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England vs India | 5th Test | The Oval | September 7-11, 2018 | Day 2 Thread

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Discuss Day 2 of India - England here.

How long will India take to polish off England? Will they finally get a big score once done, or will they suffer the same 150/5 fate as them?
 
KL Rahul should know that this innings or otherwise someone else will be selected for Australian tour! If he scores decently here, then he will get a chance to play WI series at home so that he can consolidate himself! Actually even team needs good show from openers in this match. 3-2 result is minimum considering the effort the bowlers have put in this series! Please don't undermine the efforts of bowlers saying that these are bowling pitches! It is just that India batsmen have played so poorly to make these pitches look lethal (see how Kohli has played. I am sure he would have scored even more runs if others supported him! At least 1 double century + one more century by now! The gap between him & rest of the batsmen from either sides is so huge to an extent that only Sam Curran is the next best in terms of impact!) These Indian pacers have bowled well even on dead Indian pitches and contributed a lot to the dominant success at home! (In contrast to default notion that India win at home because of only turning tracks!) We can honestly say that the current Indian pace unit is the best ever in its history! At the same time the batting unit is (not) one of the worst in its history only because of Kohli!

Anyhow the important task now is to get them out cheaply! Otherwise it will add to the difficulty!
 
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Bowlers will love today, its a lil bit chilly and cloudy, perfect. Should be a tough day for the batsmen if the rain holds back...and England are in serious trouble with some plain stupid batting.
 
Rashid super lucky to nick that onto his pad otherwise he was toast on the LBW.
 
Looks like the usual narrative, England post low first innings score, India look to be ahead but come out with poor first inning total, england rturn in the 3rd innings to post a decent total for India to chase and India as usual collapse in 4th inning and lose.

Will this game be any different? :leo
 
Oligochaetes said:
Looks like the usual narrative, England post low first innings score, India look to be ahead but come out with poor first inning total, england rturn in the 3rd innings to post a decent total for India to chase and India as usual collapse in 4th inning and lose.

Will this game be any different? :leo
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It will be different if the game is suddenly shifted to Eden Gardens or Wankhede Stadium!
 
Inch by inch Poms are closing to a decent total. IND will bat 4th here.
 
Do you think woakes should have played considering the way ball is swinging? also much better batsman than rashid
 
Once again the so called top Indian pacers allowing India to post a decent total on a bowlers wicket. This has happened repeatedly in this series but all so hear is how lethal the Indian pace attack has been. They have been GOOD to be fair. At times, very good. Lethal? Nope. Lethal attacks do not allow opposition good totals on bowlers tracks time after time.
 
The Googly said:
Once again the so called top Indian pacers allowing India to post a decent total on a bowlers wicket. This has happened repeatedly in this series but all so hear is how lethal the Indian pace attack has been. They have been GOOD to be fair. At times, very good. Lethal? Nope. Lethal attacks do not allow opposition good totals on bowlers tracks time after time.
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Agreed, Eng already has a good score. 250 is a huge score on this pitch.
 
The Googly said:
Once again the so called top Indian pacers allowing India to post a decent total on a bowlers wicket. This has happened repeatedly in this series but all so hear is how lethal the Indian pace attack has been. They have been GOOD to be fair. At times, very good. Lethal? Nope. Lethal attacks do not allow opposition good totals on bowlers tracks time after time.
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Apart from Lord's, where England batted 2nd, England have not yet crossed 300 in the 1st innings of any test match. They have infact crossed 300 only twice in 8 innings so far.

The last time something like this happened was when SA toured India in 2015.

That can mean only 1 of 2 things:

Either these pitches are as one-sided as the worst rank turners India has produced.

Or, India has bowled exceptionally well. And it's the batsmen who have underperformed almost every time, regularly scoring 70-90 runs less than they should.
 
Field is a bit too spread out for my liking in this condition with 8 down. That sweeper cover should be at point, if not at slip.
 
the_outsider said:
Apart from Lord's, where England batted 2nd, England have not yet crossed 300 in the 1st innings of any test match. They have infact crossed 300 only twice in 8 innings so far.

The last time something like this happened was when SA toured India in 2015.

That can mean only 1 of 2 things:

Either these pitches are as one-sided as the worst rank turners India has produced.

Or, India has bowled exceptionally well. And it's the batsmen who have underperformed almost every time, regularly scoring 70-90 runs less than they should.
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I think it's the latter. Our bowlers have bowled their heart out(Barring Ashwin and Pundya).

