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topspin said:
I’m genuinely not trying to make excuses for him and the England team but you must realise that he was playing under a garbage manager in Gareth Southgate.

Not sure if you’ve watched England lately, under Carsley, but they look a completely different team.

By no means am I saying Lee Carsley is the real deal because it’s still early days but even a relative unknown like him has given us a glimpse of what a good manger could achieve with England.

Rice will thrive under a half decent coach who knows how to utilise the pace and talent of this England side. We know this because of what’s he’s accomplished at club level in his career.

There’s no other DM better than him when it comes to interceptions and ball recoveries. If you look at the stats, he’s even better than Rodri in this aspect of the game. On top of that he produced 15 G/As last season which is phenomenal for a DM and is perhaps one of the reasons why he’s been nominated for the Ballon d’or.
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what exactly has Rice achieved in club football. Answers on a postage stamp please 🤣🤣🤣
 
topspin said:
Musiala didn’t do much in Europe and missed a lot of games in the Bundesliga last season.

I rate him very highly and for me he’s the best CAM after KDB but the decision for him to be excluded is an understandable one.
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lol
 
MK7Z said:
Its a trophy ;) . Might be low level opposition but decent teams in there. Some may say the teams were a higher level than Newport, Wigan and Coventry....
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Yep. But none better than City, who the Gooners know about.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
I have to remind you, we did beat City to win the FA CUP, after your best efforts to undermine it by mentioning the likes of Newport, Wigan, Coventry.
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Winning domestic cups when you are not even competing to win the league means absolutely nothing.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
I have to remind you, we did beat City to win the FA CUP, after your best efforts to undermine it by mentioning the likes of Newport, Wigan, Coventry.
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I never mentioned United :), You are paranoid. I merely mentioned a few low level teams that's all.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Led me remind you, winning silverware is more of an accomplishment than being also rans!
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Depends on the silverware. Domestic cups can’t make for league failure.

Wenger won 3 FA Cups in his last 4 seasons but he was still driven out of the club by angry fans because his team was unable to compete in the league.

If his last two seasons were like Arteta’s last two seasons, he would not have left.

Similarly, a lot of United fans are not happy with ETH even though he has won two trophies. Why? Simply because he has failed to fight for the league.

ETH will be gone if United fail to fight for the league again this season but win an FA Cup/ League Cup.

If ETH’s two seasons were exactly like Arteta’s last two seasons, all United fans would have unanimously backed ETH.

Fighting for the league title shows that the team is on the right path and all it needs is a little push to get over the line. However, when you don’t fight for the league, there are big questions marks on the credentials of the manager, the squad and the dressing room culture.

This is why the last two seasons for Arsenal were better than any of their four FA Cup winning seasons from 2014-2020, and this is why every United fan - whether they admit it or not - would happily swap places with Arsenal last season.

Finishing 2nd with 89 points (2 pts behind the champions) >>> finishing 8th and 31 points behind the champions but winning a domestic cup.

Only winning a UCL masks league failure, for example, Chelsea in 2012, although it does make a mockery of the UCL format and raises questions on the credibility of the format when a team that couldn’t even finish in the top 4 in its own league gets to puff its chest and calls itself “champions of Europe”.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
what exactly has Rice achieved in club football. Answers on a postage stamp please 🤣🤣🤣
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- Second best DM in world football
- Best DM when it comes to ball recoveries and interceptions
- Made PL team of the year
- Nominated for this year’s Ballon d’or
- 8 Man of the Match displays last season for Arsenal including one against your beloved Man U
- 15 G/As in the PL last season which is exceptional for a DM
- Ranked 6th best midfielder in the world:

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Let’s be real, you’re still upset about him scoring the winner against your team last season.

You call him water carrier because he lives rent free in your head.

Your reading of the game can be summed up by the following takes:

- Valverde is a DM and is better than Rice
- Zirkzee is Italian

You don’t even know the nationality of your own players yet you think you can lecture us on our own players 🤣

You’re funny I’ll give you that.
 
topspin said:
- Second best DM in world football
- Best DM when it comes to ball recoveries and interceptions
- Made PL team of the year
- Nominated for this year’s Ballon d’or
- 8 Man of the Match displays last season for Arsenal including one against your beloved Man U
- 15 G/As in the PL last season which is exceptional for a DM
- Ranked 6th best midfielder in the world:

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The 20 best midfielders in the world right now - ranked in order

🆕 Kobbie Mainoo 📉 Luka Modric 📈 Rodri Jude Bellingham narrowly misses out on top spot 😬
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Let’s be real, you’re still upset about him scoring the winner against your team last season.

You call him water carrier because he lives rent free in your head.

