents are pathetic cop out excuses from FA ref

VAR had all angles of the Joelinton push, what did they think he was doing with his 2 hands?

 

[Amjid Javed]

For those say Gabriel was leaning forward / going down on the Joelinton push. What was joelinton doing with his two arms out like that? Your certainly not using hands for leverage to jump.

We saw a penalty given against Arsena vs man city 2 seasons ago where a city player dived and was on his way to floor and then xhaka at last minute grabs his shirt and a pen given. Just shows these ref like to influence incidents in games how they see fit

 

[Firebat]

Martinelli is just different gravy, he's terrorising these Sevilla defenders.

 

[topspin]

Martinelli just destroyed Juanlu during that first half.

BUT BUT BUT

"He should be used as a late sub"

 

[IMMY69]

Martinelli has been absolutely spectacular... hope he caps off the performance with a goal in the second half

 

[topspin]

Havertz missing this sitter

https://x.com/i/web/status/1722344188451127476

 

[IMMY69]

For those say Gabriel was leaning forward / going down on the Joelinton push. What was joelinton doing with his two arms out like that? Your certainly not using hands for leverage to jump.

We saw a penalty given against Arsena vs man city 2 seasons ago where a city player dived and was on his way to floor and then xhaka at last minute grabs his shirt and a pen given. Just shows these ref like to influence incidents in games how they see fit

Mate it was a stone wall foul...
I don't even think there is a debate

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Leandro Trossard and Bukayo Saka scored as Arsenal claimed a comfortable Champions League victory over lacklustre Sevilla.

Trossard, who started as number nine with Gabriel Jesus and Eddie Nketiah both injured, swept the Gunners in front in the 29th minute.

Saka clinched the three points in the 64th minute, racing away from the defence before slotting home.

Arsenal top Group B on nine points from four games, while Sevilla are bottom of the table.

The Spanish side, who won the Europa League last season, are still looking for their first win in this Champions League campaign.

They were comprehensively outplayed by the hosts, who took a deserved lead when Trossard finished Saka's low cross after the England winger was set away by Jorginho's fine through-ball.

Saka turned from provider to finisher with a composed second goal, having been played through by Gabriel Martinelli.

The game ended on a concerning note for Arsenal, however, as Saka limped off with five minutes left after twisting his ankle.

PSV's 1-0 victory over Lens denied Arsenal the chance to clinch a place in the last 16 with two matches to spare.

But Mikel Arteta's men will qualify with one win from their final two group matches, regardless of other results.

 

[topspin]

A major takeaway from this win is to start Trossard as a false 9 instead of playing Nketiah upfront.

Arteta needs to give up on Havertz for good. Anyone but him should play in midfield.

I was happy to see Zinchenko tried out in midfield. This should’ve happened a long time ago because it’s clear as day that he’s not a natural LB. This was merely an experiment done by Pep.

I hope Arteta can now begin to be more flexible with his thinking because up until he’s been very rigid.

The decision to loan out Tierney and keep Zinchenko is a shocker.

There’s a reason why the Ukrainian plays in midfield instead of LB (or anywhere in defence)

Kudus would‘ve been the perfect replacement for Xhaka. He was available for cheap.

Instead of buying Havertz, Arsenal should’ve bought Kudus and Maddison. The squad depth in midfield would be huge.

Jorgino played well tonight. For some reason he’s been poor in almost every PL game this season.

I still think Elneny with his extra mobility deserves more game time. I would like to see him start against Burnley.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

VAR letting him off for something earlier, just shows lack of integrity again. A so called leveling up process is not officiating game in correct manner

This is what most sites are show as the Audio

The elbow and the push incidents are pathetic cop out excuses from FA ref

VAR had all angles of the Joelinton push, what did they think he was doing with his 2 hands?

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Are we sure those quotes are legit? As so far I haven't seen any official audio released?

 

[Firebat]

VAR letting him off for something earlier, just shows lack of integrity again. A so called leveling up process is not officiating game in correct manner

This is what most sites are show as the Audio

The elbow and the push incidents are pathetic cop out excuses from FA ref

VAR had all angles of the Joelinton push, what did they think he was doing with his 2 hands?

