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Egyptians shooting themselves in the foot?

For more than a month the secularists were dehumanizing the MB, saying they deserve to die and be wiped out.
Now that the killings started, they are cheering saying terrorists are dying

the cowards are powerless against israel but can happily kill Egyptian children
 
Imagine if this was reversed and the MB was doing the crackdown. Every single western leader would be lining up infront of the media right now. The world is a sick place
 
A SKY news cameraman is also amongst the dead.

Total chaos
 
Death toll up to 149 now. Unbelievable, seems that Egypt is sliding into civil war as the divisions in that country seem far deeper than a mere political crisis.

Now Vice President Mohamed El Baradei has resigned.
 
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read today that a 10 year old girl was shot dead when she was returning from her Bible studies. minorities in the crosshair in the fight between islamists and secularists.
 
Death toll up to 149 now. Unbelievable, seems that Egypt is sliding into civil war as the divisions in that country seem far deeper than a mere political crisis.

Now Vice President Mohamed El Baradei has resigned.

A very heavy handed and inflammatory response here. But how do you solve this problem and stop this country from sliding into civil war?
 
A very heavy handed and inflammatory response here. But how do you solve this problem and stop this country from sliding into civil war?

All political parties need to sit around the table - everyone from Islamists to secularists have to be involved in any kind of discussions.

Unfortunately the political process has excluded a lot of stakeholders in Egypt, many didn't turn out for the elections last year and governments have lacked legitimacy which is being shown by the deep divisions in Egypt.

Arab League/UN intervention also has to be considered.
 
after tahrir square, my egyptian colleague was beaming with joy.. when i congratulated him, he went on for half an hour that how it will be a great era for egypt..and how for the first time in the thousands of years of egyptian history they will have an elected govt for the first time.

later when things went topsy turvy, we would talk about everything except egypt..pretending nothing has happened. i didnt want to scratch his disappointment and he didnt want to talk about his disillusionment.
 
Too much of the Mubarak regime remained in positions of power, that added with Morsis stupidity and secular/western propaganda has led too all all this. It's funny that people expected morsi to fix the nation in one year when it has been raped for 40
 
It's different in Egypt, their whole Army is in the pocket of the U.S. and their politician are nationalists. While our army is nationalistic and our politicians are US based..
 
^ too much generalization there. It's not black and white. I personally think musharff was nationalist but he got bought as well. He let the Americans flood into Pakistan and now they have infiltrated too deeply.

Similary in Egypt you weren't going to remove the influence of people of been in power for decades just like that
 
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Thats wrong. The police car was being stoned, so when it tried to reverse, it fell off the bridge
 
There is a difference between liberals in Pakistan & egypt


In Egypt, the liberals/Copts are cheering the massacre and saying things like "kill all bearded Muslim maniacs", "where is your Allah to protect you?"

Just see the celeberation videos of policemen after killing innocents, its as if they are fighting a war.

The Pakistani liberals, for all their annoying habits, wont cheer wanton massacre on streets
 
Violence will only beget more violence.

I am strongly against Morsi and the Islamists ... but killing them indiscriminately is not the answer.
 
Protesters push a police APC off a bridge.


There's also a video of Morsi suppoters pushing people of a roof to their death ... and then more MB guys beating on their dead bodies.

I wont post it here ... its too gruesome.
 
Who's to blame here?

It looks like they made their own beds, but I have to check.
 
There's also a video of Morsi suppoters pushing people of a roof to their death ... and then more MB guys beating on their dead bodies.

I wont post it here ... its too gruesome.

It was from the protests in Alexandria after the Coup in June

One cannot use one killing in one place to justify wanton massacre in another

If that is the case then everything from tianamen to the Armenian massacre to killing Native Americans can be justified.
After all, there may have been Armenians attacking Turks or Native Americans attacking white settlers.

What happened yesterday was an assault on sit-in protesters without any major arms. Planting a few bullets in the camp does not prove anything.
 
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An old warning that only people who have lived in the ME will know

DONT apply democratic principles of the West on ME - doesnt work - the culture is inherently undemocratic.

So you had democracy with Morsi but not the "right" kind of democracy?? Welcome to the new hell as this will never stop.
 
Infrared images show that MB fired on the police.

Apparent propaganda pics from MB where a MB loyalist posing dead in several pics taken in diff locations.

MB supporters attack Egypt's historical Alexandria Library

Egyptian forum member's opinion on MB:

I am Egyptian, and I've been reading every comment regarding this and I feel as though people don't know who the MB really are. They think it just a recent faction and are just standing up for a sole man to be brought back in power because he was stripped out before he could accomplish anything. What they don't realize is how dangerous these people are, and what kind of track record they have. They are plain and simply put, terrorists. I feel so frustrated reading these comments but I finally found someone that has made not just one, but two logical statements. And for that I thank you and I wish you all the upvotes you can get. It will be an interesting day today in Egypt, here is to hoping the dust clears and we can for once and for all get rid of these scums
 
Posting one egyptian forum member's post is useless as plenty of liberal egyptians/copts hate the MB and actively cheer their massacre.


There are plenty of other Egyptians (and nonegyptians) who see the massacre for what it was
 
Infrared images show that MB fired on the police.

Apparent propaganda pics from MB where a MB loyalist posing dead in several pics taken in diff locations.

MB supporters attack Egypt's historical Alexandria Library

Egyptian forum member's opinion on MB:

I am Egyptian, and I've been reading every comment regarding this and I feel as though people don't know who the MB really are. They think it just a recent faction and are just standing up for a sole man to be brought back in power because he was stripped out before he could accomplish anything. What they don't realize is how dangerous these people are, and what kind of track record they have. They are plain and simply put, terrorists. I feel so frustrated reading these comments but I finally found someone that has made not just one, but two logical statements. And for that I thank you and I wish you all the upvotes you can get. It will be an interesting day today in Egypt, here is to hoping the dust clears and we can for once and for all get rid of these scums

Why not hitler's quotes on germany and how the jewish race was to blame for their shortingcomings

Or is that insensitive and factually inccorect, deeply irresponsible and above all full of crap

Go hang your head in shame, you genocide advocate, dirty scum bag
 
Over 600 people killed.

People who cheered Morsi's departure should be ashamed

The same media who were glorifying the mob in Tehreer etc now shedding crocodile tears for the 600+ dead today

No shame at all - Muslim blood is so cheap.
 
Infrared images show that MB fired on the police.

Apparent propaganda pics from MB where a MB loyalist posing dead in several pics taken in diff locations.

MB supporters attack Egypt's historical Alexandria Library

Egyptian forum member's opinion on MB:

I am Egyptian, and I've been reading every comment regarding this and I feel as though people don't know who the MB really are. They think it just a recent faction and are just standing up for a sole man to be brought back in power because he was stripped out before he could accomplish anything. What they don't realize is how dangerous these people are, and what kind of track record they have. They are plain and simply put, terrorists. I feel so frustrated reading these comments but I finally found someone that has made not just one, but two logical statements. And for that I thank you and I wish you all the upvotes you can get. It will be an interesting day today in Egypt, here is to hoping the dust clears and we can for once and for all get rid of these scums

Have some shame and not try to push your secular agenda for once, Just pathetic.
 
