England [499/9d] defeat South Africa [209,237] by an inns & 53 runs to win 3rd Test, lead series 2-1

[Mamoon]

Root with a great chance of 5-fer lol. Is it the combination of pitch spinning much and SA batsmen being terrible again spin or something else as well?

As a bowler, he is similar to Clarke. Too good a spinner for a part-timer but not good enough to be a specialist.

 

[Mamoon]

Another stellar performance by the team that supposedly cannot play Test cricket.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Credit must be given to England.

Saffers just can’t play spin.

This England team is a top side.

As for South Africa. Lot of work to do. Faf retire please.

 

[Manunited18]

Credit must be given to England.

Saffers just can’t play spin.

This England team is a top side.

As for South Africa. Lot of work to do. Faf retire please.

To many people here jump to conclusions, this is the first series we are looking to win in over a year

 

[Ab Fan]

As a bowler, he is similar to Clarke. Too good a spinner for a part-timer but not good enough to be a specialist.

Nope, Clarke was better. This is fluke from Root but he has no reason not to enjoy this. He is more like Sehwag. Sehwag got a fifer in Australia once.

 

[Mamoon]

Nope, Clarke was better. This is fluke from Root but he has no reason not to enjoy this. He is more like Sehwag. Sehwag got a fifer in Australia once.

Clarke’s 6/9 was also a fluke.

 

[Ab Fan]

South Africa have gone down so low.

Below was their team in 2012 and today it is.......

Smith(c)
Peterson
Amla
Kallis
AB
Faf
Boucher(wkt)
Philander
Steyn
Morkel
Tahir

Eight of them were atleast country greats.

 

[Ab Fan]

Clarke’s 6/9 was also a fluke.

He won a game against India in Sydney 2007 with a 3/5 also.

 

[James]

An entirely dominant day for England with 10 wickets taken for barely 100 runs.

Just 4 wickets to take for England tomorrow.

They fully deserve to win. Will the rain stay away? All they will probably need is one session’s worth of cricket.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He won a game against India in Sydney 2007 with a 3/5 also.

won by bucknor technically lol

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Don't get too excited English fans. England always win in SA and this SA side is worse than usually. England will continue being mediocre else where.

 

[andy0204]

won by bucknor technically lol

Let's not forget because of Bucknor we won test series in England in 2007.

 

[Robert]

Credit must be given to England.

Saffers just can’t play spin.

This England team is a top side.

As for South Africa. Lot of work to do. Faf retire please.

I think it's on the way up. More careful and robust top order batting that for a couple of years, a left arm swing option, a couple of pace options. I would like to see Burns and Leach back.

 

[MenInG]

ENG 499/9 decl
RSA 209, 102/6 (62.0) CRR: 1.65
Day 4: Stumps - South Africa trail by 188 runs

 

[jnaveen1980]

Don't get too excited English fans. England always win in SA and this SA side is worse than usually. England will continue being mediocre else where.

They have a good depth. But their top order is inexperienced. Right now they have some solid middle/lower order to bail them out when needed. Also group of bowlers who can work together to get teams out. Stokes is one guy who is keeping them from falling below mediocrity.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I think it's on the way up. More careful and robust top order batting that for a couple of years, a left arm swing option, a couple of pace options. I would like to see Burns and Leach back.

Stone and Overton any good?

 

[MenInG]

ENGLAND set the tone for the rest of the day when they needed just 28 balls to take the last four South African wickets for a single run and put themselves in a position to enforce the follow on on day four of the third Test match at St. George’s Park, Port Elizabeth, on Sunday.

And it did not get any better for the Standard Bank Proteas as they finished the day losing 10 wickets for 103 runs in spite of further lengthy delays for bad weather.

They finished on 102/6. The 188 runs they need to make England bat again seems totally out of the question and they will need more help from the weather to get out of this one.