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That supposed VAR audio and quotes are fake bro, it was just a joke video. Nothing official has been released.

 

[Firebat]

Arsenal 2-0 Sevilla: Bukayo Saka shines and Mikel Arteta plays down injury fears as Gunners clinch dominant win

Arsenal edged closer to the Champions League knockout stages as Bukayo Saka's goal and assist helped them to a commanding 2-0 win over Group B opponents Sevilla at the Emirates Stadium.

Four days on from their acrimonious defeat to Newcastle at St James' Park, victory never looked in doubt from the moment Leandro Trossard swept home Saka's low cross in the first half.

Saka added the second with a composed finish after latching onto a pass from the similarly dangerous Gabriel Martinelli in the second period, but a positive night was dampened when the 22-year-old limped off after landing awkwardly in the closing stages.

Arsenal will be encouraged by the fact Saka took part in the post-match celebrations, however, and Arteta played down injury concerns afterwards. "It was just a kick," he said. "I was told by the physios that he wasn't happy to continue. He had some discomfort but, hopefully, I'm going to assume he's going to be OK."

The victory, during which Sevilla registered the one and only shot in the final minute of stoppage time, sees Arsenal maintain their four-point cushion at the top of Group B with only two games to play.

Arsenal 2-0 Sevilla: Bukayo Saka shines and Mikel Arteta plays down injury fears as Gunners clinch dominant win

Arsenal edged closer to the Champions League knockout stages as Bukayo Saka's goal and assist helped them to a commanding 2-0 win over Group B opponents Sevilla at the Emirates Stadium.

www.skysports.com

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

That supposed VAR audio and quotes are fake bro, it was just a joke video. Nothing official has been released.

Ah okay, that makes sense, as I hadn't seen anything official released.

 

[Amjid Javed]

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Good thing officials don't rely on photos to make their decisions

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good thing officials don't rely on photos to make their decisions

Even the videos are identical, both clear pushes, no player in that instance is using his two hands for leverage.

Why don't you explain to everyone what Joelinton was doing with his 2 hands in that position?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good thing officials don't rely on photos to make their decisions

Enjoy the highlights, on look its a 2 hand push, and they asked the referee to go to the screen.

Did that happen in Newcastle vs Arsenal game?

Keep up the denial

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Enjoy the highlights, on look its a 2 hand push, and they asked the referee to go to the screen.

Did that happen in Newcastle vs Arsenal game?

Keep up the denial

There is no denial, we got the goal given and I'm happy with it

As for the two incidents, I'd argue they are different because Gabriel stoops forward as the cross is coming down whilst the Napoli cross is much higher and Raspadori uses the defender to climb up

 

[FearlessRoar]

Mikel Arteta plays down Bukayo Saka injury fears.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1722515889369625086

 

[Amjid Javed]

There is no denial, we got the goal given and I'm happy with it

As for the two incidents, I'd argue they are different because Gabriel stoops forward as the cross is coming down whilst the Napoli cross is much higher and Raspadori uses the defender to climb up

Bro, Again I asked the question what was joelinton using his arms for in that position? Whether Gabriel is leaning slightly forward is irrelevant. How was Joelinton trying to make an attempt to win the ball.

Numerous ex refs Hackett, clattenburg and few others have come out and said its a foul.

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed

Commiserations for last night’s win. Your prayers weren’t answered.

“Fraudeta is clueless in Europe”

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed

Commiserations for last night’s win. Your prayers weren’t answered.

“Fraudeta is clueless in Europe”

Yeah same fraudeta that was humilated by olympiakos, villlareal and sporting Lisbon in europa league.

Arsenal are in a group with europa league standard teams. Your doing bhangra in your underpants over a group stage win. When is the trophy parade?

Oh yeah still waiting for your response on Nketiah being best back up striker. Nothing more then a small team bully and goes missing in away games

Why don't you tell everyone about havertz and Jorginho world class efforts this season.