It is time for Muslims to set aside sectarian, theological, tribal, nationalistic, and political differences. There will be absolutely no change in the terrible state of the Muslim Ummah unless and until every single believer resolves to make peace between all of the disparate factions amongst Muslims.

We cannot, and should not, await a saviour to rescue us from the disasters of our own making. Only Allah SWT has the power and ability to change the direction of our collective destiny - He alone possesses the sole authority to save us all from catastrophic internecine warfare.

Never once did any of the Prophets (pbut), including the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), call upon family members, companions, and followers to take to the streets, demanding a change in the systems of government which only the elite profited and benefited from; nor did they invite their compatriots and co-religionists to employ violence to uproot unjust governmental authorities. They preached the pure message of peace, truth, equity, and justice. When those in powerful positions refused to heed their call to guidance, and thereafter threatened them with torture, death, or expulsion, they emigrated. And along with them, emigrated those who had accepted the Message from Allah SWT, and how few were they!

No matter the rage or the helpless despair we may feel at this tragic time, our recourse is to none other than Allah SWT. We cannot blame the West, or any other political, religious entities, for our suffering. The Promise of Allah SWT is categorically clear: for as long as we, self-professed Muslims, fulfil the conditions of our Faith, we will succeed - at both individual and collective level; and for as long as we abandon the conditions of Faith, we will witness, as well as experience, nothing but disgrace, humiliation, pain and torment.

Remember, that unity is not an option: it is a fundamental requirement of Faith, it is thus, an obligation. Let no Sunni or Shi'aa, no Arab, African, Asian, or European Muslim turn - haughtily and arrogantly - away from any other Muslim. Turn towards each other, with great love and mercy, worship together in each other's masaajid, and permit reconciliation, compromise, and peace to flow between believers.

Change, change, change, the inner heart of the body of Muslims, so that a beautiful transformation may take place. Allah SWT, in HIS Infinite Generosity, sent us His Last Messenger (pbuh), with His Last Revelations - uncorrupted and unaltered - and appointed each and every one of us "Witnesses to the Truth" before humankind. We must accept this role with humility, perform it to the best of our ability, and leave all else to Allah SWT: He, alone, is Sufficient for Muslims, as Protector, Defender, Guardian, Preserver, and Saviour.

Wa Llahu 'Alam
God Knows Best
 
We always mention that these people are 'Muslims' and they are of course but their actions aren't influenced by their religion. This is a civil war based on pretty much non-religious differences and backed by an Axis of Evil of the Christian West, The Jewish Israel and Muslim Saudia.

Muslims are complex people like peoples of every race or religion, simplifying what goes on to Muslims straying from Islam although true, doesn't do justice to the complexity of the problem IMO.
 
Have some shame and not try to push your secular agenda for once, Just pathetic.

Its became a recent trend for these people on PP to come and take pleasure from the deaths of those who are different to them or hold different beliefs. QF has been called out many times for deliberately derailing threads to push his agenda and he has the shame to do it when people are genuinely saddened at one of the worst tragedies in modern times.
 
Have some shame and not try to push your secular agenda for once, Just pathetic.

What secular agenda? Trying to show the other side of the conflict as well. There's no joy when people on both sides of the fence dying. This is not a black and white issue as it being made out to be by certain posters....Here's a report on policemen massacred inside the police station by Pro-Morsi crowd. Any sympathy for these victims or are they simply being discarded as "Western puppets?"

I have sympathy for the victims who gave their lives for the future of their country but I have zero sympathy for MB who has been busy terrorizing the country, burning down churches and attacking people. Muslim Brotherhood is a minority of muslim extremists who are becoming violent because they want the country their way and no other. They see any compromise as working against their faith and that is not acceptable. However, MB's majoritarianism cannot be used to justify killing protestors and then legitimize the coup.

Egypt needs to organize proper incentives of dialogue and stabilization to be brought on the table by people of influence, both internationally as well as domestically and people like Mohamed Elbaradei needs to play an important role in the crucial effort to avert the outbreak of a devastating, full-fledged civil war. At the moment, Egypt's path to a modern society that respects the life, freedom and dignity of the individual human being is constricted by the social fabric that is comprised of 18th century revolutionist movements, 14th century moral traditions and 20th century military authoritarianism.
 
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Infrared images show that MB fired on the police.

Apparent propaganda pics from MB where a MB loyalist posing dead in several pics taken in diff locations.

MB supporters attack Egypt's historical Alexandria Library

Egyptian forum member's opinion on MB:

I am Egyptian, and I've been reading every comment regarding this and I feel as though people don't know who the MB really are. They think it just a recent faction and are just standing up for a sole man to be brought back in power because he was stripped out before he could accomplish anything. What they don't realize is how dangerous these people are, and what kind of track record they have. They are plain and simply put, terrorists. I feel so frustrated reading these comments but I finally found someone that has made not just one, but two logical statements. And for that I thank you and I wish you all the upvotes you can get. It will be an interesting day today in Egypt, here is to hoping the dust clears and we can for once and for all get rid of these scums

MB won the elections several times...
they have every right to use whatever mean to fight this dictatorship...
I hope that a proper rebellion start in Egypt ...and persecute these dictators...

The political turmoil in Egypt reached new heights on Wednesday, following reports that the vice president had resigned to protest the police crackdown on supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi.

Mohamed ElBaradei submitted a letter of resignation on Wednesday to interim President Adly Mansour, the former head of the Supreme Constitutional Court who has taken over control of the country following military action that deposed Morsi in early July. Mansor had named ElBaradei as his deputy for foreign relations.

and this guy was in opposition
 
Over 600 people killed.

People who cheered Morsi's departure should be ashamed


The same media who were glorifying the mob in Tehreer etc now shedding crocodile tears for the 600+ dead today

No shame at all - Muslim blood is so cheap.

Why should they be in shame ? They have not personally killed or called for their killing. How is Muslim blood any different from normal human being's ?
 
This revolution, if you like, is no coincidence. Financial and economical troubles are always the prime instigators of such widespread movements, with religion being a mere facade. We're talking about a country whose population has shot up by astronomical amounts, relying and residing on the sole natural resource of the Nile river.

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And the backbone of their survival is food and fuel subsidies (the former, mainly bread) to cultivate the limited arable land that is - it ain't coincidence - found only on the banks of this great river.

And now that Egypt has become a net importer of crude, the squeeze is on. Good luck paying close to a hundred dollars a barell per day to feed and clothe their populace.

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Egyptian women should be asked to do something else other than only have half a dozen children. It's a pity that they're falling apart - I've been there back in 2007 and even taken that famous cruise from Alexandria down to Luxor and it's an awesome place.

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e. Muslim Brotherhood is a minority of muslim extremists who are becoming violent because they want the country their way and no other. They see any compromise as working against their faith and that is not acceptable. However, MB's majoritarianism cannot be used to justify killing protestors and then legitimize the coup.
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MB became violent after 1000+ people were killed in cold blood for daring to have a sit-in

If the MB really were violent, they would have massacred protesters of the Tamarod movement calling for Morsi overthrow at Tahrir

When MB wants Egypt their way, they are accused of daring to want things their way

When the liberals led by Sisi want their country their own way and kill people for it, its seen as perfectly legitimate


All said, its the image associated with MB; people dont care whether they are good or not, they see a group of bearded men with Qurans praying and they consider them terrorists because they dont like the way they look.

