Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[Firebat]

Is football played at St James Park?? Feel like I'm watching the Sprinboks or UFC

Bruno elbowed Jorginho in the head???

 

[Amjid Javed]

0-0 HT

Awful game of football, neither side looks good in final 3rd

Lots of niggly fouls

 

[Firebat]

Hahahahahahhaha

https://x.com/i/web/status/1720869054842290276

 

[Amjid Javed]

Is football played at St James Park?? Feel like I'm watching the Sprinboks or UFC

Bruno elbowed Jorginho in the head???

The fact VAR didn't check that flying arm is a disgrace

This game will be decide by 1 goal it looks like

Elneny and Trossard both need to come on here.

Jorghino, havertz and Nketiah have been poor again

 

[Amjid Javed]

Referee has lost control of this game, won't be shocked if someone gets a red in 2nd half

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good defensive block. Newcastle almost in there

 

[Amjid Javed]

Get havertz off before he gets a 2nd yellow and a red card.

Get elneny on, at least he can shoot when he gets ball

Get trossard on for Nketiah

 

[Amjid Javed]

Isak on for newcastle, Arsenal need to be extra careful now

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arteta will wait till 70 mins as usual before looking at subs

 

[Amjid Javed]

Ball clearly out of play, then a Newcastle foul. Let's see if goal is given

 

[Amjid Javed]

Disgraceful decision to given a goal

 

[Amjid Javed]

Zinchenko on for white

Arsenal toothless again and certain posters getting over excited after sheff utd game

 

[Amjid Javed]

VAR corruption at its finest

 

[IMMY69]

The referring and VAR have been criminally bad..

I can't believe what I've seen so far...
Disgusting

 

[Amjid Javed]

The referring and VAR have been criminally bad..

I can't believe what I've seen so far...
Disgusting

1 Ball out
2 clear foul
3 clear offside

Shambolic decision

In saying that we have been toothless all game

 

[IMMY69]

1 Ball out
2 clear foul
3 clear offside

Shambolic decision

In saying that we have been toothless all game

In front of goal yes
But it's a game over 90 minutes and we've looked toothless before and have come up with a goal or two from somewhere.

Even if we didn't they've also been toothless so worst scenario draw.

But with this decision we could end up dropping 3 or 1 point and losing our unbeaten start to the season...
this for me is unacceptable

 

[Amjid Javed]

Late reactive subs as usual from Arteta, absolutely clueless. The sooner he goes the better

 

[Amjid Javed]

In front of goal yes
But it's a game over 90 minutes and we've looked toothless before and have come up with a goal or two from somewhere.

Even if we didn't they've also been toothless so worst scenario draw.

But with this decision we could end up dropping 3 or 1 point and losing our unbeaten start to the season...
this for me is unacceptable

I'm sure Webb and his other corrupt officials will come out with apologies and excuses as usual

 

[IMMY69]

Now this Gamieres
How the hell is he still in the pitch?
Finally gets a yellow.

Elbowed our player then smashes the ball into our player and only now gets a yellow???

Criminal

 

[IMMY69]

It's like the actual League wants us to lose this game...

 

[IMMY69]

I feel cheated

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pathetic toothless performance

Havertz, Jorginho and Nketiah nowhere to be seen

Arteta usually pathetic late subs

Arsenal ain't winning no title with this squad

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Mamoon lets here your excuses for this toothless effort

Nketiah best back up striker in top 6

Jorginho and havertz top quality

Arteta tactically brilliant ‍

 

[Saj]

I didn't think it was a goal.

Both teams were below par and a draw would have been a fair result.

Arsenal toothless with their attacking options nowhere to be seen.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Arteta is clueless but three umpire's decision aka Ask Neville

 

[IMMY69]

I didn't think it was a goal.

Both teams were below par and a draw would have been a fair result.

Arsenal toothless with their attacking options nowhere to be seen.

A proper Arsenal fan should be discussing the absolutely shambolic refereeing...

Not a time to take a dig at other fans...

Of course we were toothless and need a striker in January... but a proper fan of any team would be seething right now rather then calling out other posters on their views.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If Villa beat forrest tomorrow even Emerys team will be above Arsenal.

Yet another poor performance from Arsenal

 

[IMMY69]

Sky also trying to justify it.

Carraghar talking so much nonsense

 

[topspin]

VAR corruption at its finest

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I was about to post it but you beat me to it. There's a clear gap between ball and line.

Anyone who thinks this is hard to tell from this angle needs to go to Specsavers.

Inconclusive my a$$.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I was about to post it but you beat me to it. There's a clear gap between ball and line.

Anyone who thinks this is hard to tell from this angle needs to go to Specsavers.

Inconclusive my a$$.

It's a shambles



Also clearly offside when goal went in, let's see if the release Audio or apologise on this

 

[topspin]

We never looked like scoring.

We've been riding our luck throughout the season. A key example being the 2 x deflected goals which won us two games.

When I saw the team sheet, I didn't have much hope when you look at that midfield. There was not a single decent creative midfielder in that team.

Jorgino is finished as a PL footballer. He was never blessed with pace so at his age. I would honestly rather play Elneny and get rid of Jorgino in January.

As @Amjid Javed has mentioned before, £100m wasted on 2 x shocking midfielders, in Havertz and Vieira. I had a glimmer of hope for the latter and was hoping he would improve but he's been poor.

Everyone is talking about getting a number 9 and a right winger. Well the truth is we need to priortise our midfield because the only reliable midfielder we've had so far this season is Rice.

Odegaard wouldn't have done anything because he always struggles in these tough away trips against the more physical sides.

Horrible week for Arsenal but it was coming. The football hasn't been fluent this season and we've been riding our luck.

I wouldn't be surprised if it starts to fall apart hereon in for Arteta.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal didn't even test the Newcastle goal keeper today. Saka / Martinelli both stifled. Eddie simply isn't good enough and havertz and Jorginho both shambolic to.

Even if this game had end 0-0 just shows how poor and disjointed Arsenal have been fluidity wise and people thinking Arsenal are preserving themselves for later in season are being deluded.

 

[topspin]

I look forward to PGMOL's apology.

Refereeing was scandoulous. The commentators and the likes of Carraghar in the studio are trying really hard to justify the goal. None of them have any spine to say, well hang on that ball is over the line.

Also, how Bruno Guimaraes was allowed to stay after that elbow and then kicking the ball at Havertz. Both were red card offences.

 

[topspin]

Late reactive subs as usual from Arteta, absolutely clueless. The sooner he goes the better

Subbing on Zinchenko made Arsenal play worse. He offers absolutely nothing. @Mamoon 's analogy of him and TAA just gets more and more amusing.

 

[Amjid Javed]

We never looked like scoring.

We've been riding our luck throughout the season. A key example being the 2 x deflected goals which won us two games.

When I saw the team sheet, I didn't have much hope when you look at that midfield. There was not a single decent creative midfielder in that team.

Jorgino is finished as a PL footballer. He was never blessed with pace so at his age. I would honestly rather play Elneny and get rid of Jorgino in January.