Your reading of the game can be summed up by the following takes:

- Valverde is a DM and is better than Rice
- Zirkzee is Italian

You don’t even know the nationality of your own players yet you think you can lecture us on our own players 🤣

You’re funny I’ll give you that.
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At least Mainoo is English. Rice is a confused Irish man.
 
Mamoon said:
Martinelli sticks out like a sore thumb in this Arsenal team with his lack of composure and intelligence.

I understand that Arsenal fans have sentimental attachment with him and would love to see him develop but he is clearly not at the required level and didn’t kick on the way Saka did.

Arteta has been more patient with him than he has been with certain other players but eventually his patience will run out and he will get binned.

As far as Maddison is concerned, he is a mentally weak player with a soft underbelly. He has been crap for Spurs apart from the first couple of months of last season when Spurs found themselves at the top of the league.

He disappears for more than half a season and is not even worthy of being Odegaard’s backup. I would much rather trust an efficient, stone cold killer like Trossard than a softy like him.

It is very clear now why Arsenal passed on the opportunity to sign him when they could have easily done it and why no big club in England apart from Spurs tried to sign him when Leicester got relegated.

Let’s hope Ethan Nwaneri kicks on because his potential is huge and he could be the next big thing for Arsenal that would solve a lot of issues thanks to his versatility.
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Let’s see how Sterling does compared to Martinelli on the left hand side.

I know the Chelsea player only came on for a few minutes but I don’t think he can do what Martinelli can do when it comes to tracking back.

You can’t fault the Brazilian’s work rate and his efforts tracking back.

Also, Sterling isn’t the best when it comes to passing and shooting. His decision making has also been suspect during numerous times in his career and to make matters worse, he can be very selfish.

All I’m saying is we have to be careful what we wish for.

I’m very much open to the prospect of an upgrade on Martinelli if we can sign someone like Musiala, who might leave Bayern next summer. If we can sign him, this Arsenal team will be just as menacing on the attack.
 
topspin said:
- Second best DM in world football
- Best DM when it comes to ball recoveries and interceptions
- Made PL team of the year
- Nominated for this year’s Ballon d’or
- 8 Man of the Match displays last season for Arsenal including one against your beloved Man U
- 15 G/As in the PL last season which is exceptional for a DM
- Ranked 6th best midfielder in the world:

www.givemesport.com

The 20 best midfielders in the world right now - ranked in order

🆕 Kobbie Mainoo 📉 Luka Modric 📈 Rodri Jude Bellingham narrowly misses out on top spot 😬
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Let’s be real, you’re still upset about him scoring the winner against your team last season.

You call him water carrier because he lives rent free in your head.

Your reading of the game can be summed up by the following takes:

- Valverde is a DM and is better than Rice
- Zirkzee is Italian

You don’t even know the nationality of your own players yet you think you can lecture us on our own players 🤣

You’re funny I’ll give you that.
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topspin said:
- Second best DM in world football
- Best DM when it comes to ball recoveries and interceptions
- Made PL team of the year
- Nominated for this year’s Ballon d’or
- 8 Man of the Match displays last season for Arsenal including one against your beloved Man U
- 15 G/As in the PL last season which is exceptional for a DM
- Ranked 6th best midfielder in the world:

www.givemesport.com

The 20 best midfielders in the world right now - ranked in order

🆕 Kobbie Mainoo 📉 Luka Modric 📈 Rodri Jude Bellingham narrowly misses out on top spot 😬
www.givemesport.com www.givemesport.com



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Let’s be real, you’re still upset about him scoring the winner against your team last season.

You call him water carrier because he lives rent free in your head.

Your reading of the game can be summed up by the following takes:

- Valverde is a DM and is better than Rice
- Zirkzee is Italian

You don’t even know the nationality of your own players yet you think you can lecture us on our own players 🤣

You’re funny I’ll give you that.
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hahaha We are quoting James Mclean. Leave it out bro, You dont like him or rate him. Let it go now as you are on your own with that one. I respect your opinion as flawed as it is. Please just drop it. As a brother i am telling you it is coming across a very weird obsession now @aboveandbeyond
 
aboveandbeyond said:
At least Mainoo is English. Rice is a confused Irish man.
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Ok this will be an interesting discussion...... You know that Rice may have played for Ireland but is not Irish? His grandparents are Irish he was born in London.

In fact Kobbie Mainoo actually has Ghanian Parents so lets not get into heritage etc. You could argue Rice is more English than Kobbie if want to go down that route but tbh I am now bored of talking about Rice and I dont actually care as it makes no difference for when he plays for Arsenal.
 
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MK7Z said:
Ok this will be an interesting discussion...... You know that Rice may have played for Ireland but is not Irish? His grandparents are Irish he was born in London.