Who knows, had our batsmen supported, we'd have even won the series
 
As usual India cant get rid of the tail.. Ppl say would India have won had they won the toss more often, I say NO. The reason they lost is cause they cant get rid of the tail.
 
Kohli said:
I think it's the latter. Our bowlers have bowled their heart out(Barring Ashwin and Pundya).

Who knows, had our batsmen supported, we'd have even won the series
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Me too. It's clear to me that it's our batsmen who have underperformed.

3 out of out 6 pure batsmen have failed. Both our wicketkeepers have failed to contribute with the bat and unlike England's all-rounders Pandya and Ashwin have been very average with the bat as well.

That adds up to far more number of batsmen who have underperformed compared to bowler. Ashwin has been our worst bowler and even he has taken 11 wickets in 4 matches.
 
What’s the issue with India not able to clean tail . Should have never been more than 240
 
India have bowled poorly today.

These are very good bowling conditions - what’s with this short of length nonsense.

Fields should be attacking as well - ball is swinging. Why out fielders on boundaries ?

They have let England off the hook with these tactics.
 
Broad is going better than in a long time.

Wonder if England can cross 300?
 
From 181/7 to this, again India's struggle continues. Sure they won't score enough with the bat as well.
 
Asif321 said:
What’s the issue with India not able to clean tail . Should have never been more than 240
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England's lower order is really good. The best in the world.

Their lower order (#6 to #9) of Stokes, Buttler, Adil, Woakes have a combined 39 FC hundreds to their names. Highest in the world by a huge margin.

People are underestimating just how good England's lower order is, especially at home.
 
Robert said:
Broad is going better than in a long time.

Wonder if England can cross 300?
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You missed a big trick by keeping Buttler out of the XI after that India away series in 2017. He plays very well with tailenders.
 
I feel like am watching the same movie again and again... I mean game... :tahir2

It's like watching shakespeare every week with same screenplay but different actors
 
Indians can just handover the match and return back home! Its been a routine now... No need to work hard for bad result at the end! Indian openers already feeling the heat!
 
Poor stuff from India, they overtry and over experiment against tailenders. Really unlike no1 team
 
Ab Fan said:
You missed a big trick by keeping Buttler out of the XI after that India away series in 2017. He plays very well with tailenders.
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Yep, and he should be at #5 not #7. He averages fifty in tests!
 
the_outsider said:
England's lower order is really good. The best in the world.

Their lower order (#6 to #9) of Stokes, Buttler, Adil, Woakes have a combined 39 FC hundreds to their names. Highest in the world by a huge margin.

People are underestimating just how good England's lower order is, especially at home.
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It’s good and understandable if it was curran but broad ? Rashid have been scoring eaisly
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Hmm...looks like drawn test
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India are already 3 down as of now (Rahul, Dhawan, Vihari)!

Actually 14 down if you count both innings! Kohli special can work only if England get out below 200 which happened only once!
 
With England, their bits and pieces do brilliantly at home but when they travel, they all are exposed and struggle to perform with bat or even with bowl except maybe Stokes.

Think England should still continue with bits and pieces because their specialists anyways dont perform as consistently with bat or bowl to make up for that.
 
The Googly said:
Once again the so called top Indian pacers allowing India to post a decent total on a bowlers wicket. This has happened repeatedly in this series but all so hear is how lethal the Indian pace attack has been. They have been GOOD to be fair. At times, very good. Lethal? Nope. Lethal attacks do not allow opposition good totals on bowlers tracks time after time.
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England's tail scored way more runs against Mitchell Johnson,Mitchell Starc and Hazelwood in the 2015 Ashes.Now you don't get an attack more lethal than that. It is just that England's tail is pretty good in their home conditions.
 
India have handed back the initiative they wrested last evening
 
RamLakhan said:
India are already 3 down as of now (Rahul, Dhawan, Vihari)!

Actually 14 down if you count both innings! Kohli special can work only if England get out below 200 which happened only once!
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I think Rahul will score big in this test.
 
India are themselves to blame for this series loss . England were not so strong as they were made to look
 
the_outsider said:
England's lower order is really good. The best in the world.

Their lower order (#6 to #9) of Stokes, Buttler, Adil, Woakes have a combined 39 FC hundreds to their names. Highest in the world by a huge margin.

