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England vs India | 2nd Test | Lord's | Aug 9-13, 2018 | Day 3 Thread

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Pandya cemented his place for the rest of the series and maybe another few series after
 
I really like Sanga in commentary box...very neutral and good insights. Unlike few very biased so called Carribean legends.
 
22 overs on and the ball is still moving around, not a surprise that the subcontinent batsmen struggle in these conditions with these balls.
 
We were told wait till Eng bat..... Now what's the excuse?
 
England lucky Bhuvi not playing, he would have made life tough for them here.
 
IAJ said:
22 overs on and the ball is still moving around, not a surprise that the subcontinent batsmen struggle in these conditions with these balls.
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Its nothing compared to yesterday...it was like fast leg breaks yesterday. Today is moderate swing
 
Kohli said:
And we played just 2 front line seamers on this track, where the ball is moving around a lot even after 25 overs.
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Umesh Yadav is rubbish....it was a good move to play 2 spinners. I would have preferred Jadeja though
 
If India get England out less than 200 then I say we have a game. England has wasted an opportunity to bat India out of the game. If India bat today after lunch, they will get better batting conditions and I’m sure they will perform better .
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Umesh Yadav is rubbish....it was a good move to play 2 spinners. I would have preferred Jadeja though
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Still I'll take him over Kuldeep. No even Jadeja won't make much difference as matches won't last even 4 days, moreover it will allow batsmen to build a partnership.

This and, Pak vs Eng are some of the best tracks I've come across in recent times. Truly Lord's is the best place for test cricket. Has something for batsmen, bowlers and even spinners.

On a sidenote, it's good to see 4 wickets fall in first session, looks like a result is on the cards.
 
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One more wicket and India are in it with a chance
 
the_outsider said:
No excuse.
But if you cannot see the difference in conditions between yesterday and today then it's very clear where the bias lies.
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Doesn’t that happen all the time? One day easy conditions next day hard, its not something You can do about it and it happens to every team.
 
Amirforpresident said:
Doesn’t that happen all the time? One day easy conditions next day hard, its not something You can do about it and it happens to every team.
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No it doesn't happen all the time. In most countries that teams tour, only the pitch matters. And the pitch remains more or less the same for both teams.

England is the only country where overhead conditions play such a big role. And in England the conditions change so dramatically from day to day that luck becomes a big factor.

India batted poorly - no doubt about it. But one also cannot deny the fact that England got the best possible bowling conditions on day 2 and now have the best possible batting conditions on day 3. India have batted poorly but England have been very lucky with the weather conditions as well.
 
Game is perfectly in balance - if IND can sneak more more before Poms are head, it's an open game. ENG doesn't have Stokes, hence that batting line-up isn't that good as it looks on paper.
 
England should get at least 250 here

Buttler looking dangerous and Woakes is brilliant in England.
 
MMHS said:
Game is perfectly in balance - if IND can sneak more more before Poms are head, it's an open game. ENG doesn't have Stokes, hence that batting line-up isn't that good as it looks on paper.
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Game is running out of India's hands. We are one fast bowler short.
 
This pair will race along the scoring, but they'll give chances - hope IND holds on to catches, otherwise it'll end in a one sided game.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Game is running out of India's hands. We are one fast bowler short.
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107 doesn't give much chance to bowlers. IND pacers are bowling well, but they are caught in double trap - need to attack to get wickets with catching fielding, but that leaks runs at alarming rate.

Kohli & Ravi can explain better how they could come up with 2 spinners thought process in a 4 day Test under damp condition.
 
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Just get a 100 run lead and bowl again... not much time left in this game if we go by weather predictions.
 
I have this thought in my head that Kohli has no clue how to marshall 5 bowlers in a test match. He always seems to underbowl one or two bowlers, sometimes even forgetting to bowl one. I am not sure if true, but if I get time I will check previous scorecards.
 
Should give rest to shami. He is injury prone and things will get worse if he gets injured now.
 
Its already getting cloudy here...forecast of rain for next 2 days. Looks like a certain draw...hard luck to Pak and Eng supporters :srini
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Its already getting cloudy here...forecast of rain for next 2 days. Looks like a certain draw...hard luck to Pak and Eng supporters :srini
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Just make sure you dont get England all out... Clouderson will wreak havoc if he gets another chance to bowl :misbah
 
Just 2 pacers in conditions where there is ample support for pacers. This is just pathetic.
 
We will lose by an innings.
Poor batting and mindless captaincy will be responsible for it.
 