In fact Kobbie Mainoo actually has Ghanian Parents so lets not get into heritage etc. You could argue Rice is more English than Kobbie if want to go down that route but tbh I am now bored of talking about Rice and I dont actually care as it makes no difference for when he plays for Arsenal.
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No point deep diving. Rice did represent Ireland, and Mainoo has represented England at all levels.
 
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Mamoon said:
Depends on the silverware. Domestic cups can’t make for league failure.

Wenger won 3 FA Cups in his last 4 seasons but he was still driven out of the club by angry fans because his team was unable to compete in the league.

If his last two seasons were like Arteta’s last two seasons, he would not have left.

Similarly, a lot of United fans are not happy with ETH even though he has won two trophies. Why? Simply because he has failed to fight for the league.

ETH will be gone if United fail to fight for the league again this season but win an FA Cup/ League Cup.

If ETH’s two seasons were exactly like Arteta’s last two seasons, all United fans would have unanimously backed ETH.

Fighting for the league title shows that the team is on the right path and all it needs is a little push to get over the line. However, when you don’t fight for the league, there are big questions marks on the credentials of the manager, the squad and the dressing room culture.

This is why the last two seasons for Arsenal were better than any of their four FA Cup winning seasons from 2014-2020, and this is why every United fan - whether they admit it or not - would happily swap places with Arsenal last season.

Finishing 2nd with 89 points (2 pts behind the champions) >>> finishing 8th and 31 points behind the champions but winning a domestic cup.

Only winning a UCL masks league failure, for example, Chelsea in 2012, although it does make a mockery of the UCL format and raises questions on the credibility of the format when a team that couldn’t even finish in the top 4 in its own league gets to puff its chest and calls itself “champions of Europe”.
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There's no point of whole detailed paragraphs.

The point is, Arteta is in in to his sixth season at Arsenal, bar the solo FA cup, there's not much on the CV at the moment.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
There's no point of whole detailed paragraphs.

The point is, Arteta is in in to his sixth season at Arsenal, bar the solo FA cup, there's not much on the CV at the moment.
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Transforming a team struggling to stay in the top 6 into title challengers who amassed 89 points last season is a lot to show for and it is a success story.

United would kill to have a manager of his caliber.
 
topspin said:
Let’s see how Sterling does compared to Martinelli on the left hand side.

I know the Chelsea player only came on for a few minutes but I don’t think he can do what Martinelli can do when it comes to tracking back.

You can’t fault the Brazilian’s work rate and his efforts tracking back.

Also, Sterling isn’t the best when it comes to passing and shooting. His decision making has also been suspect during numerous times in his career and to make matters worse, he can be very selfish.

All I’m saying is we have to be careful what we wish for.

I’m very much open to the prospect of an upgrade on Martinelli if we can sign someone like Musiala, who might leave Bayern next summer. If we can sign him, this Arsenal team will be just as menacing on the attack.
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Martinelli offers nothing moving forward. He is a liability in the final third so the least he can do is having defensive work rate. I wouldn’t give him any brownie points for that though.

He has 0 goals and 0 assists in his last 14 PL games. That is beyond pathetic.
 
MK7Z said:
hahaha We are quoting James Mclean. Leave it out bro, You dont like him or rate him. Let it go now as you are on your own with that one. I respect your opinion as flawed as it is. Please just drop it. As a brother i am telling you it is coming across a very weird obsession now @aboveandbeyond
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That winner Rice scored against his team must have hurt him real bad.
 
Mamoon said:
Martinelli offers nothing moving forward. He is a liability in the final third so the least he can do is having defensive work rate. I wouldn’t give him any brownie points for that though.

He has 0 goals and 0 assists in his last 14 PL games. That is beyond pathetic.
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Martinelli’s 0 G/As in the last 14 PL matches is concerning.

But it’s important to have a balanced perspective about this.

He constantly runs at defenders and wears them out. This makes Trossard’s job much easier when he comes on as a sub.

Go and check all the games Trossard has started and compare his output as a sub.

Trossard and Sterling don’t offer the same defensive work rate that Martinelli can deliver. The Brazilian didn’t perform well in the final third against Spurs but one of the reasons why we didn’t concede is because he was quick to run back and support the defence whenever the counter was on for Spurs.
 
Mamoon said:
Transforming a team struggling to stay in the top 6 into title challengers who amassed 89 points last season is a lot to show for and it is a success story.

United would kill to have a manager of his caliber.
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so your basically contradicting your self with the points amassed.

Jurgen klopp ha rightfully been criticised for winning 1 title in 9 seasons. But with your logic, after he amassed 96 -97 points one season and 93 points in another season he was a resounding success?

If I remember correctly, you were blasting him for failing to win it.
 
topspin said:
Martinelli’s 0 G/As in the last 14 PL matches is concerning.

But it’s important to have a balanced perspective about this.