As @Amjid Javed has mentioned before, £100m wasted on 2 x shocking midfielders, in Havertz and Vieira. I had a glimmer of hope for the latter and was hoping he would improve but he's been poor.

Everyone is talking about getting a number 9 and a right winger. Well the truth is we need to priortise our midfield because the only reliable midfielder we've had so far this season is Rice.

Odegaard wouldn't have done anything because he always struggles in these tough away trips against the more physical sides.

Horrible week for Arsenal but it was coming. The football hasn't been fluent this season and we've been riding our luck.

I wouldn't be surprised if it starts to fall apart hereon in for Arteta.

Spot on summary. I've been saying all season this so called "squad depth" has not improved. The so called "playing with more control" was a myth as well.

Apart from bournemouth and sheff utd games this season, Arsenal have been average in the PL.

Yeah the 2 deflected goals vs united and City just papered over two toothless performances.

With Jesus and partey not been able to stay fit. This teams squad depth will be exposed even more.

This is on the manager and it will be a 4th season in a row without a trophy

 

[Amjid Javed]

Subbing on Zinchenko made Arsenal play worse. He offers absolutely nothing. @Mamoon 's analogy of him and TAA just gets more and more amusing.

Almost every game Artetas subs come after 70 mins, this guy is so predictable and reactive. Just goes through the motions. You ain't winning a title with such poor in game management

 

[topspin]

Spot on summary. I've been saying all season this so called "squad depth" has not improved. The so called "playing with more control" was a myth as well.

Apart from bournemouth and sheff utd games this season, Arsenal have been average in the PL.

Yeah the 2 deflected goals vs united and City just papered over two toothless performances.

With Jesus and partey not been able to stay fit. This teams squad depth will be exposed even more.

This is on the manager and it will be a 4th season in a row without a trophy

The squad depth has indeed been exposed.

The only signings worthy of mention during the Summer were Rice and Timber but the latter has been injured.

Arteta has created a big problem with our long-term goalkeeper. I can't see Raya being signed permently with the performances that I've seen. Ramsdale might end up going to one of our rivals, like Chelsea, if we get a tasty offer of £50m+. Horrible squad and man management.

 

[Amjid Javed]

The squad depth has indeed been exposed.

The only signings worthy of mention during the Summer were Rice and Timber but the latter has been injured.

Arteta has created a big problem with our long-term goalkeeper. I can't see Raya being signed permently with the performances that I've seen. Ramsdale might end up going to one of our rivals, like Chelsea, if we get a tasty offer of £50m+. Horrible squad and man management.

Raya wasn't great again I agree. Ramsdale is decent at best. Artetas decisions with keepers has been poor.

Bigger issue right now midfield where only Rice looks top quality the rest are not good enough. God knows how havertz was kept on so long

Up front nketitah went missing again, the guys turns up against relegation teams and then goes missing

Can't see this squad finishing above city or Liverpool. At this rate even spurs may fancy finishing above Arsenal

 

[topspin]

Raya wasn't great again I agree. Ramsdale is decent at best. Artetas decisions with keepers has been poor.

Bigger issue right now midfield where only Rice looks top quality the rest are not good enough. God knows how havertz was kept on so long

Up front nketitah went missing again, the guys turns up against relegation teams and then goes missing

Can't see this squad finishing above city or Liverpool. At this rate even spurs may fancy finishing above Arsenal

Whoever negotiated Chelsea's sale of Havertz with Arsenal deserves a special pay rise.

Before the season, I predicted 2nd place finish but after Timber's injury, I said 3rd. At this stage, I'll take 4th because I see a real danger of us dropping out of the top 4 this season with the way the team is playing. Defensively the team has been solid. But the performances in midfield and upfront haven't been great. Arsenal had a lot more cutting edge and fluency in going forward. I just wonder whether a big part of this is because we've sold Xhaka and haven't found a worthy replacement. Arteta himself can't even work out who's the best option to accompany Rice and Odegaard in midfield because Havertz has looked like a championship player.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Whoever negotiated Chelsea's sale of Havertz with Arsenal deserves a special pay rise.

Before the season, I predicted 2nd place finish but after Timber's injury, I said 3rd. At this stage, I'll take 4th because I see a real danger of us dropping out of the top 4 this season with the way the team is playing. Defensively the team has been solid. But the performances in midfield and upfront haven't been great. Arsenal had a lot more cutting edge and fluency in going forward. I just wonder whether a big part of this is because we've sold Xhaka and haven't found a worthy replacement. Arteta himself can't even work out who's the best option to accompany Rice and Odegaard in midfield because Havertz has looked like a championship player.

Chelsea managed to palm off havertz, mount and kovacic. Arteta wanted mount before he wanted havertz.

Arteta also personally asked for Vieira season before. He's been given to much power in transfers and it's slapping back in face.

Nketiah will return against Burnley and get a few goals as will rest of team. Arsenal have been very poor in. Big games this season. Spurs, City, United, Chelsea and Newcastle the performances haven't been great

 

[Amjid Javed]

0 goals in 19 away games - nketitah

mamoon thinks this guy is best back up in top 6 sides

 

[Firebat]

Terrible referee performance, even worse attacking performance.

A midfield of Jorginho, Rice, Havertz has no creativity. Saka and Martinelli are down on their levels from last year, Nketiah is average. Big attacking fall off from last season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Terrible referee performance, even worse attacking performance.

A midfield of Jorginho, Rice, Havertz has no creativity. Saka and Martinelli are down on their levels from last year, Nketiah is average. Big attacking fall off from last season.

The combo of partey, xhaka, oddegard complimented each other defensively and offensively.

100% there is no balance in midfield now and even stevie wonder could see havertz is rubbish. This mess is on Arteta

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Evening all (or morning)

I want to start off by saying I'm not here to gloat, it's not my style and there are 2 clubs I really dislike (Sunderland and Man-U) so would only reserve gloating for them

I totally understand emotions are high after a loss (I'm still raging at the way we bottled it against Liverpool earlier this season) but I find the talk of corruption, scandalous etc a bit over the top

I've seen a number of references to Bruno Guimaraes and him being sent off, which btw I totally agree, it was a clear red card and really stupid from him however Havertz prior to that should have been sent off, went flying in, both feet off the ground yet somehow we ended up getting 3 bookings from that. (Which I believe is what got Bruno agitated and he did what he did, again absolutely a sending off but you can't claim it's unfair when Havertz should have went)

On to the goal, the first thing to be aware of is that the goal was given by the linesman and the referee, so when it comes to VAR, the principle is they need to find a clear reason or a clear error to not give it.
1) The ball from some angles "looks" out but you have to remember a ball is a sphere, when you look from above it's different (feel free to experiment with a football at home). Bein have also shown a graphic which showed the ball was in. Also since the linesman was happy with it, there was no conclusive evidence it was out so that was fine.
2) The foul. I don't think it was a foul, neither did Gary Neville. I think Gabriel is already stooping to head the ball and any contact from Joelinton is incidental. It is ultimately subjective, since the referee gave it on the field for it to be overturned by VAR it needs to be a significant error, which it wasn't
3) It wasn't offside. Or at least there was no evidence to show it was offside, the difficulty for VAR was to determine at exactly which point the final touch was from Joelinton. From what I could see Gordon was onside during any touches.

