England [499/9d] defeat South Africa [209,237] by an inns & 53 runs to win 3rd Test, lead series 2-1

[tyron_woodley]

c'mon saffers draw this game. lol.

 

[Robert]

Rain is helping SA.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

England have shown their class after losing the first test. SA simply nowhere at the moment.

 

[MenInG]

ENG 499/9 decl
RSA 113/5 (43.2) CRR: 2.61
Day 3: Match delayed due to rain - South Africa trail by 386 runs

Still raining it seems!

 

[Mamoon]

Cricket can be terribly cruel.

Imagine South Africa fluking a draw here because of the rain and then go on to win in Johannesburg to claim the series.

 

[Manunited18]

Rain is helping SA.

We got ample time to get em, at least bowlers are resting up

 

[tyron_woodley]

Cricket can be terribly cruel.

Imagine South Africa fluking a draw here because of the rain and then go on to win in Johannesburg to claim the series.

yea absolutely. unfair. I hate this part of the sport.

I reckon games like these should be extended or postponed and rescheduled again from where they left off.

 

[asadee]

How did a 3rd class bowler like Bess get a 5fer??

 

[sindhiboy]

How did a 3rd class bowler like Bess get a 5fer??

he averages less than 3 wickets a match in his first class career

and lyon struggled big time here, but was outbowled by bess.

its his subtle variations and saffers inability to play spin. i have also been critical of bess , but he is proving everybody wrong and getting better every day

 

[sindhiboy]

And hence why Australia have a better attack than England. Cummins and Starc are both excellent bowlers and then there is James Pattinson. Hazelwood has a fifer in India, and with Cummins or Starc bowling from other end,there is no reason why Hazelwood won't be effective. Pacers hunt in pairs. Anyways, Australia will go with either three pacers or maybe even two on turners.

England spinners, Leach and Bess are completely ineffective and nowhere close to Swann or Panesar. I am not sure if Moeen will play or not. They will be completely ineffective in Asia against Asian batters because although they have a number of spinners, but none of them are even as good as Lyon, who himself is not as good as Swann or Kumble.

but hazlewood has been tonked in every other game he played and has a high average in asia.
even jadeja got 7 in south africa, but does not mean he is crucial in SENA tests.

hazlewood has 16 wickets in 8 tests at avg above 35 in asia despite that 5-fer. Anderson has a much better record in asia then hazlewood

Starc has 7 wickers in 4 tests in india and averages 50, also averages 53 in UAE.

They are not much better in asia than any other english, south african, or new zealand pacers

 

[Manunited18]

he averages less than 3 wickets a match in his first class career

and lyon struggled big time here, but was outbowled by bess.

its his subtle variations and saffers inability to play spin. i have also been critical of bess , but he is proving everybody wrong and getting better every day

Lol Lyon is top notch off spinner, even swan is not as good as Lyon, Bess has shown good control but he just darts it in and the wicket is responding, maharaj who is not a big spinner was getting good purchase on the opening day

 

[MenInG]

Play started...


ENG 499/9 decl
RSA 115/5 (45.4) CRR: 2.52
Day 3: 3rd Session - South Africa trail by 384 runs

 

[Titan24]

Nortje has some solid defense as he showed in the first test as well with 40 runs. Now he has played 100 balls.

 

[jnaveen1980]

SA is a strange team. Lost their wickets to pacers in India. Losing their wickets to spinner in SA. All these SA guys should rejoin county and relearn the art of scoring big.

 

[sweep_shot]

Weakest South African team I have seen in my lifetime. No spirit at all.

They are in a transition phase and it may take a while before they become strong again.

 

[sindhiboy]

Lol Lyon is top notch off spinner, even swan is not as good as Lyon, Bess has shown good control but he just darts it in and the wicket is responding, maharaj who is not a big spinner was getting good purchase on the opening day

of course, it just shows how absurd it is that saffers are struggling against bess and did not struggle vs lyon

 

[tyron_woodley]

of course, it just shows how absurd it is that saffers are struggling against bess and did not struggle vs lyon

This is his novelty year. they haven’t studied him yet. Bess will be found out soon. however credit must be given to him for his superb bowling so far. South Africa generally struggle vs spin though.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Terrible, terrible South African side. Worst Saffer side in a long time.

 

[sindhiboy]

stokes , the breakthrough man again.looks like no 10 fer for bess this innings

still a resilient knock from nortje, a proper bowling all rounder

 

[Robert]

Stokes ruins Bessy's tenfer....