Oh wait I forgot, you like to beat your chest with bold claims then run off like a coward when asked to provide justification on your comments.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Bro, Again I asked the question what was joelinton using his arms for in that position? Whether Gabriel is leaning slightly forward is irrelevant. How was Joelinton trying to make an attempt to win the ball.

Numerous ex refs Hackett, clattenburg and few others have come out and said its a foul.

For me his hands are there in a natural position as he is jumping, he's not using Gabriel to leverage anything, he's simply in his way

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Panel says Newcastle goal vs. Arsenal correct

The Premier League's Independent Key Match Incidents Panel has ruled the referee and the VAR were correct to award Newcastle United's winning goal against Arsenal.

www.espn.com

@Amjid Javed Just as I saw it, both Havertz and Bruno G should have been red cards, and the goal was fine.

 

[Amjid Javed]

For me his hands are there in a natural position as he is jumping, he's not using Gabriel to leverage anything, he's simply in his way

So a player naturally jumps by using 2 hands on someone's back

If that's case why was napolis goal disallowed

Oh and Gabriel is in the way? What did you expect him to roll a red carpet out for Joelinton

Joelintons arms move outwards in a pushing motion, and that's not a natural position when jumping for a ball

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

So a player naturally jumps by using 2 hands on someone's back

If that's case why was napolis goal disallowed

Oh and Gabriel is in the way? What did you expect him to roll a red carpet out for Joelinton

Joelintons arms move outwards in a pushing motion, and that's not a natural position when jumping for a ball

I've already explained the difference between the two, you claimed I was in denial yet you are the one that is not able to differentiate between the two incidents

I honestly think emotion is clouding your judgement, I've been there but usually it settles after a few days. The fact that you shared made up quotes attributed towards the VAR audio proves this, simply because the words used is what you wanted them to be

Please see the link I shared, the independent panel basically agrees with what I have been saying since day one

 

[Amjid Javed]

I've already explained the difference between the two, you claimed I was in denial yet you are the one that is not able to differentiate between the two incidents

I honestly think emotion is clouding your judgement, I've been there but usually it settles after a few days. The fact that you shared made up quotes attributed towards the VAR audio proves this, simply because the words used is what you wanted them to be

Please see the link I shared, the independent panel basically agrees with what I have been saying since day one

There is no difference between the incidents, both players are climbing on the back of the defender using their hands to try and win a header

Emotions aren't clouding my judgement, because the game is done and things aren't going to change. I didn't share made up quotes, I just did a Google search and posted what I found.
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Plenty of ex referees have been asked about this and loads of them say it was a foul.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

There is no difference between the incidents, both players are climbing on the back of the defender using their hands to try and win a header

Emotions aren't clouding my judgement, because the game is done and things aren't going to change. I didn't share made up quotes, I just did a Google search and posted what I found.
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Plenty of ex referees have been asked about this and loads of them say it was a foul.

That's my point, you did a Google search and shared stuff without any verification because it suited your narrative that the VAR officials were clueless and confused

Again, the point you are missing is that there are mixed opinions on whether it was a foul (see the link I shared, 4 said no foul and 1 said foul) . What's clear is that it isn't a clear and obvious mistake (the very fact we have a split on a subjective decision proves this) and therefore VAR did the correct thing in sticking with the on field decision.

If the referee had given it as a foul I don't think VAR would have overturned it.

Not a howler, not a mistake and certainly not worth the tears from Arteta and Arsenal.

 

[Amjid Javed]

That's my point, you did a Google search and shared stuff without any verification because it suited your narrative that the VAR officials were clueless and confused

Again, the point you are missing is that there are mixed opinions on whether it was a foul (see the link I shared, 4 said no foul and 1 said foul) . What's clear is that it isn't a clear and obvious mistake (the very fact we have a split on a subjective decision proves this) and therefore VAR did the correct thing in sticking with the on field decision.

If the referee had given it as a foul I don't think VAR would have overturned it.

Not a howler, not a mistake and certainly not worth the tears from Arteta and Arsenal.

The length of time they took to review the joelinton push they should have referred it to the on field referee.