I can understand non Muslims actling like that but when so called born Muslims do so, it is sad indeed
 
Why should they be in shame ? They have not personally killed or called for their killing. How is Muslim blood any different from normal human being's ?

Calling for a change of a democratically govt while sitting on their sofas without regard for the realities on the ground.

Ofcourse if one supports this kind of change they should feel the responsibility for its consequences.
 
News reporting that the security forces are STILL shooting people. This is disgusting, the Egyptian army seem to think the blood of their own people is cheap. Mosque loudspeakers are being used to call for doctors.

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Several shot dead in Ramses Sq arriving in nearby mosque on backs of motorscooters.

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Floor of mosque covered in injured, dead in a corner, wounds including live bullets to stomach.

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Clear that Egyptian authorities again stopping at nothing to get protestors off streets.

I hope all those sitting in Tahrir Square back in June are satisfied now.

They complained that Morsi was too authoritarian - and yet support the bloodthirsty Egyptian army in this vicious crackdown of MB protesters - what total hypocrites !
 
Fair play to John McCain, as rabidly conservative as he is, he is right on this issue. The US, Egypt's biggest backer, should have cut off the military aid by now.

US Republican Senator John McCain told BBC Newsnight that the ousting of President Morsi had been a "coup" and President Obama should have cut off aid to Egypt as a result.

The US has been careful not to use the word coup as under US law this would mean stopping aid.

"I am confused that we would not enforce our own laws," he said.

"That sends a message of tolerance of brutality, of ineffective American leadership to the Muslim world, that the United States of America at least condones this kind of behaviour, which we cannot."
 
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McCain is saying the right thing becuase he has no presidential ambitions and is reaching the end of his career. Everyone in the world knows it a coup. It's just not in their interest to say so
 
By not stating the obvious, and declaring the events of July 13th as a military coup, the US and its allies have created favourable conditions for an "intervention" of some sorts. Perhaps that is what the powers-that-be intended all along.

Whatever the truth about US/Western intentions, it is clear that Muslims need to examine their own role in all this chaos. Blaming the Egyptian military, its Western supporters, or Zionists, hardly advances the cause of reconciliation, compromise and peace.

Taking a step back from current events, and looking at them from a historical perspective: the situation for Muslims across the world is bound to deteriorate even further, with more violence and bloodshed. At some point in time, Muslims will have to accept responsibility for their suffering. Internecine warfare has continued on, unabated, almost since the day the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) died.

No doubt, there are outside forces seeking to sow discord amongst Muslims - for political or strategic gain - but the truth is, were Muslim societies and nations not so hopelessly divided and disunited, those outside agencies could never have succeeded in their aims.
 
What a terrible situation Egypt has found itself in.

The anti-Morsi crowd should just have waited until the end of the year when elections were due anyway.

The Army and the security forces are being very heavy handed and one can understand the pro-Morsi supporters frustrations. However, that doesn't excuse behaviour like this.

Egypt's Christians face unprecedented attacks
More than 30 churches have been destroyed in the past week, activists say, as thugs launch a campaign of intimidation.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/08/2013816102257435227.html

Not sure that there are any 'good guys' in this conflict.
 
I am secular and liberal, and take pride in those twin labels. But so far I have not found an argument that convinces me that Morsi's ouster was justified.

IMO Morsi is a fundamentalist/ radical/ trouble maker with the extreme religious views I detest. In my opinion people of his ilk are harmful for societies. The MB ain't a gathering of boy scouts either.

But he won a democratic election, he should have been sent packing on the basis of a democratic election. What's happening here is sheer murder - of people and of the very principles of democracy that the Egyptian elite claims to be defending.

I fear that we have not even begun to appreciate the possible consequences of this clampdown by the Egyptian army. For one, I don't expect any religious fundamentalist to try the democratic experiment in a hurry. For another, the divisions in Egyptian society have deepened for at least another generation. And what the impact is on the Muslim world as a whole, I don't even know.
 
Morsi was democratically elected. So why was he elimimated? It is clearly a militari coup. The US/West will not admit this as they sit back and watch the show- it suits their agenda. What did they think- that the MB were just gona sit back & tolerate a coup?
 
Calling for a change of a democratically govt while sitting on their sofas without regard for the realities on the ground.

Ofcourse if one supports this kind of change they should feel the responsibility for its consequences.

Yes, but lets not believe that there was no problems with Morsi. It acted in the most communal and undemocratic ways for democratically elected government.

Also, I am am pretty sure not everyone was sitting their sofas while calling for his removal. The whole thing is tragic, secular or muslim, is only a narrative.
 
Unbelievable loss of life both in Egypt and Syria....human tragedy of epic proportion.
 
Reuters: Egypt's CBC TV reports exchange of gunfire near al-Fath mosque which at the centre of a stand-off with police in Cairo

AP: Egyptian security officials say brother of al-Qaeda leader Ayman Al-Zawahri has been arrested in Giza for supporting Mohamed Morsi

Reuters: Egypt's health ministry says violence across the country on Friday killed 173 people including 95 in central Cairo

Reuters: spokesman for Egypt's Prime Minister says he has proposed legally dissolving the Muslim Brotherhood and the idea is being studied

Security forces shooting at minaret of besieged al-Fath mosque in Cairo, live TV footage shows
No signs of this calming down.
 
The Arab spring was always designed to be the Arab slaughter, these images were expected.

The MB and the Egyptian army are both puppets, one is not better than the other but the army has been given the all clear to butcher people openly.

The people of Egypt who supported the army coup have only themselves to blame. They have fallen into the trap of creating civil war and will not enjoy life for a very long time to come.
 
What a terrible situation Egypt has found itself in.

The anti-Morsi crowd should just have waited until the end of the year when elections were due anyway.

The Army and the security forces are being very heavy handed and one can understand the pro-Morsi supporters frustrations. However, that doesn't excuse behaviour like this.



http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/08/2013816102257435227.html

Not sure that there are any 'good guys' in this conflict.[/QU

The army and its carefully selected government would like the world to believe that all MB supporters are terrorists. A convenient label, which enables them to justify their slaughter of masses of their compatriots. We do not know exactly who burnt the Churches, but if it can be proven that groups affiliated to MB carried out these attacks, then they should be arrested, prosecuted and jailed. However, what we are witnessing in Egypt is killing on an industrial scale, of men, women, and children - not all of them belong/ed to the MB. Many are protesting the military coup, and demand the end to military rule.

This is not a question of "good" and "bad", it is about a properly elected president - voted for by 63% of the country - being removed by army decree. The problem lies in the fact that people are impatient, and want immediate change, whereas change takes decades, not months. No European/American govt could possibly be removed in the way the Egyptian president was, even though Western leaders are reviled by their masses.

