Arsenal FC | 2024/25 Season

[Amjid Javed]

Every team gets injuries, suspension. This is where the manager / head coach earns their money through squad Management and also will expose any gaps in the squad.

For all those in face rating this transfer window 8s and 9s out of 10, will be someone's saying the squad lacks depth later.

Each of the last 4 trophyless seasons has been due to the managers inability to use the squad effectively are various critical parts of the season.

We will see in the next week how good this actual squad is and whether manager usual failings are still there.

TW is closed now so certain losers can't use the FFP, PSR, City have more money to spend excuse. I'm sure new excuses will be rolled out.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Spurs will be a tough game now without our 1st choice midfield.

But our defense is better, our attack is better and our midfield is weakened no doubt however are we really saying that Bissouma and Sarr are going to be levels ahead of whatever midfield combo we go with?

Weekends game will depend on how clinical we are in front of goal. Last seasons game we didn't actually play that well at Spurs, we just punished Spurs for their nonexistent defending. Are away performances defensively have generally been good. Whilst the spurs midfield may look inferior. The lack of mobility of jorghino and Partey not been as good as he use to be means can we control the game in middle but also deal with spurs midfield runners.

Partey and jorghino being depended on for a few games here in their is fine, but it will end up with both playing more games then they should be this season. The lack properly strengthing midfield will be exposed.

Either Zinchenko or havertz in midfield just exposes lack of depth in squad. It's all good having players who on paper can play in multiple positions, but when they are good enough in certain positions, again it exposes the squad.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Weekends game will depend on how clinical we are in front of goal. Last seasons game we didn't actually play that well at Spurs, we just punished Spurs for their nonexistent defending. Are away performances defensively have generally been good. Whilst the spurs midfield may look inferior. The lack of mobility of jorghino and Partey not been as good as he use to be means can we control the game in middle but also deal with spurs midfield runners.

Partey and jorghino being depended on for a few games here in their is fine, but it will end up with both playing more games then they should be this season. The lack properly strengthing midfield will be exposed.

Either Zinchenko or havertz in midfield just exposes lack of depth in squad. It's all good having players who on paper can play in multiple positions, but when they are good enough in certain positions, again it exposes the squad.

What will be the starting XI v spurs ?

 

[Amjid Javed]

What will be the starting XI v spurs ?

Raya,
white, saliba, Gabriel, timber
Jorginho, partey ???
Saka / ??? / ???

Those are guaranteed to start, then it depends if Arteta starts with havertz upfront or goes into usual spastic mode and puts him back in Midfield.

Martinelli was rightly dropped for Brighton , but trossard was poor starting.

So rest of line up is a lottery. With 3 big away games in a week we will see if all the talk about trusting young players like nwaneri was all talk or actual facts from Arteta.

Arsenal can't afford to lose on Sunday, espcially with City being next away game.

 

[MK7Z]

Every team gets injuries, suspension. This is where the manager / head coach earns their money through squad Management and also will expose any gaps in the squad.

For all those in face rating this transfer window 8s and 9s out of 10, will be someone's saying the squad lacks depth later.

Each of the last 4 trophyless seasons has been due to the managers inability to use the squad effectively are various critical parts of the season.

We will see in the next week how good this actual squad is and whether manager usual failings are still there.

TW is closed now so certain losers can't use the FFP, PSR, City have more money to spend excuse. I'm sure new excuses will be rolled out.

Transfer window was never anything better than a 6 out of 10. We sold deadwood but did not upgrade and there lies the issue.

Neglect from all involved along with Kroenke's resorting to type now they get UCL money

 

[MK7Z]

Weekends game will depend on how clinical we are in front of goal. Last seasons game we didn't actually play that well at Spurs, we just punished Spurs for their nonexistent defending. Are away performances defensively have generally been good. Whilst the spurs midfield may look inferior. The lack of mobility of jorghino and Partey not been as good as he use to be means can we control the game in middle but also deal with spurs midfield runners.

Partey and jorghino being depended on for a few games here in their is fine, but it will end up with both playing more games then they should be this season. The lack properly strengthing midfield will be exposed.

Either Zinchenko or havertz in midfield just exposes lack of depth in squad. It's all good having players who on paper can play in multiple positions, but when they are good enough in certain positions, again it exposes the squad.

Zinchenko should be nowhere near the starting 11. Unfortunately it'll be Havertz in midfield with Jesus up top. Sterling may play a part to.

I'd like Arteta to maybe try something different. A back 5 if Califiori is fit and timber inverting and covering midfield.

Who knows eh... Somehow need to get 4 points out of these 2 games and patch up after. Spurs is probably the more chance of winning for us than City

 

[IMMY69]

I'm confident we'll come away with three points this Sunday.

This would be my starting 11:-

Raya
White Saliba Gabriel Timber
Partey Jorghino (Califiori)
Saka Jesus Martinelli
Have It

 

[Amjid Javed]

Zinchenko should be nowhere near the starting 11. Unfortunately it'll be Havertz in midfield with Jesus up top. Sterling may play a part to.

I'd like Arteta to maybe try something different. A back 5 if Califiori is fit and timber inverting and covering midfield.

Who knows eh... Somehow need to get 4 points out of these 2 games and patch up after. Spurs is probably the more chance of winning for us than City

Manager still trusts Zinchenko and Jesus when even stevie wonder can see they are liabilities, so both probably will start. I doubt we will get any wild experiments.