Now I accept I no doubt have a bias just as you guys do but I try my best to look at things objectively and be fair (Such as admitting it should have been a red for Bruno, last week against Wolves we should not have been awarded a penalty etc etc)

For me, I think the reaction of Arteta was strategic, he's managed to deflect away from his team not creating a chance and generally the chance creation of the team has dropped this season. From what I've seen (less than you guys so feel free to correct me) I think in a quest to make you more solid defensively, which he has done you have lost something from an attacking perspective. So instead of discussing that in the post match interviews he's rambled about the decision, without giving any specific reason as to what his issue with it was.

 

[hass]

Pointless going on about VAR and officials who are always rubbish.

It’s too much diversion from the failures of Arsenal’s management. Big injuries and decisions going against teams can happen.

But what does a manager have to do? Adapt and make the best use of their squad. Arteta banks on the exact same starting XI being available and lacks any Plan B or C in his system or decision-making. Look at the performances since preseason.

He has put faith in players who haven’t repaid it and ultimately that’s on him.

The situation with Partey, Jesus and Timber is unfortunate and the ball being out of play was not even double checked with any different angles or zoom. But at best what are you getting out of that game, a draw? Not good enough.

Those are in our best XI no doubt about it.

But that is three terrible domestic away performances in a row. Fluke at Chelsea, dropped a log at West Ham and bottled it in the final third at Newcastle.

My questions to Arteta are

Why was Nketiah trusted over a hat trick against bum opposition?

Why is White wasting good attacks with poor crosses?

Why is Havertz contributing nothing and showing no urgency no matter what position he gets in?

Where was the standard we have come to set last season in the final third?

And on a wider note than that..

Why was Havertz signed as an 8?
Why not try him up front like you did in his best game which was the Community Shield?
Why is this system not clicking?
Why was Ramsdale ousted for Raya?


All in all Arsenal have let themselves down again and are NOT title contenders this season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pointless going on about VAR and officials who are always rubbish.

It’s too much diversion from the failures of Arsenal’s management. Big injuries and decisions going against teams can happen.

But what does a manager have to do? Adapt and make the best use of their squad. Arteta banks on the exact same starting XI being available and lacks any Plan B or C in his system or decision-making. Look at the performances since preseason.

He has put faith in players who haven’t repaid it and ultimately that’s on him.

The situation with Partey, Jesus and Timber is unfortunate and the ball being out of play was not even double checked with any different angles or zoom. But at best what are you getting out of that game, a draw? Not good enough.

Those are in our best XI no doubt about it.

But that is three terrible domestic away performances in a row. Fluke at Chelsea, dropped a log at West Ham and bottled it in the final third at Newcastle.

My questions to Arteta are

Why was Nketiah trusted over a hat trick against bum opposition?

Why is White wasting good attacks with poor crosses?

Why is Havertz contributing nothing and showing no urgency no matter what position he gets in?

Where was the standard we have come to set last season in the final third?

And on a wider note than that..

Why was Havertz signed as an 8?
Why not try him up front like you did in his best game which was the Community Shield?
Why is this system not clicking?
Why was Ramsdale ousted for Raya?


All in all Arsenal have let themselves down again and are NOT title contenders this season.

All these questions on the manager are ones I've raised all season and last season.

There in no plan B, no in-game or squad management. Arteta is not got enough to take Arsenal to final step of winning titles

 

[IMMY69]

All these questions on the manager are ones I've raised all season and last season.

There in no plan B, no in-game or squad management. Arteta is not got enough to take Arsenal to final step of winning titles

Such utter nonsense

For gods sakes Please stop this

 

[Amjid Javed]

Such utter nonsense

For gods sakes Please stop this

Very insightful response. The fact you can't counter any of points I made says it all.

Hass, firebat, topspin have all raised points I've been going on about for ages

Yesterday defeat was coming as performances have been average most of the season

 

[hass]

All these questions on the manager are ones I've raised all season and last season.

There in no plan B, no in-game or squad management. Arteta is not got enough to take Arsenal to final step of winning titles

I’m not entirely unconvinced by Arteta and considering the unbelievable mess he inherited and eventually turned us around from he’s certainly the right man for now.

But being such a young manager there is so much for him to learn and essentially Arsenal are going on that journey with him.

So the chances of missing out on key opportunities to capitalise on what we’ve built are very possible as other teams work us out. Arsenal have to take glory here and now and are falling well short.

The Havertz decision after Xhaka wanted to go and how he’s been utilised has gone horrendously. There were players out there for cheaper that are head and shoulders above Havertz that other teams have signed and have been outstanding.

And Nketiah has not paid back the faith this season outside of that home game against a very poor Sheff Utd. He was better last season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I’m not entirely unconvinced by Arteta and considering the unbelievable mess he inherited and eventually turned us around from he’s certainly the right man for now.

But being such a young manager there is so much for him to learn and essentially Arsenal are going on that journey with him.

So the chances of missing out on key opportunities to capitalise on what we’ve built are very possible as other teams work us out. Arsenal have to take glory here and now and are falling well short.

The Havertz decision after Xhaka wanted to go and how he’s been utilised has gone horrendously. There were players out there for cheaper that are head and shoulders above Havertz that other teams have signed and have been outstanding.

And Nketiah has not paid back the faith this season outside of that home game against a very poor Sheff Utd. He was better last season.

Mess he inherited?

He took over a team which under Emery finished 1 points off top 4, got to LC and EL final.

Same inherited players that helped him win his only trophy the FA Cup


Since then he's thrown away 16 cups, bottled a EL semi, top 4 race, and a PL title.

Nearly 700M spent on 27 new players. So whats he inherited here?

Giving nketitah a new deal?

Spunking 100M+ away on havertz, Vieira and Jorginho which means no midfielder depth.

So you still trust Arteta? Tell me what we are winning this season PL? CL? Fa cup?

What fried fish is on the menu.

Trophyless season number 4 on its way.

Trust the process hey.

What phase is Eddie howe in at Newcastle? What phase is Emery in at Villa

All this phase nonsense is clubs excuse to hide behind failure. There is no winning mentality at this club and that's on the manager and owners

 

[FearlessRoar]

Arsenal have released a statement declaring their support for Mikel Arteta's post-match comments after their 1-0 defeat to Newcastle on Saturday.

Arsenal say there were "unacceptable refereeing and VAR errors" during the match

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Arsenal have released a statement declaring their support for Mikel Arteta's post-match comments after their 1-0 defeat to Newcastle on Saturday.