In any case, there can never be a justification for the kind of inhumane slaughter - in broad daylight, under international gaze (though the authorities are desperately trying to suppress the truth from getting out) - no matter the dispute or conflict. Even if we accept the preposterous assertion that every single member of the MB is a rabid, homicidal terrorist, does that give license to the army/police/security forces to launch a campaign of mass killinngs? The figure to date is 2,600 - and counting.

Our recourse is to Allah SWT. He is our Saviour.
 
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The Arab spring was always designed to be the Arab slaughter, these images were expected.

The MB and the Egyptian army are both puppets, one is not better than the other but the army has been given the all clear to butcher people openly.

The people of Egypt who supported the army coup have only themselves to blame. They have fallen into the trap of creating civil war and will not enjoy life for a very long time to come.

Why are the MB puppets ? The sellout Gulf states dislike the MB because they are not as close to Israel as the Egyptian puppet army is.

With the Gulf states so far up Israel's backside due to their collective hatred of Iran, the MB's support for Hamas (IIRC the Egyptian Prime Minister visited Gaza during the air strikes last year) made the MB enemies of the Gulf states. Let's also remember the MB re-established Egypt's relations with Iran.

Look at how the US won't even call this a coup. Morsi failed to unite the country and was divisive but the army is completely in the wrong here - if there are legitimate grievances then the people should vote Morsi out at the ballot box.

However instead the army has chosen to slaughter their own people and the anti-Morsi hypocrite protesters are actually cheering the bloodshed on.
 
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Why are the MB puppets ? The sellout Gulf states dislike the MB because they are not as close to Israel as the Egyptian puppet army is.

With the Gulf states so far up Israel's backside due to their collective hatred of Iran, the MB's support for Hamas (IIRC the Egyptian Prime Minister visited Gaza during the air strikes last year) made the MB enemies of the Gulf states. Let's also remember the MB re-established Egypt's relations with Iran.

Morsi didn't really do much for the Gazans when the Israeli's were bombing the area. His relations with Iran were nothing either since Morsi was in favour of helping the 'rebel's in Syria. The Egyptian army thought Morsi would consider sending them in to Syria to fight Assad. He also met with Arab leaders many times.

The MB were supported by the US from day 1. They would not support any 'Islamist' party if it would not be towing their line.

The Egyptian people saw this and started protesting against him. So the day before the coup the US defence sectary called the Egyptian army to order them to take out Morsi, a perfect opportunity to send Egypt towards civil war.

Look at how the US won't even call this a coup. Morsi failed to unite the country and was divisive but the army is completely in the wrong here - if there are legitimate grievances then the people should vote Morsi out at the ballot box.

However instead the army has chosen to slaughter their own people and the anti-Morsi hypocrite protesters are actually cheering the bloodshed on.

Agree but the army has never really lost control after Mubarak. General Sisi along with thousands of army officials were trained within the US. Along with US aid the Arabs have given billions of dollars to the Egyptian army so it continues to tow the line and keep it's relations with Israel.
 
Saudi king backs Egypt's military
King Abdullah calls on Arabs to stand together against "attempts to destabilise" Egypt.

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has called on Arabs to stand together against "attempts to destabilise" Egypt.

"The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, its people and government stood and stands by today with its brothers in Egypt against terrorism," he said in a statement read on state TV on Friday, backing Egypt's military leadership.

"I call on the honest men of Egypt and the Arab and Muslim nations ... to stand as one man and with one heart in the face of attempts to destabilise a country that is at the forefront of Arab and Muslim history," he added.

He also said that they were confident that Egypt will recover.

Saudi Arabia was a close ally of former President Hosni Mubarak and has historically had a difficult relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood.

It pledged $5bn in aid to Egypt after Mohamed Morsi of the Brotherhood was ousted from the presidency last month.

Saudi Arabia "has stood and stands with its Egyptian brothers against terrorism, deviance and sedition, and against those who try to interfere in Egypt's internal affairs... and its legitimate rights in deterring those tampering with and misleading" its people, he said.

H A Hellyer from the Brookings Institution and the Royal United Services Institute, speaking from Cairo, said Saudi Arabia would back whoever they think can actually hold on to order in the country.

"At present that seems to be the interim government as well as the military. Also Saudi Arabia has a very uncomfortable history with the Muslim Brotherhood" he told Al Jazeera.

International condemnation

Meanwhile, with fresh violence erupting across Egypt, the Cairo leadership said it was confronting a "malicious terror plot" by the Muslim Brotherhood.

Egypt has faced international condemnation since nearly 600 people were killed in clashes on Wednesday when police broke up protest camps of supporters of Morsi, in Egypt's bloodiest day in decades.

The kingdom's regional arch foe Iran had condemned what it called Wednesday's "massacre" in Egypt.

But Arab states of the Gulf - the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain - have separately voiced support for the deadly assault on Morsi's supporters, saying it was the state's duty to restore order.

They, along with Kuwait, also welcomed the July 3 army coup that ousted Morsi, Egypt's first elected leader since an popular uprising in 2011 toppled Mubarak.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/08/201381615196784361.html
 
Don't get many pakistani's indignation about how events have unravelled, they would never let jamat-e-islam be the elective body of the country
 
Egypt’s Shameful Day

Bloodbath on the Nile

by ESAM AL-AMIN


In June 1967, it took Israeli forces only six hours to rout the Egyptian military and devastate its air force, inflicting the most humiliating defeat on the Arab world in the last half century. In the 1973 October war, the Egyptian army killed 2600 Israeli soldiers in 20 days of combat. Nearly forty years later, the Egyptian military turned its guns on its own citizens to much devastation: on August 14, it took the combined forces of Egypt’s army and police twelve hours to disperse tense of thousands of unarmed peaceful protesters in two sit-in camps in the eastern and western suburbs of Cairo. It was a determined effort by the July 3 coup leaders to not only defeat their political opponents, but also to strike a decisive blow to democracy and the rule of law in Egypt and across the Arab world.

Since June 28, Islamists led by the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) have been camped out at these two sites, initially as a show of support to President Mohammad Morsi as he was being challenged by the opposition. But since he was deposed on July 3, the protesters have been demanding his return, the restoration of the suspended constitution, and the reinstatement of the dissolved parliament. For 48 days, the sit-ins and demonstrations across Egypt attracted millions of Morsi supporters as well as pro-democracy groups, who protested the coup’s nullification of their presidential and parliamentary votes and their ratification of the referendum on the new constitution.

An Obstinate Military Enabled by Liberal and Secular Forces and Western Powers

Throughout the six-week standoff, the country’s military rulers, led by coup leader Gen. Abdelfattah Sisi, insisted on the MB’s complete recognition of the status quo and their submission to the political roadmap as determined by him on July 3. On several occasions, Sisi declared that he would not budge an inch on a future course that was certain to impede the country’s path towards democracy and constitutional legitimacy by ignoring the will of the electorate expressed at the ballot box more than five times in eighteen months. While Egyptians elected Morsi as president with a clear majority in June 2012 in free and fair elections, they also affirmed that vote nearly two to one when they ratified the new constitution six months later. Article 226 of the constitution stated that the term of the current president (Morsi) would “end four years after his elections” or in June 2016.

