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India [145, 49/0] roll over England [112, 81] inside 2 days with 10-wicket win in 3rd Test; lead 2-1

Is it Pink ball that is doing the tricks? Pink balls have an extra coat of laquer. Given the amount of lbws and bowleds they mostly succumbed to straighter balls.
 
So if India wins, but the whole match is completed with only 385 runs in 4 innings, presumably both teams will end up with 0 World Test Championship points, because the ICC will deduct India’s 30 points for an unfit wicket.

So does that mean that today’s events have ensured that the Final will be Australia v New Zealand?
 
Mesozoic said:
Goodbye from the world test championship, England.

May be next time.... :rabada2
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See my post.

If this Test ends inside 2 days with less than 400 runs scored, both teams will get zero points for it.

That means that in taking pitch-doctoring too far, India will have eliminated themselves too and delivered Australia into the Final!
 
Junaids said:
See my post.

If this Test ends inside 2 days with less than 400 runs scored, both teams will get zero points for it.

That means that in taking pitch-doctoring too far, India will have eliminated themselves too and delivered Australia into the Final!
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Why Australia deserve ? They lose series to india who had 3rd string bowling attack at home
 
I hope most Indian fans acknowledge this Pitch is a disgrace to Test cricket.

I don’t mind home advantage but is this a contest between bat and ball ?

A game that’s supposed to last 4 or 5 days finishing inside 2 should raise alarm bells.

The ICC should intervene and at least label this wicket unsuitable so it sends a message.
 
Junaids said:
See my post.

If this Test ends inside 2 days with less than 400 runs scored, both teams will get zero points for it.

That means that in taking pitch-doctoring too far, India will have eliminated themselves too and delivered Australia into the Final!
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Not happening.
 
Junaids said:
See my post.

If this Test ends inside 2 days with less than 400 runs scored, both teams will get zero points for it.

That means that in taking pitch-doctoring too far, India will have eliminated themselves too and delivered Australia into the Final!
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Keep dreaming!
 
Devadwal said:
Why Australia deserve ? They lose series to india who had 3rd string bowling attack at home
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There are a range of transgressions which lead to World Test Championship points being deducted. NZ sneaked ahead of Australia into the Final when Australia lost points for a slow over rate.

Currently Australia, England and India are incredibly close in WTC qualification, and India only needed to win one of the two Tests to qualify.

But a Test pitch can’t be worse than this - 385 runs in 4 innings and over in two days is just screaming out for a points deduction for the hosts, whether they win or lose or tie.
 
Devadwal said:
Why Australia deserve ? They lose series to india who had 3rd string bowling attack at home
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They dont deserve India is a better team as they proved. But Indian captain who keeps asking for these pitches does not deserve to going to any show piece final event either. You dont want a captain of number 1 test side to undermine test cricket like this.
 
Australia are a better bet in the WTC final anyway as we'll probably choke to the kiwis in the final like we always do.

EnZed have a mental block against the Australians, not so much against us.
 
Junaids said:
So if India wins, but the whole match is completed with only 385 runs in 4 innings, presumably both teams will end up with 0 World Test Championship points, because the ICC will deduct India’s 30 points for an unfit wicket.

So does that mean that today’s events have ensured that the Final will be Australia v New Zealand?
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Think you are over reacting. India has beaten Australia in Australia in 2 back to back series. Why would Australia deserve to be in final?

Both the test matches in NZ finished in 2.5 days when Indian last played there.

Adelaide test (where India bundled for 36) finished in 2.5 days.

I am not defending this pitch but think we are all over reacting a bit.
 
Only 3 points will be deducted if the wicket is deemed bad.

So much for "eliminated themselves". :yk
 
MP2011 said:
Yeah, there can't be a more disgraceful advertisement for test cricket than England not being able to score even 200 in total in this test.
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India can’t either even with their HTB’s, icc will never dare deduct points from bcci probably encouraged this to ensure India make the final.
 