As far as another cheerleader pinpointing the villa and Fulham games as to where title was "lost"

The fact we lost 4 games in 1st 20 PL games was mainly issue. Vast majority of dropped points were due to havertz being in midfield or arteta experimenting using Vieira (fulham at home) or even trossad there (west ham at home)

So if arteta repeats same again with poor midfield selections it will be more dropped points.

Arsenal need 4 points from next 2 games indeed.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I'm confident we'll come away with three points this Sunday.

This would be my starting 11:-

Raya
White Saliba Gabriel Timber
Partey Jorghino (Califiori)
Saka Jesus Martinelli
Have It

Your starting 11, where uve named 12 players

 

[Amjid Javed]

Transfer window was never anything better than a 6 out of 10. We sold deadwood but did not upgrade and there lies the issue.

Neglect from all involved along with Kroenke's resorting to type now they get UCL money

Unless fans do what they did after losing the league cup final to man city (under wenger 3-0) and the following few matched 10,000 to 15,000 didn't turn up and kronkes started to be hit in the pocket then there will be no change.

No team had ever been successful over a sustained period of time using a "self sustaining model"

But sadly you get fans who roll out stuff like

Kronkes are protecting us from points deductions from PSR

Kronkes are running Arsenal well as a business

Kronkes have heavily invested since full ownership

Kronkes took a personal loan during covid to help the club

When vast majority of fan base don't have the decency to call our the owners. They will keep behaving the same.

Along as Arteta makes top 4 his job is safe.

As I've always said no accountability FC

Kronkes will keep hiking ticket prices, more U.S tours and more merchandise.

Arsenal is a brand rather than a football club now, sadly a lot of clubs behave like this.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Raya,
white, saliba, Gabriel, timber
Jorginho, partey ???
Saka / ??? / ???

Those are guaranteed to start, then it depends if Arteta starts with havertz upfront or goes into usual spastic mode and puts him back in Midfield.

Martinelli was rightly dropped for Brighton , but trossard was poor starting.

So rest of line up is a lottery. With 3 big away games in a week we will see if all the talk about trusting young players like nwaneri was all talk or actual facts from Arteta.

Arsenal can't afford to lose on Sunday, espcially with City being next away game.

Surely Sterling will start or is he injured?

International football ruins many clubs with injuries, it should be cut back . But I was very surprised with the lack of transfers , I thought Arsenal would buy 5/6 players to cover positions.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Tottenham vs Arsenal will see 12-year streak come to an end as Premier League hands down ruling

A long-standing streak in the north London derby is set to end after the Premier League determined which kit Arsenal will wear against Tottenham on Sunday.

Mikel Arteta's side will make the short trip to the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium as they look to maintain their unbeaten start to the season.

But they will have to do it wearing their away strip after the PGMOL and Premier League determined Arsenal's home shirt clashes with Tottenham's.

The ruling claims Arsenal's home kit features too much white, which the Premier League felt would prove troublesome given it is Tottenham's traditional colour.

Arsenal even floated the option of wearing red shorts and socks to avoid the clash, but their request was rejected.

Instead, the Gunners will don their black away strip.

Remarkably, it will be the first time either side has had to wear their away kit since Arsenal's 5-2 victory over Tottenham in November 2012 at the Emirates Stadium.

For Arsenal, it will also mark the first time in recent history they've worn a change strip in a north London derby.

Tottenham will also wear their away kit for the return fixture at the Emirates in January.

Arsenal have already worn their away strip once this season and will hope it inspires a similar result against their bitter rivals.

Arteta's side travelled to Aston Villa, who play in claret and blue, and picked up a valuable 2-0 win with goals from Leandro Trossard and Thomas Partey.

However, replicating the feat against Tottenham will be an almighty task given their absences for the clash.

Star midfielder Declan Rice misses the derby with suspension after he picked up two yellow cards against Brighton, while skipper Martin Odegaard had to be helped off the field with an ankle injury in Norway's Nations League clash against Austria on Monday.

Riccardo Calafiori is another who could be sidelined after he left Italy's camp due to a freak injury sustained in the 3-1 win over France.

The derby also comes far too soon for fellow summer recruit Mikel Merino as he suffered a fractured shoulder in a collision with Gabriel during training and faces several weeks on the sideline.

However, deadline day signing Raheem Sterling is in line to make his Arsenal debut.

Tottenham vs Arsenal will see 12-year run end after Premier League's ruling

A long-standing streak in the north London derby is set to end after the Premier League determined which kit Arsenal will wear against Tottenham on Sunday. Mikel Arteta’s side will make the s…

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[topspin]

But but Arteta was better then Emery last season .

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End of season excuse:

“Arsenal would have won if it wasn’t for injuries and bad refereeing decisions”.

 

[IMMY69]

Your starting 11, where uve named 12 players

Can you count?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Can you count?

Clearly you can't, you put 12 players down.

 

[IMMY69]

Clearly you can't, you put 12 players down.

I put brackets around Califori

 

[Mamoon]

But but Arteta was better then Emery last season .

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Arteta is better than small manager Emery, who got kicked out of both PSG and Arsenal because the jobs were too big for his small mentality.

A club like Villa is perfect for a mediocre manager like him, where he will never be under pressure to win the league and the fans and the board will be satisfied with a top 6 finish.

Arteta is doing the job at Arsenal that Emery was supposed to do but was not good enough to do so.