Arsenal say there were "unacceptable refereeing and VAR errors" during the match

In public I suppose they have to back him but you would hope from an Arsenal perspective they are making sure he isn't using this to deflect

For a side that wants to be challenging for the title that wasn't good enough offensively, and in general Arsenal haven't looked fluid in terms of attack and that's something Arteta needs to address

Blaming it on VAR is utterly strange, firstly if there was no VAR the goal would have stood and secondly if you break it down the goal was legitimate

 

[Amjid Javed]

In public I suppose they have to back him but you would hope from an Arsenal perspective they are making sure he isn't using this to deflect

For a side that wants to be challenging for the title that wasn't good enough offensively, and in general Arsenal haven't looked fluid in terms of attack and that's something Arteta needs to address

Blaming it on VAR is utterly strange, firstly if there was no VAR the goal would have stood and secondly if you break it down the goal was legitimate.

The whole Arsenal performance and VAR shambles needs to be separated into 2 conversations as they should be.

Yesterday game was poor by both sides and should have ended 0-0, neither side did anything to deserve winning a crap game

Arsenal have been average all season, I said this at start of season that Arsenal so called "depth" had not improved nor had gap between City bridged.

Apart from bournemouth, sheff utd - we have been very poor.

We've had a few solid wins vs forrest, palace and Everton.

We won two scrapyard games vs united and City on deflected goals.

The performance vs Fulham, spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle simply not good enough. This is on Arteta and he needs to go. It's funny how everyone is now just repeating what I've said all season that Arsenal have been average. So yesterday's defeat was on cards at somepoint as Arsenal luck ran out.

Now to VAR - the referees in the PL are as incompetent as they come and worst thing is no consistency. One week something is handball, next week its not. One week a push in box is a foul, next week its not. One week the ball is out, the next week its not.

In regards to the ball being out of play, it looks clearly out. Yeah the referee conviently skim around the wording of their crap rules. It's "inconclusive" that ball was out. Yet when man utd played Brighton. There was a similar incident where you could see ball was just bout still in yet was "conclusively" out according to VAR.

the wording of the bullcrap the FA come out with is hilarious and all this "clear and obvious error" is a load of nonsense aswell.

Last week we saw a gentle push from a united player vs City its a penalty. Yet a Newcastle player use 2 hands to gently push someone its not a foul (again no consistency) It was also handball

Then we had the whole, there was no angle to draw lines for offside. Again convent excuse. I'm sure the referee will get well paid next time then go and referee in Saudi league again.

The fact VAR referee pretty much make up the rules every other week is why fans get so angry. I guarantee there will be a similar type push and offside decision next week and it won't be given.

So yeah Arsenal should speak out against PGMOL as all thr FA do is make mess up after mess up and then apologies with no repercussions. Webb even came out and said Michael Oliver didn't send kovacic off in Arsenal vs City game as they did "want to spoil the game"This is exactly why Liverpool have spoken out to. Even wolves have been screwed on 4 huge decisions this season due to consistency. Incompetent and corruption at its finest with PL referees

Havertz tackle yesterday was a yellow as its trailing leg which caught the player. However he should have been sent off for a 2nd yellow in 2nd half.

Guiameres should have Been off as well, as usual they didn't even check the incident. Stuart atwell had zero control of yesterday's game and the 2nd half refereeing shambles all round wasn't a shock

Most Arteta cheer leaders are using the whole VAR incident to over look his management Incompetence

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

The whole Arsenal performance and VAR shambles needs to be separated into 2 conversations as they should be.

Yesterday game was poor by both sides and should have ended 0-0, neither side did anything to deserve winning a crap game

Arsenal have been average all season, I said this at start of season that Arsenal so called "depth" had not improved nor had gap between City bridged.

Apart from bournemouth, sheff utd - we have been very poor.

We've had a few solid wins vs forrest, palace and Everton.

We won two scrapyard games vs united and City on deflected goals.

The performance vs Fulham, spurs, Chelsea and Newcastle simply not good enough. This is on Arteta and he needs to go. It's funny how everyone is now just repeating what I've said all season that Arsenal have been average. So yesterday's defeat was on cards at somepoint as Arsenal luck ran out.

Now to VAR - the referees in the PL are as incompetent as they come and worst thing is no consistency. One week something is handball, next week its not. One week a push in box is a foul, next week its not. One week the ball is out, the next week its not.

In regards to the ball being out of play, it looks clearly out. Yeah the referee conviently skim around the wording of their crap rules. It's "inconclusive" that ball was out. Yet when man utd played Brighton. There was a similar incident where you could see ball was just bout still in yet was "conclusively" out according to VAR.

the wording of the bullcrap the FA come out with is hilarious and all this "clear and obvious error" is a load of nonsense aswell.

Last week we saw a gentle push from a united player vs City its a penalty. Yet a Newcastle player use 2 hands to gently push someone its not a foul (again no consistency) It was also handball

Then we had the whole, there was no angle to draw lines for offside. Again convent excuse. I'm sure the referee will get well paid next time then go and referee in Saudi league again.

The fact VAR referee pretty much make up the rules every other week is why fans get so angry. I guarantee there will be a similar type push and offside decision next week and it won't be given.

So yeah Arsenal should speak out against PGMOL as all thr FA do is make mess up after mess up and then apologies with no repercussions. Webb even came out and said Michael Oliver didn't send kovacic off in Arsenal vs City game as they did "want to spoil the game"This is exactly why Liverpool have spoken out to. Even wolves have been screwed on 4 huge decisions this season due to consistency. Incompetent and corruption at its finest with PL referees

Havertz tackle yesterday was a yellow as its trailing leg which caught the player. However he should have been sent off for a 2nd yellow in 2nd half.

Guiameres should have Been off as well, as usual they didn't even check the incident. Stuart atwell had zero control of yesterday's game and the 2nd half refereeing shambles all round wasn't a shock

Most Arteta cheer leaders are using the whole VAR incident to over look his management Incompetence

In response to the VAR

Ball out of play - It may look out from a certain angle but you have to remember a ball is spherical, so from a birds eye view it will be in. Bein even showed that it was in. The linesman felt it was in so unless they could prove it was definitely out they shouldn't disallow it so VAR was correct in that aspect of it.

I accept that there is inconsistency in the league but you will get that because ultimately it's technology operated by humans. We shouldn't lose out on a goal because Man-U had one incorrectly disallowed, doesn't quite work like that

Foul - For me it wasn't a foul, Gabriel was already stopping to head it, the contact from Joelinton made no difference. To support my stance Gabriel didn't even complain about the foul, he was telling the referee the ball was out. If he was pushed then why didn't he make it clear to the referee the way Rodri did

Handball - With all due respect the fact you are mentioning handball tells me you are being emotional about it (which I understand as losing is never a good feeling). The handball law does not apply in this case.

Offside - How is it a convenient excuse? You've seen the footage, can you say with certainty at what point the final contact was with Joelinton? If not, what do you expect the officials to do? Just not give it. They need conclusive evidence to overturn the onside decision give on the field. From what I could see Gordon was behind the ball from what appears to be the final touch.

Havertz - Conveniently the decision that worked in your favour was correct, how funny. Both feet were off the ground, there was no attempt to win the ball. It was reckless and a clear red card.

Bruno - He should have been sent off, was a clear red card but you are mistaken, they did check it, so not sure why you are saying otherwise. They just made the wrong decision. I suspect they let him off because they know deep down they got the Havertz one wrong.