He constantly runs at defenders and wears them out. This makes Trossard’s job much easier when he comes on as a sub.

Go and check all the games Trossard has started and compare his output as a sub.

Trossard and Sterling don’t offer the same defensive work rate that Martinelli can deliver. The Brazilian didn’t perform well in the final third against Spurs but one of the reasons why we didn’t concede is because he was quick to run back and support the defence whenever the counter was on for Spurs.
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I agree about the defensive work that Martinelli puts in, his pace allows him to track back

I also agree that Trossard is a super sub. He comes on and makes an impact.

Thing is though when a chance falls to Trossard I am confident that he will make the right decision as for Martinelli I dont have that same feeling. Like the weekend I just knew nothing would come of it when he went through.

His career has stagnated at Arsenal for me. He has not improved in the last 18 months and I think we will see more of Sterling. I think Sterlings defensive work is under rated. He would not have survived in a Pep team if he did not put the work in.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
so your basically contradicting your self with the points amassed.

Jurgen klopp ha rightfully been criticised for winning 1 title in 9 seasons. But with your logic, after he amassed 96 -97 points one season and 93 points in another season he was a resounding success?

If I remember correctly, you were blasting him for failing to win it.
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The cheerleader contradicts himself all the time. He he has one set of criteria for other clubs and managers, then another for his low standard bhangra (aka dressing up Arteta failures) as success.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
so your basically contradicting your self with the points amassed.

Jurgen klopp ha rightfully been criticised for winning 1 title in 9 seasons. But with your logic, after he amassed 96 -97 points one season and 93 points in another season he was a resounding success?

If I remember correctly, you were blasting him for failing to win it.
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"Arteta will win more 1 one PL title then klopp, if not its a failure"

Feel free to scroll through last seasons Arsenal thread and you will see this copy paste response probably between 50-10 times.
 
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aboveandbeyond said:
so your basically contradicting your self with the points amassed.

Jurgen klopp ha rightfully been criticised for winning 1 title in 9 seasons. But with your logic, after he amassed 96 -97 points one season and 93 points in another season he was a resounding success?

If I remember correctly, you were blasting him for failing to win it.
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Klopp tainted his legacy by producing two awful seasons (2020/21, 2022-23) with a side that was capable of winning the league. He massively underachieved with the players that he had at his disposal and both Pep and Arteta would have won multiple league titles with that Liverpool team.

He would have had a better legacy than he does now if his Liverpool team would have pushed City all the way in those two seasons. In fact, even last season his title challenge collapsed in embarrassing fashion but he got away with it because of the emotions surrounding his departure.

Another point worth noting is that Klopp failed to compete with Arteta as soon as Arteta developed a title challenging squad. He won 0 league matches vs Arteta in the last two seasons which showed his inferiority as a manager.
 
topspin said:
Martinelli’s 0 G/As in the last 14 PL matches is concerning.

But it’s important to have a balanced perspective about this.

He constantly runs at defenders and wears them out. This makes Trossard’s job much easier when he comes on as a sub.

Go and check all the games Trossard has started and compare his output as a sub.

Trossard and Sterling don’t offer the same defensive work rate that Martinelli can deliver. The Brazilian didn’t perform well in the final third against Spurs but one of the reasons why we didn’t concede is because he was quick to run back and support the defence whenever the counter was on for Spurs.
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This season is probably Martinelli and Jesus' last chance to prove themselves before Arteta kicks them out and once Arteta loses faith in you, there is no redemption arc. I disagree with Martinelli starting over Trossard. Arsenal are much more composed in possession and efficient when Trossard is on the pitch in spite of his lack of pace.

Nonetheless, Sterling can solve a lot of problems if he comes good. He is significantly quicker and dynamic than Trossard and is a much smarter player than Martinelli.
 
Mamoon said:
Klopp tainted his legacy by producing two awful seasons (2020/21, 2022-23) with a side that was capable of winning the league. He massively underachieved with the players that he had at his disposal and both Pep and Arteta would have won multiple league titles with that Liverpool team.

He would have had a better legacy than he does now if his Liverpool team would have pushed City all the way in those two seasons. In fact, even last season his title challenge collapsed in embarrassing fashion but he got away with it because of the emotions surrounding his departure.

Another point worth noting is that Klopp failed to compete with Arteta as soon as Arteta developed a title challenging squad. He won 0 league matches vs Arteta in the last two seasons which showed his inferiority as a manager.
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Seriously bro. Comparing klopp and Arteta is like comparing chalk and cheese. There's levels.

There's so many points where your contradicting again.

What about the seasons where they got 97 points and 93 points. With your logic he's had a fantastic season. Mandatory open top bus parade🤣🤣🤣

Don't forget the champions league where he twice finished runners up to the mighty Real . I ain't no Liverpool fan but to compare Arteta to klopp is seriously delusional.

