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Bilal7 said:
You do realize that there have only been 8 instances of a successful chase of 500+? And I'm talking about all forms of cricket; international, domestic, IPL.

Australia have this game in the bag, if they bowl horribly, England might draw this.
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Kiwi (I mean Aman) reckons it's easy. Just get yourself in and bat :D
 
soso_killer said:
Go for 600. Even if they are 200/2 they still need 400. And they are unlikely to bat at anywhere near 3 to the over as well.
Tyd is genoeg vir Australie. Hulle moet nie paniekerig raak
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Where are you watching? If it's a stream then a delayed one. Aus declared a while back. See some posts above.
 
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England not planning to score anytime soon. 0/1 off a leg bye
 
England 1/1. If we can snaffle a couple more before stumps it would be awesome
 
Trott :out for 9, Jonno gets his bunny again

Kevinder trots out, too much time left for a nightwatchman I think
 
Trott again gone with a short ball. He has a huge problem and Aus is going to keep bowling this .
 
Geez Bailey farked that up he took the bail off and didn't catch the ball cleanly that would've been the end of Cook
 
Another wicket before stumps, preferably Kevinder, and this will have been a perfect day
 
Only hope for England is to score big like in high 300s and build some confidence for the rest of the series
 
Aussies are showing the desperation to win. England thought it would be enough if they turn up for the match like in the last Ashes earlier this year.
 
Feel sorry for Carberry. Genuinely unlucky dismissal.

No such sympathy for Trott. That was a tail-end innings. He's on paper-thin ice.
 
Sandeep99 said:
Can't play the short ball? Can't control it?
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He could, but has developed a technical problem which is choking him up. He's only moving forward, not back and is only hitting it to one area of the field.
 
James said:
Feel sorry for Carberry. Genuinely unlucky dismissal.

No such sympathy for Trott. That was a tail-end innings. He's on paper-thin ice.
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It felt like he didn't want to be dominated by a hack like Jonno so he tried to hit him on the leg side even though that's how he had been getting out.
 
Kevinder's the big wicket. If we can snaffle him I would sleep much easier tonight.
 
Robert said:
He could, but has developed a technical problem which is choking him up. He's only moving forward, not back and is only hitting it to one area of the field.
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Trott is this typical Saffer who develops a mental block and struggles (Cullinan-Warne anyone?). In fact, even in India it was Cook, KP and Panesar who had resurrected England from a seemingly impossible position in the series.
 
Trott's place now ranks as under threat. I don't think they will drop him for Adelaide, but two more of those dismissals and the debate that says Jonathan is actually a batsman will be looking quite open.
 
OZGOD mind giving an explanation about your avatar? Does David Warner use PakPassion? :D
 
Bell is criminally underutilized at 5. But I don't think Bairstow is the right replacement for Trott. Need a more solid batsman
 
These 2 look solid #nojinxintended

It would be awesome if England chase this
 
I think England's problems with Cook's partner is more worrying than a near 50 averaging batsman.

Both Compton and Carberry are very limited. Should have shown a little more patience with Root.
 
Sandeep99 said:
Trott is this typical Saffer who develops a mental block and struggles (Cullinan-Warne anyone?). In fact, even in India it was Cook, KP and Panesar who had resurrected England from a seemingly impossible position in the series.
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maar KP is a Saffer?
 
Bell has come of age now and is a genuinely world class batsman.

He will do well in any position/role now.
 
Mamoon_ said:
I think England's problems with Cook's partner is more worrying than a near 50 averaging batsman.

Both Compton and Carberry are very limited. Should have shown a little more patience with Root.
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Root isn't the best against the new ball.

I don't there's an Englishmen that actually wants him to open.
 
This really is an ideal situation for a player like Cook..of course in terms of batting..just bat according to his pace
 
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Before culling him entirely, they could try Trott in the middle order. He batted 5 on debut at the Oval and got a ton. The new ball has more pace and bounce on these wickets, and clearly he can't deal with that at the moment.
 
Aman said:
Root isn't the best against the new ball.

I don't there's an Englishmen that actually wants him to open.
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He struggled yes but also got a near double at Lord's. His potential and ability is great than that of Compton and Carberry combined.

I believe he deserves a long rope as an opener.
 
James said:
Before culling him entirely, they could try Trott in the middle order. He batted 5 on debut at the Oval and got a ton. The new ball has more pace and bounce on these wickets, and clearly he can't deal with that at the moment.
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Not sure if you have a number 3 in your squad.

Wouldn't back Bell at number 3 in Australia. I'm not really sure why but I just have a gut feeling he'd struggle at 3 over here.
 
Can't just toss Trott out long term, he's been very useful for England. But he's been found out and someone needs to work with him. Someone should really have worked with him over the gap between the Ashes in England and now. Just like Gilly was found out by Flingtoff but came back after making technical adjustments.
 
Stumps 2/24, England need 537 with 8 wickets in hand and 2 days to play
 
Root is a potential world class batsman from England and I would prefer him to first find his feet in International cricket at 5-6 before asking him to open..
 
Sandeep99 said:
Root is a potential world class batsman from England and I would prefer him to first find his feet in International cricket at 5-6 before asking him to open..
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Nah throw him into the fire against a world class bowler like Harris :)
 
Trott is a very good batsman, better than anyone else that England have, that is capable of playing at #3. He should be persisted with.
 
England better pray for the rain gods, even if they only lose 3-4 wickets tomorrow its as good as over.
 