 

[Robert]

Lol Lyon is top notch off spinner, even swan is not as good as Lyon, Bess has shown good control but he just darts it in and the wicket is responding, maharaj who is not a big spinner was getting good purchase on the opening day

Swann averaged 28, Lyon 31.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Dominic bess is very impressive. Honestly, England have enough talent to be a very good test side. Just not enough for a number 1 side. Only Australia have that level of players.

 

[sindhiboy]

Dominic bess is very impressive. Honestly, England have enough talent to be a very good test side. Just not enough for a number 1 side. Only Australia have that level of players.

eng team has a lot more depth.

aus is reliant on a few star players and if they are not in form, then aus will succumb easily

 

[tyron_woodley]

Swann averaged 28, Lyon 31.

Philander averages 22
Pollock 23

Both greater than wasim and Waqar?

Don’t think so. Stats isn’t everything. it’s just one of the initial metrics used to measure the ability of cricketer. a starting point. We would still be required to delve into their performances is specific countries, caliber of teams they faced, the impact they created and the attack they were part of which may or may not have played a factor in attaining the overall average figure.

 

[Robert]

QdK looking to play shots, propbably the best way to try to avoid following on.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Dominic bess is very impressive. Honestly, England have enough talent to be a very good test side. Just not enough for a number 1 side. Only Australia have that level of players.

Lol? England have good talent but not the best talent. If anything India and Australia have the best talent. India just refuses to give them opportunities due to nepotism and politics playing a role.

Australia have the best bowling depth in terms of quantity. not necessarily quality. Their quality clearly drops when their first tier players aren’t playing.

 

[MenInG]

ENG - 499/9 decl
RSA - 188/6 (68.4 Ovs)

CRR: 2.74

 

[majiz]

so happy england are winning because i was born there lads. love to see england dominating teams that arent part of the big 3 . i feel like this does loads for cricket and fills me with pride and satisfaction. what a modern triumph

ENG-----URRR---LAND


honestly all i can think about is how depressingly disorganised SA are

 

[tyron_woodley]

eng team has a lot more depth.

aus is reliant on a few star players and if they are not in form, then aus will succumb easily

Smith everywhere
Cummins

Main players. Could add labu in the future


In Australian, n.z and s.african conditions:

Warner
Smith
Cummins
Labushagne

That’s their team basically.


Zits similar for most teams away from home though including India and England. England without stokes, root would struggle away.
India without bumrah, kohl, shami and pujara would struggle away.

 

[MenInG]

Thread is about SAvEng

Stick to topic

 

[majiz]

simon harmer is three times the bowler dom bess is which makes maharaj looks extremely sus . always said he was utter rubbish and a quota pick

 

[barah_admi]

England can enforce the follow on...and if the weather stays back I think they will wrap this up.

 

[James]

Poor catching from England, they’re giving QdK way too many chances here.

 

[Ab Fan]

A wicket here and England would look to get SA all out under 250.

 

[MenInG]

ENG 499/9 decl
RSA 208/6 (82.0) CRR: 2.54
Day 3: Stumps - South Africa trail by 291 runs

 

[sindhiboy]

now its only a matter of the race agains the rain. if eng held on to there catches safrica could have been all out by now

 

[Manunited18]

Swann averaged 28, Lyon 31.

Lyons plays on Australian roads where in general offspinners are treated like dirt

 

[MenInG]

Lyons plays on Australian roads where in general offspinners are treated like dirt

Already told people - this thread is about SA v England - no need to discuss other stuff here.

 

[MenInG]

DE KOCK AND PHILANDER FACE CRUCIAL NEW BALL BATTLE

Saturday, 18 January 2020

THE Standard Bank Proteas desperate battle to avoid the follow on became the game within the game as England again dominated day three of the third Test match at St. George’s Park, Port Elizabeth, on Saturday.

On a rain-disrupted day the Proteas finished on 208/6 with Quinton de Kock (63 off 121 balls, 9 fours) and Vernon Philander (26 off 46 balls, 5 fours) in possession with a further 93 runs need to avoid the follow on.

If they do manage to achieve that preliminary target which will have to be done against the second new ball which has only been used for three deliveries so far, they will by no means be out of the woods as England at the moment hold a lead of 292 runs and South Africa only have four wickets in hand.

But, with the weather forecast remaining unfavourable for the remainder of the match any time the Proteas can take out of the match by forcing England to bat a second time will prove invaluable.

De Kock and Philander showed that there are still plenty of runs in the surface in spite of their side’s precarious position and this was also underlined by the gallant performance of night watchman Anrich Nortje who withstood everything England could come up with for more than three hours.

England have had to use Ben Stokes as sparingly as possible and he has only really been used as a bowler when the need has been great such as at the climax of the second Test at Newlands and again when Joe Root brought him on to bowl after more than 60 overs of the innings to get rid of Nortje after a sojourn of 189 minutes for his 18 runs (136 balls, 2 fours).