Then to top it because head to.head recently Arteta is better.

Pep has a inferior head to head to klopp I think, but one has 6 premier league winners compared to one.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Seriously bro. Comparing klopp and Arteta is like comparing chalk and cheese. There's levels.

There's so many points where your contradicting again.

What about the seasons where they got 97 points and 93 points. With your logic he's had a fantastic season. Mandatory open top bus parade🤣🤣🤣

Don't forget the champions league where he twice finished runners up to the mighty Real . I ain't no Liverpool fan but to compare Arteta to klopp is seriously delusional.

Then to top it because head to.head recently Arteta is better.

Pep has a inferior head to head to klopp I think, but one has 6 premier league winners compared to one.
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The two seasons where they finished runners up on 97 and 93 points were really good, but they were cancelled out by the two seasons where they finished on 69 and 67 points with a squad that was capable of winning the league. So net effect is zero. 2020/21 and 2022-23 badly exposed Klopp as a manager.

I don't care about making the UCL final. It is a cup competition at the end of the day and it does not always do a good job of separating the wheat from the chaff. The strongest team doesn't always win the UCL or make the final but you have to be the best team to win the league.

Arteta clearly has a higher ceiling than Klopp.
 
Massive blow with Odegaard. Probably be back after November international break.

Looking at the fixtures I think Newcastle away is the toughest and Liverpool at home before that. Apart from this weekend I think the rest of the games we should be able to manage.

No point whinging about it now lets just get on with the season
 
With the likes of Sterling and Trossard in the squad, Arsenal will do fine in his absence.

Different players, but they allow Arsenal tactical flexibility. For example, they could easily slot in as number 10 in a 4231 ahead of Rice-Partey/Merino/Jorginho.

You can even use Jesus in a creative role, it is worth a try because he is as useless as they come upfront.

Odegaard is one of the best players in the world and losing him for a few months is not positive news by any means, but it is not the end of the world either. Arteta will find solutions.
 
Mamoon said:
With the likes of Sterling and Trossard in the squad, Arsenal will do fine in his absence.

Different players, but they allow Arsenal tactical flexibility. For example, they could easily slot in as number 10 in a 4231 ahead of Rice-Partey/Merino/Jorginho.

You can even use Jesus in a creative role, it is worth a try because he is as useless as they come upfront.

Odegaard is one of the best players in the world and losing him for a few months is not positive news by any means, but it is not the end of the world either. Arteta will find solutions.
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Its a test for him. Will go a long way to show how far he has come as a coach if he is able to adapt without such a player like Odeegard.

Pep has done it several times. I think because of the fixtures we have the impact of his absence can be minimized. Luckily we are set piece monsters so will need to rely on that even more.

Will also be interesting to see how Ben White and Saka do without him as he really pulls the strings on that side with his clever passes enabling runs from Saka and White.

Time will tell. Hoping to see Ethan Nwaneri tonight for longer than we have so far.
 

Jay Emmanuel-Thomas: Former Arsenal, Ipswich and Aberdeen forward charged over £600,000 drugs seizur​


Footballer Jay Emmanuel-Thomas has been arrested and charged in connection with the seizure of around £600,000 worth of cannabis at Stansted Airport.

The 33-year-old - who plays for Scottish Championship side Greenock Morton - is expected to appear before Carlisle Magistrates on Thursday, accused of importing class B drugs.

Around 60 kilos of cannabis was found in two suitcases that arrived from Bangkok last month, with two women also charged before being released on bail.

Emmanuel-Thomas - who started his career at Arsenal before playing for Ipswich, Bristol City, QPR, Livingston and Aberdeen - was detained in Inverclyde on Wednesday in an operation supported by officers from Police Scotland.

National Crime Agency senior investigating officer David Phillips said: "The NCA continues to work with partners like Border Force to target those involved in drug smuggling - that includes both the couriers and the organisers.

"We would appeal to anyone who is approached to engage in any kind of smuggling to think very carefully about the likely consequences of their actions, and the potentially life-changing risks they will be taking."

In August, the NCA issued a warning to travellers arriving into the UK from Thailand, Canada and the United States that they face jail sentences of up to 14 years if caught attempting to bring cannabis into the country after a huge upsurge in arrests.

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Jay Emmanuel-Thomas: Former Arsenal, Ipswich and Aberdeen forward charged over £600,000 drugs seizure

Two suitcases with around 60kg of cannabis were seized at Stansted Airport; Jay Emmanuel-Thomas - who started his career at Arsenal before playing for Ipswich, Bristol City, QPR, Livingston and Aberdeen - was arrested and charged in relation to the incident
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Predictable game, it wasn’t going to be much different. Atalanta away is a tricky fixture and a draw is a decent result.