It was a day that asked a lot of questions of the Proteas and they did not come up with any convincing answers. The biggest problem seems to be the ongoing struggle they are having in playing spin bowling against an attack that is hardly the most threatening in this department. Dominic Bess is playing in only his fourth Test match and it was the part-time spin of England captain, Joe Root, that proved particularly troublesome. His return of 4/31 in 9 overs was a career best, having previously not taken more than 2 wickets in a Test innings.

The one bright performance was a semblance of form from Faf du Plessis who made the top score of 36 (123 balls, 6 fours and a six).

England are now poised to retain the Basil d’Oliveira Trophy, having regained it in South Africa in 2015 and retained it in England in 2017.

Unless the unexpected happens, the Proteas are probably only going to have a chance to square the series at the Imperial Wanderers Stadium later this week.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No, it’s the opposition’s gain. I refer you to Australia losing McGrath for two tests (which England won) in the 2005 Ashes. SA have no Rabada for the fourth test which can only help England. I bet if England win the series someone will bring that up, and I hope you tell them their argument is pointless.

Yes it would be pointless because England have won and that's all that matters. Australia managed to draw the series in England and that's the most impressive result England by a touring team since 2014.

 

[Amjid Javed]

How SA cricket has hit rock bottom when i pie floater like root takes 4 wickets

 

[Markhor]

Have South Africa ever faced a spinner before ?

 

[ethan hunt]

Yes it would be pointless because England have won and that's all that matters. Australia managed to draw the series in England and that's the most impressive result England by a touring team since 2014.

No. A Certain team played a very impressive series in England in 2016.

 

[James]

Having checked a bunch of weather forecasts, it looks like England (unless they are particularly unlucky) should get to bowl for at least a couple of hours tomorrow. Then it purely comes down to their perseverance and skill. The way this match has gone, I’d be very surprised if they don’t take those final four wickets.

 

[majiz]

england's brave all-rounder joe root

 

[Robert]

Yes it would be pointless because England have won and that's all that matters. Australia managed to draw the series in England and that's the most impressive result England by a touring team since 2014.

Haven’t won. Series stands at 1-1 with the third test unfinished and the fourth to play. Might rain all day tomorrow, and SA might win the fourth test. But that will be harder for them without Rabada.

 

[The Viper]

SA have been really poor.

I think we will see them struggle for a while as their batting is weak without ABDV.

Some of these players like Rassie must be persisted with for a while.

 

[tyron_woodley]

problem is elgar faf are old now.

 

[wrongun]

Under that ODI specialist coach. He picked the wrong test side repeatedly. Anderson was out for basically the whole series, so England played the first test a bowler down which knackered Stokes up, and were robbed by rain in the second.

Now we are getting somewhere again, picking guys suited to test cricket. The ridiculous sequence of collapses has stopped.

Boohoo. Couldn't win at home. Anderson is 39 & injured again now- will you be trotting that excuse out until he's 50? Move on.

Blaming the weather? Really? Rain? In ENgland? Again, that's really got to be expected.

As the the ridiculous collapses- oh they'll be back, don't worry! Once you come up against a good bowling lineup with a spinner.

 

[wrongun]

Tufnell has his moments. Took a few fivefers and a tenfer.

I remember watching Monty turn Inzi inside out. Later he was a big factor in England’s win in India.

Yes Tuffers had the odd day out, but he wasn't a good spinner really was he? Overall, he was a bit crap most of the time & his stats bear that out.

Monty could rip the ball. He just had no idea how to be a bowler. I think Warney summed it up as, "Monty doesn't bowl like a guy who's played 30 Tests, he bowls like a guy who's played one Test, 30 times."

 

[jnaveen1980]

Having checked a bunch of weather forecasts, it looks like England (unless they are particularly unlucky) should get to bowl for at least a couple of hours tomorrow. Then it purely comes down to their perseverance and skill. The way this match has gone, I’d be very surprised if they don’t take those final four wickets.

At this point Butler and Oli pople can start the bowling and SA could collapse against them. This is such a gutless Test team.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

No. A Certain team played a very impressive series in England in 2016.

I think this was even better than that.

 

[andy0204]

Even West Indies plays better spin than South Africa.