This is why he is at Villa during his prime years and this is why it was disappointing to shell points to him last season because Arteta should be owning him like he did this season. He is a better manager and has a better team, so losing twice in the same season is disappointing.

 

[Mamoon]

Emery is not an unknown quantity and neither is he a rookie. He has been around the blocks for 20 years now. If he was a top tier manager, he would be at one of the following clubs right now:

Madrid
Barcelona
Atletico
PSG
Bayern
Juventus
Milan
Inter
Arsenal
Chelsea
Liverpool
United
City

Not at Aston Villa of all teams. He is clearly not a top tier manager and the job that he did at Arsenal vs the job that Arteta is doing at Arsenal is a clear reflection of the gulf between the two managers. As simple as that.

 

[Amjid Javed]

End of season excuse:

“Arsenal would have won if it wasn’t for injuries and bad refereeing decisions”.

Add the usual excuses as well that we can't compete against Pep and that 2nd place is an achievement.

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I am yet to find anyone who has any interest in international football barring the Summer Tournaments and even then its only until the Knock out stages.

Wish all our players would do a Ben White

Partey has played 2 x 90 mins to. Saka and Rice no doubt will play mins for England

Saliba I think has played 2 games. Gabbi played at least 1.

All pointless and so early in the season after 2 International tournaments in the summer an international break and then another in October i believe

I'm not a huge fan of International football outside the major tournaments but I also understand the need to play games and I do prefer the Nations League to the friendlies we had before.

Having said that, what's incredibly annoying is we play 3 Premier League games and then we stop, then it's another 4 games and then stop again.

It gives the league a stop start feel and it's quite annoying, much rather they play at least 6 games then have their break if possible

Although this one has been good for us as Gordon, Tonali and Hall got some useful and much needed minutes.

 

[topspin]

Arteta is better than small manager Emery, who got kicked out of both PSG and Arsenal because the jobs were too big for his small mentality.

A club like Villa is perfect for a mediocre manager like him, where he will never be under pressure to win the league and the fans and the board will be satisfied with a top 6 finish.

Arteta is doing the job at Arsenal that Emery was supposed to do but was not good enough to do so.

This is why he is at Villa during his prime years and this is why it was disappointing to shell points to him last season because Arteta should be owning him like he did this season. He is a better manager and has a better team, so losing twice in the same season is disappointing.

I was happy to see Emery sacked by Arssnal because he wasn’t ready for the role, at the time, due to the language barrier. No one could understand what he was saying. He was better known for his “good ebening” press conferences.

However, he’s turned his managerial career around and done more than just redeemed himself after what he’s managed to accomplish with Villa in 23/24.

Emery did better than Arteta last season. This isn’t even up for debate.

Emery overachieved with Aston Villa after leading them to a place in the top 4 and subsequently a spot in the UCL for this season.

Part of the reason for this is because he beat Arteta home and away. You can mock Emery all you like but you can’t run away from the fact that he is the single biggest reason why Arsenal lost out to City in the title race last season. If I’m not mistaken they were the only team to beat Arsenal home and away.

Another reason why Arteta didn’t perform as well as Emery last season is because he had everything in his favour during the title race but yet again fell short.

As I mentioned yesterday, City won the league in spite of:

• Losing Mahrez and Gundogen
• KDB being injured for half the season
• Haaland performing well below his best
• They were up against an Arsenal team that very rarely had issues with absentees in respect of their first XI. Saliba and Rice played all 38 games. Gabriel, Ben White, Saka and Odegaard missed less than 10 games combined

Also Arsenal were very fortunate to get 3 points at Villa Park a few weeks ago. Watkins missed two sitters before Arsenal scored. Villa should’ve won that game as Emery clearly won the tactical battle.

 

[Mamoon]

Blind Arteta worship at its finest.

I was happy to see Emery sacked by Arssnal because he wasn’t ready for the role, at the time, due to the language barrier. No one could understand what he was saying. He was better known for his “good ebening” press conferences.

However, he’s turned his managerial career around and done more than just redeemed himself after what he’s managed to accomplish with Villa in 23/24.

He has turned nothing around. His managerial career has gone backwards. He went from PSG to Arsenal to Villa. That’s called going backwards because he proved that he doesn’t have the chops for a big job.

Emery is perfect for clubs like Villa, Sevilla, Villarreal etc. where he is under no pressure to compete for the league title or do well in the UCL, because a top 6 finish and a decent run in second and third tier European competitions is what they are aiming for, and that is his level as a manager.

PSG brought him because they hoped he’d use his Europa League success to help them win the UCL. He ended up bottling the French league to Monaco and surrendered a 4-0 lead to Barcelona in the UCL.

When PSG kicked him out, Arsenal brought him because they hoped he’d us his experience to rebuild Arsenal into title challengers after AW, and he stank up the place and left Arsenal in a worse position than they were when AW left.

Emery will only turn his career around if he signs for a big club that is fighting to win the league and the UCL and proves his mettle. He needs to prove himself at a club like PSG and Arsenal after failing at both clubs.

Jobs like Sevilla, Villarreal and Villa are right up his street and he’s perfect for the expectations and demands that they have.

Arteta is rated way higher than him and for good reason. He has transformed Arsenal into title challengers and City’s main rivals while spending less money than City, Chelsea and United in the same period and this is his first managerial job, look around and see what guys like Lampard and Gerrard have done as managers and what Emery did at PSG and Arsenal after so much experience.