All time great save from Raya. That save alone vindicates Arteta’s faith in him. He has been fantastic so far this season.

Martinelli - garbage as usual. Where are the ignoramuses who kept harping about his 15 goals two seasons ago.

He is not good enough for this level and never will be. Arteta is not blind but he is delaying the inevitable with him. You can find better footballers than him in every nook and corner.
 
Mamoon said:
Predictable game, it wasn’t going to be much different. Atalanta away is a tricky fixture and a draw is a decent result.

All time great save from Raya. That save alone vindicates Arteta’s faith in him. He has been fantastic so far this season.

Martinelli - garbage as usual. Where are the ignoramuses who kept harping about his 15 goals two seasons ago.

He is not good enough for this level and never will be. Arteta is not blind but he is delaying the inevitable with him. You can find better footballers than him in every nook and corner.
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Don't worry bro. According to you , Arteta is building for the future, even in his sixth season, lol
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Yep. But somehow the clown has won more silverware than the legendary Arteta
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That mean nothing when there is league failure.

Every single United fan who isn’t an idiot would trade last season with Arsenal’s.
 
Mamoon said:
That mean nothing when there is league failure.

Every single United fan who isn’t an idiot would trade last season with Arsenal’s.
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Also rans now been touted as been successful.
 
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Inter Milan gave Man city plenty of practice as to how Arsenal will play on Sunday. Arsenal showed in last night's game how they are likely to play at eithad.

A very tight game like last season likely, biggest worry for Arsenal is the lack of ruthlessness and been clinical in games where chances are limited. Seems to be a lack of composure. Something which ultimately cost them in all competitions last season.
 
Still can't get over that Raya save!

I had my reservations on him replacing Ramsdale but not anymore.
 
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MenInG said:
Still can't get over that Raya save!

I had my reservations on him replacing Ramsdale but not anymore.
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He's been Arsenal's best player so far this season. The one issue most people had with was he need to make saves when it really mattered to help win or even draw games. He has done that this season.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
🤣🤣🤣

Nothing wrong with being optimistic bro.

As for Ugarte, bar Rodri, he's equal to Every other CDM, and don't get your silly stats out.

As for Hojlund and Haaland comparison. I'm confident, had Hojlund been in the city team, he also would have similar stats to Haaland
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Based on what bro. You cant answer a simple question. Which game have you seen against a top opposition that helps you form this opinion that Ugarte is 2nd only to Rodri. My fingers hurt after typing that.

Normally people make a statement and can back it up to some extent as they'll have a reason for it. I just cant think of how you can form an opinion of a player without watching him. And if you have watched him which big teams did he smash it against?
 
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MK7Z said:
Based on what bro. You cant answer a simple question. Which game have you seen against a top opposition that helps you form this opinion that Ugarte is 2nd only to Rodri. My fingers hurt after typing that.

Normally people make a statement and can back it up to some extent as they'll have a reason for it. I just cant think of how you can form an opinion of a player without watching him. And if you have watched him which big teams did he smash it against?
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No doubt, Ugarte is one of the Top dogs.

www.skysports.com

Manuel Ugarte to Man Utd: N'Golo Kante-like ball-winner will help shore up Erik ten Hag's midfield

Man Utd have signed Paris Saint-Germains Manuel Ugarte; Uruguay international, formerly of Sporting CP in Portugal, has been compared to NGolo Kante for his ball-winning ability and will help Erik ten Hag shore up his midfield
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Manuel Ugarte's total of 98 tackles was the highest by anyone in Ligue 1 last season; and he managed it despite starting only 21 games out of 34, for a team, in Paris Saint-Germain, who spent roughly 66 per cent of the time in possession.

The numbers underline his remarkable ball-winning prowess and they were even higher in his final campaign at previous club Sporting CP, during which the Uruguay international racked up 121 tackles in 31 games, the most by any player in Portugal's Primeira Liga.

Across the two seasons, there is only one player in Europe's major leagues who has averaged more tackles per 90 minutes and that is Joao Palhinha, the man Ugarte helped to replace in Sporting's midfield before earning his £51m move to PSG last summer.

Fast forward a year and Ugarte was in demand again. Manchester United's midfield was a problem area last season. Erik ten Hag's side were too easy to play through. Ugarte, nine years younger than the fading Casemiro at 23, could bring qualities they lacked.
 
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aboveandbeyond said:
🤣🤣🤣

Nothing wrong with being optimistic bro.

As for Ugarte, bar Rodri, he's equal to Every other CDM, and don't get your silly stats out.
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Oh God, you just won't give up.


aboveandbeyond said:
As for Hojlund and Haaland comparison. I'm confident, had Hojlund been in the city team, he also would have similar stats to Haaland
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Haaland's xG in the PL so far this season is 4.9 but has scored 9 goals. Do you have any idea how mad that actually is? Hojlund can only dream of being half as good as him.
 