MP2011 said:
Yeah, there can't be a more disgraceful advertisement for test cricket than England not being able to score even 200 in total in this test.
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Or India giving part-timer Joe Root, who averaged 47 with the ball in Test cricket, a 5-fer ?

30 wickets falling by the second session of Day 2 is a poor advert for Test cricket, even accounting for woeful batting techniques.

If India completes this chase under 12.4 overs, it'll be the shortest Test since World War 2.
 
Devadwal said:
India can prepare any pitch which they want .same for every team .if you're good enough to win anywhere then you're best .Indian team never make pitch excuse when we play abroad
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very spirited but don't you feel that the pitch is to blame? Why defend the pitch when it is working against India too?
 
Markhor said:
Or India giving part-timer Joe Root, who averaged 47 with the ball in Test cricket, a 5-fer ?

30 wickets falling by the second session of Day 2 is a poor advert for Test cricket, even accounting for woeful batting techniques.

If India completes this chase under 12.4 overs, it'll be the shortest Test since World War 2.
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An unfancied bowler taking bagful of wickets, is this the first time it is happening?
 
Pakhs said:
They dont deserve India is a better team as they proved. But Indian captain who keeps asking for these pitches does not deserve to going to any show piece final event either. You dont want a captain of number 1 test side to undermine test cricket like this.
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How do you know so many details?
 
OMB said:
How do you know so many details?
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He is very open about it and repeatedly called for such wickets after the 1st test loss. He was making excuses and saying on such flat tracks the ball seam get ruined lol.
 
MP2011 said:
An unfancied bowler taking bagful of wickets, is this the first time it is happening?
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Last time i remember a fifer from batsman for less than 10 runs in a single spell is michael clarke in mumbai. Against a top team
 
MP2011 said:
An unfancied bowler taking bagful of wickets, is this the first time it is happening?
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India are winning the game bro. Understand the pain...

These same ones would have been dancing around distributing mithais if it were India who were struggling to cross 100 in seaming wickets.
 
Pakhs said:
If you are neutral you would be extremely critical of Indian captain and such pitches otherwise you are a blind Indian fan.
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Well said. This could be shortest test match ever between two top sides
 
silentkiller187 said:
And I applauded when they did, but criticising England for not making 200 when India batsmen can’t do the same is a bit much isn’t it.
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Eng's last 5 innings when the ball has been turning,

178
134
164
112
81


You can criticize the pitch and you can criticize the batsmen. Does not have to be exclusive.
 
Buffet said:
Eng's last 5 innings when the ball has been turning,

178
134
164
112
81


You can criticize the pitch and you can criticize the batsmen. Does not have to be exclusive.
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Doesn’t have to be exclusive but can be inclusive, England and India have batted the same way why only criticise one set of batsmen, you have to be objective.
 
well done India....this is a not a bad wicket to bat on.....decimated the hopeless england team...
 
OMB said:
very spirited but don't you feel that the pitch is to blame? Why defend the pitch when it is working against India too?
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It's been poor pitch im not denied but batsman also play very poor .both team score were 72-2 in first inning but after that they batted very very poor .
 
MP2011 said:
An unfancied bowler taking bagful of wickets, is this the first time it is happening?
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It'll be the first time a Test match has finished so quickly in 76 years if India knock this off in the next 10 over.

Ajit Agarkar is on Channel 4 now and said it's not a 2nd Day pitch and is surprised how quickly it's deteriorated. Hope he doesn't get into trouble for his honesty.
 
The ineptness of both countries to play spin. England were not known for their ability to play spin. This new Indian team are equally bad when the ball turns.
 
Mesozoic said:
India are winning the game bro. Understand the pain...

These same ones would have been dancing around distributing mithais if it were India who were struggling to cross 100 in seaming wickets.
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Yeah, like they did after first Chennai test.
 
Poor Gavaskar is being forced to invent terminologies i.e. 'test of skill' vs 'test of courage' when defending this dust laden dabangg. He's constantly rambling about how this is similar to a green/bouncy top. Poor stuff from someone who is a cricketing legend and is clearly aware about what a good test match pitch should look like.
 