If Arteta decides to leave Arsenal now, you’ll have plenty of European powerhouses lining up for him and if these clubs really wanted Emery, he wouldn’t have been at Villa this season. Clubs like Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Juventus, Bayern, Barcelona would have prized him away from Villa but as I said, no big club rates him anymore after he got exposed at PSG and Arsenal.

Emery did better than Arteta last season. This isn’t even up for debate.

They are not even competing at the same level. Emery is managing a club that threw a party for finishing top 4 while Arsenal were deeply disappointed after missing out on winning the league by 2 points.

The question of doing better doesn’t even arise when you are not competing for the same objectives. Arteta is doing the job that Emery was asked to do at Arsenal but was not good enough to do so. End of story.

Emery overachieved with Aston Villa after leading them to a place in the top 4 and subsequently a spot in the UCL for this season.

He did not. He did well but he did not perform a miracle. Outside the top 3, the other teams were not in good shape and he took advantage of that. United and Chelsea were out of sorts and Spurs had a new manager who just lost Kane.

It is funny how you and others claimed last season that their home form made them title contenders and we saw how that title contention went through. He did very well to finish above Newcastle though, who had no reason to finish below considering their financial muscle and the fact that they had a better squad in 2022-23.

Part of the reason for this is because he beat Arteta home and away.

So what? It happens in football. Nuno Santo did the double over Pep with Wolves in 2019-20. It doesn’t mean I need to rate him higher than Pep.

You can mock Emery all you like but you can’t run away from the fact that he is the single biggest reason why Arsenal lost out to City in the title race last season. If I’m not mistaken they were the only team to beat Arsenal home and away.

Single biggest reason?. Arsenal missed out on the 9 title by 2 points, and these 2 points can be attributed to any of the following as well: Losing to West Ham at home, not winning at Chelsea, 1 point out of 6 vs Fulham. That’s 10 lost points, and you change any of these results and Arsenal win the league, so how did losing to Aston Villa become the single biggest reason why Arsenal didn’t win the league?

Another reason why Arteta didn’t perform as well as Emery last season is because he had everything in his favour during the title race but yet again fell short.

Emery is not even good enough to be at club where he is fighting for the title. Life gave him two opportunities and he failed both times.

As I mentioned yesterday, City won the league in spite of:

• Losing Mahrez and Gundogen
• KDB being injured for half the season
• Haaland performing well below his best
• They were up against an Arsenal team that very rarely had issues with absentees in respect of their first XI. Saliba and Rice played all 38 games. Gabriel, Ben White, Saka and Odegaard missed less than 10 games combined

You can mention it every day, it won’t make it any credible. Both City and Arsenal had to deal with their own unique problems and challenges that hampered their respective seasons in different ways.

City had to cope with all of the above that you mentioned, but it wasn’t all smooth sailing for Arsenal either:

Martinelli and Jesus performed well below what they were required to, Timber suffered a season ending injury in the very first match, Partey missed more than half of the season, Havertz took half a season to acclimatize as expected. All of these factors played a role in hampering Arsenal’s season as well all.

Also Arsenal were very fortunate to get 3 points at Villa Park a few weeks ago. Watkins missed two sitters before Arsenal scored. Villa should’ve won that game as Emery clearly won the tactical battle.

So Arteta/Arsenal were fortunate to get 3 points at Villa because Watkins missed easy chances, but Emery/Aston Villa weren’t fortunate to get 3 points at the Emirates last season when Trossard missed from point blank range?

Not sure what “tactical battle” you are referring too. It was a competitive game with Arsenal having more possession, interceptions and created equal number of big chances.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Just when I thought the list of excuses from one fan with zero standards was bad enough

But but we can't win coz of Pep

But but we can't buy players coz of PSR / FFP

But but the Refs are cheating

But but Jesus and Martinelli underperformed

But but our highest payed player are club who we had to be carried for 1st half of season, needed to acclimatise to PL. 3 years at Chelsea wasn't enough time to acclimatise.

this fan base continues embarrassing itself every season

These fans will be those worshipping the painting of the kronkes and asking for wenger and Henry statues to be replaced with Arteta and havertz

 

[IMMY69]

Just when I thought the list of excuses from one fan with zero standards was bad enough

But but we can't win coz of Pep

But but we can't buy players coz of PSR / FFP

But but the Refs are cheating

But but Jesus and Martinelli underperformed

But but our highest payed player are club who we had to be carried for 1st half of season, needed to acclimatise to PL. 3 years at Chelsea wasn't enough time to acclimatise.

this fan base continues embarrassing itself every season

These fans will be those worshipping the painting of the kronkes and asking for wenger and Henry statues to be replaced with Arteta and havertz

COYG

Great news about Arteta getting an extension on his contract!

Wonderful

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please watch your posts. No personal attacks

 

[Amjid Javed]

So a certain cheerleader lists the Fulham and villa games for reason the title was lost.

Then when fans says Emery cost Arsenal the title. The same cheerleader says that wasn't the case and it could have been any game?

Let's deal with reality

Both Arsenal and Liverpool had a 2 point lead over Man city going into the last stretch of the season

Arsenal lost to Villa, meant Man city went top. Which they didn't relinquish.

Therefore the villa game cost Arsenai know this fan base has fans with zero intelligence as its clearly showing with the 2 Arteta excuse merchants

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'm not a huge fan of International football outside the major tournaments but I also understand the need to play games and I do prefer the Nations League to the friendlies we had before.

