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Australia v South Africa | 1st Test - Day 2 | Perth | 18/12/08

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These two need to try put on another 50 -100 at least. Saffers have a long tail.
 
Isnt kallis playing a bit fast toda, usually his strike rate is in 20s or 30s
 
Nice to see kallis getting a little bit of praise. You'd think the guy is useless the way the Aussie media go on.
 
saffer said:
Nice to see kallis getting a little bit of praise. You'd think the guy is useless the way the Aussie media go on.

I never thought he is useless, but Aussie commentators had been saying that he is not scoring runs with bat this year. But overall he is not a useless player, afterall he was the guy close to :moyo record even his average was high last year too. As far concerned to Aussie's they have got is to talk at people and there abilities
 
game nicely in the balance now. Much for saffies hopes depends on one of these two going on and getting a big score.
 
A poor day by Aussie standards. The Aussie bowling attack is not the same as before, this is the best chance that the South Africans have for beating the Aussies.
 
saffer said:
game nicely in the balance now. Much for saffies hopes depends on one of these two going on and getting a big score.

yeaa you are right because they dont have alot of batsmen left because JP is on debut so you cant expect him to play a big innings, so boucher he has not been really good with bat so hopefully these two will do a good job
 
Savak said:
A poor day by Aussie standards. The Aussie bowling attack is not the same as before, this is the best chance that the South Africans have for beating the Aussies.
yea you are right Savak, I believe South Africans shoud start playing a bit faster so they can make there lead asap and let Australia bat and try to bowl them out at low total
 
minhasuz said:
Isnt kallis playing a bit fast toda, usually his strike rate is in 20s or 30s
Naah, his career SR is 43.87 for tests.

Kallis always has to carry the team. What was interesting was they said that his average for tests when he scores above 20 is 90+ i.e. once he gets in, he stays in. Hopefully he can get a century in his innings as he hadn't played well this year.
 
I am really puzzled by Lee's speeds and his bowling in general. There is something missing in his bowling. That spark is not there anymore. I guess constant day to day cricket and the pressures of leading the Aussie bowling attack is now taking its toll on him.

I am not a great fan of fast bowlers playing each and every game available. It takes a toll at some point or another.
 
JustAnotherFan said:
Naah, his career SR is 43.87 for tests.

Kallis always has to carry the team. What was interesting was they said that his average for tests when he scores above 20 is 90+ i.e. once he gets in, he stays in. Hopefully he can get a century in his innings as he hadn't played well this year.

yeee buh i was omparing his stats to his 20087 innings lik we he scored 20 or 30 runs his SR was usually around 20s or 30s
 
59.6 Krejza to Kallis, SIX, that's one of the longest long hops of the day, Kallis waited an age for the ball to get to him, he got under it and heaved it over the deep midwicket boundary, that ball deserved nothing less, even Chris Martin might have fancied his chances against that
 
Matic said:
Krejza may be the Test spinner for Australia for series' to come.
I would be surprised if that was the case.
He has a career average of 45 runs per wkt! and is now averaging 33 odd per wkt in tests.
 
Johnson removes De Villiers!

Crucial blow for South Africa with only a few overs left in the day.
 
On_the_up said:
I would be surprised if that was the case.
He has a career average of 45 runs per wkt! and is now averaging 33 odd per wkt in tests.

We would be happy with an off spinner averaging 33 in Test cricket.
 
With Kallis gone Australia are now looking at a decent lead. Still hardly been one sided. There's lot to think about before this series is over.
 
Random Aussie said:
We would be happy with an off spinner averaging 33 in Test cricket.
true, but i bet that will rise to near 40 in the future. Concern is that when bowlers take a lot of wkts in a match they usually do so cheaply, as its their day, Crazy took his 12 for over 300 runs. That was his good day! mix in a few bad days and you can imagine the concequences.
 
Savak said:
A poor day by Aussie standards. The Aussie bowling attack is not the same as before, this is the best chance that the South Africans have for beating the Aussies.