Sandeep99 said:
no offence mate, South Africa is the best team now anyway..
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none taken. But seriously i've never understood this mental block thing with SA. And its mostly transfered from World Cups to every format of the game which i dont get.
For starters South Africa has the highest ever chase in an ODI game. Check.
The 2nd highest chase in Tests. Check.
Batted for 2 days to see out Australia. Check. Undefeated away in 7 years. Check.
Only two series defeats in 7 years. Check.

I always here contradictory stuff regarding SA. "They cant play spin" being a good example. Despite having the best win ratio in Asia for a none Asian side IIRC.

Lets look at Australia failed to defend a world record score in ODI's. Failed to defend 414 in Tests.
Bottled a lead of 180+ in Cape Town (got bowled out for 47).
I think they lost a game in India after making a declaration and a lead of over 200.
Failed to defend 350 twice in India recently.
But no ever associates Australia with a mental block.
 
They also had South Africa 7 down in 2008 with a lead of 200+. Instead allowed Dumminy to build a 150+ stand with Steyn. In the end SA had a lead of 66.
Mental block or resilience?
 
soso_killer said:
none taken. But seriously i've never understood this mental block thing with SA. And its mostly transfered from World Cups to every format of the game which i dont get.
For starters South Africa has the highest ever chase in an ODI game. Check.
The 2nd highest chase in Tests. Check.
Batted for 2 days to see out Australia. Check. Undefeated away in 7 years. Check.
Only two series defeats in 7 years. Check.

I always here contradictory stuff regarding SA. "They cant play spin" being a good example. Despite having the best win ratio in Asia for a none Asian side IIRC.

Lets look at Australia failed to defend a world record score in ODI's. Failed to defend 414 in Tests.
Bottled a lead of 180+ in Cape Town (got bowled out for 47).
I think they lost a game in India after making a declaration and a lead of over 200.
Failed to defend 350 twice in India recently.
But no ever associates Australia with a mental block.
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South Africans are definite chokers. It is as established a fact as the sky is blue. :afridi
 
soso_killer said:
none taken. But seriously i've never understood this mental block thing with SA. And its mostly transfered from World Cups to every format of the game which i dont get.
For starters South Africa has the highest ever chase in an ODI game. Check.
The 2nd highest chase in Tests. Check.
Batted for 2 days to see out Australia. Check. Undefeated away in 7 years. Check.
Only two series defeats in 7 years. Check.

I always here contradictory stuff regarding SA. "They cant play spin" being a good example. Despite having the best win ratio in Asia for a none Asian side IIRC.

Lets look at Australia failed to defend a world record score in ODI's. Failed to defend 414 in Tests.
Bottled a lead of 180+ in Cape Town (got bowled out for 47).
I think they lost a game in India after making a declaration and a lead of over 200.
Failed to defend 350 twice in India recently.
But no ever associates Australia with a mental block.
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It's all to do with the World Cup. Winning that will get the monkey off your back.
 
I'll leave it at this, Trott is by nature a limited batsman and his acute understanding of his limitations and ability to play within them led him to be the safety for England's middle order. The fault with him lies in that he's attempting to become a batsman that he simply isn't, an aggressive batsman, and instead he's become daunted by the occasion when before he'd very often around the park be nearly in a trance for much of all his innings. Both balls that removed them are balls that, three years ago, he'd happily leave alone. It's a pity too, the man was one of my fondest to watch simply for admiring his resiliency and his leg-side drives. For me, the loss of Trott's form is one of the largest reasons England is no longer the batting behemoth it became during its ascent to Number 1.
 
soso_killer said:
none taken. But seriously i've never understood this mental block thing with SA. And its mostly transfered from World Cups to every format of the game which i dont get.
For starters South Africa has the highest ever chase in an ODI game. Check.
The 2nd highest chase in Tests. Check.
Batted for 2 days to see out Australia. Check. Undefeated away in 7 years. Check.
Only two series defeats in 7 years. Check.

I always here contradictory stuff regarding SA. "They cant play spin" being a good example. Despite having the best win ratio in Asia for a none Asian side IIRC.

Lets look at Australia failed to defend a world record score in ODI's. Failed to defend 414 in Tests.
Bottled a lead of 180+ in Cape Town (got bowled out for 47).
I think they lost a game in India after making a declaration and a lead of over 200.
Failed to defend 350 twice in India recently.
But no ever associates Australia with a mental block.
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AB is your biggest choker, at least Amla looks solid and composed whereas AB always looks anxious when ever some pressure is applied.
 
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Aman said:
AB is your biggest choker, at least Amla looks solid and composed whereas AB always looks anxious when ever some pressure is applied.
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AB scored a century chasing 414 at a tender age of 24. How many players have done that? Let alone at 24?
 
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soso_killer said:
but i dont get what the world cup has anything to do with Test cricket?
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It doesn't. But that's where the perception that SA are mentally weak comes from. It shouldn't, as it's two different formats, but that's where it comes from. Same as the OZ rugby scrum. It can perform well and dominate teams like England during off years, but everyone remembers our scrum getting crunched during WC time and that's what everyone remembers.

Win the WC and it will kill that perception for good.
 
South African choking is like your English poaching, Pakistani ball-tampering, India pitch-doctoring and Aussie conning of the umpires - accusations that never sit well with the relevant set of fans, but appear very credible to everybody else and so will always be used relentlessly as a mick-taking exercise. Got to get used to it.

( And it's true :kallis )
 
Aman said:
Talking ODI cricket.
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ah.. 1st this is a test thread. Even in ODI's he averages 45+. If i'm not mistaken he averages 50+ at 2nd dig (while chasing). I stand corrected, if thats the case your argument has no water.

Whats his average in World Cups? I think he has done well there too. Again i stand corrected.
 
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