Having said that, what's incredibly annoying is we play 3 Premier League games and then we stop, then it's another 4 games and then stop again.

It gives the league a stop start feel and it's quite annoying, much rather they play at least 6 games then have their break if possible

Although this one has been good for us as Gordon, Tonali and Hall got some useful and much needed minutes.

Nations league is more competitive but this also means more physical matches . Odegard was kicked senseless in Norway’s first match but played again in the 2nd as Norway failed to win the first . If these were friendlies , imo he would have been rested for the 2nd . Youre right , it may help those needing game time but still risking injury.

How long is he out for , as this looks bad ?

 

[Mamoon]

So a certain cheerleader lists the Fulham and villa games for reason the title was lost.

Then when fans says Emery cost Arsenal the title. The same cheerleader says that wasn't the case and it could have been any game?

Let's deal with reality

Both Arsenal and Liverpool had a 2 point lead over Man city going into the last stretch of the season

Arsenal lost to Villa, meant Man city went top. Which they didn't relinquish.

Therefore the villa game cost Arsenai know this fan base has fans with zero intelligence as its clearly showing with the 2 Arteta excuse merchants

There is a huge difference between saying that the Villa defeat at home was one of the reasons that cost Arsenal the title (which is 100% true) vs saying that it was the "single biggest reason" which is total nonsense. Anything with a single grey cell will be able to differentiate between the two statements.

The Villa defeat wasn't the only loss for Arsenal so therefore, it cannot be the single biggest reason. It cost Arsenal the same no of points as the other 4 defeats. Any wins out of those 4 and Arsenal would have still won the league in spite of losing to Villa at home.

Arsenal had a very strong finish to the season last year which wasn't the case in 2022-23, therefore, if Arsenal had a sizable lead going into the last 10 games, they would have walked the league. As a result, the dip in form in Dec/Jan before the Dubai break hurt Arsenal as much as the Villa game did. Last stretch etc. means nothing - losing matches any point of the season costs you the same no of points.

It is is a very easy thing to understand but perhaps it is challenging for those who cannot look beyond their agenda and are quite bitter about the fact that Arteta is doing at Arsenal what Emery was not good enough to do so.

 

[MK7Z]

I'm not a huge fan of International football outside the major tournaments but I also understand the need to play games and I do prefer the Nations League to the friendlies we had before.

Having said that, what's incredibly annoying is we play 3 Premier League games and then we stop, then it's another 4 games and then stop again.

It gives the league a stop start feel and it's quite annoying, much rather they play at least 6 games then have their break if possible

Although this one has been good for us as Gordon, Tonali and Hall got some useful and much needed minutes.

It has its benefit's but overall even Qualifiers are annoying. Fancy having to stop PL football so Better international team can slam smaller nations and Harry Kane can stat pad

 

[FearlessRoar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834503784661504349

 

[MK7Z]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1834503784661504349

I think the decision by Arteta has been justified. Ramsdale was an ok Keeper but had concentration issues.

The few games he played last season were quite poor.

Also his dad coming out and whinging was quite pathetic tbh

Good luck to him at his new club

 

[Amjid Javed]

I think the decision by Arteta has been justified. Ramsdale was an ok Keeper but had concentration issues.

The few games he played last season were quite poor.

Also his dad coming out and whinging was quite pathetic tbh

Good luck to him at his new club

Ramsdale will be adding another relegation to his already growing list.

 

[MK7Z]

Ramsdale will be adding another relegation to his already growing list.

Hopefully people see how over rated he is now with his slow motion dives

 

[Amjid Javed]

Hopefully people see how over rated he is now with his slow motion dives

The 2nd and 3rd goals he dived after ball was past him. Mediocre keeper.

We should have never signed him in 1st place, good that we got rid of him.

 

[Mamoon]

Hopefully people see how over rated he is now with his slow motion dives

He hasn’t done great, but Southampton defense is a nightmare. Awful organization.

Even prime Buffon would look weak in goal for them.

 

[MK7Z]

He hasn’t done great, but Southampton defense is a nightmare. Awful organization.

Even prime Buffon would look weak in goal for them.

Watch the games he played last season.

Also the games he's played for England

Point blank he's OK. Otherwise his timing is all over the place for crosses and diving

 

[Amjid Javed]

Watch the games he played last season.

Also the games he's played for England

Point blank he's OK. Otherwise his timing is all over the place for crosses and diving

He's also very poor on one on one's.

He's a camera save goal keeper.

Then again the keeper choices we've had at this club since getting rid of martinez have been a shambles.

I'm not that convinced on Raya either whose slightly better but still not an elite keeper.

 

[topspin]

He's also very poor on one on one's.

He's a camera save goal keeper.

Then again the keeper choices we've had at this club since getting rid of martinez have been a shambles.

I'm not that convinced on Raya either whose slightly better but still not an elite keeper.

I would like to see us buy Lunin

 

[topspin]

He has turned nothing around. His managerial career has gone backwards. He went from PSG to Arsenal to Villa. That’s called going backwards because he proved that he doesn’t have the chops for a big job.

Emery is perfect for clubs like Villa, Sevilla, Villarreal etc. where he is under no pressure to compete for the league title or do well in the UCL, because a top 6 finish and a decent run in second and third tier European competitions is what they are aiming for, and that is his level as a manager.