In fact, one month after the coup, the Egyptian public opinion has sharply turned against it. On August 6, the respectable Egyptian Center for Media Studies and Public Opinion published a poll showing that 69 percent of the Egyptian public rejects the military coup, while 25 percent supports it, with 6 percent refusing to give their opinion. Of those who reject it, only 19 percent identify themselves with the MB, 39 percent with other Islamist parties, while 35 percent are unaffiliated but feel that their votes were invalidated by the coup. Of those who support it, 55 percent in the poll consider themselves former Mubarak regime loyalists, while 17 percent identify themselves as Coptic Christians opposed to Islamists’ rule. Moreover, 91 percent of those who refused to give an answer belong to the pro-Saudi Salafist Al-Noor Party, which initially supported the coup before it pulled back and withdrew from Sisi’s roadmap.

As I explained in a previous article, shortly after the coup, the military and their largely liberal and secular enablers set the stage for excluding the Islamist groups, particularly the MB and its political-affiliate, the Freedom and Justice Party, by arresting or issuing arrest warrants for their leaders, freezing their accounts, seizing their assets, banning their media outlets, and orchestrating an elaborate demonization campaign against them. This discourse was reminiscent of the Mubarak-era tactics employed against the group for decades by the notorious state security apparatus, which was reconstituted shortly after the coup.

By the last week of July, the military’s offer to the MB was simply to accept the coup and all its consequences in return for joining a managed political process. The MB summarily rejected the offer, which would have denied them all their gains and restricted them to winning no more than twenty percent of parliamentary seats, while excluding them from all executive positions.

Initially, most Western powers overlooked the conditions surrounding the military coup and simply consented to its consequences. But as the pro-Morsi demonstrations persisted and expanded for days and weeks, it became evident that the political state of affairs could not be ignored. The stakes were too high, not only for Egypt’s stability but also for the entire region. Therefore, political negotiations between the antagonist parties led by the U.S. and the E.U. began in earnest. While the MB and their supporters wanted to negotiate on the basis of the constitution and democratic legitimacy, the military and its allies wanted the MB to accept a political solution based on the coup and the new reality.

For over a week, EU envoy Bernardino Leon and U.S. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns tried to negotiate a settlement. Initially, the interlocutors insisted that the MB join the new political process in return for the release of their leaders. Eventually, the negotiators agreed to incorporate elements of an initiative announced by over fifty Egyptian intellectuals, academics, and public figures.

The plan allowed for a constitutional mechanism that would have reinstated President Morsi for a very short period of time, after which he would appoint a consensus prime minister and a technocrat cabinet. He would then submit his resignation. The new cabinet would then supervise the parliamentary elections within sixty days. The Western mediators further extracted an agreement from the MB to accept this political outcome and obtained a huge concession from the MB: keeping the same prime minister appointed by the coup. According to Envoy Leon, there was “a political plan that was on the table, that had been accepted by the other side (the MB),” but was eventually rejected by the military.

As negotiations were underway, the media campaign led by Mubarak loyalists, corrupt oligarchs, and “the deep state” reached fever pitch levels. Jehan Soliman, a presenter on state television, and is by no means a MB supporter, was outraged at the demonization campaign led by state officials, prompting her to eventually expose the campaign to the public. Moreover, the main liberal and secular forces urged the military not to negotiate or reach an accommodation with the MB but to crack down hard on the protesters instead. Meanwhile, according to interior minister Gen. Mohammad Ibrahim, while the negotiations were underway the security forces were setting plans in motion to attack the protesters, clear the campsites, and arrest the leaders. It was evident that the coup leaders were determined to bring the MB and their Islamist allies to their knees, either politically or by force.

In order to justify the eventual brutal crackdown on the peaceful protesters, the army and the police demanded an order from the compliant general prosecutor to use as legal cover. Even though peaceful protests are constitutionally-protected, the prosecutor readily issued the order under a phony pretense, namely that the protesters were armed (false), or had become a nuisance to the residents (rejected overwhelmingly by the locals). In contrast, no orders were ever issued to clear dozens of secular groups from Tahrir Square during much of the last year, though their protests shut down government agencies for days, and in some cases, weeks.

Neo-Fascism in Action: Coldblooded Murders, Boldfaced Lies and Ugly Deception

There are moments in a nation’s history that become etched in stone. Such was the Palestinian Nakba, the atomic bombs dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the September 11 attacks. The horrors unfolded on August 14 will go down in Egypt’s history as such a momentous event. Hundreds of thousands of people had been camped out for 48 days at the Nahda Square near Cairo University in the western side of the capital, and around Rabaa Al-Adawiyya Mosque on the eastern side. The congregants had just finished celebrating the end of the holy month of Ramadan a few days earlier. They were determined to peacefully assert their will, as well as to stand firmly to defend the constitution and the democratic process expressed at the ballot box. They rejected the coup and loathed the return of the security state. They sought to restore democracy and President Morsi, who has been illegally detained and isolated for weeks.

Just as they finished their morning prayers, the people stood in both squares listening to spiritual invocations while reaffirming their commitment to stay the course peacefully. But at 6:30 AM on that fateful day, army tanks, armored vehicles, and bulldozers descended on the protesters from different directions. They were followed by the army’s special forces, the police, and thugs dressed in civilian clothes and protected by their state security handlers. The scene was eerily similar to the early days of the January 2011 uprising that overthrew Mubarak. Snipers were on rooftops, especially those of military buildings, including the Military Intelligence headquarters.

According to the official account given by Gen. Ibrahim in a press conference, the police first started by warning people to disperse through loud speakers. He said the police then offered the protesters safe passage to leave, with a promise that they would not be arrested. Shortly thereafter, the police sprayed the protesters with water cannons. When the protesters refused, the police then used tear gas, at which point, he claimed, protesters used automatic weapons against the police. Gen. Ibrahim charged that the MB had snipers on rooftops and were targeting the police, resulting in the killing of 43 police officers. However, no evidence of their deaths such as names, pictures, or footages was ever produced. Only then, the Minister claimed, did the police use live ammunition, resulting in the killing of 149 people across Egypt. He also stated that the protesters were not peaceful and that caches of weapons were seized, including nine automatic guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Needless to say, none of this woven tale is remotely true.

According to many international dispatches including a report by CNN, the protesters were peaceful and unarmed. A Guardian report stated, “The protesters were peaceful, and included many women and children.” The pro-coup Egyptian television media, embedded with the army, broadcast several caches of arms to show that the protesters were not peaceful, only to be exposed that such arms were brought by the police to be “discovered.”

Contrary to Gen. Ibrahim’s claims, the police never used loud speakers or water cannons. They immediately started shooting the unarmed protesters with live bullets. European human rights observer Ahmad Mufreh, offered his vivid testimony on live television, asserting that the police started shooting at people with the intent to kill. In fact, the police never meant to provide safe passage; those who chose to leave through it were brutally beaten and immediately arrested.

By noon, the army and the police had breached the defenses of the Nahda Square and brutally cleared its protesters. However, it was not until 6 PM that they were able to assert full control over the Rabaa Al-Adawiyya mosque. The security officers then took down protesters’ signs and banners and burned down their tents, even though many corpses were still inside. Dr. Ahmad Muhammad, a surgeon operating at Rabaa’s field hospital, told Al-Jazeera Mubasher Misr that he and other doctors were ordered to immediately leave or they would be shot, forcing him to abandon the patient he had been operating on and leaving him to die.