See one thing about the Aussie team Savak - even though there is no doubt we are much weaker than we used to be - is the opposition has to beat us all day, not just most of the day because they do keep fighting back.

Saffers had batted well today until MJ cut them up in the dying overs.
 
Random Aussie said:
MJ now really starting to show something as a bowler.

Average is now down to 27.80

I've always thought Johnson was a prime bowler for Australia. A bit underrated by bloggers on here, he's had a terrific year and should have a few more to come.
 
Random Aussie said:
See one thing about the Aussie team Savak - even though there is no doubt we are much weaker than we used to be - is the opposition has to beat us all day, not just most of the day because they do keep fighting back.

Saffers had batted well today until MJ cut them up in the dying overs.

Can't disagree with you there, they fight to the last man as shown in their batting.
 
South Africa at it again. They'll rarely get a better pitch and opportunity as this and they're choking as usual.
 
Morne Morkel OUT, by the man who sold his soul for this spell - Mitchell Johnson.
 
Random Aussie said:
See one thing about the Aussie team Savak - even though there is no doubt we are much weaker than we used to be - is the opposition has to beat us all day, not just most of the day because they do keep fighting back.

Saffers had batted well today until MJ cut them up in the dying overs.

No doubt, it is taken for granted that no matter how strong or weak an aussie team is, they will fight till the very end but i must admit they failed to show that fight in India when it mattered.

Btw, i must also add that the Saffies are the biggest idiots on the face of this earth to mess up after being in a good position. The choker tag remains undisputed.
 
Wow, this is possibly the best spell I have ever seen.

Mitchell Johnson cleaning up the tail, gets his 7th wicket as Paul Harris goes. Dale Steyn walks in.
 
Good bowling by Johnson, but a poor effort by the SA tail, Australia's last four all reached double figures, could prove vital.
 
Mitchel Johnson the next Wasim Akram. Take my word for it. You have to admire his willingness to run in all day, bowl at 140-144 km/hr day in day out. This guy is going to go places. If he can just improve his swing and reverse swing. We may have someone who can remind us of Akram.
 
South Africa 243/8 at stumps, thanks to Mitchell Johnson who takes 5 wickets in 5 overs.
 
He's got the Midas touch today, he's bowled brilliantly but that last ball was nothing special but still got him a wicket.

Well deserved nonetheless, usually your best balls get you no reward.
 
I completely underestimated what legendary chokers the South Africans really are. But my concerns remain the same, Lee at the moment is just a complete shadow of himself, Siddle is new so thats ok. Kretza is also new. But Johnson is the real stand out, he is the actual spearhead of the Aussie attack.

He deserves a lot more credit then he ends up getting. Today he has delivered the performance of his life.
 
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Muhammad said:
More like 30 minutes ago!

Well my son left for school at 8.50am - we checked the score - SA were 200 odd for 3.

And I told him SA were winning. Then I left the house.

Interesting
 
Savak said:
Mitchel Johnson the next Wasim Akram. Take my word for it. You have to admire his willingness to run in all day, bowl at 140-144 km/hr day in day out. This guy is going to go places. If he can just improve his swing and reverse swing. We may have someone who can remind us of Akram.

Relax he bowled well but Akram is the greatest left arm bowler ever. Some of the SA shots were as bad as the Aussies on day one, McKenzie's shot was a sign of the choking that was to come.
 
Savak said:
Btw, i must also add that the Saffies are the biggest idiots on the face of this earth to mess up after being in a good position. The choker tag remains undisputed.
Savak ... put a cork in it. This match isn't over.

I'd proud of being a Saffer and am proud of where they are in World Cricket. At least my team is playing test cricket at the moment. :)))
 
JustAnotherFan said:
Savak ... put a cork in it. This match isn't over.

I'd proud of being a Saffer and am proud of where they are in World Cricket. At least my team is playing test cricket at the moment. :)))

Ouch, low blow. :(
 
JustAnotherFan said:
Savak ... put a cork in it. This match isn't over.

