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India (587 & 427/6d) defeat England (407 & 271) by 336 runs in 2nd Test at Edgbaston

The Bald Eagle said:
The only way to win this Test, not sure if India can bowl out England in a 3 and half session match... Target must be something beyond 450
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From last few year 3rd innings batting is difficult compared to others.

On such pitch batting 4th become too easy so no score is safe.

Whatever the outcome of the match I really hate These pitches . I want spicy pitch but these bazballer tullebaaz can't play on spicy pitch. So they opt for flat pitches.

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
From last few year 3rd innings batting is difficult compared to others.

On such pitch batting 4th become too easy so no score is safe.

Whatever the outcome of the match I really hate These pitches . I want spicy pitch but these bazballer tullebaaz can't play on spicy pitch. So they opt for flat pitches.

:kp
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Switch over to OZ vs WI. Far better conditions for Test cricket than this one.
 
Some posters running away from this thread as soon as England all out.

A good day for India despite 300+ England partnership.

Lead is 244 and 9 wickets still remaining

:kp
 
Nikhil_cric said:
An already dying format is being driven to the grave at Bazball speed thanks to England their pitches
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Baz must be the biggest con artist to make eng believe in his stupid strategy.its killing the game with ftb devoid of any technique to grind it out on tough eng seeming pitches .Ironically ecb thinks , they are the protectors of test cricket.
 
Irrespective of the result of this series and win this test or not, I have to say I'm very proud of this young Indian team. They've shown both skill and will so far and yes they'll fall short occasionally but it's obvious that we have (with a piece or two to find) a team for the next 5 to 7 years.

That said, this very much has the vibe of THAT series in Australia. Veterans gone for one reason or the other, foreign conditions and folks counting the kids out. I think this match and series is there for the taking.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
That's a different point. But these pitches are terrible for cricket.
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If it works for England it is fair. After all they are home team. It works for them. Other teams have to adapt. If you lose on these pitches then we can't blame the pitches. Earn a boring draw then complain about pitches. Even they will complain about it once we do that.
 
Devadwal said:
Some posters running away from this thread as soon as England all out.

A good day for India despite 300+ England partnership.

Lead is 244 and 9 wickets still remaining

:kp
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Lol, I even stated signing out, I knew agenda based morons like you or @jnaveen1980 would cause problems eventually.

Apprantly the same idiots actually believe the 1000 runs thing or Lara's record wasnt sarcasm.

Let me sleep on peace. I told you I will continue bullying the crap out of your tmr.

Anyway tmr I will sign in and smash the crap out of every one
 
jnaveen1980 said:
If it works for England it is fair. After all they are home team. It works for them. Other teams have to adapt. If you lose on these pitches then we can't blame the pitches. Earn a boring draw then complain about pitches. Even they will complain about it once we do that.
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Wasn't talking about the fairness. All pitches are fair because both teams have to play on the same pitch.

But it's definitely not in the interest of cricket to have such ridiculous pitches.

They need those industrial fans just as much as Multan did.
 
So, India is effectively at 244/1.

I still think this Test should be a draw due to the flat nature of the pitch. There are only 6 sessions left. I back England to survive for 4 sessions.

It may rain also.
 
Red-Indian said:
Irrespective of the result of this series and win this test or not, I have to say I'm very proud of this young Indian team. They've shown both skill and will so far and yes they'll fall short occasionally but it's obvious that we have (with a piece or two to find) a team for the next 5 to 7 years.

That said, this very much has the vibe of THAT series in Australia. Veterans gone for one reason or the other, foreign conditions and folks counting the kids out. I think this match and series is there for the taking.
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Dropped catches cost 1st test . we need to play Kuldeep, Arshdeep and Bumrah is anyway play . Dropped Nitish , Prasidh and Sundar .

Good performance by young team india , GILL will learn the captaincy with time .

:kp
 
India could've been staring at a 2-0 lead if they didn't drop a million catches in the first test.
They've done very well
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Wasn't talking about the fairness. All pitches are fair because both teams have to play on the same pitch.

But it's definitely not in the interest of cricket to have such ridiculous pitches.