Another witness, Sameh Al-Barghy, an MB opponent and a graduate of American University in Cairo, told Al-Jazeera that although he had not been at the protest and was opposed to it in principle, he had gone to help shortly after he heard about the security crackdown. As his voice cracked, he said that he had witnessed a horrific massacre, when a group of protesters hiding in a building under construction was chased down by the security forces. He said that the police had entered the building and shot at point blank those who were hiding in the first two floors, before arresting the rest. Another witness said that he had seen two bystanders being shot in front of his eyes by the police without any provocation.

Another doctor at the field hospital at Rabaa mosque said on Al-Jazeera that he counted more than 2,600 bodies including 65 children. Asmaa El-Beltagy, the seventeen-year old daughter of MB leader Mohammad El-Beltagy was among the casualties. Later in the evening, MB spokesperson Ahmad Aref proclaimed that over three thousand people had been killed on that day across Egypt, and that as many as ten thousand were injured, many seriously. The brutality and viciousness of the military crackdown is plain to see in the images captured in the links above and disseminated around the world. At least half a dozen journalists were also killed, including Sky News cameraman Mick Deane, and Gulf News reporter Habiba Abdelaziz. According to multiple witnesses, once in control, the security forces burned down the field hospital, the media center, and tents where the protesters’ corpses were laid to hide the military’s crimes.

To add insult to injury, the government has refused to hand over the bodies of the killed until their families sign a document that stated that the cause of death was “natural.” In many cases the coroner left the cause of death blank. Many families refused to comply with such immoral request leaving many corpses unclaimed and in danger of decomposition. As human rights and civil liberties organizations around the world such as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch strongly condemned the massacre in Egypt, the Arab Organization for Human Rights, dominated by secular and liberal elites strangely enough blamed the MB for the bloodbath.

What next? Back to Revolution 101

It is inconceivable that Gen. Sisi, Gen. Ibrahim, their civilian enablers, Western backers, and the perpetrators of these war crimes and crimes against humanity did not know or anticipate the degree of the carnage. Upon embarking on the coup, its leaders were determined to strike a fatal blow to the Islamists, particularly the MB. Each had its own motives. The secular liberals recognized that they could not win in free and fair elections against the Islamists in future elections after their successive defeats at the ballot box during the past two years. Thus, excluding or weakening the Islamists would allow the liberal and nationalist parties the space needed to occupy the political landscape for the foreseeable future.

Mubarak loyalists and elements of the deep state were eager to exact revenge against the MB, their staunch historical foes for the past three decades, for ousting them from power in the 2011 uprising. They were not only able to marginalize and subdue their opponents, but also made a successful comeback in their own right. Ironically, within 30 months, the counterrevolutionaries have now become the face of the revolution. They hope that June 30, the day of their comeback, will now replace January 25, the day of their ouster.

The army considers itself the defender of the nation and its institutions and wants to retain its economic and social privileges. It does not want to subject itself to any meaningful civilian oversight. The precedent set by the January 2011 uprising, they reasoned, might one day weaken the military or even compel it to give up its privileged status in society, as their counterparts in Turkey eventually had to do. The generals waited for the right moment to strike and end the public’s dalliance with democracy in order to delay, if not altogether end, the coming of that dreadful day when they become accountable to the people.

Many youth groups were disillusioned and frustrated with all parties. They were able to throw out the face of Mubarak’s repressive and corrupt regime. But given their disappointment and impatience with the slow progress, they thought they could just as easily get rid of what they perceived as the arrogance or incompetence of the MB. In the process, they naively not only handed back control to the military, but also made the dream of establishing a genuine democratic system based on the rule of law ever more distant. The army appointed a 77-year-old puppet prime minister, and a cabinet largely composed of Mubarak loyalists. Out of 25 governors, the military appointed 19 generals including many Mubarak-era officials. To the military, taming and controlling the population was its top priority. So much for the promise of empowering the youth.

Liberals such as Mohammad ElBaradei convinced themselves that they could ally with the military at the expense of their ideological foes, the Islamists, instead of democratically competing at the ballot box. Soon, ElBaradei awoke to the hard reality that brute force and violence is the military’s preferred tool to settle disputes, not the messy compromises of democracy. The Nobel peace laureate then had to resign in disgrace. His fellow peace laureate Barack Obama did not fare better. He also failed the democracy litmus test by not condemning the coup when it was announced or standing up firmly for democracy and the rule of law. However, the day after the bloodshed, Obama condemned the violence, which he said the interim government and security forces were responsible for. The statement was a step in the right direction, even though it was not strong enough, since it equivocated on its support for the restoration of the constitution and the democratically-elected deposed president.

Foreign powers care very little for Egypt or its people. Time and again, the West has proven that its rhetoric of lofty ideals and values are sacrificed at the altar of short-term interests. Historically, the U.S. has often been more concerned about the security of Israel than serving its own long-term interests. Israel had considered Mubarak a strategic asset for three decades. It was the main reason the U.S. had to prop him up at the expense of supporting and building democratic institutions in the country. If Israel or its supporters in the U.S. favored Sisi and feared the ascendance of the Islamists, the U.S. would most likely then favor the military over the democratic will of the Egyptian people regardless of the consequences, which would actually put the long-term U.S. national security interests in the region in peril.

Both Secretary of State John Kerry and EU Foreign Chief Catherine Ashton had expressed reservations about the intervention by the Egyptian military chief. But when it mattered most, they accepted its aftermath. When the government cracked down using bloody tactics comparable to Libya’s Gadhafi or Syria’s Assad, Western governments were restrained in their criticism. When the pro-coup government declared a state of emergency after the crackdown, instead of rejecting it outright, the West shamefully accepted it hoping that “it would be lifted soon.” To be credible, the call for the UN Security Council by several Western countries must include the referral of Egypt’s coup leaders to the International Criminal Court (ICC) to face charge of crimes against humanity. There is a ample evidence already assembled on the Internet and through live witnesses to prove this heinous crime.

The ruthlessness of the coup and the brutality of the crackdown have solidified in the eyes of the Islamists and many pro-democracy Egyptians the immense challenges they face. The January 25 uprising was not a complete revolution. The revolutionary partners handed it over to the military, which was eventually able to assemble the political building blocks needed to restore the old coalition of the military and the deep state at the expense of the real objectives of the revolution.

Undoubtedly, the military coup has veered Egypt off the democracy track. The most effective way to get back on it is for ordinary Egyptians from all political strands to once again descend to the streets by the millions to challenge the authoritarianism and brutality of the state. Egyptians must reclaim their revolutionary zeal. They must also aspire to regain their unity: Muslims and Christians, men and women, young and old. The defining factor should be a true and genuine commitment to democratic principles and the rule of law. That means an absolute rejection of the military coup and the army’s intervention in politics, as well the purging of all corrupt elements of the deep state. That entails an absolute repudiation of any sectarian conflict. The burning of Coptic churches must not only be condemned, but the churches should be protected by Muslims like any revered mosque. Suffice it to remember that it was Mubarak’s security apparatus and interior minister Habib Al-Adly that were actually responsible for bombing the Church of the Saints in Alexandria one month before the 2011 revolution in order to accuse Islamists and spread suspicion and acrimony. Similarly, the identity and nature of Egyptian society should not be subject to sectarian debate; Egypt has demonstrated for centuries that it can have an Islamic-based culture that is tolerant and harmonious.