The referee for napoli game didn't see it was a foul but soon changed his mine after watching on the screen.

Same should have been done with this incident. Its clearly obvious these VAR don't know what they are doing as each week they change how they look at incidents.

you will see a similar push at the back post in a Premier league have a goal disallowed at least a few times before end of season.

All you have posted is what suits your narrative.

According to you Bein sports is now gospel on the incidents that occurred

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

The length of time they took to review the joelinton push they should have referred it to the on field referee.

How long did they take reviewing it?

The referee for napoli game didn't see it was a foul but soon changed his mine after watching on the screen.

Of course, that's how VAR works. The ref will make a judgement and the VAR will explain what they have seen and recommend a review.

Same should have been done with this incident. Its clearly obvious these VAR don't know what they are doing as each week they change how they look at incidents.

Not necessarily, all depends on what discussion took place. If the VAR official has looked at it and doesn't deem it to be a foul then why on earth would he send the referee to the monitor? You only send the ref if you believe he has made a mistake

you will see a similar push at the back post in a Premier league have a goal disallowed at least a few times before end of season.

I don't doubt that, we are dealing with humans and dealing with different games, inconsistency is in football, has always been in football and sadly always will. The focus has to be on trying to minimise it as much as possible.

All you have posted is what suits your narrative.

No, I've posted the view of the Premier League's Independent Key Match Panel. Do you have an issue with them?

According to you Bein sports is now gospel on the incidents that occurred

Where have I stated Bein sports are Gospel?

 

[MK7Z]

Its been and gone. The audio quotes are legit and all will be revealed during the International Break when Howard Webb gets his air time with Sky which is part of the reason why Neville and Carra dont go in on them!

They went in on the United ref last night as its different broadcasters etc.

I think it was a foul but it was not given so I am over it. You just have to youtube Cedrics foul on Son a couple of seasons ago when a pen was given as an example of lack of consistency.

I think its all 3. Corruption, lack of consistency and incompetence. Oh and a 4th is lack of accountability.
Antony Taylor was dropped this weekend to the championship I think and made another horrendous error. Whats the implication? He will referee the big game of the weekend Man City vs Chelsea.

Make it make sense.

Anyway on the game last night. Lightwork

Hopefully Tomy is ok. Jesus should be back after International Break so we should be able to deal with Burnley with what we have.

What a performance by Martinelli by the way.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It's strange if they went in on the Man-U ref as I think he got all the big calls right

 

[MenInG]

Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta has warned Aaron Ramsdale not to rush any decision over his future after falling out of favour this season.

England manager Gareth Southgate told Ramsdale he could not promise a Euro 2024 place if he remained on the bench.

Ramsdale, 25, has made only seven starts this season, with new signing David Raya taking over as first-choice goalkeeper.

Arteta said that Ramsdale has a "really important role" in his team.

When asked if he would understand if Ramsdale wanted to move clubs in January, Arteta said making early decisions is "not something good at all".

"We just want the best for our players and we try to do that, and we know the influence that we can have - sometimes positively, sometimes not so positively, towards them," Arteta said.

"This is a team sport that needs 24 players that have to fulfil a role. And the role that you have in August, it might be very different to the one you have in March.

"So making early decisions, in my experience, is not something good at all and as well because the team has certain needs that has to be accomplished.

"You need everyone and Aaron has a really important role in the team."

Ramsdale has been called up by Southgate for England's final two qualifiers against Malta and North Macedonia this month and will be aiming to add to his four senior caps.

Southgate said that he had spoken to Ramsdale about his international future during the last camp.

"He's still battling to be the number one at Arsenal, and his profile and the way he can use the ball with his feet, we like," Southgate said.

"But there is a reality as a keeper. If we get to March and he's six months without playing regularly, then I'm never going to promise things that I couldn't guarantee delivering."

Fourth-placed Arsenal host Burnley at 15:00 GMT on Saturday.

BBC

 

[Mamoon]

@topspin

 

[topspin]

@topspin



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Not sure a clown emoji is warranted after one good game against relegation fodder when he’s been poor all season. Pipe down please.