Stokes at least showed that he is human by dropping three slip catches offered by De Kock.

Overall, the day was a continuation of the triumph of the young players England have brought into their Test team. Dom Bess captured the first five wickets in the innings for his first five-wicket haul at this level following the earlier successes by Ollie Pope with his maiden century and Sam Curran with his adventurous half-century that had a lot to do with the fact that South Africa still have some way to go to avoid the follow on.

Nortje’s innings was the fifth longest by a South African night watchman following the below list:

322 mins MV Boucher (125) v Zimbabwe at Harare 1999

290 mins MV Boucher (108) v England at Durban 1999

221 mins N Boje (85) v India at Bangalore 2000

198 mins PS de Villiers (30) v Australia at Adelaide 1994

The world record is held by Australia’s Jason Gillespie: 562 mins (201*) v Bangladesh at Chittagong 2006.

It will need more of Nortje’s backbone to get the Proteas out of this match with the series still level.

 

[Ab Fan]

Did Stokes dropped all the three catches of Qdk at slips? I remember one during the end of play. He dropped two more?

South Africa might find some luck with rain and honestly they would do better if they can save follow on which means England will bat again.

 

[majiz]

south african cricket just seems too chaotic atm. when was the last time they fielded the same bowling line-up for two matches , probably the first two test matches tbh but who knows

i think they should give Zubayr Hamza the whole series as his FC average is ridiculous and i sense some quality, i think pieter malan should be dropped, just not feeling him. its a massive shame rabada is banned as the next wicket will be a seamer and hes the best bowler on both sides by a country mile

 

[ManFan]

Shame it took England 1.5 years to give Dom Bess another chance.

He looked quality against us in his 1st Test.

 

[Manunited18]

I state it again, once Anderson retires and eventually broad England will struggle, the young and upcoming seamers are to injury prone and raw with limited first class experience

 

[Hasan123]

De Kock is developing into a top class batter. Faf is finished. Time to make De Kock captain in at least formats. He is starting to step up. He's going to have a brilliant peak. Mark my words.

 

[praveen]

QDK batting way down the order for the form he’s in but how many catches did England miss today ?

 

[tyron_woodley]

I state it again, once Anderson retires and eventually broad England will struggle, the young and upcoming seamers are to injury prone and raw with limited first class experience

coad is pretty good. I agree though most aren't good enough. Unless you guys can draft in abbott? when will abbott be eligible to play? Olivier is mediocre. too slow.

Mark wood's action scares me. I feel like he puts way too much stress on his ankle. It looks cringeworthy. I really hope he changes his action.

 

[tyron_woodley]

one English bowler I always admired was Steve Finn. What a player he was. whatever happened to him?

 

[Manunited18]

coad is pretty good. I agree though most aren't good enough. Unless you guys can draft in abbott? when will abbott be eligible to play? Olivier is mediocre. too slow.

Mark wood's action scares me. I feel like he puts way too much stress on his ankle. It looks cringeworthy. I really hope he changes his action.

Lol we don't want Abbott, our seamers need to get injury free and play consistent county cricket, olly stone, saqib, Jamie Overton, and many more they just not fit to play and Anderson clearly now is ready to retire and broad not to long after

 

[Manunited18]

one English bowler I always admired was Steve Finn. What a player he was. whatever happened to him?

Injury prone unfortunately, but i agree he had it all genuine pace at 6ft 8, and had a good test pedigree

 

[tyron_woodley]

Injury prone unfortunately, but i agree he had it all genuine pace at 6ft 8, and had a good test pedigree

yea beautiful action. Aussies struggled vs him alot. india had issues too with that guy. He was difficult to face. He had speed, bounce variations and much more. He could have been the best bowler in the world in my opinion.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol we don't want Abbott, our seamers need to get injury free and play consistent county cricket, olly stone, saqib, Jamie Overton, and many more they just not fit to play and Anderson clearly now is ready to retire and broad not to long after

well abbott is killing it in county. better than anyone else iirc.
Jamie Overton is suited more for English conditions specifically. stone I haven't seen much of. I remember him getting smashed around in odi. is he alright in red ball?

 

[andy0204]

Some here are telling Qdk should be captain In ODIs yes but not in tests Dean Elgar is better choice as of now.

 

[Ab Fan]

Some here are telling Qdk should be captain In ODIs yes but not in tests Dean Elgar is better choice as of now.

I agree, he shouldn't be given captaincy in all formats, surely not in tests, he will have too much workload which might cost his form with the bat.

