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India [649/9d] beat West Indies [181 & 196] by an innings and 272 runs in the first Test

Nikhil_cric said:
While your readiness to defend all Hyderabad players is admirable , stats aren't everything . Vihari deserves his chances but it's clear that shubman gill is a couple of levels of above in terms of ability. Thank god you aren't one of the selectors :inti
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Gani is not wrong in saying that Gill is untested, especially in red ball. I have no doubt that Gill's potential is much higher than Vihari's. But that doesn't mean that he is already better than Vihari, today.

On merit, Vihari deserves chances before Gill.
 
the_outsider said:
Gani is not wrong in saying that Gill is untested, especially in red ball. I have no doubt that Gill's potential is much higher than Vihari's. But that doesn't mean that he is already better than Vihari, today.

On merit, Vihari deserves chances before Gill.
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Like I said he deserves his chance for piling on the runs in domestic. But scoring heavily in domestic does not necessarily mean you can cut it in international cricket especially tests. Otherwise Rohit Sharma would've been a regular considering he had an FV average of 60 odd at one point. If anything Nair was treated a bit unfairly.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Like I said he deserves his chance for piling on the runs in domestic. But scoring heavily in domestic does not necessarily mean you can cut it in international cricket especially tests.
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It also doesn't mean that you can't cut it in international cricket. For every Rohit Sharma and Aakash Chopra, there are 50 other Indian batsmen who have gone on to have international careers ranging from "good to Sachin". Vihari deserves a chance to prove himself.


Nikhil_cric said:
If anything Nair was treated a bit unfairly.
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Yes he has. But its a completely different point and has nothing to do with Vihari.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Like I said he deserves his chance for piling on the runs in domestic. But scoring heavily in domestic does not necessarily mean you can cut it in international cricket especially tests. Otherwise Rohit Sharma would've been a regular considering he had an FV average of 60 odd at one point. If anything Nair was treated a bit unfairly.
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Vihari, Mayank and Gill will get their chances once out of form players who can't even score at home against West Indies these days are kicked out of the team.
 
KL Rahul isn't going to get dropped from Australian tour! But I guess he might be passenger in that tour most times. Dhawan may get selected, M.Vijay may get a call back, If Agarwal plays a match and does well (probably in next test?) then he may get some matches! This is going to be Rahul's story! (He was a passenger even in Asia Cup!) I don't know what it helps him and to his team with this passenger business! So even I agree that he may do well if he is dropped and he had to work on his technique, mental strength or whatever! OR he should be given permanent run like Marwan Atapattu regardless of results if he is so special and if India really has that much talent-dearth (it appears so with Dhawan being asked to open in Tests, DK & co playing in LOIs...) he may come good one day! Both team management & himself are equally to be blamed for his current state! Yes team management didn't handle him well, but at the same time he should have pushed himself to take up the challenge & cement his place! One solution I can give is he should forget LOIs completely for a while except IPL (even if it means he is not part of World Cup! I know its a heart break, but guess he may still be part of the squad as a backup keeper/opener!) that can improve his defense for Test-Opening (I am sure about this!)

Once he has absolutely cemented as Test Opener, I think it can give him enormous confidence to handle even LOIs (maybe even as opener in coming days with aging Dhawan/Rohit!) once he understands the right balance between attack & defense, LOI & Tests! He can concentrate on the follow up WC (everyone will be not so lucky as Sachin & Kohli to get multiple world cups! The thing that actually matters is how effective you are in the given chance & what are the results! Sachin & Kohli have had just 1 successful WC so far, Sachin in his last leg & Kohli in his first leg!) So he should have positive hopes about his prospects and plan accordingly (He may even talk to team management about all these matters!)
 
Teams like WI,SRL,Bangladesh,Afganistan,Zimbabwe should be restricted to play tests on home soil
, on each other's soil and in UAE,they are or may be competitive there. But for viewers' sake, not in India,Australia,England,Newzealand and South Africa. When they travel there they are enough to spoil the beauty of test cricket. We are just tired to see these huge margin of innings defeats.
 