 

[Manunited18]

Even West Indies plays better spin than South Africa.

Maybe, but England can only beat what's put in front of them

 

[James]

Philander already out to Broad on the third ball of the day, just a straight delivery with the old nut. Pretty pathetic stuff really.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Congratulations to England fans . Its a pathetic Saffer side ,worse than it was even a year ago but England have shown gumption and have demoralised the Saffers completely.

This experience should come in handy when England tours India and methinks it won't be easy for India. On the other hand, Saffers tour of Pak/UAE is going to end in tears

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pakistan if they pick the right spinners will maul SA when they come to tour UAE or pakistan. This SA side is awful against even mediocre spin.

 

[andy0204]

Pakistan if they pick the right spinners will maul SA when they come to tour UAE or pakistan. This SA side is awful against even mediocre spin.

Even Afghanistan will defeat this side in India.

 

[sindhiboy]

Will Archer replace bess for the wanderers? Will seem harsh as he just got a 5 Fer. But Johannesburg is the only place where no spinner plays. And root is bowling really well, so no need for him

Woakes may replace Curran as well

 

[sindhiboy]

So many runs in byes. Butler is keeping badly.
Even bairstow is a better option than him

 

[Robert]

Boohoo. Couldn't win at home. Anderson is 39 & injured again now- will you be trotting that excuse out until he's 50? Move on.

Blaming the weather? Really? Rain? In ENgland? Again, that's really got to be expected.

As the the ridiculous collapses- oh they'll be back, don't worry! Once you come up against a good bowling lineup with a spinner.

Err, the SA attack is good with a spinner.

Why the anger? Australians are very quick to mention the loss of McGrath in 2005 and fair enough, it’s a good point. Losing a bowler who averaged 19 in England of late was of huge impact on the last Ashes. He told the side he was fit and broke down immediately.

A new and tougher England batting line is starting to form as they are picking guys who bat long rather than smash quick ODI fifties.

 

[Robert]

Well done England to have come back from 0-1 down to take a series lead.

Maharaj putting the top order to shame there..

 

[Robert]

Yes Tuffers had the odd day out, but he wasn't a good spinner really was he? Overall, he was a bit crap most of the time & his stats bear that out.

Monty could rip the ball. He just had no idea how to be a bowler. I think Warney summed it up as, "Monty doesn't bowl like a guy who's played 30 Tests, he bowls like a guy who's played one Test, 30 times."

Tuffers had the tools, big spinner and got a lot of ‘drop’ like Lyon hence stumping. He lacked confidence though. Gilchrist got into his head. But he won some tests for England before that. Four Michelles in his first nine tests I think. A legendary bottler against fast bowlers. Robin Smith said he was battling to prevent innings defeat against Pakistan until Tuffers walked in, then decided to bat for the red ink.

Warney is wise. It was embarrassing to see Monty appealing for balls that would have missed another set of stumps. As Boycott says, he didn’t understand the LBW law. After Mushtaq quit the coaching staff and Swann retired, he was confused and lost.

 

[Abdullah719]

Keshav Maharaj and Dane Paterson brought some much-needed defiance to the Standard Bank Proteas batting effort with South Africa’s highest partnership of the match before the inevitable happened and England won the third Test match at St. George’s Park on Monday by an innings and 53 runs.

It gave them a 2-1 lead in the four-match series and retention of the Basil d’Oliveira Trophy for Test match competition between the two countries regardless of what happens in the final match at the Imperial Wanderers Stadium from Friday when the Proteas will be hoping to square the series.

England are the current holders of the trophy, having won it in South Africa during the 2015-16 season and retained it in England in 2017.

The 10th wicket pair put on 99 runs in a stand that was only four runs short of the record against England which has stood since 1929. Maharaj was run out on 71 (106 balls, 10 fours and 3 sixes), only one run shy of his career best against India last year while Paterson’s unbeaten 39 (40 balls, 6 fours) was his career best in his debut match.