PSG brought him because they hoped he’d use his Europa League success to help them win the UCL. He ended up bottling the French league to Monaco and surrendered a 4-0 lead to Barcelona in the UCL.

When PSG kicked him out, Arsenal brought him because they hoped he’d us his experience to rebuild Arsenal into title challengers after AW, and he stank up the place and left Arsenal in a worse position than they were when AW left.

Emery will only turn his career around if he signs for a big club that is fighting to win the league and the UCL and proves his mettle. He needs to prove himself at a club like PSG and Arsenal after failing at both clubs.

Jobs like Sevilla, Villarreal and Villa are right up his street and he’s perfect for the expectations and demands that they have.

I didn't ask for a monologue on his distant past performances as a manager, we all know prior to Villa, he was poor at PSG and Arsenal.

The point I'm making is you need to stop be more humble and stop ridiculing him when he clearly did better than Arteta last season.

He's managed to overturn 2-0 deficit to beat Everton. 3 wins out of 4 and going strong. The more ridicule him, the more it backfires on you.

Arteta is rated way higher than him and for good reason. He has transformed Arsenal into title challengers and City’s main rivals while spending less money than City, Chelsea and United in the same period and this is his first managerial job, look around and see what guys like Lampard and Gerrard have done as managers and what Emery did at PSG and Arsenal after so much experience.

If Arteta decides to leave Arsenal now, you’ll have plenty of European powerhouses lining up for him and if these clubs really wanted Emery, he wouldn’t have been at Villa this season. Clubs like Chelsea, United, Liverpool, Juventus, Bayern, Barcelona would have prized him away from Villa but as I said, no big club rates him anymore after he got exposed at PSG and Arsenal.

They are not even competing at the same level. Emery is managing a club that threw a party for finishing top 4 while Arsenal were deeply disappointed after missing out on winning the league by 2 points.

The question of doing better doesn’t even arise when you are not competing for the same objectives. Arteta is doing the job that Emery was asked to do at Arsenal but was not good enough to do so. End of story.

He did not. He did well but he did not perform a miracle. Outside the top 3, the other teams were not in good shape and he took advantage of that. United and Chelsea were out of sorts and Spurs had a new manager who just lost Kane.

It is funny how you and others claimed last season that their home form made them title contenders and we saw how that title contention went through. He did very well to finish above Newcastle though, who had no reason to finish below considering their financial muscle and the fact that they had a better squad in 2022-23.

So what? It happens in football. Nuno Santo did the double over Pep with Wolves in 2019-20. It doesn’t mean I need to rate him higher than Pep.

The comparison is not analogous. The difference is Emery didn't just do the double over Arteta, he also finished above the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Manchester United and Newcastle, all against the odds, to secure top 4 and therefore entry into the Champions League.

Single biggest reason?. Arsenal missed out on the 9 title by 2 points, and these 2 points can be attributed to any of the following as well: Losing to West Ham at home, not winning at Chelsea, 1 point out of 6 vs Fulham. That’s 10 lost points, and you change any of these results and Arsenal win the league, so how did losing to Aston Villa become the single biggest reason why Arsenal didn’t win the league?

Single biggest reason because Arsenal lost most of their points against Villa.

Emery is not even good enough to be at club where he is fighting for the title. Life gave him two opportunities and he failed both times.

If Arteta fails to win either the PL or the CL this season, he has to go. Emery v2 would be one of the top candidates to take over from him.

You can mention it every day, it won’t make it any credible. Both City and Arsenal had to deal with their own unique problems and challenges that hampered their respective seasons in different ways.

City had to cope with all of the above that you mentioned, but it wasn’t all smooth sailing for Arsenal either:

Martinelli and Jesus performed well below what they were required to, Timber suffered a season ending injury in the very first match, Partey missed more than half of the season, Havertz took half a season to acclimatize as expected. All of these factors played a role in hampering Arsenal’s season as well all.

Clutching at straws here. The fact that Arsenal couldn't beat City to the title when they were without their best player for half the season and had to contend with the losses of Gundogen and Mahrez in the squad just goes to show that Arteta will have no chance of beating City to the title if KDB keeps fit and Haaland extends his current form till the end of the season.

So Arteta/Arsenal were fortunate to get 3 points at Villa because Watkins missed easy chances, but Emery/Aston Villa weren’t fortunate to get 3 points at the Emirates last season when Trossard missed from point blank range?

Not sure what “tactical battle” you are referring too. It was a competitive game with Arsenal having more possession, interceptions and created equal number of big chances.

Emery won the tactical battle because Arsenal for large parts were struggling to penetrate their defence, whereas Villa managed to produce the best chances of the game in spite of the fact that they were up against the best defence in the league.

 

[Amjid Javed]

I would like to see us buy Lunin

He's a very average keeper.

If Arsenal want a top end keeper olbak or Diogo Costa are the 2 to look at.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Its hilarious how a certain poster says that Emery and Alonso are thar good because they were under no pressure at the club's they are at to win things, make CL.

The irony is the kronkes gave Fraudeta a new contract based on him winning nothing.. so he's under no pressure to win the PL or CL (he ain't winning either of these). All this fraud has to do is make CL, just like wenger did. So the so called extra pressure compared to an Emery or Alonso is just the usual over hyped .

 

[MK7Z]

Not sure why Emery always ends up in this thread

Is he a good coach.. Yes

Was he good for Arsenal... Initially yes but unfortunately didn't work out

Is he better than Arteta... Who cares

Would I have him back.. No

Also comparing the 2 is pointless until Arteta has had as many clubs and years in management as Unai.