Mainul said:
Teams like WI,SRL,Bangladesh,Afganistan,Zimbabwe should be restricted to play tests on home soil
, on each other's soil and in UAE,they are or may be competitive there. But for viewers' sake, not in India,Australia,England,Newzealand and South Africa. When they travel there they are enough to spoil the beauty of test cricket. We are just tired to see these huge margin of innings defeats.
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You do have to play those teams in India,Australia,England,Newzealand and South Africa. Otherwise they will never get chance to play and improve against those teams.
 
This is blatant pitch tampering. When Indians bat, it is a road. When opponent bats, it is a minefield/green mamba/dustbowl. Big 3 cannot keep getting away with this.
 
leatherface58 said:
This is blatant pitch tampering. When Indians bat, it is a road. When opponent bats, it is a minefield/green mamba/dustbowl. Big 3 cannot keep getting away with this.
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Agree with this. Kohli and Co. scores on flat track and Indians bowlers get help of tampered pitches.
 
Harshu814 said:
From what i see , SL and WI are on way of exiting cricket world and its sad and then there bangladesh with hordz of passion but if thier team doesnt win wc or major trophies withing next 10 years im sure theyll be going out as well

Afg and ireland are doing good but its not greater than how some major countries are regressing

Cricket it surely losing here
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Not really,they are just exiting test cricket.They are a relevant force in ODIs and a huge threat in T20s.Focus of cricket in carribean is shifting to T20s.If you see CPL and the crowds you would know love for cricket is not dead at all,just focus has shifted.
Sri lanka are a good team in tests - they defeated pakistan,whitewashed aus and SA at home.In ODIs they are atrocious and need rebuilding.
 
This series is pointless.

India are too strong for this WI side. WI batters need some serious soul searching :facepalm:

Innings' defeats galore :vk
 
Brilliant stuff from Jadeja.His test batting has been very good over the last year and half.Is better than Ashwin in all aspects these days and should start in Aus.What do you say my friend?:D [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

His ODI batting has improved too,though I know people blame him for knock against Afghanistan,he actually took us from lost position to tie position.Hes good for no.8 only though

And that swag in the run out was awesome :narine

About time we have Sir emoji :))
 
Tyler Durden said:
I have been a huge admirer of Rahul-the-batsman but his time is running out.
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I agree. I also think Rahul will return to IPL and again turn in a top performance, thus putting pressure on the selectors to select him again.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He should be dropped from the test team only.
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His performance in Tests is extremely frustrating. He scored a century in the last Test in England, giving an indication that he is able to play in English conditions. However, he was a dud in the earlier Tests when India really needed a contribution from him.
 
RAJKOT, India – The WINDIES bowlers had another laborious day in the field of the second day of the first Test match versus India in the Paytm India vs West Indies, Test Series in Rajkot.

India closed day one on 364/4 with Captain Virat Kohli on 72 not out and Rishabh Pant on 17 not out. The pair continued this morning where they left off. Kohli in particular took a liking to Shannon Gabriel’s pace, dispatching the WINDIES- quick for a handful of boundaries. Not to be outdone, Pant got on the attack to Devendra Bishoo and Roston Chase.

Kohli eventually brought up his century as he shared in a 133-run partnership with Pant. Wicketkeeper Pant smashed 4 sixes and 8 fours as he raced towards a century which would have been the fourth of the Indian innings. But Bishoo had other plans, as Pant was caught by Keemo Paul for an agonising 8-run short of what would’ve been a brilliant hundred.

Ravendra Jadeja joined Kohli and they posted a 64-run partnership before Shermon Lewis returned for the scalp of Kohli. Jadeja pushed on and was rewarded with his first Test century. As the last pair in the wicket, Jadeja and Mohammad Shami picked up the singles. But Kohli had enough and waved his team in, declaring on 649/9. Bishoo was the best WINDIES bowler, taking 4/217 followed by Shermon Lewis with 2/93.

The WINDIES never got the solid foundation they needed as Shami uprooted Kraigg Brathwaite’s off-stump with the score on 2. It was a continuous slide after that, as wickets kept falling at crucial moments.