The day’s play had looked for a very early finished after Vernon Philander was dismissed off the third ball of the day and both Kagiso Rabada and Anrich Nortje followed soon afterwards but the last-wicket pair had other ideas, forcing England captain Joe Root to take the second new ball to get the job finished.

The efforts of Maharaj and Paterson were largely responsible for the Proteas managing to score 135 runs in the morning session in almost 27 overs for the loss of the final four wickets.

England’s Ollie Pope, having earlier scored his maiden century, completed a fine match with six catches to be named Man of the Match. This is the 10th instance of an England fielder taking six catches in a match and remarkably the second in the current series.

Ben Stokes achieved the same feat at Newlands.

Dom Bess picked up one of the last four wickets to fall, courtesy of Pope’s final catch, to finish a fine match with six wickets, including his maiden fifer in the first innings.

 

[James]

Great comeback in the series from England. When most of our squad went down with a “touring tummy” and we lost the first Test, I was worried that we would be on for a proper mullering - but to then win the next two matches back-to-back, on pitches somewhat unsuited to our players, has been magnificent. Today’s victory in particular is monumentally sized and represents a near-perfect team performance across five days. It will be an entirely new game on Friday, but I hope we can win again in Johannesburg and take the series.

 

[andy0204]

If England lose this match they would have make excuses of Anderson,Leach,Burns,Archer were not there.

 

[Manunited18]

Great comeback in the series from England. When most of our squad went down with a “touring tummy” and we lost the first Test, I was worried that we would be on for a proper mullering - but to then win the next two matches back-to-back, on pitches somewhat unsuited to our players, has been magnificent. Today’s victory in particular is monumentally sized and represents a near-perfect team performance across five days. It will be an entirely new game on Friday, but I hope we can win again in Johannesburg and take the series.

Even at 1-0 down I backed England to win series as conditions are similar to back home and England in general do well here

 

[Manunited18]

If England lose this match they would have make excuses of Anderson,Leach,Burns,Archer were not there.

Fact is this south african team beat Australia 3-1 last year

 

[andy0204]

Fact is this south african team beat Australia 3-1 last year

No Abd,Amla,Morkel that makes a lot difference.

 

[Manunited18]

No Abd,Amla,Morkel that makes a lot difference.

Lol no excuses

 

[Robert]

Great comeback in the series from England. When most of our squad went down with a “touring tummy” and we lost the first Test, I was worried that we would be on for a proper mullering - but to then win the next two matches back-to-back, on pitches somewhat unsuited to our players, has been magnificent. Today’s victory in particular is monumentally sized and represents a near-perfect team performance across five days. It will be an entirely new game on Friday, but I hope we can win again in Johannesburg and take the series.

At the beginning of the series I thought we would win by one test. Now I am expecting 3-1. Our batsmen are not being troubled by scoreboard pressure as the SA batting is so weak, but they are scoring centuries against a very good attack so direction of travel is good.

Combined side so far:

Elgar
Sibley
Denly
Root (capt.)
Stokes
Pope
de Kock (w)
Maharaj
Philander
Rabada
Broad

 

[andy0204]

Lol no excuses

There is a lot of difference saying this South Africa is similar to last year's.

 

[Manunited18]

If England lose this match they would have make excuses of Anderson,Leach,Burns,Archer were not there.

Well it's you that's presuming

 

[James]

Even at 1-0 down I backed England to win series as conditions are similar to back home and England in general do well here

At the beginning of the series I thought we would win by one test. Now I am expecting 3-1. Our batsmen are not being troubled by scoreboard pressure as the SA batting is so weak, but they are scoring centuries against a very good attack so direction of travel is good.

Combined side so far:

Elgar
Sibley
Denly
Root (capt.)
Stokes
Pope
de Kock (w)
Maharaj
Philander
Rabada
Broad

Presuming that Burns would automatically be picked ahead of Crawley, the only other significant change that I would make to the side which has just won in Port Elizabeth (and it doesn’t have to happen overnight) is to eventually find a better player for number 3 than Joe Denly.