They need those industrial fans just as much as Multan did.
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Teams have to start using that strategy against them by batting for 3 days straight. Then they will abandon the idea slowly as their bowlers are already overworked.
 
Vikram1989 said:
Baz must be the biggest con artist to make eng believe in his stupid strategy.its killing the game with ftb devoid of any technique to grind it out on tough eng seeming pitches .Ironically ecb thinks , they are the protectors of test cricket.
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Why just blame the English?

What's stopping you guys from taking on the mantle for test cricket. You got bundled out 3-0 by Kiwis in your home den just recently as your FTBs couldnt play....and your star bowler can't be arsed playing tests.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Teams have to start using that strategy against them by batting for 3 days straight. Then they will abandon the idea slowly as their bowlers are already overworked.
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Yep this is the best strategy. Play normal cricket...let them get tired of bowling.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Wasn't talking about the fairness. All pitches are fair because both teams have to play on the same pitch.

But it's definitely not in the interest of cricket to have such ridiculous pitches.

They need those industrial fans just as much as Multan did.
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England deployed a great strategy in Pakistan. A home team playing on a phatta to sneak a draw was thrown out of the window as they absolutely battered Pakistan.

But it seems like such a ultra defensive strategy to employ at home themselves and being happy to concede 500+ in the first innings because you think you can chase a big score in the 4th is going to quickly become unstuck as it may well do in this match.

India have batted and bowled wonderfully well and deserve to win.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Why just blame the English?

What's stopping you guys from taking on the mantle for test cricket. You got bundled out 3-0 by Kiwis in your home den just recently as your FTBs couldnt play....and your star bowler can't be arsed playing tests.
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That was one defeat in 10 years, before that we lost 4 tests in 10 years. Let alone replicating that let England first win one Ashes at home which they have failed to do in the last two home ashes.

They dropped a test to Sri Lanka, lost a home series against Nz etc.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Why just blame the English?

What's stopping you guys from taking on the mantle for test cricket. You got bundled out 3-0 by Kiwis in your home den just recently as your FTBs couldnt play....and your star bowler can't be arsed playing tests.
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We only lost a series after 12 year ,no team even drawn a series during this period in india and we produced most supportive wickets while some team started preparing Roads still didn't won a single series for almost three year at home.

England didn't win the last two Ashes at home despite played on Highway , they humiliated by India when they toured last time in india.

They likely to humiliate in australia.

England produces Highway because their tullebaaz can't play on spicy pitch and want root to break SRT records but softey can't even score on Highway against inexperienced bowling attack.

And a team played a test on used surface ( first time in test history) to win the series with help of Industrial fan.

But yea they are saving the test cricket .lol

:kp
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
That was one defeat in 10 years, before that we lost 4 tests in 10 years. Let alone replicating that let England first win one Ashes at home which they have failed to do in the last two home ashes.

They dropped a test to Sri Lanka, lost a home series against Nz etc.
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There is a general decline in the quality of test cricket overall. It's unfair to hold England responsible, they have tried something to arrest it's decline for their home audience and it has worked in flashes. To say Bazball is killing the game is a bit of a stretch.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
There is a general decline in the quality of test cricket overall. It's unfair to hold England responsible, they have tried something to arrest it's decline for their home audience and it has worked in flashes. To say Bazball is killing the game is a bit of a stretch.
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Its not killing test cricket because these kind of pitches aren’t normally used even by bazball English side.

The pitches in test series vs Srl were very different, but in order to protect themselves against ATG Bumrah they have resorted to using these ultra flatties which resemble Aussie tracks of 2000.

If they continue to do this against top sides then surely they are doing their part to make this format uninteresting.

Ind vs Eng is probably the third biggest marquee series after Ashes and BGT, it shouldn’t be wasted like this.
 
Apart from winning the series against minnow , bazball tullebaaz haven't win a single series against India or Australia at home or away.

They already exposed in limited over cricket .

:kp
 
DeadlyVenom said:
There is a general decline in the quality of test cricket overall. It's unfair to hold England responsible, they have tried something to arrest it's decline for their home audience and it has worked in flashes. To say Bazball is killing the game is a bit of a stretch.
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I blame IPL and T20.

Cricket has been destroyed as we know it.
 