As if the pro-coup regime was not already illegitimate, the bloody massacre has completely stripped it from any semblance of legitimacy. An international BDS (Boycott-Divestment-Sanctions) campaign and a global protest movement should immediately be put in place while a massive civil disobedience effort at home is mobilized until the criminal regime is overthrown and its murderous elements are brought to justice. According to international jurist and human rights legal expert, Professor Cherif Bassiouni it is possible for the UN Human Rights Commission to initiate a process to investigate the bloody massacre and to eventually file charges with the ICC.

As Egyptians take to the streets in the coming days, weeks, and months, three factors will singlehandedly or collectively influence the future course of Egypt’s unfinished revolution: the break up and defeat of the security state, the exit of the military from Egypt’s political life and to be subjected to civilian oversight, and a principled and uncompromising stand by the international community against the coup in support of democracy and the rule of law.

Max Weber reasoned that a necessary condition for an entity to be a state is that it retains its claim on the monopoly of violence in the enforcement of its order. But when this monopoly of violence is used against the citizens of a civilized state to thwart their will, it could never be legitimate. That is a state ruled by the law of the jungle.

Esam Al-Amin is the author of The Arab Awakening Unveiled: Understanding Transformations and Revolutions in the Middle East. He can be contacted at alamin1919@gmail.com.

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Simple stats

Mubarak on trial for killing 800 odd

Current setup approaching same number

May ALLAH have mercy on Muslims
 
Don't get many pakistani's indignation about how events have unravelled, they would never let jamat-e-islam be the elective body of the country

Bad comparison.

Of course the average Pakistani voter (not Pakistani) will choose Zardari over JI, but that does mean they will support massacring JI supporters on the streets.
When Lal Masjid happened, and it was a crackdown on armed protestors not the unarmed ones that we see in Egypt, most Pakistanis were angry, except some liberals
 
Simple stats

Mubarak on trial for killing 800 odd

Current setup approaching same number

May ALLAH have mercy on Muslims

9% of Egypt's population is Christian (91% Muslim), so it's time to sympathize with them as well.
 
What - by killing 700+ muslims in the name of democracy?

700 (or more) people have sadly died, they could have been of either religion - Islam or Christianity or any other faith. It's time to sympathize with them all.
 
700 (or more) people have sadly died, they could have been of either religion - Islam or Christianity or any other faith. It's time to sympathize with them all.


Muslims expressing sorrow, grief, and pain over the deaths of hundreds of co-religionists in Egypt, does not automatically translate into utter unconcern for their Christian and Jewish brethren. We condemn all atrocities against innocent peoples, whether they are Muslim or not. We do not apportion sympathy according to ethnic or religious background. We are all human beings, and Muslims love everyone.

You might consider refraining from preconceived judgements, and thus, arriving at assumptions based upon your interpretation of what Muslims have, and have not, said.

If you truly sympathise with the hundreds of dead, thousands of injured, arrested Muslims in Egypt, then kindly express it in words. Otherwise, your posts read like thinly-veiled, verbal attacks on all Muslims, all around the world.

http://www.nairaland.com/1401980/muslims-protecting-catholic-church-egypt
 
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The double standards of the west.When Bashar does it against armed terrorist,he is called a madman and there are calls for a no-fly zone,when the Egyptian army does it against civilians,nobody cares.

Sad to see so many people being killed.
 
At least 25 Egyptian soldiers have been killed in a rocket-propelled grenade attack in northern Sinai, security officials say.

The officials said the Monday morning attack took place as the soldiers were driving through a village near the border town of Rafah in the volatile Sinai Peninsula.

At least two others were injured when unknown fighters fired on the buses as the military convoy headed towards Rafah, on the border with the Palestinian Gaza Strip.

Egypt shut the Rafah crossing after the attack, an official told AFP news agency, the sole crossing into Gaza.

The bodies of the dead soldiers were later flown to a Cairo airbase.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/08/20138197944776261.html
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Army cannot eat the cake this time
 
Looks like the Saudis are now going to be bankrolling the Egyptian army.

Backing Egypt’s generals, Saudi Arabia promises financial support

CAIRO — Saudi Arabia is emerging at the forefront of a forceful effort by Persian Gulf monarchies to back Egypt’s new military leaders, exacerbating a fierce struggle for influence in the chaotic and increasingly leaderless Arab world and putting the Saudis at odds with the United States, a long-standing ally.

On Monday, Saudi Arabia promised to compensate Egypt for any aid that Western countries might withdraw in response to the harsh tactics employed by Egypt’s leaders to quell protests by supporters of the country’s deposed president, in which nearly 1,000 people and more than 100 police officers are reported to have been killed.

Saudi Arabia is the largest contributor to a $12 billion aid package pledged by gulf countries since the July 3 coup that ousted President Mohamed Morsi, dwarfing the $1.5 billion in annual U.S. aid that congressional leaders are pressuring the Obama administration to suspend.

But the unusually bold foray into foreign policy represents a big risk for the traditionally staid and cautious kingdom, jeopardizing its reputation as the leader of the Muslim world, reigniting a simmering power struggle with rivals Qatar and Turkey, and potentially harming its relationship with Washington.

Saudi Arabia’s foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, portrayed the struggle in Egypt in almost existential terms Monday, referring to the country as “our second homeland” and emphasizing that Saudi Arabia will never allow it to be destabilized.

“Concerning those who announced stopping their assistance to Egypt or threatening to stop them, the Arab and Islamic nation is rich with its people and capabilities and will provide a helping hand to Egypt,” Faisal told the official Saudi news agency while on a visit to France.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...91384a-0901-11e3-9941-6711ed662e71_story.html
 
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan claims Ankara has proof Israel was behind the July 3 military "coup" that toppled Egyptian president Mohamed Morsi, Turkish media report.

Erdogan said the West was beginning to redefine democracy as a process that is not solely determined at the ballot box, although the poll represents “the people’s will.”

“This is what has been implemented in Egypt. Who is behind this? Israel. We have evidence,” Erdogan said, as quoted by the Hurriyet daily, during a meeting with provincial chairs of his ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).

http://rt.com/news/israel-egypt-coup-erdogan-722/
 
Bad comparison.

Of course the average Pakistani voter (not Pakistani) will choose Zardari over JI, but that does mean they will support massacring JI supporters on the streets.
When Lal Masjid happened, and it was a crackdown on armed protestors not the unarmed ones that we see in Egypt, most Pakistanis were angry, except some liberals

The current crackdown on all men with a beard in egypt and the subsequent militantism in sinai is completely like the pakistani crackdown and imprisonment of men with beards after 9/11, which led to some men turning to militantism but the vast majority of the people imprisoned and killed with a beard have been innocent.
 