Burns-Sibley-Root-Stokes-Pope is a legitimately good lineup of batsmen.

Toss up between Buttler and Foakes for the keeping berth.

In terms of the bowlers, Broad is the leader of the attack and Stokes should be used more. Leach/Bess, and Archer/Wood/Curran/Anderson meanwhile can be rotated around Broad to reduce burnout and injuries.

For the most part, there are the makings of a pretty good England team here.

 

[andy0204]

Well it's you that's presuming

Look at my statement I didn't undermine Englands victory,Iam saying that what would have happen if England looses this match and they would have make excuses of absence of Archer,Leach,Anderson,Burns,
Iam judging based on first test when they lost and started making excuses that players were sick.

 

[Robert]

Presuming that Burns would automatically be picked ahead of Crawley, the only other significant change that I would make to the side which has just won in Port Elizabeth (and it doesn’t have to happen overnight) is to eventually find a better player for number 3 than Joe Denly.

Burns-Sibley-Root-Stokes-Pope is a legitimately good lineup of batsmen.

Toss up between Buttler and Foakes for the keeping berth.

In terms of the bowlers, Broad is the leader of the attack and Stokes should be used more. Leach/Bess, and Archer/Wood/Curran/Anderson meanwhile can be rotated around Broad to reduce burnout and injuries.

For the most part, there are the makings of a pretty good England team here.

Agreed. I think Denly is a stop-gap. I would prefer Burns back and try Crawley at #3.

I think they are keeping Stokes under wraps in case injury flares up. They only seem to give him a run if Root needs an aggressive burst.

This would make the side for SL:

Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Bess (though I would prefer Moeen back for this tour)
Wood / Archer
Leach
Broad

 

[Manunited18]

Look at my statement I didn't undermine Englands victory,Iam saying that what would have happen if England looses this match and they would have make excuses of absence of Archer,Leach,Anderson,Burns,
Iam judging based on first test when they lost and started making excuses that players were sick.

The preparations for the first test were far from ideal, players were in quarantine due to a horrendous bug so any team can rue that as just a isolated issue and a genuine excuse, as for injuries retirements are part and parcel of the game

 

[sindhiboy]

No Abd,Amla,Morkel that makes a lot difference.

Ab and morkel made a huge difference. Amla was in horrendous form.

Even then, 4 years ago eng won vs a safrica side comprising of ab, amla and morne.

They just know what to do in safrica.

Currently, pope and stokes are the most crucial players england have

 

[Mamoon]

Denly is indeed a stop-gap. I would like England to give Roy another chance, preferably in the middle-order this time which appears to be his favored position in red ball cricket.

He is too talented a player for England to give up on his Test career after one terrible series.

He could slot in at #6 with Pope at #3, Root at #4, Stokes at #5 and Buttler at #7.

Burns
Sibley
Pope
Root
Stokes
Roy
Buttler
Curran
Archer/Wood
Bess/Leach
Broad

I think this team can prove to be the best English side since Strauss. I would prefer Buttler to take over as captain, but it appears that Root would get a long rope after this series win.

Anderson should be rotated with Curran and Archer and Wood should also be rotated to avoid running them into the ground.

Then you have the likes of Woakes etc. in the reserves as well. There is a lot of quality and depth in there.

Stokes, Roy and Buttler batting in tandem could be quite a spectacle and turn the match on its head in a session.

Pope is technically ready to be the long-term #3, and Root belongs at #4.

 

[sindhiboy]

Denly is indeed a stop-gap. I would like England to give Roy another chance, preferably in the middle-order this time which appears to be his favored position in red ball cricket.

He is too talented a player for England to give up on his Test career after one terrible series.

He could slot in at #6 with Pope at #3, Root at #4, Stokes at #5 and Buttler at #7.

Burns
Sibley
Pope
Root
Stokes
Roy
Buttler
Curran
Archer/Wood
Bess/Leach
Broad

I think this team can prove to be the best English side since Strauss. I would prefer Buttler to take over as captain, but it appears that Root would get a long rope after this series win.