People are underestimating just how good England's lower order is, especially at home.
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Best in the home conditions probably. But they have even made plenty of runs against the likes of Mitchell Johnson and Starc who can rattle up any tailender with their pace.Even in the lost test test against Pakistan, their last 4 made more than 130 runs in the second innings.
 
India as pathetic today as they were brilliant yesterday, the fans must be infuriated :facepalm:
 
Ab Fan said:
With England, their bits and pieces do brilliantly at home but when they travel, they all are exposed and struggle to perform with bat or even with bowl except maybe Stokes.

Think England should still continue with bits and pieces because their specialists anyways dont perform as consistently with bat or bowl to make up for that.
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Lol! Bro lethal tail had Ali, Woakes etc, now even Rashid and Broad are scoring. If I am not wrong this is highest score for broad in some years (post his injury), its just poor pace bowling and its better to accept it rather making such points and excuses.

Sometimes its the toss, sometimes its the fluke, sometimes other teams tail plays better at home, lol guys comeon Eng has been a better team plain and simple. India has been pretty poor in England for sometime now so losing a series wasn’t unexpected.
 
Kohli is a great player but has been disappointment as tactician.

A team making same mistakes 3 test in a row doesnt deserve to be no 1 but cometh the home series and that will create that artificial ranking again
 
Titan24 said:
Lol! Bro lethal tail had Ali, Woakes etc, now even Rashid and Broad are scoring. If I am not wrong this is highest score for broad in some years (post his injury), its just poor pace bowling and its better to accept it rather making such points and excuses.

Sometimes its the toss, sometimes its the fluke, sometimes other teams tail plays better at home, lol guys comeon Eng has been a better team plain and simple. India has been pretty poor in England for sometime now so losing a series wasn’t unexpected.
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I dont make excuses. Never ever.
 
Shastri has the look of a man that has seen a ghost.

I am mystified how India have allowed this to get away so quickly this morning. Although I do think Shami has been very unlucky, and deserved a wicket or two.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Shastri has the look of a man that has seen a ghost.

I am mystified how India have allowed this to get away so quickly this morning. Although I do think Shami has been very unlucky, and deserved a wicket or two.
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Not full enough with the ball doing as much as it is, should've at least gone wider of the crease. He has to stop feeling sorry for himself and look to correct it
 
India better raise their yo yo test benchmark as it seems like their bowlers start to struggle as the innings goes on.
 
While the ball is swinging like banana, it is hard to describe this eng inning. This 9th wicket has amassed more than 1/3 of English total. The way ball is moving, Ind will be lucky to get to even 200 in the first inning unless we are going to see another Kohl's special.
 
It's incredible that England have scored 300/8 after being 7 down on the 1st day.

A combination of luck, grit and class of Buttler.

On the other side "auto-pilot" captaincy; bad luck and bad team selection :facepalm: (Pandya)
 
Titan24 said:
Lol! Bro lethal tail had Ali, Woakes etc, now even Rashid and Broad are scoring. If I am not wrong this is highest score for broad in some years (post his injury), its just poor pace bowling and its better to accept it rather making such points and excuses.

Sometimes its the toss, sometimes its the fluke, sometimes other teams tail plays better at home, lol guys comeon Eng has been a better team plain and simple. India has been pretty poor in England for sometime now so losing a series wasn’t unexpected.
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You don't understand cricket at all if you think the bowling has been poor or is to blame in any way.

It's just very good batting from Buttler and co. and poor tactics by Kohli.
 
Robert said:
Yep, and he should be at #5 not #7. He averages fifty in tests!
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The thing is if we look at that England lineup, Root and Bairstow are also naturally no.4 or 5 and Buttler also seems to be one similar to it.

England need to find a high quality top order batsmen who gives stability at the top and make it easier for middle order to maximise the set platform.
 
What has happened here?? Now broad replaces Curran, once again one big partnership by tail, this is story all summer.

Indian seamers has done well, but not able to finish of tail is the reason they lost most matches.
 
Nice tactics to start the session with a spinner - Kohli must have played double bluff here, predicting that batsmen will go after the spinner immediately.
 
Damage is done however. Eng will slog now to get as much as as possible.
 
Buttler just misses out on another ton.

332 is a strong total here.
 
So 332 it is.

It will be a hard hard day to survive for Indians.

I fully expect a 5fer from Jimmy or Broad.

Jadeja gets a 4fer :yk
 
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