Buffet said:
Eng's last 5 innings when the ball has been turning,

178
134
164
112
81


You can criticize the pitch and you can criticize the batsmen. Does not have to be exclusive.
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Why let facts get in the way of a rant?
 
Mesozoic said:
India are winning the game bro. Understand the pain...

These same ones would have been dancing around distributing mithais if it were India who were struggling to cross 100 in seaming wickets.
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Maybe you should stop making presumptions about peoples' motives. I want good quality, competitive Test cricket regardless of who's playing perhaps unlike fans like yourselves who only see things through nationalistic lens.

AUS-IND series was an excellent hard fought series on surfaces that offered everyone a fair chance. India won fair and square.

However any objective observer can see 30 wickets falling by mid Day 2, a part-timer taking a 5-fer and a Test potentially finishing in the shortest time since WW2 is not right even accounting for awful batting techniques.

Let's call a spade a spade please.
 
congratulations India on reaching the WTC final .....most deserving team to get to finals, has been No.1 team for the past two decades....defeating a strong england team in 2 days is no joke.....that too with a 10 wicket margin
 
Junaids said:
There are a range of transgressions which lead to World Test Championship points being deducted. NZ sneaked ahead of Australia into the Final when Australia lost points for a slow over rate.

Currently Australia, England and India are incredibly close in WTC qualification, and India only needed to win one of the two Tests to qualify.

But a Test pitch can’t be worse than this - 385 runs in 4 innings and over in two days is just screaming out for a points deduction for the hosts, whether they win or lose or tie.
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ICC does not deduct WTC points for poor pitch, do not create new ICC rules in your head. Keep calm and accept the fact that India will be playing the Finals.
 
Buffet said:
Eng's last 5 innings when the ball has been turning,

178
134
164
112
81


You can criticize the pitch and you can criticize the batsmen. Does not have to be exclusive.
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This is not just the pitch. I am sure the pink ball on a dry wicket is deadlier than the traditional red cherry. 20 out of the 30 dismissals were either lbw or bowled. None of them struck below the shin bar one full toss against Archer. So there is a common error in judgement from both teams. They all played for the turn most of the time.
 
Don't understand what's all this talk about Pitch when the batsmen are simply terrible against spin bowling. Whoever bats better, wins the contest. All the talk about pitch is probably from people who are unable to digest India's success.
 
The problem is we cannot pick and choose based on how England or any other team performs . 2nd day of 2nd test between England and Sr Lanka had 4.9 odd degrees of turn but SL did not have another spinner to complement Embuldeniya and England scored runs. Went on to turn o er 6 degrees on day 3. Now do you punish only this pitch or that as well? This is where it gets tricky . I think ICC should employ Cricviz or somebody else to do an analysis of exactly when batting averages fall I.e. the amount of seam movement, spin or uneven bounce that causes batting to be extremely difficult - give the extremities a tolerance limit and if any pitch , in hindsight and with ball tracking data, exceeds that, should be punished accordingly. Otherwise this narrative of 2-3 day green pitches at Lords being great for cricket and turners bring bad simply reeks of unfairness.
 
Why was Adelaide pitch not deemed poor by anyone? No team crossed 200 in that test. And we were bowled out for 36!

Oh I forgot, that was our FTBness at play, nothing wrong with that pitch.
 
RainStopsPlay said:
Don't understand what's all this talk about Pitch when the batsmen are simply terrible against spin bowling. Whoever bats better, wins the contest. All the talk about pitch is probably from people who are unable to digest India's success.
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India are a brilliant team.

This pitch is terrible.

You can criticise the pitch without being jealous or envious of India.

Some people just want to see good hard fought test cricket, not a glorified odi which this has become.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The problem is we cannot pick and choose based on how England or any other team performs . 2nd day of 2nd test between England and Sr Lanka had 4.9 odd degrees of turn but SL did not have another spinner to complement Embuldeniya and England scored runs. Went on to turn o er 6 degrees on day 3. Now do you punish only this pitch or that as well? This is where it gets tricky . I think ICC should employ Cricviz or somebody else to do an analysis of exactly when batting averages fall I.e. the amount of seam movement, spin or uneven bounce that causes batting to be extremely difficult - give the extremities a tolerance limit and if any pitch , in hindsight and with ball tracking data, exceeds that, should be punished accordingly. Otherwise this narrative of 2-3 day green pitches at Lords being great for cricket and turners bring bad simply reeks of unfairness.
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Amen to this.