Anderson should be rotated with Curran and Archer and Wood should also be rotated to avoid running them into the ground.

Then you have the likes of Woakes etc. in the reserves as well. There is a lot of quality and depth in there.

Stokes, Roy and Buttler batting in tandem could be quite a spectacle and turn the match on its head in a session.

Pope is technically ready to be the long-term #3, and Root belongs at #4.

I think denly batted alot better than his numbers suggest, he knows how to deal with the short ball and is an overall good player of seam bowling.

Roy was tested in the middle order during ashes, he so far has not shown the temperament for test cricket.

Sam hain looks a good batsman, he should be considered.

For now both denly and Zak crawley will be considered before even the thought of Roy back in tests

 

[Manunited18]

Agreed. I think Denly is a stop-gap. I would prefer Burns back and try Crawley at #3.

I think they are keeping Stokes under wraps in case injury flares up. They only seem to give him a run if Root needs an aggressive burst.

This would make the side for SL:

Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Bess (though I would prefer Moeen back for this tour)
Wood / Archer
Leach
Broad

I wouldn't completely discard haseeb, hes moved to Notts, his form pre injury and form slump he was a gun potential, who went to India and scored consistently

 

[sindhiboy]

I wouldn't completely discard haseeb, hes moved to Notts, his form pre injury and form slump he was a gun potential, who went to India and scored consistently

That was wayy long ago. Surely can't consider him now.

About 30 other county batsman have performed better than him.

 

[Manunited18]

That was wayy long ago. Surely can't consider him now.

About 30 other county batsman have performed better than him.

England hirachy rate him very highly, if he has a good county season u cannot discard him, he's only 22, hes already proven he can hack it at international cricket, form is temporary class is permanent

 

[Robert]

I wouldn't completely discard haseeb, hes moved to Notts, his form pre injury and form slump he was a gun potential, who went to India and scored consistently

It would be great to have him back. He is very correct and temeramentally good, like a young Atherton.

 

[jnaveen1980]

So there was no rain today to help them out. This is probably one of their most embarrassing Test loss at home. But this team is capable of losing like that. Going forward records against SA have to be taken with a pinch of salt. i suppose. They should blood a young captain like they did with Graeme smith.

 

[Manunited18]

It would be great to have him back. He is very correct and temeramentally good, like a young Atherton.

Yes absolutely

 

[sindhiboy]

Livingstone, Sam Hain are much better than Jason Roy or hameed

 

[James]

The problem faced by Joe Denly is that most players who averages low 30s after 12 Tests tend to have a few fifties, also a ton (or even two) - and then a big bunch of single figure failures.

So you have seen them in their best form at some point - and you envisage that form coming back more consistently one day - then they could potentially get their average into the high 30s or even above 40.

But Old Joe averages 30ish precisely because.... he always seems to score around 30ish. Which is a bit unusual and strange, and quite concerning for a number 3 as well.

Young Joe and Silverwood need to find a gradual replacement. Maybe Crawley, like other PPers have said?

 

[HappyWarsFan]

So there was no rain today to help them out. This is probably one of their most embarrassing Test loss at home. But this team is capable of losing like that. Going forward records against SA have to be taken with a pinch of salt. i suppose. They should blood a young captain like they did with Graeme smith.

SA also got some huge defeats to Aus in the 2014 test series.

 

[James]

Oh and before anyone has a pop at us for flogging a flimsy South African side, we won in South Africa in both 2005 and 2015 as well - teams that featured many more of the South African legends (Smith, Pollock, Gibbs, Kallis, Boucher, Steyn, Ntini, ABDV, Amla etc) than obviously this team does - so we have earned our right to face a weaker side now as well.

 

[Ab Fan]

This is a good win for England. They have a knack of performing very well in South Africa. They have beaten better SA teams, so there is not much surprise with this win.