I'd proud of being a Saffer and am proud of where they are in World Cricket. At least my team is playing test cricket at the moment. :)))

JAF a really poor and irrelevant response. There is no better word to describe the South African performance today than "Choke".
 
Savak said:
JAF a really poor and irrelevant response. There is no better word to describe the South African performance today than "Choke".
Well then apologise for calling my team idiotic.
 
diondublin said:
Relax he bowled well but Akram is the greatest left arm bowler ever. Some of the SA shots were as bad as the Aussies on day one, McKenzie's shot was a sign of the choking that was to come.

I didnt say he was better than Akram. He still has a long way to go but he has the potential to be as lethal as Akram. Most importantly he has raw pace, i havent seen a left arm fast bowler as quick and aggressive as Akram and MJ today. With more hard work and working on a few things he can really become a force. He is in my view currently the guy who is spearheading the Aussie Attack as oppossed to Lee.
 
JustAnotherFan said:
Well then apologise for calling my team idiotic.

I apologize but i struggle to understand how can you have a smile when ur team threw away a decent position and lost 5 for 13.
 
Savak said:
i havent seen a left arm fast bowler as quick and aggressive as Akram and MJ today.

You were obviously watching M Khalil bowling with your eyes closed!
 
Johnson crushes S.A chance of pulling it off this game. Oh well....credit where it's due. What promised to be a close game fizzled out rather quickly in a great spell.
 
JustAnotherFan said:
Savak ... put a cork in it. This match isn't over.

I'd proud of being a Saffer and am proud of where they are in World Cricket. At least my team is playing test cricket at the moment. :)))

Btw its because of countries like you, Australia, NZ and England that we arent playing test cricket at the moment. If only we had the unlimited supply of $$$$$$$$$ necessary to make it happen.
 
saffer said:
Johnson crushes S.A chance of pulling it off this game. Oh well....credit where it's due. What promised to be a close game fizzled out rather quickly in a great spell.

SA just haven't been intense enough at critical junctures, first letting OZ recover from 15 for 3 then letting their tail wag relentlessly last evening and this morning.

Then Smith/Amla had them running for cover, both out in consecutive overs and the icing on the cake followed De Villiers dismissal.

The openings have been sealed up all too clinically by the still resoluted OZ machine.
 
Savak said:
I apologize but i struggle to understand how can you have a smile when ur team threw away a decent position and lost 5 for 13.
It is part of cricket. I have seen it before.

Decent bowling. Once the partnership was broken.

This was Duminy's first test. Unlucky to get out. He shouldn't have gone.

Aussie spirits were up and field placings were set well. The pressure was on the tail.

Then the wicket's dropped.

Well played Aus. :(
 
Only solace for South Africa is that their is tomorrow, South Africa must fight back and either win or draw tomorrows play, if they get bullied around again I can see them falling apart.
 
Savak said:
Btw its because of countries like you, Australia, NZ and England that we arent playing test cricket at the moment. If only we had the unlimited supply of $$$$$$$$$ necessary to make it happen.
Savak, ignore my knee-jerk comment earlier. We all want Pakistan to be playing test cricket.
 
forget lee, johnson is clearly the attack leader, don't forget this a batters dream, spinners wise, i think krejza's a good en, he was turning it square earlier on a wicket were murli and warne described as a night mare for spinners
 
i think there is comparisons between akram and johnson, both wasim was express at odd times, and johnson who is always fast, and currently the quickest in the world on a consistant bases, i always knew he was the quickest on either of the 2 teams, but siddle surprised me for his hostile pace
 
Brilliant Day for Australia. The tail wagged even further and S.A super collapse has put them on back foot. MJ was simply brilliant and the spell was almost as good as Ambroses spell off 7 wkts for 1 run all those years ago. S.A only saving grace is Boucher is still in and they could still get 300!
 
saj786 said:
i think there is comparisons between akram and johnson, both wasim was express at odd times, and johnson who is always fast, and currently the quickest in the world on a consistant bases, i always knew he was the quickest on either of the 2 teams, but siddle surprised me for his hostile pace

Akram was one of the greatest swing bowlers of all time, what made him special was his ability to swing the ball into the right handers add to this his quick arm action and I can't see any comparison between the two.