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Arteta has transformed Arsenal to a real Borefest and a negative team when up against good oppossition. That's mainly to do with his lack of "in game" tactical decisions which would or could change the game in their favour, so reverting to a low block negative mentality is basically a cop out. Surely a sixth season as also rans will be the final nail in his tenure.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Arteta has transformed Arsenal to a real Borefest and a negative team when up against good oppossition. That's mainly to do with his lack of "in game" tactical decisions which would or could change the game in their favour, so reverting to a low block negative mentality is basically a cop out. Surely a sixth season as also rans will be the final nail in his tenure.
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You are now going above and beyond
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Arteta has transformed Arsenal to a real Borefest and a negative team when up against good oppossition. That's mainly to do with his lack of "in game" tactical decisions which would or could change the game in their favour, so reverting to a low block negative mentality is basically a cop out. Surely a sixth season as also rans will be the final nail in his tenure.
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When Arsenal were defensively weak, Arteta was being criticized for not being able to build a strong defense. Not that he has assembled the strongest defense in the PL, he is criticized for being negative.
 
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aboveandbeyond said:
Arteta has transformed Arsenal to a real Borefest and a negative team when up against good oppossition. That's mainly to do with his lack of "in game" tactical decisions which would or could change the game in their favour, so reverting to a low block negative mentality is basically a cop out. Surely a sixth season as also rans will be the final nail in his tenure.
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Interesting that a lot Arsenal fans wouldn't take simeone or Mourinho (in past) due to so called tactics.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Interesting that a lot Arsenal fans wouldn't take simeone or Mourinho (in past) due to so called tactics.
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Agree.

The same applies to the UTD fans I know who are gone all quiet when Ten hag is using the same tactics Jose was using and he was getting bashed.

No surprise to me Arteta using the low block tactics.

1. He's tactically inept against the quality sides.

2. He knows the pressure is mounting on him, sixth season and he has to deliver a major trophy . Problem is he can't win anything 🤣🤣🤣
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Agree.

The same applies to the UTD fans I know who are gone all quiet when Ten hag is using the same tactics Jose was using and he was getting bashed.

No surprise to me Arteta using the low block tactics.

1. He's tactically inept against the quality sides.

2. He knows the pressure is mounting on him, sixth season and he has to deliver a major trophy . Problem is he can't win anything 🤣🤣🤣
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There was no low block for the first 30 minutes against Atalanta. We dominated possession and created a couple of chances in that period.

Different game in the second half where Atalanta played like they have been playing for a while now, I.e man marking and pressing which had given lots of top clubs problems.

To come away with a point was acceptable.

Everyone has their flaws but I keep using the same word again and again and that is "perspective".
You don't go a season being the top scorers if you're deploying the low block week in week out.

Honestly, I wish I hadn't entered this debate.
 
IMMY69 said:
There was no low block for the first 30 minutes against Atalanta. We dominated possession and created a couple of chances in that period.

Different game in the second half where Atalanta played like they have been playing for a while now, I.e man marking and pressing which had given lots of top clubs problems.

To come away with a point was acceptable.

Everyone has their flaws but I keep using the same word again and again and that is "perspective".
You don't go a season being the top scorers if you're deploying the low block week in week out.

Honestly, I wish I hadn't entered this debate.
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I meant against teams who are their equal.

Arteta is not elite level when it comes tactically.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
I meant against teams who are their equal.

Arteta is not elite level when it comes tactically.
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Well it is his first managerial job and you can't knock the improvement.
Imagine if he had ETH's experience...
Teams that are not their equal? We beat City at home last season and drew at their place.

I would rather a coach who sets the team up to play to the situation than to send out a team of headless chickens that get beat by teams that are both equal or below their level.
 
IMMY69 said:
Well it is his first managerial job and you can't knock the improvement.
Imagine if he had ETH's experience...
Teams that are not their equal? We beat City at home last season and drew at their place.

I would rather a coach who sets the team up to play to the situation than to send out a team of headless chickens that get beat by teams that are both equal or below their level.
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Arteta inherited a stable ship.

On the other hand Ten hag has inherited a hot mess, which had serious underlying issues which are still to be rectified.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Compared to UTD definitely was and is.
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More nonsense. Did you just start watching football?

Utd outspent everybody in the PL during the 2010s and they have been the second largest spenders after Chelsea over the last 5 years.

When Arsenal were finishing 8th in the league, Utd were still in the top 4, including a second place finish 3 years ago.

