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soso_killer said:
have a look at his record outside the concrete slabs of Australia
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Be that as it may. But when you don't have Batsmen who can last on flat pitches , what do you do? Clarke can be accused of being a fair weather scorer and a HTB but you need somebody at the other end to score runs. How will he get tons when you have crap like Hughes and Watto at the other hand.
 
Capitulation.

Maybe the bowlers can salvage some pride. They must be really cross with the batters.....
 
118/9, 230/8, 130 all out and 136/6 so far.

What a truly abysmal batting lineup. Even worse than the Aussie side in the 2010/11 series.
 
cricketfanfirst said:
It is a poor display from Aussies after fighting hard for nearly 2 hours. Giving wickets to Root is criminal.
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Root is apparently pretty good for a part-time spinner, they've always said so in domestic cricket.
 
leatherface58 said:
Be that as it may. But when you don't have Batsmen who can last on flat pitches , what do you do? Clarke can be accused of being a fair weather scorer and a HTB but you need somebody at the other end to score runs. How will he get tons when you have crap like Hughes and Watto at the other hand.
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i never said there was anything wrong with being a FTB. However you have to be recognised as such nothing more.
I cringe when he gets mentioned along Amla, Cook and AB, these are all-round players with good records everywhere. Clarke is limited in my view.

And your point about Watto and Hughes is irrelevant. Clarke played with great players for the vast majority of his career, and got in with a platform laid. So there is no excuse for a paltry average of 40 away from home as he had a soft start to his international career.
 
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James said:
118/9, 230/8, 130 all out and 136/6 so far.

What a truly abysmal batting lineup. Even worse than the Aussie side in the 2010/11 series.
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Hussey and Surprise surprise Haddin and to an extent Watto hid their flaws then. Punter was flopping and so was Pup. Dropping Katich and Hussey has been a gigantic blunder.
 
soso_killer said:
Clarke played with great players for the vast majority of his career, and got in with a platform laid. So there is no excuse for a paltry average of 40 away from home as he had a soft start to his international career.
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Is that all it is? For a number 5, an away average of 40 is ordinary indeed.
 
James said:
Root is apparently pretty good for a part-time spinner, they've always said so in domestic cricket.
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I see, but these wickets, specially of Clarke was not on. This is the result of taking part-timers easy. Should have stuck through to tea and shown some fight.

A total of around 350 would have given some confidence to Aussie batters in the remaining tests.
 
leatherface58 said:
Dropping Katich and Hussey has been a gigantic blunder.
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One definitely forced out by Pup's politics and the other possibly the same.

Clarke may be a quality batsman and much-vaunted 'tactician', but he has done more harm to this side than good.
 
James said:
Is that all it is? For a number 5, an away average of 40 is ordinary indeed.
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Soso killer hates the number 40. I don't know why. Even during Swann vs Kumble discussion, he was disdainfully mentioning number 40. Even now! Poor 40. What has that number ever done to you Soso Killer? :(
 
James said:
Is that all it is? For a number 5, an away average of 40 is ordinary indeed.
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in Asia his average is 39 and i keep on getting told he is very good against spin, even compared to Lara.

You are absolutely right 40 is even worst for a number 5
 
leatherface58 said:
Soso killer hates the number 40. I don't know why. Even during Swann vs Kumble discussion, he was disdainfully mentioning number 40. Even now! Poor 40. What has that number ever done to you Soso Killer? :(
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lol 40 is having a bad day then.

But James raised a very good point. My argument has always been that an average of 40 is poor for someone who is mentioned as possibly the next great along Cook, Amla, AB possibly KP.

But when you take James point into account that is really poor.
 
Yeah if you're in the top 3 with an away average of 40, then it wouldn't be as bad. Still not great, but not poor either.

But at number 5. A position that's often neither here nor there. Wow.
 
154 for 7 & rest day on Monday .Root now emerging as serious contender for MoM .
 
James said:
Yeah if you're in the top 3 with an away average of 40, then it wouldn't be as bad. Still not great, but not poor either.

But at number 5. A position that's often neither here nor there. Wow.
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i think that also illustrates that the word "great" is thrown around these days. An average of 40 away is decent but for someone who is to be considered a great thats never acceptable.

The guys i mentioned above are said to be possible heirs to the likes of Dravid, Lara, Ponting, Kallis and Tendulkar. If thats the case then Clarke should be removed from the list
 
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Massive noise, an the only thing it could have been was ball on bat. Hotspot had no mark, but it doesn't always seem to with faint nick, which would confirm why Several batsman has reviewed fine edges hoping to get away with it. Snicko had a noise.
Personally in real time I thought it was out and watching the replay I thought it was out.
 
AdidasBeard said:
Massive noise, an the only thing it could have been was ball on bat. Hotspot had no mark, but it doesn't always seem to with faint nick, which would confirm why Several batsman has reviewed fine edges hoping to get away with it. Snicko had a noise.
Personally in real time I thought it was out and watching the replay I thought it was out.
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Well it's been proven as out now. Good review from England, and good work from Tony Hill in the box to correctly overturn the on-field call.

DRS continues to increase the frequency of correct decisions - and people just keep on moanin'.
 
James said:
118/9, 230/8, 130 all out and 136/6 so far.

What a truly abysmal batting lineup. Even worse than the Aussie side in the 2010/11 series.
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It is one of the weakest sides Aussie ever, especially the batting. They lost 4-0 to an Indian side fresh from a rare home defeat to England, and what is happening here is totally on expected lines. Even in India, they were bailed out time and again by the lower order, and they are going to require a lot of that in England also.
 
Should England take the new ball when it becomes available provided Australia survives that long?
 
James said:
Well it's been proven as out now. Good review from England, and good work from Tony Hill in the box to correctly overturn the on-field call.

DRS continues to increase the frequency of correct decisions - and people just keep on moanin'.
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Yep, The howlers this series are coming from the umpires and from the Australians criminal use of the system and yet everyone seems to want to moan about DRS, don't really understand it.
 
Actually doing a bit better than I expected. Two 50s!
 
AdidasBeard said:
Yep, The howlers this series are coming from the umpires and from the Australians criminal use of the system and yet everyone seems to want to moan about DRS, don't really understand it.
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DRS is proven to increase the frequency of correct decisions and is here to stay. Many sports such as rugby, tennis, and soon football have greatly benefited from the introduction of technology, cricket is the latest example. I know it's a traditional game, but things change, and evolve, and old fuddy-duddies like Holding to get used to this.
 
Technology is used mostly for line decisions in other sports. In cricket also, this would be a very reliable use of technology, for example for deciding a run out or stumping. But edge decisions, lbws etc are much more complex applications of technology compared to other sports.
 
Harris is a genuinely poor batsman, let's knock him over and go home.
 
England have bowled well all day, but they really could do with a day off tomorrow. Need this last one.
 
Brilliant bowling to finish it. Brilliant umpiring as well! :warne
 
Finally, saved everyone tickets for a day and the bother of watching people come out for 1 wicket.


Good showing by Swann. Root for MoM no doubt, but I'd consider handing it to Swann. Vital partnership with Broad in the first innings, and 9 wickets on a flat pitch, and reducing Australia to a subpar 1st innings was what killed the match. Root getting the 180 and 3 wickets was admirable, but just a nail in the coffin.
 
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