I will agree with you about Atwell, he lost control of the game, especially with that Havertz incident. It was one thing not sending Havertz off but he compounded things by booking 3 of our players. How on earth does Havertz put in a reckless tackle and we end up with 3 bookings.

From that moment the nastiness in the game increased and Bruno started playing like a man wanting to hurt someone. All because the ref lost control.

I just find the reaction from Arteta to be utterly pathetic (especially when you consider his statement about officials only a month ago) and then the club add to it. All over a goal which was hardly a howler.

Wolves have a legitimate case to complain, they got shafted against Man-U, they got shafted against us and then even yesterday. They've had big decisions go against them.

Arsenal and Arteta are just being sore lovers.

 

[MenInG]

On VAR

Pretty clear ball was out of pla

 

[Amjid Javed]

In response to the VAR

Ball out of play - It may look out from a certain angle but you have to remember a ball is spherical, so from a birds eye view it will be in. Bein even showed that it was in. The linesman felt it was in so unless they could prove it was definitely out they shouldn't disallow it so VAR was correct in that aspect of it.

I accept that there is inconsistency in the league but you will get that because ultimately it's technology operated by humans. We shouldn't lose out on a goal because Man-U had one incorrectly disallowed, doesn't quite work like that

Foul - For me it wasn't a foul, Gabriel was already stopping to head it, the contact from Joelinton made no difference. To support my stance Gabriel didn't even complain about the foul, he was telling the referee the ball was out. If he was pushed then why didn't he make it clear to the referee the way Rodri did

Handball - With all due respect the fact you are mentioning handball tells me you are being emotional about it (which I understand as losing is never a good feeling). The handball law does not apply in this case.

Offside - How is it a convenient excuse? You've seen the footage, can you say with certainty at what point the final contact was with Joelinton? If not, what do you expect the officials to do? Just not give it. They need conclusive evidence to overturn the onside decision give on the field. From what I could see Gordon was behind the ball from what appears to be the final touch.

Havertz - Conveniently the decision that worked in your favour was correct, how funny. Both feet were off the ground, there was no attempt to win the ball. It was reckless and a clear red card.

Bruno - He should have been sent off, was a clear red card but you are mistaken, they did check it, so not sure why you are saying otherwise. They just made the wrong decision. I suspect they let him off because they know deep down they got the Havertz one wrong.

I will agree with you about Atwell, he lost control of the game, especially with that Havertz incident. It was one thing not sending Havertz off but he compounded things by booking 3 of our players. How on earth does Havertz put in a reckless tackle and we end up with 3 bookings.

From that moment the nastiness in the game increased and Bruno started playing like a man wanting to hurt someone. All because the ref lost control.

I just find the reaction from Arteta to be utterly pathetic (especially when you consider his statement about officials only a month ago) and then the club add to it. All over a goal which was hardly a howler.

Wolves have a legitimate case to complain, they got shafted against Man-U, they got shafted against us and then even yesterday. They've had big decisions go against them.

Arsenal and Arteta are just being sore lovers.

Oh so "Bein sports" showed a so called video of the ball still been in play? We all know Richard keys and Andy gray are anti-arsenal as they come. So I don't belive any of the nonsense they shoe on that channel. There are plenty of other videos and pics showing ball was out.

Same bein sports said it was a foul and offside as well. So how come you don't mention that?

So the handball rule doesn't apply if someone uses it to control ball and it leads to a goal. Another stupid rule. Also players can now go around using 2 hands in the back of players.

The offside look clear offside as well, again the whole they cudnt draw lines was load of rubbish, let's see if they release the Audio.

In regards to havertz it was a silly challenge and he caught him with his trailing leg, huge difference to if he had caught him with the lead leg then yeah it would have been a red card. I also said he should have been sent in 2nd half anyways so not sure where your getting this "conviently suited arsenal" nonsense from

Yeah your players were rightly booked, your whole response has been on the "laws of the game" Well if players are going to push and shove and ask ref to brandish cards, they rightly got booked as well.

I don't like Arteta, but he's right on PGMOL

Last season vs united - apology after the game for disallowed Martinelli game

Last season vs Brentford - apology after game as they didn't draw lines for offside

Both cost Arsenal points

This season the FA then apologised for not sending Kovacic off in City vs Arsenal game so how is that being sore losers?

Webb also said Arsenal should have had a penalty vs chelsea which wasnt even reviewed for sanchez foul on Gabriel.

When it's the most Apologies the FA have put out to 1 club? 4 apologies near enough in last 12 months

Lets see your reaction when you get screwed over by VAR and I hope it happens in important games and costs you a cup or something important in the league.

My whole point on this is referees are **** and incompetent and inconsistent. Since Webb has taken over its just got worse. Every week their is an apology to someone, then the next week the make the complete opposite decision on similar incidents.

In regards to the loss. Like I said it was coming as Arsenal have been poor 80% plus this season. So I see the whole Arsenal loss and VAR referees being incompetent as two separate things.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It seems some people don't quite understand how a sphere works but here is a small video which demonstrates it quite well (excuse the profanity in the tweet)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720934581598085244

 

[Amjid Javed]

It seems some people don't quite understand how a sphere works but here is a small video which demonstrates it quite well (excuse the profanity in the tweet)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720934581598085244

are you still trying to explain this? It's done. You think it's in, others think it's out.

It's done. It's not going to change the incompetence of PL Referees.

It's just like FA Referees don't understand if a player kicks fresh air and a Newcastle player falls over, its not a penalty

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Oh so "Bein sports" showed a so called video of the ball still been in play? We all know Richard keys and Andy gray are anti-arsenal as they come. So I don't belive any of the nonsense they shoe on that channel. There are plenty of other videos and pics showing ball was out.

Yes, they showed it was still in play, if you want to claim they have something against Arsenal then unfortunately I can't help with your wild conspiracy theory. Their footage along with the video demonstration I shared, I'm happy that the ball was in play and therefore it was correct.

Same bein sports said it was a foul and offside as well. So how come you don't mention that?

I didn't mention Bein and the foul because the foul is a subjective call, so ultimately it's irrelevant to this discussion. Since you raise it, yes Gray thinks it was a foul and you think it was a foul. However Neville doesn't think it was a foul, Gabriel doesn't think it was a foul, I don't think it was a foul and there are Arsenal fans that also don't think it was a foul. Though there are some Newcastle fans that do think it was a foul. Do you know what this proves when you have such a mixed response? It proves that it wasn't a howler. How can it be a howler when people are split on it (and not split based on loyalties). This was a subjective call, the ref didn't think it was a foul and it wasn't a clear decision to overturn

So the handball rule doesn't apply if someone uses it to control ball and it leads to a goal. Another stupid rule. Also players can now go around using 2 hands in the back of players.

I think you need to learn the handball law, I don't mean to be condescending but it's clear you don't understand it. The handball law was actually amended, the first one was ridiculous and this one is an improvement. I still think it can be improved further but there was no basis to disallow the goal based on handball.