None of these Man U mangers had it as tough as Arteta did during the post-Fergie era. They have all been trash, just like 80-90% of your signings after Fergie left.
 
topspin said:
You are the gift that keeps on giving 👏 😂

Arsenal were finishing 8th when he joined the club.

“Stable ship” 🤡
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Arsenal finished 5th the season before Arteta took over.

It's Arteta that took the club backwards and finished 8th twice, including failing to qualify for Europe for 1st time in 20+ years.

To many fans over exgerate what state team was under when Arteta took over.

In saying that united are a shambles, so their fans shouldn't exegerate either.
 
topspin said:
More nonsense. Did you just start watching football?

Utd outspent everybody in the PL during the 2010s and they have been the second largest spenders after Chelsea over the last 5 years.

When Arsenal were finishing 8th in the league, Utd were still in the top 4, including a second place finish 3 years ago.

None of these Man U mangers had it as tough as Arteta did during the post-Fergie era. They have all been trash, just like 80-90% of your signings after Fergie left.
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A guy with a staggering net spend has only delivered one solitary FA CUP.

www.express.co.uk

Arsenal have spent £186m more than Man Utd under Arteta as Rice and Timber join

Arsenal's capture of Declan Rice and Jurrien Timber will solidify their status as the Premier League's biggest net-spenders under Mikel Arteta.
www.express.co.uk www.express.co.uk
 
aboveandbeyond said:
A guy with a staggering net spend has only delivered one solitary FA CUP.

www.express.co.uk

Arsenal have spent £186m more than Man Utd under Arteta as Rice and Timber join

Arsenal's capture of Declan Rice and Jurrien Timber will solidify their status as the Premier League's biggest net-spenders under Mikel Arteta.
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Cherry picking a fixed period of spending to suit your narrative.

Utd are only one of the two clubs who have spent over a billion over the last 8 years.

You have spent £1.43 billion and £40m on managers and still haven’t won a league after the Fergie era.

https://www.skysports.com/football/story-telling/11095/12860167/man-utds-decade-in-the-dark-gbp1-45bn-spent-five-managers-and-no-title#:~:text=Man%20Utd's%20decade%20in%20the,title%20%7C%20Football%20News%20%7C%20Sky%20Sports
 
Amjid Javed said:
Arsenal finished 5th the season before Arteta took over.

It's Arteta that took the club backwards and finished 8th twice, including failing to qualify for Europe for 1st time in 20+ years.

To many fans over exgerate what state team was under when Arteta took over.

In saying that united are a shambles, so their fans shouldn't exegerate either.
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There’s a number of things that I’m not pleased with Arteta. For example, today I’ve been thinking we sold ESR when we could do with him now in Odegaard’s absence.

However, Arteta didn’t take the club backwards. A washed up Wenger, who should never have managed the club post 2012 is where Arsenal went backwards.

Under him, Arsenal failed to make the top 4 in 2017 for the first time in over 20 years.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Arteta inherited a stable ship.
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The “stable ship” was 8th in the league, winless in its last 7 matches and had a poor squad full of aged, average players on fat contracts. The club had completely forgotten what it takes to compete for the league.

You have once again reconfirmed that you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
topspin said:
There’s a number of things that I’m not pleased with Arteta. For example, today I’ve been thinking we sold ESR when we could do with him now in Odegaard’s absence.

However, Arteta didn’t take the club backwards. A washed up Wenger, who should never have managed the club post 2012 is where Arsenal went backwards.

Under him, Arsenal failed to make the top 4 in 2017 for the first time in over 20 years.
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Smith Rowe had no place in the Arsenal XI with everyone fit, and he is too good a player to waste his career on Arsenal’s bench. I was also sad to see him go but there was no other option.

Same goes for Ramsdale. Great character and presence, but he was not getting back into the playing XI and he was not going to spend another season on the bench.
 
Mamoon said:
The “stable ship” was 8th in the league, winless in its last 7 matches and had a poor squad full of aged, average players on fat contracts. The club had completely forgotten what it takes to compete for the league.

You have once again reconfirmed that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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All about opinions.

But when you put Arteta alongside Pep, then it has to be the Greatest delusion of all time
 
topspin said:
Cherry picking a fixed period of spending to suit your narrative.

Utd are only one of the two clubs who have spent over a billion over the last 8 years.

You have spent £1.43 billion and £40m on managers and still haven’t won a league after the Fergie era.

https://www.skysports.com/football/story-telling/11095/12860167/man-utds-decade-in-the-dark-gbp1-45bn-spent-five-managers-and-no-title#:~:text=Man%20Utd's%20decade%20in%20the,title%20%7C%20Football%20News%20%7C%20Sky%20Sports
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Neither has Arteta who is in his sixth season and has a staggering net spend. And all he has to show for it is a solo FA CUP.
 
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