However, England would do well if they can maintain this performance against Australia and New Zealand home and away and against India and Pakistan away. It's been a while since they have won a test series against Australia and New Zealand.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Oh and before anyone has a pop at us for flogging a flimsy South African side, we won in South Africa in both 2005 and 2015 as well - teams that featured many more of the South African legends (Smith, Pollock, Gibbs, Kallis, Boucher, Steyn, Ntini, ABDV, Amla etc) than obviously this team does - so we have earned our right to face a weaker side now as well.

Yes so that means England is SA's kryptonite. This was expected. England will continue being mediocre. Watch as Naseem shah tears apart England in a few months time.

 

[Ab Fan]

Has to be said that Pakistan are England's kryptonite. Way back from 1992 onwards.

 

[Robert]

This is a good win for England. They have a knack of performing very well in South Africa. They have beaten better SA teams, so there is not much surprise with this win.

However, England would do well if they can maintain this performance against Australia and New Zealand home and away and against India and Pakistan away. It's been a while since they have won a test series against Australia and New Zealand.

Similar conditions to England in SA.

Would have been been very handy to have had Wood, Archer and Stokes in Australia last time, instead of four medium pacers.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Has to be said that Pakistan are England's kryptonite. Way back from 1992 onwards.

England has suffered home series loss to every nation over the last 20 years. They are not as invincible as OZ at home.

 

[sindhiboy]

Yes so that means England is SA's kryptonite. This was expected. England will continue being mediocre. Watch as Naseem shah tears apart England in a few months time.

Eng is playing Pakistan this year? What month exactly?

Pretty ambitious goal for naseem
Give Naseem Atleast a year to develop the ability to rip sena batting line ups at home.
He most likely won't be as lethal as u think.

Yasir is done and is already being tonked around. As talented as Naseem is, eng don't have to worry about a teenage rookie pacer.
The rest of the pak bowlers ain't that special

 

[sindhiboy]

Has to be said that Pakistan are England's kryptonite. Way back from 1992 onwards.

But pak had much better players . Barring a few talented rookie pacers, eng don't have that much to worry about.

Azhar and asad are in their last few years. Compared to 2012, the batting line up is minnow like.

Eng have the upper hand in all departments. In fact, I am going as far as to say that eng have a very good chance to beat India in India this year

 

[andy0204]

But pak had much better players . Barring a few talented rookie pacers, eng don't have that much to worry about.

Azhar and asad are in their last few years. Compared to 2012, the batting line up is minnow like.

Eng have the upper hand in all departments. In fact, I am going as far as to say that eng have a very good chance to beat India in India this year

To beat India in India and Australia in Australia is like Snatching morsel from lion's mouth

 

[andy0204]

But pak had much better players . Barring a few talented rookie pacers, eng don't have that much to worry about.

Azhar and asad are in their last few years. Compared to 2012, the batting line up is minnow like.

Eng have the upper hand in all departments. In fact, I am going as far as to say that eng have a very good chance to beat India in India this year

To beat India in India and Australia in Australia is like snatching morsel from lion's mouth

 

[sindhiboy]

To beat India in India and Australia in Australia is like Snatching morsel from lion's mouth

South Africa beat aus in aus the same year eng won in south Africa
India will win, but if there is any team with a chance of beating india , its england.

Eng have the spinners and bang it in pacers for Indian pitches and have a small chance of out doing Indian batsman, however small that chance is

. Root and stokes play spin really well, pope is shaping to be engs main batsman and might be by the time of the tour.
Also have a feeling burns and Sibley will survive bumrah.
Shami and the spinners are England batsmens main obstacles.

 

[James]

To beat India in India and Australia in Australia is like snatching morsel from lion's mouth

We did both! Once upon a time.

Better times!

 

[Manunited18]

Eng is playing Pakistan this year? What month exactly?

Pretty ambitious goal for naseem
Give Naseem Atleast a year to develop the ability to rip sena batting line ups at home.
He most likely won't be as lethal as u think.

Yasir is done and is already being tonked around. As talented as Naseem is, eng don't have to worry about a teenage rookie pacer.
The rest of the pak bowlers ain't that special

Shaheen, naseem rauf, and gohar will make a good pakistan attack