The offside look clear offside as well, again the whole they cudnt draw lines was load of rubbish, let's see if they release the Audio.

The offside looked clear? You are the only person making that claim. I've not seen anyone else whilst watching the footage make that claim. Show me an image of the point Gordon was offside and where contact was made with Joelinton?

In regards to havertz it was a silly challenge and he caught him with his trailing leg, huge difference to if he had caught him with the lead leg then yeah it would have been a red card. I also said he should have been sent in 2nd half anyways so not sure where your getting this "conviently suited arsenal" nonsense from

He actually catches him slightly with his leading leg and then with the follow through. For a tackle to be deemed reckless contact is not always necessary. He should have been sent off at that moment, not at the 2nd half. The 2 biggest errors in the game were the failure to send off Havertz and the failure to send off Bruno. The Havertz one happened first and set the tone for the game.

Yeah your players were rightly booked, your whole response has been on the "laws of the game" Well if players are going to push and shove and ask ref to brandish cards, they rightly got booked as well.

Not a single one of our players pushed the ref, they were rightly annoyed by the horrible tackle. So then when the Arsenal team surrounded the referee to try and get our goal chalked off claiming the ball was out, why weren't any of them booked?

I don't like Arteta, but he's right on PGMOL

He really isn't. He's just being a sore loser. It's funny, when he was asked about referees after the Spurs-Liverpool debacle his opinion was very different to yesterday.

Last season vs united - apology after the game for disallowed Martinelli game

Yes that was a mistake

Last season vs Brentford - apology after game as they didn't draw lines for offside

Yes that was a mistake

Both cost Arsenal points

Agreed

This season the FA then apologised for not sending Kovacic off in City vs Arsenal game so how is that being sore losers?

Kovacic should have been sent off but you won that game so the sore loser point is irrelevant

Webb also said Arsenal should have had a penalty vs chelsea which wasnt even reviewed for sanchez foul on Gabriel.

Don't remember this incident but if they admitted it then it's clearly a mistake

When it's the most Apologies the FA have put out to 1 club? 4 apologies near enough in last 12 months

I've not kept count of the apologies but all clubs have had poor decisions against them. Wolves have had 3 this season, they've had 2 in the last week and Gary O'Neil has behaved with a lot more decorum than Arteta

Lets see your reaction when you get screwed over by VAR and I hope it happens in important games and costs you a cup or something important in the league.

We got an apology last season (we were denied a win against Palace) and there were a number of other instances which were broadly as accepted as being wrong. It's a bit strange you are hoping for a VAR mistake against us, it's actually quite petty. I don't want any clubs to be on the wrong end of a mistake, I felt sorry for Wolves last week because we shouldn't have had that penalty. I just don't think yesterday was a mistake of that magnitude to warrant the response of Arteta.

My whole point on this is referees are **** and incompetent and inconsistent. Since Webb has taken over its just got worse. Every week their is an apology to someone, then the next week the make the complete opposite decision on similar incidents.

I actually don't disagree with this, I think there is an inconsistency and the standard of refereeing has dropped. I don't believe they have adopted the use of VAR very well and further training needs to be done. I just don't think they are out to get a specific club.

In regards to the loss. Like I said it was coming as Arsenal have been poor 80% plus this season. So I see the whole Arsenal loss and VAR referees being incompetent as two separate things.

The problem is the way Arteta has reacted he has deflected away from the performance and the loss. This is very similar to how Mourinho would behave. Personally, I would never want Eddie Howe to react the way Arteta did, it's one thing to say the referee was poor and that in general they need to improve etc, his rant was just absurd. The fact he couldn't pinpoint what his issue was with the goal spoke volumes, sounds like he was just upset that we scored. Then he glossed over the Havertz tackle, as if it had no bearing on the game.

My issue is people are making it sound like we were gifted the game and that's just unfair. In terms of attacking quality the game wasn't great but it was a physical battle (further heightened by the Havertz tackle) and two good defensive displays. Ultimately your defence switched off and we capitalised with in my opinion a perfectly valid goal. I have no issue if people want to say it shouldn't be a goal for the foul (it is subjective after all), I just take issue with it being a robbery.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

are you still trying to explain this? It's done. You think it's in, others think it's out.

It's done. It's not going to change the incompetence of PL Referees.

It's just like FA Referees don't understand if a player kicks fresh air and a Newcastle player falls over, its not a penalty

I'm explaining it because it needs explaining, the images you and those claiming it was out are seeing are not an accurate representation of what happened

Of the 3 checks, the only one that can have some validity is if you deem it to be a foul. Which I've proven isn't clear cut either way because on my side there is Neville, Gabriel, referee, myself and some Arsenal fans (hell, there is even some Sunderland fans that don't think it was a foul), so the goal being given was the correct outcome as it isn't a howler.

 

[topspin]

It seems some people don't quite understand how a sphere works but here is a small video which demonstrates it quite well (excuse the profanity in the tweet)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720934581598085244

The problem is if you had a linesman on the other side of the pitch, he would've ruled it as a goal kick based on the view they have of the ball. Unless the ball is next to their feet, none of them have this bird's eye view you see here.

The problem is how far over does the ball need to be over the line for it to be "conclusive"? This is where it ends up getting a bit messy.

I might sound like someone with my Arsenal hat but I would never expect that goal to be given even if this was scored by my team because it just doesn't feel right. I wouldn't want to see Arsenal win a game with that kind of refereeing.

We don't hear about it enough because referees are heavily protected from criticism, whether it be from managers or TV pundits but the bottom line is the Premier League has the most incompetent referees in Europe.

 

[Firebat]

Arsenal are ready to offer England defender Ben White a substantial pay rise as they look to tie the 26-year-old down to a new and improved contract at the club. (Football Insider)

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

The problem is if you had a linesman on the other side of the pitch, he would've ruled it as a goal kick based on the view they have of the ball. Unless the ball is next to their feet, none of them have this bird's eye view you see here.

There was a linesman, admittedly he was on the far side but his judgement call was that the ball was in
For VAR to overturn it there needs to be a clear evidence that the ball wasn't in. Since the bein cameras showed the ball was in they obviously didn't have that clear evidence so they rightly stuck with the on field decision.

The problem is how far over does the ball need to be over the line for it to be "conclusive"? This is where it ends up getting a bit messy.

It needs to be over by enough of the eye to notice. I accept the margins are so fine that you aren't going to always get it right. Even in this game we saw towards the end Arsenal get a corner even though the ball hadn't crossed the line. If Arsenal scored from that would Arteta have been bothered?

I might sound like someone with my Arsenal hat but I would never expect that goal to be given even if this was scored by my team because it just doesn't feel right. I wouldn't want to see Arsenal win a game with that kind of refereeing.

I've highlighted that there are 3 aspects to that goal. We can dismiss 1 and 3 immediately since the ball was in and it wasn't offside. The contention is around 2, which is the foul. There isn't unanimous agreement that it was a foul. There are enough non-NUFC fans that don't think it was a foul. Even Gabriel didn't contest the foul, he was trying to get the referee to check it was out, so even if he didn't think it was a foul, he realises he got it wrong.