Again with the fraud allegations. Call him a novice call him a amateur call him inexperienced. But once you call him a Fraud your argument loses strength as this is his 1st job.
What fraudulent activity has taken place?

 

[Mamoon]

I didn't ask for a monologue on his distant past performances as a manager, we all know prior to Villa, he was poor at PSG and Arsenal.

The point I'm making is you need to stop be more humble and stop ridiculing him when he clearly did better than Arteta last season.

He's managed to overturn 2-0 deficit to beat Everton. 3 wins out of 4 and going strong. The more ridicule him, the more it backfires on you
The comparison is not analogous. The difference is Emery didn't just do the double over Arteta, he also finished above the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Manchester United and Newcastle, all against the odds, to secure top 4 and therefore entry into the Champions League.

I will be humble the day Emery gets employed again by a top club that is looking to win the league and he proves himself.

As of today, he has been badly exposed every time he has taken charge of a big club with high expectations.

Emery is a small manager. This is why none of the big clubs (and there were plenty) who changed their managers recently looked at him.

He would have been at Bayern, Juventus, Barcelona, United, Chelsea or Liverpool right now if they really wanted him.

None of them rate him. Only ungrateful Arsenal fans do even though he stank up the place at the Emirates and didn’t do half the job Arteta has done.

There is no comparison between Arteta and Emery and the jobs that they have respectively done. If Emery was good enough he would be where Arteta is today.

Single biggest reason because Arsenal lost most of their points against Villa.

Arsenal lost the league by 2 points. Therefore, any of the matches that Arsenal lost proved equally costly, this includes losing to West Ham (H) and Fulham (A).

Therefore, it is logically fallacious to assert that losing to Aston Villa was the “single biggest reason” why Arsenal didn’t win the league.

It would have been the single biggest reason if these were the only two matches that Arsenal would have lost last season.

If Arteta fails to win either the PL or the CL this season, he has to go. Emery v2 would be one of the top candidates to take over from him.

Arsenal would be stupid beyond measure to look at Emery again. There is no V2. He is exactly the same manager he was before he got exposed at PSG and Arsenal and then went back to his comfort zone.

There many good managers who don’t have the chops to manage big clubs with big expectations. Emery is one of them. Not every good manager has what it takes to do the big jobs.

Clutching at straws here. The fact that Arsenal couldn't beat City to the title when they were without their best player for half the season and had to contend with the losses of Gundogen and Mahrez in the squad just goes to show that Arteta will have no chance of beating City to the title if KDB keeps fit and Haaland extends his current form till the end of the season.

There is hardly anything between the two teams right now even when everyone is fit. Your inferiority complex is outdated. It is not 2022 anymore.

I repeat: both City and Arsenal had their own internal problems that hampered their seasons. Selling players is not Arsenal’s problem. They didn’t force City to sell Mahrez and Gundogan.

Arsenal lost their new signing for the whole season in the very first game.

Emery won the tactical battle because Arsenal for large parts were struggling to penetrate their defence, whereas Villa managed to produce the best chances of the game in spite of the fact that they were up against the best defence in the league.

He won no tactical battle - Arsenal dominated all the major statistics.

 

[Amjid Javed]

What utter



Only criteria at Arsenal is to make CL, no different to when wenger was here. Otherwise the club would sack the manager after 4 trophyless seasons.

Barcelona, Real, city, Bayern etc.. all these clubs expect their managers to Win the league but also win the CL and compete on multiple fronts.

Yet certain on here acting like Arsenal has Same level of expectation or accountability.

If Arteta replicated same trophyless seasons at a "proper big club" he ould sacked within 12-18 months.

All of sudden according to number 1 and 2, its just about competing in league and pretty football.

No one is going to look back in 20 or 30 years and give a about this trophyless spell under this mediocre manager.

 

[MK7Z]

Anyway we have a game today in case people forgot.

Starting 11 pretty much as expected. Squad depth massively exposed when you look at the bench.

They're midfield doesn't have a DM if I'm looking at it right. We should be able to expose them if we play smart.

Reckon we'll mostly be a 4-4-2

If Martinelli has a stinker against a high line. Big questions need to be asked about his progression.

Anyway time for Zohar. See you on the other side

 

[Amjid Javed]

Trossard in midfield, last time he played there he was awful in home game vs West ham.

Rather have given nwaneri a start.

3 points is a must

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Only winners are remembered. Nearly Men are no different to losers.

Klopp who won every major trophy in a era of a Beast called City and Pep, is getting criticised for not winning more of the majors.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Anyway we have a game today in case people forgot.

Starting 11 pretty much as expected. Squad depth massively exposed when you look at the bench.

They're midfield doesn't have a DM if I'm looking at it right. We should be able to expose them if we play smart.

Reckon we'll mostly be a 4-4-2

If Martinelli has a stinker against a high line. Big questions need to be asked about his progression.

Anyway time for Zohar. See you on the other side

I think we may see havertz and Trossard interchange positions.

Either way neither player is good enough in that midfield roll.

Trossard rarely plays well when starts.

Pretty much depends on saka today and goals from set pieces I think.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Only winners are remembered. Nearly Men are no different to losers.

Klopp who won every major trophy in a era of a Beast called City and Pep, is getting criticised for not winning more of the majors.