Wonder if England will consider making Jamie Smith a specialist batter and bring in one of either Jordan Cox or James Rew as the keeper.
He is as equally talented as Brook is as a batsman.
 
The pitches when England toured India were far superior to the pitches on display here so far.

There was constant threat of spin and reverse swing , a bit of uneven bounce and deterioration, seam movement for Akashdeep at Ranchi , swing at Dharamsala etc with some parts of each Test where the surface allowed batsmen to score as well.

You had Stokes trying to bounce India out on very the first morning of this Test because the combination of this Dukes ball and pitch was offering nothing

India similarly had to resort to 7th stump line just to restrict EA Cricket level scoring

Forget about results/strategy/home advantage , it's just ugly cricket where you have to use defensive lines and lengths from Day 1 and with these pitches not deteriorating and actually getting even better.

Nowhere else in the world is it that ugly/boring currently.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The pitches when England toured India were far superior to the pitches on display here so far.

There was constant threat of spin and reverse swing , a bit of uneven bounce and deterioration, seam movement for Akashdeep at Ranchi , swing at Dharamsala etc with some parts of each Test where the surface allowed batsmen to score as well.

You had Stokes trying to bounce India out on very the first morning of this Test because the combination of this Dukes ball and pitch was offering nothing

India similarly had to resort to 7th stump line just to restrict EA Cricket level scoring

Forget about results/strategy/home advantage , it's just ugly cricket where you have to use defensive lines and lengths from Day 1 and with these pitches not deteriorating and actually getting even better.

Nowhere else in the world is it that ugly/boring currently.
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So you love rank turners in India or of aqibball era
 
India have been in the dominant position in Egbaston Test since Day 1 so a draw will more likely hurt them than pohms...so they will be desperate for a win and for that they need to declare atleast before Tea tomorrow. Otherwise, it would be a gamble based on assumption of Eng batters throwing their wicket in lure of big chase.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Its not killing test cricket because these kind of pitches aren’t normally used even by bazball English side.

The pitches in test series vs Srl were very different, but in order to protect themselves against ATG Bumrah they have resorted to using these ultra flatties which resemble Aussie tracks of 2000.

If they continue to do this against top sides then surely they are doing their part to make this format uninteresting.

Ind vs Eng is probably the third biggest marquee series after Ashes and BGT, it shouldn’t be wasted like this.
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Bumrah factor is significant but not the only fsctor...England are relying on being able to outbat the opposition, no matter who the bowlers are and don't really care about their own bowlers, they are just cannon fodder
 
The Bald Eagle said:
India have been in the dominant position in Egbaston Test since Day 1 so a draw will more likely hurt them than pohms...so they will be desperate for a win and for that they need to declare atleast before Tea tomorrow. Otherwise, it would be a gamble based on assumption of Eng batters throwing their wicket in lure of big chase.
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India should aim for 520 as target and declare sometime after Tea. Anything less and Eng will chase it down on this dead pitch.
 
RexRex said:
India should aim for 520 as target and declare sometime after Tea. Anything less and Eng will chase it down on this dead pitch.
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It's quite a big ask to do in two sessions, unless we see 10 pants batting for India... honestly I feel they can reach 450-470 ish just before tea.
 
Devadwal said:
I don't think pitch will change , India need to score 280+ and give 450+ target in 100 overs.

England will definitely go for the target but hopefully rain stay out of the game .
:kp
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Pitches in England rarely stay the same all five days. I don't expect it to change radically but I think it will be much harder to bat in the fourth innings.
 
Only the second time in history that 3 of England’s top 6 batters got out for ducks in a home Test!

First it was Mohammad Amir in 2010… now it’s Mohammed Siraj and Akash Deep who did the damage!
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Pitches in England rarely stay the same all five days. I don't expect it to change radically but I think it will be much harder to bat in the fourth innings.
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This pitch will get easier ik the 4ty innings if u read the preview before the match
 
300 plus Partnership by jammie and Brook . This saved England from a certain loss. Eng have a chance if they bowl out India in 2 sessions tomorrow but given India's string batting, I belive this may head towards a draw
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Why just blame the English?