With that said, it's not a howler or a clear mistake so I genuinely was not bothered we won with that goal because I thought it was legitimate. I felt way more guilty about our goal against Wolves last week, that shouldn't have been a penalty and that could prove to be costly to Wolves, who also got a bad decision yesterday so I feel for them and their manager.

We don't hear about it enough because referees are heavily protected from criticism, whether it be from managers or TV pundits but the bottom line is the Premier League has the most incompetent referees in Europe.

I don't disagree with this, I do think the standard of refereeing needs to improve. I just take issue with people making it out like yesterday was so bad against Arsenal when that wasn't the case and also I take issue with some people insinuating it is corruption.

 

[MenInG]

Done dusted - NUFC won

Arsenal cannot rely on marginal decisions.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal are ready to offer England defender Ben White a substantial pay rise as they look to tie the 26-year-old down to a new and improved contract at the club. (Football Insider)

Pay rise? He's been awful this season. Playing like pat butcher from East enders

 

[Extra_Cover]

I simply loved the presser by Arteta. It shows how serious Arteta are with marginal decisions that carry huge implications in a long seasons. Losing due to players on field is different but losing due to incompetence of people in charge of technology is simply not on and frankly a disgrace. Imagine at the end of the season the 2 points lost is the difference between winning and losing the streak. This would effectively mean a guy who has nothing to do with football other than to watch cameras has ridiculed the entire year long effort by Arsenal that has gone into league.

I'm simply astonished how that goal stood, its simply miraculous. The ball being out of play or offside that has gone against Arsenal simply on basis of "judgement" of people behind camera. Imagine you are working for a company and trying to pitch an idea to introduce technology and then say on some elements although we have technology we would apply our human judgement. What shambles. I'm more concerned about the so-called TV referee clearly failing to spot an obvious 2 handed push on the back of Gabriel. Almost everyone post game agrees that the shove was a foul but guess what the TV referee didn't even asked the on field referee to take a look at the screen for this foul. Simply amazing how basic football rules even with help of technology are being missed. How incompetent one has to be for this.

Overall I would like Arteta and Arsenal football club to not drop the intensity on this one and ensure the on field referee along with TV referees are not part taking in any further games until this issue is completely addressed.

 

[Technics 1210]

Odd on Arteta getting the sack are 200/1…I’ll take that.

 

[Mamoon]

@Amjid Javed @topspin

I can understand your joy at seeing Arsenal lose but this was daylight robbery. Arsenal were clearly the better side and deserved a point if not all three.

The refereeing in this league is an absolute joke. I completely disagree with the explanations and justifications. It is not a black and white situation. It is complete robbery.

Nonetheless, these things happen in football. Hopefully Arsenal can be on the right side of VAR robbery this time. Liverpool getting humiliated at Luton and escaping with a fluke draw is as bad as a loss because you can’t be dropping points at Luton, so in the context of the situation this result wasn’t too bad. It could have been worse.

Odd on Arteta getting the sack are 200/1…I’ll take that.

People like you have been predicting Arteta to be sacked since 2020 and quoting odds but you are wrong as usual. He is not going anywhere. Please sit down.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@Amjid Javed @topspin

I can understand your joy at seeing Arsenal lose but this was daylight robbery. Arsenal were clearly the better side and deserved a point if not all three.

The refereeing in this league is an absolute joke. I completely disagree with the explanations and justifications. It is not a black and white situation. It is complete robbery.

Nonetheless, these things happen in football. Hopefully Arsenal can be on the right side of VAR robbery this time. Liverpool getting humiliated at Luton and escaping with a fluke draw is as bad as a loss because you can’t be dropping points at Luton, so in the context of the situation this result wasn’t too bad. It could have been worse.



People like you have been predicting Arteta to be sacked since 2020 and quoting odds but you are wrong as usual. He is not going anywhere. Please sit down.

Arsenal the better side, try taking your underpants off your head when you watch games, utter nonsense again. 1 shot on target all game and Arsenal were better team?

Where was "best back up striker" nketitah? Nowhere to be seen.

Havertz’s and Jorginho ran around like headless chickens.

Usual poor reactive subs from fraudeta, both him and you are being exposed for the clueless pair of that you are.

Bringing up Liverpool to deflect attention, pathetic. Loser mentality.

 

[topspin]

@Amjid Javed @topspin

I can understand your joy at seeing Arsenal lose but this was daylight robbery. Arsenal were clearly the better side and deserved a point if not all three.

No I've been more supportive of Arsenal than you'll ever be. This is evident by your disrespect of one of the team's best players when you referred to Martinelli as a "brain dead chicken".

 

[Amjid Javed]

No I've been more supportive of Arsenal than you'll ever be. This is evident by your disrespect of one of the team's best players when you referred to Martinelli as a "brain dead chicken".

@Mamoon

Havertz 1 charity goal in 17 games

Nketiah 0 goals in 19 PL away games

 

[IAJ]

Arsenal is a poor side without our Norwegian star, Martin! You miss him badly. At least he has a few attempts on target. And if Leeds reject Nketiah is your best striker, then just forget the PL title. Is Gabriel Jesus injured?

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I simply loved the presser by Arteta. It shows how serious Arteta are with marginal decisions that carry huge implications in a long seasons. Losing due to players on field is different but losing due to incompetence of people in charge of technology is simply not on and frankly a disgrace. Imagine at the end of the season the 2 points lost is the difference between winning and losing the streak. This would effectively mean a guy who has nothing to do with football other than to watch cameras has ridiculed the entire year long effort by Arsenal that has gone into league.

Except the decision with regards to the goal was correct. The big call the officials got wrong was not sending off Bruno and not sending off Havertz (twice he should have went)

Also, slight correction, it's 1 point you lost. It was 0-0 until that goal went in and let's be fair here you didn't look like scoring all night. Pope had one save to make and that was an easy one for him. In general I agree the stakes are high so officials need to improve, this game isn't the one for Arteta to lose the plot like he did

I'm simply astonished how that goal stood, its simply miraculous. The ball being out of play or offside that has gone against Arsenal simply on basis of "judgement" of people behind camera. Imagine you are working for a company and trying to pitch an idea to introduce technology and then say on some elements although we have technology we would apply our human judgement. What shambles. I'm more concerned about the so-called TV referee clearly failing to spot an obvious 2 handed push on the back of Gabriel. Almost everyone post game agrees that the shove was a foul but guess what the TV referee didn't even asked the on field referee to take a look at the screen for this foul. Simply amazing how basic football rules even with help of technology are being missed. How incompetent one has to be for this.

You're astonished because it's the emotion of losing (I've been there, numerous times). I've explained earlier on step by step why the goal stood and rightly so. The idea it was a robbery is ridiculous, see below a good review of it

The VAR Review: Was Arsenal anger over Newcastle's goal justified?

What happened with Newcastle United's winning goal against Arsenal, plus possible red cards for Kai Havertz and Bruno Guinares, and Manchester United's disallowed goal.

www.espn.com

Overall I would like Arteta and Arsenal football club to not drop the intensity on this one and ensure the on field referee along with TV referees are not part taking in any further games until this issue is completely addressed.