"It's amazing that the current Egyptian dictatorship have the gall to accuse the Muslim Brotherhood of being "Nazis" when they are clearly the ones using propaganda to demonise a huge group of people to justify appalling actions against them."

I was just thinking today, how is what the Egyptian military is doing to the Muslim Brotherhood any different to what the Nazi's did to the Jews?

They are being persecuted on religious grounds.
There are being exluded from politics and all types of public office.
There are being demonised as the source of the countries problems.
There are being arrested, detained and imprisoned.
They are subjected to acts of state endorsed violence.
They are not treated with any regard to there human rights or freedoms.

There is no difference if you ask me it is ironic the Brotherhood would be branded Nazi's when they themselves are being subjected to Nazi policies, all with the endorsement of Israel and America i might add!!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/20/egypts-cruellest-week-muslim-brotherhood
 
Egypt is out of the news since this Syrian chemical bomb business.....
 
Looks like the Egyptian army is determined to show the MB who is in charge eh.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Egypt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Egypt</a> state TV airs a compilation on terror attacks that took place across the country in past 4-5 years saying "we won't forget," with hashtag <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/InvestinEgypt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#InvestinEgypt</a> on screen. Not exactly the best promo if you want people to invest in your country &#55358;&#56614;&#55356;&#57339;*♀️ <a href="https://t.co/MwQyT0ZUc2">pic.twitter.com/MwQyT0ZUc2</a></p>— Reem Abdellatif - ريم عبداللطيف (@Reem_Abdellatif) <a href="https://twitter.com/Reem_Abdellatif/status/1012294352205467648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 28, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Lebanese tourist sentenced to eight years in prison for Facebook post against Egypt

CAIRO, July 7 (Reuters) - A Lebanese tourist who was arrested last month for posting a video on Facebook complaining of sexual harassment and conditions in Egypt was sentenced to eight years in prison by a Cairo court on Saturday, her lawyer told Reuters.

Mona el-Mazboh was arrested at Cairo airport at the end of her stay in Egypt after a 10-minute video in which she called Egypt a “son of a ***** country” went viral on social media.

The 24-year-old Mazboh complains of being sexually harassed by taxi drivers and young men in the street, as well as poor restaurant service during the holy month of Ramadan and an incident in which money was stolen from her during a previous stay.

A Cairo court found her guilty of deliberately spreading false rumours that would harm society, attacking religion, and public indecency, judicial sources said.

An appeal court will now hear the case on July 29, according to Mazboh’s lawyer, Emad Kamal.

“Of course, God willing, the verdict will change. With all due respect to the judiciary, this is a severe ruling. It is in the context of the law, but the court was applying the maximum penalty,” he said.

Kamal said a surgery Mazboh underwent in 2006 to remove a brain clot has impaired her ability to control anger, a condition documented in a medical report he submitted to the court. She also suffers from depression, he said.

Egyptian rights activists say they face the worst crackdown in their history under Sisi, accusing him of erasing freedoms won in the 2011 Arab Spring uprising that ended Hosni Mubarak’s 30-year rule.

Supporters say such measures are needed to stabilise Egypt after years of turmoil that drove away foreign investors and amid an Islamist insurgency concentrated in the Sinai Peninsula. (Reporting by Haitham Ahmed and Eric Knecht Editing by Alison Williams)

https://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL4N1U304C
 
Court to consider dismissal of bearded police officers in September

The Urgent Matters Court in Cairo said that they would consider the first session of a lawsuit calling for dismissing the bearded police officers from work in Interior Ministry in September 4.

According to the lawsuit, these bearded police officers in Interior Ministry contradicts Constitution 2014 and the civil state, adding that their presence is a threat to Egyptian society and the national unity, peace and social security of the nation.

The statement also said that the police officers announced their disobedience to the regular orders after revealing their religious affiliations by keeping their beard during the rule of Muslim Brotherhood group.

The lawsuit asks to isolate these bearded police officers from society to preserve the security and stability of the state.

Egypt’s Supreme Administrative Court recently issued a verdict supporting a number of police officers fired from duty for having beards.

The court verdict suspends a previous decree issued from Egypt’s Ministry of Interior, which states that officers are to be fired if they keep their beards.

http://www.egyptindependent.com/court-consider-dismissal-bearded-police-officers-september/
 
Egypt military officers get immunity over 2013 crackdown

Egypt's parliament has passed a law that could protect senior military commanders from being prosecuted over the deadly crackdown that followed the overthrow of President Mohammed Morsi.

The current President, Abdul Fattah al-Sisi, will be able to name officers he wants to give lifelong reserve status.

They will gain ministerial privileges and immunity for any crimes committed between July 2013 and June 2014.

More than 1,000 protesters are believed to have been killed during that period.

Between 16,000 and 41,000 other people were reportedly arrested or detained, and hundreds were handed death sentences after mass trials.

Most of them were supporters of Morsi's now-banned Islamist movement, the Muslim Brotherhood, but liberal and secular activists have also been targeted.

The legislation approved by parliament on Monday - known as the "Law Governing the Treatment of Certain Senior Commanders of the Armed Forces" - will allow the president to designate a number of high-ranking officers as lifelong reserves.

The officers will be given the benefits and rights of a sitting government minister, and will enjoy diplomatic immunity when travelling abroad.

They also will be protected from prosecution for any offences committed in the course of duty between 3 July 2013 - the day Mr Sisi led the military's overthrow of Morsi following mass protests against his rule - and 8 June 2014 - when Mr Sisi was sworn in as president for the first time.

That period featured one of the bloodiest episodes in Egypt's modern history.

On 14 August 2013, soldiers and police violently broke up two sit-ins by tens of thousands of Morsi supporters in Rabaa al-Adawiya and Nahda squares in Cairo, killing at least 900 people.

Security forces also reportedly killed 60 protesters gathered outside the Republican Guard headquarters in Cairo on 8 July that year; 95 protesters at the Manassa Memorial on 27 July; and 120 protesters at Ramses Square on 16 August.

An Egyptian government committee looked into the killings and did not recommend charges against any government official or member of the security forces.

But Human Rights Watch said the widespread and systematic nature of those killings suggested that they were part of a policy to use lethal force against largely unarmed protesters.

Amr Magdi, the group's Middle East researcher, said the immunity law approved on Monday showed that "military personnel who know that they have committed crimes that might rise to crimes against humanity are trying to protect themselves from any potential for accountability in the future".

"Although they are extremely powerful now, they know how grave the offences they were involved in are and are aware that time can and will change when finally justice will find its own way," he told the BBC.

HRW also warned on Monday that the Egyptian authorities were increasingly using counterterrorism and state-of-emergency laws and courts to unjustly prosecute journalists, activists, and critics for their peaceful criticism.

Those recently arrested include the well-known blogger and rights defender, Wael Abbas, and Amal Fathy, a political activist and the wife of the head of the Egyptian Commission for Rights and Freedoms, and the comic Shady Abu Zaid.

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The liberal Egyptians are in a bind. They have to choose between a military dictatorship and a democracy that elects Islamists who promptly try to become dictators themselves.

The Muslim Brotherhood overreached after winning the elections. If they had been patient and worked with the liberals to strengthen democracy, there was a chance their government would have survived.
 
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