Klopp was rightly criticised for not winning more.

Arteta right now is a failure.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Tomiyasu still injured reward with new 100K contract

Crybaby injured in training, but but Tierney is always injured all the time.

But the other 2 liabilities are never called out

Calafiori injured, I called this before the season started.

Seems club has a thing for injury prone left backs

 

[Amjid Javed]

Starting 11 pretty much as expected. Squad depth massively exposed when you look at the bench.

Subs: Neto, Kiwior, Kacurri, Heaven, Lewis-Skelly, Sterling, Nwaneri, Jesus, Kabia.

Look at that bench indeed

Amazing squad building by Arteta and edu, both deserve new contracts and payrises

 

[Amjid Javed]

So according to chief Arteta cheerleader, Arsenal are now on a par with Man city.

Just look at difference in the benches.

 

[IMMY69]

Have to be on Par or better...

A small minded person coupled with a lack of intelligence will see things others don't. Such as "you picked 12" plus a smiley face.
Then rather then apologising they double down over stupidity...

Never mind... COYG

 

[MK7Z]

One thing about Havertz is he does put work in defensively.

Trossard is not built for that.

Sterling will come on at some point for Martinelli or Leo.

Just depends where we are with the game.

I might be proven wrong and I'm ready for it but they're midfield is not amazing that it will out do ours. We should not sit back this game. They don't deserve that much respect for us to sit back.

 

[MK7Z]

We have a game... Can we focus on that instead of point scoring against each other?

 

[Amjid Javed]

One thing about Havertz is he does put work in defensively.

Trossard is not built for that.

Sterling will come on at some point for Martinelli or Leo.

Just depends where we are with the game.

I might be proven wrong and I'm ready for it but they're midfield is not amazing that it will out do ours. We should not sit back this game. They don't deserve that much respect for us to sit back.

I can see it being a high scoring game, as spurs will play their usual suicidal Hugh line, so we need to be clinical like last season.

Just looking at our midfield, the lack of mobility and physicality is the main concern.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Have to be on Par or better...

A small minded person coupled with a lack of intelligence will see things others don't. Such as "you picked 12" plus a smiley face.
Then rather then apologising they double down over stupidity...

Never mind... COYG

Also you did post 12 players. Whether it had a player in brackets it's 12 player, the fact you had calafori as a midfield option shows how clueless you are

 

[MK7Z]

I can see it being a high scoring game, as spurs will play their usual suicidal Hugh line, so we need to be clinical like last season.

Just looking at our midfield, the lack of mobility and physicality is the main concern.

Can't remember the last time we conceded more than 2 in the PL?

 

[IMMY69]

Also you did post 12 players. Whether it had a player in brackets it's 12 player, the fact you had calafori as a midfield option shows how clueless you are

In Arteta we trust.
COYG

 

[Amjid Javed]

Can't remember the last time we conceded more than 2 in the PL?

Probably Man city away season before Last, that's a guess off top of my head.

Away performances defensively have been generally good, just hope we keep a clean sheet today

 

[MK7Z]

They scored 4 goals against us last season.

2 were shocking mistakes by Raya and Jorge

1 was a pen and other was poor defending but good play by maddison.

So I think defensively if Gabriel has his soldier hat on rather than his numpty one I think we can be solid.

Johnson literally is a 1 trick pony.... Back post run. Timber will have to be smart

 

[Amjid Javed]

In Arteta we trust.
COYG

Yeah trust the trophyless process.

I'm sure once its 8 years without a trophy you will still be full of delusion

 

[Amjid Javed]

They scored 4 goals against us last season.

2 were shocking mistakes by Raya and Jorge

1 was a pen and other was poor defending but good play by maddison.

So I think defensively if Gabriel has his soldier hat on rather than his numpty one I think we can be solid.

Johnson literally is a 1 trick pony.... Back post run. Timber will have to be smart

Yeah in both games we were on top then gave cheap goals away. None of that today, have been ruthless defensively

 

[Amjid Javed]

White started game poorly, one poorly give away.

Saliba booked aswell now

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Poor from Martinelli that, big chance

 

[Amjid Javed]

Martinelli pass the ball

Saka would have had a tap in

 

[MenInG]

All action!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1835301947932311989

 

[Amjid Javed]

What is Ben White doing

 

[Amjid Javed]

To many sloppy passes been given away on edge of box

 

[Rajdeep]

Spurs playing better...though not able to convert into goals

 

[Amjid Javed]

Arsenal corners today have been trash

 

[Amjid Javed]

Timber booked.

This game won't finish 11 a-side

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

As a neutral it's been an entertaining 0-0 so far

 

[Amjid Javed]

As a neutral it's been an entertaining 0-0 so far

Yep a fast and furious Derby so far

 

[Amjid Javed]

HT 0-0

Arsenal need to stop giving sloppy passes away on edge of box

At other end need to be more clinical

Set pieces have been poor

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Yep a fast and furious Derby so far

Easily the most entertaining derby in the league, don't think any other comes close purely from an entertaining factor

 

[Amjid Javed]

Easily the most entertaining derby in the league, don't think any other comes close purely from an entertaining factor

Usually the one with most goals as well.

I can't remember the last time this fixture finished 0-0

 

[MenInG]

I feel a red card coming soon

 

[Amjid Javed]

Final ball poor again

 

[Amjid Javed]

I feel a red card coming soon

Yeah someone will get a red (2 yellows)