Johnson just bowls with his natural angle across the right handers at a lively pace. True quality players should have no trouble with him. I rate Siddle as a greater prospect than Johnson, if Johnson don't find his swing he'll just be another :Sami
 
diondublin said:
Akram was one of the greatest swing bowlers of all time, what made him special was his ability to swing the ball into the right handers add to this his quick arm action and I can't see any comparison between the two.

Johnson just bowls with his natural angle across the right handers at a lively pace. True quality players should have no trouble with him. I rate Siddle as a greater prospect than Johnson, if Johnson don't find his swing he'll just be another :Sami

Its never to late to learn, Johnson will get better with more games under his belt. And no i dont think he will turn out to be another Sami, Johnson atleast knows how to take wickets.
 
I remeber RA and a few others said Aussies total at time was not enough and i said let both teams bat on the surface and that tells you really how a surface is playing. A lead of 100 for Australia would be huge espcially if there batting fires in 2nd inns.

I think there are a few more twists and turns left in this game.
 
diondublin said:
Akram was one of the greatest swing bowlers of all time, what made him special was his ability to swing the ball into the right handers add to this his quick arm action and I can't see any comparison between the two.

Johnson just bowls with his natural angle across the right handers at a lively pace. True quality players should have no trouble with him. I rate Siddle as a greater prospect than Johnson, if Johnson don't find his swing he'll just be another :Sami
read my post who's talking about quality, i'm suggesting simmilarities in speed, and johnson is more of a shock bowler than a containing swinger like zaheer or sidebottom, dont forget this is one hell of a flat track, so give credit where its due, the guy was steamin in all day, a captains dream if u ask me
 
Um, I don't want tp upset Pak fans here. But Alan Davidson is the best left-arm quick of all time. Try and find some footage if you can, he bowled lightning bolts, and according to Neil Harvey swung the ball the most he's ever seen anyone. That said, Mitch Johnson, inspite of today's performance, isn't fit to polish Wasims shoes. He got lucky, he'll need to develop a few more tricks to be dangerous to non-choking teams.
 
saj786 said:
read my post who's talking about quality, i'm suggesting simmilarities in speed, and johnson is more of a shock bowler than a containing swinger like zaheer or sidebottom, dont forget this is one hell of a flat track, so give credit where its due, the guy was steamin in all day, a captains dream if u ask me

:19: :19:
 
Milroastnescafe said:
Um, I don't want tp upset Pak fans here. But Alan Davidson is the best left-arm quick of all time. Try and find some footage if you can, he bowled lightning bolts, and according to Neil Harvey swung the ball the most he's ever seen anyone. That said, Mitch Johnson, inspite of today's performance, isn't fit to polish Wasims shoes. He got lucky, he'll need to develop a few more tricks to be dangerous to non-choking teams.
thats your opinion, just like lillee, great on his own tracks but pathetic on sub continent wickets, davidson was good on wickets that assisted him, like most bowlers from countries like eng, aus good on wickets that assist but very poor on sub continent wickets, a bit like the current england seam attack, but real greats like wasim, imran ,marshall, waqar were champions every were they played
 
saj786 said:
thats your opinion, just like lillee, great on his own tracks but pathetic on sub continent wickets, davidson was good on wickets that assisted him, like most bowlers from countries like eng, aus good on wickets that assist but very poor on sub continent wickets, a bit like the current england seam attack, but real greats like wasim, imran ,marshall, waqar were champions every were they played

Though I don't agree with Milro's opinion(naturally biased towards our own champ) but I don't think the charge against Davidson that he was ineffective in the sub-continent has an ounce of substance. He was pretty awesome just about everywhere!
 
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