I personally would not want my club to obsess over it in this way, especially as you look silly since there wasn't anything major wrong with the goal. It's not like the way Liverpool had their goal disallowed, that was farcical. Asking for an official to be removed is childish unless you can prove he genuinely has something against Arsenal. Otherwise you'll just want any official that doesn't give you favourable decisions to be removed.

Arteta needs to focus his energy on getting the team clicking again, last season you were very fluid and a real attacking threat. You have the players for it, whatever tactical change he has made hasn't worked from an attacking point of view.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

@Amjid Javed @topspin

I can understand your joy at seeing Arsenal lose but this was daylight robbery. Arsenal were clearly the better side and deserved a point if not all three.

I'm not going to go over the goal and why it rightly stood, the explanations are there but I believe emotion is clouding people's judgement

I want to know why you deserved all 3 points? Prior to our goal, it was an even game and prior to our goal it was an even game where I felt a draw was a fair result

 

[MK7Z]

Where do I start for Saturday.

I would just like to point out that this is what it ACTUALLY looks like when Odegaard is missing. So people who claim that he ghosts games etc hopefully now realise that he is our best creative player and without him we are toothless. Yes in big games he does not perform his best but I guarantee you this - WE ARE BETTER WITH HIM IN THE TEAM.
The alternatives are nowhere near the standard and that is on Arteta.

I keep harping on about him falling on the Havertz sword. 60 Million could have been spent so much better. Eddie with no away goals and 19 in 100 appearances is not good enough. Again thats Mikel's decision to have him as our backup striker.

The wingers were poor. Martinelli was ok. Zinchenko was dead when he came on. I actually dont think we defended badly. Saliba was immense and so was Rice.

Dont want to waste my energy on the refs but Bruno not being shown a red card and the goal itself being allowed is a tough one to take. We did not play well enough to win the game but neither did newcastle who just came to rough up Arsenal and the ref let them.

Just wait till you hear the audio for the goal. I am hearing it goes along the words of

"There's two hands on Gabriel's back but we can't be sure it's a push...There's no conclusive evidence whether Gordan is behind the ball.Stick with onfield decision"

"The ball looks out but we can't possibly give it from that angle"

"He's not used his arm as a weapon, it's not nice but no more than a yellow card"

They also checked for handball leading to the goal.

But as we know the refs are poor beyond imagination.

We should have played better but its there to see without the captain , Partey and Jesus we are not fluent.

Seville next and take a step into the knockout round if the other result goes a certain way.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I simply loved the presser by Arteta. It shows how serious Arteta are with marginal decisions that carry huge implications in a long seasons. Losing due to players on field is different but losing due to incompetence of people in charge of technology is simply not on and frankly a disgrace. Imagine at the end of the season the 2 points lost is the difference between winning and losing the streak. This would effectively mean a guy who has nothing to do with football other than to watch cameras has ridiculed the entire year long effort by Arsenal that has gone into league.

I'm simply astonished how that goal stood, its simply miraculous. The ball being out of play or offside that has gone against Arsenal simply on basis of "judgement" of people behind camera. Imagine you are working for a company and trying to pitch an idea to introduce technology and then say on some elements although we have technology we would apply our human judgement. What shambles. I'm more concerned about the so-called TV referee clearly failing to spot an obvious 2 handed push on the back of Gabriel. Almost everyone post game agrees that the shove was a foul but guess what the TV referee didn't even asked the on field referee to take a look at the screen for this foul. Simply amazing how basic football rules even with help of technology are being missed. How incompetent one has to be for this.

Overall I would like Arteta and Arsenal football club to not drop the intensity on this one and ensure the on field referee along with TV referees are not part taking in any further games until this issue is completely addressed.

The more replays you watch the more you can see that Gabriel is fouled, player behind him made no attempt to win the ball, simply used to hands to lean on Gabriel.

So now this is classified as "not a foul" every player should be able to use two hands in the back of players back in the penalty box.

The fact that atwell didn't give it as foul shows what a poor referee he is.

Anyways this is my last comment on it, its done now.

Move on to next game and wait for next VAR mess up and apology to Arsenal

 

[Amjid Javed]

A lot of the Arteta fan boys and so called "positive brigade" keep using the excuses that the lack of fluidity is because Arsenal haven't had strongest possible 11 out most of season.

These lame excuses need to stop, Fraudeta has had plenty of time to address the team structure and squad depth.

Gabriel Jesus and Thomas partey are both injury liabilities and can't stay fit for long enough periods in a PL season.

Also it's clearly obvious that Arteta made Partey his main scapegoat for last season title collapse and that's why he started using him at RB at end of last season and start of this one. It's also why Partey wants to leave.

Yes Jesus and partey in side would help massively, but I can already see that partey-rice-oddegard will not be used for more than 10 PL games this season because of parteys poor fitness, him being at Afcons and Arteta by design not picking partey in that midfield 3.

Xhaka gave Arsenal balance defensively and offensively last season. Havertz, Vieira are not good enough for that role and ESR can't stay fit.

Same goes for Jesus, which means nketitah playing more games then he should.

The current team is ok when strongest 11 is there or one or two changes are made. When these so called depth players have to play longer they get found out. That's on manager, but so many of Arteta cheerleaders are scared to call manager out because they think they will be called a fake fan.

We've seen woeful performances in the lens, seville (lucky to win game,), Chelsea, West ham and Newcastle recently. That's due to poor squad quality and rotation

Anyone thinking that come April time with fixtures we have (last 9 games) this team is going to click when it's shown no evidence so far this season are seriously deluding themselves.

Let's see excuse when it's trophyless season number 4

 

[KingKhanWC]

From a neutrals perspective, once the refs gives a goal, it has to be clear to overturn, which wasnt the case. I have no issue with the goal standing.

Newcastle were the better team for me just... more energy, more desire and excellent control of the pitch. A draw maybe the fair result.

Arteta ranting was hilarious, this is the same man who stated we should accept officials blah blah when LFC were denied a clear goal, a clear mistake via VAR and offside. I think knowing his tactics were again poor, the team lacks firepower upfront, he used this to rant so hard to take the criticism off him.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Wait till Audio is released from Newcastle vs Arsenal and you will see how incompetent they are

The comments from guiameres incident are a disgraceful.

Also from Audio of the ball being out, the referee are heard saying the ball looks out. Incompetence at its highest

 

[Amjid Javed]

From a neutrals perspective, once the refs gives a goal, it has to be clear to overturn, which wasnt the case. I have no issue with the goal standing.

Newcastle were the better team for me just... more energy, more desire and excellent control of the pitch. A draw maybe the fair result.

Arteta ranting was hilarious, this is the same man who stated we should accept officials blah blah when LFC were denied a clear goal, a clear mistake via VAR and offside. I think knowing his tactics were again poor, the team lacks firepower upfront, he used this to rant so hard to take the criticism off him.

You need to work on your attempting trolling, take some pointers from mamoon if you are unsure.