What's stopping you guys from taking on the mantle for test cricket. You got bundled out 3-0 by Kiwis in your home den just recently as your FTBs couldnt play....and your star bowler can't be arsed playing tests.
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Who are making the test pitches as flat as highways desperately? I know only 2 countries did it. One to protect their ftb and other to increase the average of their minnow basher.india doesn't portray itself to be the saving grace of test cricket unlike eng .Ecb started to give test match appearance fees for the opposition to save the test matches they care .India got whitewashed on turning tracks not on roads. Its premium bowler workload is unnecessary subject .
 
India should bat a little more than two sessions and set England a target of 475+ runs. Give them 110 overs time to chase 475 as this will allow for a good period of bowling with second new ball. So, we need to add 230 runs more today and we can consume 60- 65 overs for that.

Goal :- Definitely look to bat 60-65 overs today and score 225-250. :inti
 
Play another 65-70 overs and score another 250 then give England 500 target in 105-110 overs.

This will give india chance to bowl around 20 over with 2nd new Ball.

This should be strategy for us when we comes to bat for today.

:kp
 
mominsaigol said:
Early predictions for day 2, day 3 and day 4

1) India get bundled out for 400. ❌
2) Gill and Jadeja score 140-150 and 60-70❌
3) India tail gets exposed again❌
4) england lead the charge posting 700❌
5) Brooks, Root and Duckett all score super centuries with a gritty 50 from Jamie smith.❌
6) India will be 4 down end of day 4.
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Updates 😂😂😂 :kp
 
India is in a good position but will need to do a bit of "Bazball" themselves to start day 4.

Get to a 450+ lead and then try to bowl them out in 4 1/2 sessions. It will be tough, but doable with early strikes. On the other hand, the pitch and rain might turn this into a boring draw.
 
Hellion said:
Yeah. Rest of the lineup is not even Zimbabwe level to be honest
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What are you saying?

Zimbabwe is good enough to beat prime Wasim and Waqar’ goat Pakistan team in their backyard.

How can we compare with zimbawe

We would lose to even dhonis old 2011 washed up team right now.

We have no tailunt like the land of phassst bowlers
 
Red-Indian said:
Irrespective of the result of this series and win this test or not, I have to say I'm very proud of this young Indian team. They've shown both skill and will so far and yes they'll fall short occasionally but it's obvious that we have (with a piece or two to find) a team for the next 5 to 7 years.

That said, this very much has the vibe of THAT series in Australia. Veterans gone for one reason or the other, foreign conditions and folks counting the kids out. I think this match and series is there for the taking.
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We threw the first test tbh

England dint win

We dropped catches

But right now we need to break to voodoo spell

Cause baseball have been good chasers on docile ultra patta tracks for a while now

Let’s get a lead of 450 plus put them in to bat and hopefully bowl them out

Bat time and also score at 4 5 an over
 
Devadwal said:
Updates 😂😂😂 :kp
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Like I said, can't detect sarcasm.

Only no 1 i was genuinely wrong about in the same way no one could have predicted what smith and brook would do.
 
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When your predictions ( which is 95% case with him ) are wrong then say that it was sracrsam to save from embarassment. Lol 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣 :kp
 
Devadwal said:
When your predictions ( which is 95% case with him ) are wrong then say that it was sracrsam to save from embarassment. Lol 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣 :kp
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They are predictions. The whole point of a prediction is that it can be wrong.
 
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Devadwal said:
Dropped catches cost 1st test . we need to play Kuldeep, Arshdeep and Bumrah is anyway play . Dropped Nitish , Prasidh and Sundar .

Good performance by young team india , GILL will learn the captaincy with time .

:kp
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Please no dropping Sundar
He did good in batting

He can be 5 th bowler

Kuldeep yes but then we don’t need Jadeja

Have this

7 sundar
8 arshdeep
9kukdeep
10 bumrah
11 akashdeep

Give siraj a rest he has bowled far too much.
 
For lord's test India need to Play

Jaiswal
Kl
Sai / Karun
Gill
Pant
Karun/ Sai / Jurel
Jadeja

Bumrah
Siraj
Akashdeep
Kuldeep
Atleast these Four bowler should play .

:kp
 
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