For now, Elgar can be test captain, Qdk ODI captain and can make Van Der dussen or anyone else T20 captain.

 

[James]

3 wickets for no runs so far this morning. All castled, stumps cartwheeling - accurate bowling, but terrible shot selection in each case.

What is going on with South Africa? England are playing lots of good cricket on this tour, but this has got to be the worst Saffer side ever. No bottle, no heart, no planning, no skill.

 

[MenInG]

ENG 499/9 decl
RSA 209/9 (86.2) CRR: 2.42
Day 4: 1st Session - South Africa trail by 290 runs

 

[Robert]

Dream start for the Ingerlund.

This SA batting line is the worst I have ever seen from a major test side.

Hope Roooooooot enforces the follow on.

 

[MenInG]

ENG 499/9 decl
RSA 209-all out (86.4) CRR: 2.41
Day 4: 1st Session - South Africa trail by 290 runs

 

[Robert]

Injury prone unfortunately, but i agree he had it all genuine pace at 6ft 8, and had a good test pedigree

Ruined by overcoaching. He kept clipping the stumps, they tried to remodel his action and his pace went. Doesn’t even get the new ball for Middlesex now. A tragedy as he was getting top test batters out.

 

[Manunited18]

Dream start for the Ingerlund.

This SA batting line is the worst I have ever seen from a major test side.

Hope Roooooooot enforces the follow on.

Yes but England can only beat what's put in front of em

 

[Manunited18]

well abbott is killing it in county. better than anyone else iirc.
Jamie Overton is suited more for English conditions specifically. stone I haven't seen much of. I remember him getting smashed around in odi. is he alright in red ball?

Jamie Overton and olly stone have really good skill set at high pace, it's just getting them fit on a regular basis

 

[MenInG]

ENG 499/9 decl
RSA 209, 15/0 (6.5) CRR: 2.2
Day 4: Play stopped due to rain - South Africa trail by 275 runs

SA following on

 

[Manunited18]

Ruined by overcoaching. He kept clipping the stumps, they tried to remodel his action and his pace went. Doesn’t even get the new ball for Middlesex now. A tragedy as he was getting top test batters out.

Yes I forgot about his clipping the stumps issues, but yes he was a handful on his day 6ft8 at 90 mph

 

[James]

Raining again.

Perhaps about 40 overs left today and then up to 98 overs tomorrow, for England to bowl out South Africa for a second time.

The match was in a bit of an uncertain place overnight, and Stokes repeatedly dropping those catches off QdK had been very disappointing. But purely due to that insane mini-session this morning and the game moving on, I now think that England have a great chance of winning this Test if there is only light / hardly any rain now.

 

[Ryw]

Match delayed by rain SA 15/0 6.5 OVERS crr 2.19 Minimum overs remaining for the day 84.1

 

[James]

Restart in 5 minutes unless it starts raining again...

Another 3 or 4 wickets for England today would be a great start, then finish it off tomorrow.

 

[Ab Fan]

SA might go for blockathan from the start.

 

[MenInG]

SA vs Eng, Port Elizabeth

Day 4: 2nd Session - South Africa trail by 272 runs

ENG - 499/9 decl
RSA - 209, 18/1 (9.1 Ovs)

CRR: 1.96

 

[Hasan123]

England deserve the win. Hopefully rain doesn't interfere. If South Africa can bat out the rest of the overs they would have done amazing.

 

[MenInG]

ENG 499/9 decl
RSA 209, 38/2 (22.0) CRR: 1.73
Day 4: 2nd Session - South Africa trail by 252 runs

 

[James]

Excellent bowling from Wood - 2 wickets created by pace, hostility, economy and sustained pressure.

 

[Robert]

Running through them now. Great to see Woody in the wicket column.

 

[sindhiboy]

struggling against root, safrican cricket is really in a bad place

 

[sindhiboy]

goodness, root may actually end up with a 5 fer

 

[HappyWarsFan]

How are SA collapsing to a part time off spinner in SA conditions???

 

[Titan24]

Who would have though Root will be running through SA batting lineup in SA...

 

[MenInG]

ENG 499/9 decl
RSA 209, 87/6 (54.0) CRR: 1.61
Day 4: 3rd Session - South Africa trail by 203 runs

 

[MenInG]

goodness, root may actually end up with a 5 fer

incredible! all-rounder?

 

[Robert]

incredible! all-rounder?

Nah, he can’t bat! )

 

[Ab Fan]

Root with a great chance of 5-fer lol. Is it the combination of pitch spinning much and SA batsmen being terrible again spin or something else as well?

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is an embarrassing stuff from SA. Feel sorry for SA fans.