Markhor said:
It was ridiculous to think the white ball cricket leading up to the Tests would prepare the side for this series. The conditions are completely different - you hardly see the white ball swing an inch in England these days.

I strongly believe Pakistan's results in England in 2016 and 2018 was due to the thorough preparation and time spent acclimatising to conditions. The Ireland Test especially this year helped battle harden the players in similar conditions before facing England.
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In contrast India was preparing for this tour by playing farewell game with Afghanistan at home with Dhawan as opener!
 
Rahul1 said:
Just 2 pacers in conditions where there is ample support for pacers. This is just pathetic.
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Don't know why Kohli played Kuldeep ? That to in the place of Yadav :facepalm: even a donkey knows that you need 3 full time pacers in England.
 
Kaptan said:
Don't know why Kohli played Kuldeep ? That to in the place of Yadav :facepalm: even a donkey knows that you need 3 full time pacers in England.
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He might even play with just one pacer for next match with 3 spinners. You never know with king kohli.
 
I am assuming that this pitch would've eased out by now, even if England manage a 200 run lead, India should just knuckle down in the 3rd innings and bat as long as they can. Weather might eventually come to the rescue and a loss could be avoided.
 
Bairstow once again proving why he is the most mentally strong player in this English line-up.

On the side note, brilliant so far by Shami.
 
This is definitely not a 100+ wicket. You can score 200 to 300 if you have decent batsmen in your lineup. Of course you will get that unplayable balls here & there and even a set batsman can get out! (That's why it is not a 300 to 500 flat pitch!) Once you get 200+ on the board, it will put pressure on the opposition and I am sure England would have been something like 120 for 6 or 130 or 7 looking at 200+ Cricket is also a mind game and it is not just about technique, footwork, skills (ask Laxman/Sehwag).

All the problem is with Indian batting lineup! We should have got rid of Pujara & Rahane, once they showed so much weakness (Pujara overseas and Rahane at home against spinners!) Well now I have understood that the batting lineup should be settled for a test team to perform well! It is not like picking specialist bowlers for specific conditions! Batsmen's game is more psychological (they get only one chance in an innings to get out), bowlers have the room to improve their overs in an innings! When Rahane was struggling so much at home and we were winning at home because of home-advantage & spinners, that was the time to understand that we needed someone to replace him by that time itself (Now you can see how he is struggling even in his favorite overseas conditions! Come on you can say that he has applied well in this innings, performed in the past, etc, etc, blah blah! Whatever it is, he should have scored at least 1 fifty in these 3 innings + whatever innings he played in South Africa, for all the reputation he has! Luck cannot go wrong that much!) And Pujara is struggling so much to score, he is getting run-out several times! And we got carried away with his marathons at home (we could have won those matches more easily with another batsman scoring faster! Or heck I wouldn't have minded losing one series at home if it cost us for the betterment now! The Australian series I guess!) Now I am sure Pujara is going to struggle even at home, mark my words! And all these useless things like trying Dhawan as opener, Rohit Sharma in tests, etc. We never understood that Dhawan & Rohit are ODI specialists (it is going to affect their ODI batting also if things go like this! Like it affected Rahul's test batting in the quest to prosper in LOIs. Sometimes you may have to control these emotions of players who want to perform in all formats!) India could have easily got at least two useful test batsmen had they planned everything properly (instead of Dosti-dosti, yaari-yaari love-tales!) We got the clue long back that Vijay is aging (by now we could have carefully got a substitute for him gradually by grooming someone) Same thing is happening in LOIs in a similar way...

You can guess that all these things lies in the hands of "coach". This idiot is the dumbest coach for India ever! As soon as he was assigned for this job, I felt that disaster was about to happen soon! The selectors can do only so much (in fact a good coach & captain can request certain specific things from selectors!) Kohli - the captain on field is making matters worse with his on-field decisions & resource-handling! But the bigger culprit is coach... I know that Kohli is the eligible gentleman in the team to lead! No one else in the team has that reputation & capacity to play all formats! But he should have been under a proper coach! Kumble would have been so ideal (I feel even Kumble should have compromised a bit - for the betterment of Indian cricket, setting egos aside & relaxed his toughness a bit!)
 
This partnership has broken India. I reckon England could declare now and win by an innings.
 
lead of +100 now. Eng are blessed to have genuine all rounders with Stokes/Currakram/Woakes, always doing something with both bat and ball. Remember a time when in their perennial search of the next Botham they showcased dozens of bits and pieces cricketers (minus Flintoff), now they can barely fit all of this talent into the XI at the same time.
 
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