Some standardized analysis needs to be put in place.
 
Would you still blame the pitch if India goes on to win the game without losing a wicket in 2nd innings?
 
India giving away 5 wickets to ROot was a crime. How the heck that happened? Have you guys seen the match where Clarke took 6 for 9? That was way more unplayable than this one.
 
England lost it when they selected 4 fast bowlers and just 1 spinner.

Why didn't they select Bess and another spinner to replace Moeen?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The problem is we cannot pick and choose based on how England or any other team performs . 2nd day of 2nd test between England and Sr Lanka had 4.9 odd degrees of turn but SL did not have another spinner to complement Embuldeniya and England scored runs. Went on to turn o er 6 degrees on day 3. Now do you punish only this pitch or that as well? This is where it gets tricky . I think ICC should employ Cricviz or somebody else to do an analysis of exactly when batting averages fall I.e. the amount of seam movement, spin or uneven bounce that causes batting to be extremely difficult - give the extremities a tolerance limit and if any pitch , in hindsight and with ball tracking data, exceeds that, should be punished accordingly. Otherwise this narrative of 2-3 day green pitches at Lords being great for cricket and turners bring bad simply reeks of unfairness.
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Good shout, otherwise it's just a matter of opinions.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Pitch is a dry pitch. Not very different from 2nd test. Probably pink ball played a role. Definitely not a pitch where you get rolled over for sub-150 total.
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My thoughts exactly.

How can you be sooooo pathetic to get rolled out here?

Most dismissals were just awful awful batting.
 
Surely this is one of the shortest completed Tests in history? All 4 innings played uninterrupted and over before stumps on Day 2.
 
silentkiller187 said:
Doesn’t have to be exclusive but can be inclusive, England and India have batted the same way why only criticise one set of batsmen, you have to be objective.
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Because Indians put close to 300 in the last test in both inning. Eng has been batting like an associate team in all innings as soon as the ball started turning. That's why I am harsher on Eng.
 
90MPH said:
I hope most Indian fans acknowledge this Pitch is a disgrace to Test cricket.

I don’t mind home advantage but is this a contest between bat and ball ?

A game that’s supposed to last 4 or 5 days finishing inside 2 should raise alarm bells.

The ICC should intervene and at least label this wicket unsuitable so it sends a message.
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yes, i do...as an indian this victory is so hollow, the pitch is pathetic....However still kudos to our guys fo the intensity they showed...u cant fault that....but yah-we can produce better wickerts.....like Dharmshala wicket 4th test ind vs aus 2017, that was a real bouncy wicket ....and we won...
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The problem is we cannot pick and choose based on how England or any other team performs . 2nd day of 2nd test between England and Sr Lanka had 4.9 odd degrees of turn but SL did not have another spinner to complement Embuldeniya and England scored runs. Went on to turn o er 6 degrees on day 3. Now do you punish only this pitch or that as well? This is where it gets tricky . I think ICC should employ Cricviz or somebody else to do an analysis of exactly when batting averages fall I.e. the amount of seam movement, spin or uneven bounce that causes batting to be extremely difficult - give the extremities a tolerance limit and if any pitch , in hindsight and with ball tracking data, exceeds that, should be punished accordingly. Otherwise this narrative of 2-3 day green pitches at Lords being great for cricket and turners bring bad simply reeks of unfairness.
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Great post here. Just use some tracking to see how much it is deviating and punish it with the same benchmark. The total score is a lot to do with ineptness and bowlers being good on top of the pitch. The same pitch with different bowlers may look different and it won't suddenly make the pitch good.
 
Rohit bossing around, showing how to play on a spinning wicket.
 
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