The top order did not withstand the Indian bowling attack, as Shami accounted for both openers and then a horrendous mix-up saw Shimron Hetmyer run-out just when he looked to be settling. At the close of play the WINDIES were 94/6, still some 555 runs behind India’s first innings total of 649/9.

Speaking to CWI Media after, WINDIES Head Coach Stuart Lew said, “We still have plenty to play for in this Test match. It’s now time for a couple of the top six batsmen to stick their hands up in the second innings and show some fight.”
 
El Generico said:
Honestly didn't think WI would be this bad, i expected them to put up a decent fight
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don't be cocky yet. This WI team sucker punched a few good teams before. They will be much more competitive in the 2nd test I'm sure.
 
rhony said:
don't be cocky yet. This WI team sucker punched a few good teams before. They will be much more competitive in the 2nd test I'm sure.
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I am Pakistani, why would I be cocky lol? Yeah I also hope that they bounce back in the second test.
 
El Generico said:
Honestly didn't think WI would be this bad, i expected them to put up a decent fight
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They have had no time to acclimatise. Came to India just a week back. Any touring team with such poor preparation gets streamrolled anywhere in the world.
 
on day # 3

32 for 1 WI -2nd Innings.
Ashwin removed WI captain(10) caught Shaw.


India 649/9 dec.
WI 181(paul 47,Chase 53, Ash 4 for 37)

New batsman Hope.
 
With all the TALENT, if you do not have the right combination of players - like Kohli GENIUS captain did - you are bound to lose badly. I think WI team do not have some players over compensation/injury issues. No shame in losing to India, which is far superior. India should think of giving more exposure to Kuldeep and other bowlers like Umesh who have had lesser match practice of late.
 
And should think of Australia where Jadeja would be more useful and Ashwin should nowhere be allowed near the dressing room also, after what happened in Eng - a complete failure overseas.
 
Match might wrap up today West Indies 5 down already.
 
WI batsmen appear to be like an uncle who has come with lots of presents for all the kids.
Presents in the context - wickets
Kids - Indian bowlers
 
Saurav said:
Brilliant stuff from Jadeja.His test batting has been very good over the last year and half.Is better than Ashwin in all aspects these days and should start in Aus.What do you say my friend?:D [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION]

His ODI batting has improved too,though I know people blame him for knock against Afghanistan,he actually took us from lost position to tie position.Hes good for no.8 only though

And that swag in the run out was awesome :narine

About time we have Sir emoji :))
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Jaddu deserves it.

As i always say, i wud go with 2 spinners.
 
Players like ashwin should be thrown out of the team.
Totally waste outside india. Zero fifer,ashwin should be ashamed of his terrible record.
Bucketloads of fifer in asia 0 outside.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Players like ashwin should be thrown out of the team.
Totally waste outside india. Zero fifer,ashwin should be ashamed of his terrible record.
Bucketloads of fifer in asia 0 outside.
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You are right all those players who don't perform outside India should be dropped from the home series as well. Let's start from the top and drop KL Rahul first. :inti
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Players like ashwin should be thrown out of the team.
Totally waste outside india. Zero fifer,ashwin should be ashamed of his terrible record.
Bucketloads of fifer in asia 0 outside.
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2 in West Indies
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You are right all those players who don't perform outside India should be dropped from the home series as well. Let's start from the top and drop KL Rahul first. :inti
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Bangalorean said:
Why not Rahane as well ?
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RyanRyan10 said:
Why not both :ashwin
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Yes let's drop all the players who haven't performed overseas.

KL out, Rahane out, Pujara out, Ashwin out, Vijay out, Shami out, Kuldeep out, Pant out, Saha out.

Shaw hasn't played overseas so he's out too. Mayank also out because he's never played outside.

Let's just go with Kohli, Ishant and Bumrah. Thr only people who have performed every match overseas. Three players will be enough to whitewash Australia, SA, England abroad. Why bother fielding all 11 players?

:afridi :inti
 
The same West Indies will go and thrash the other sub continent teams. Just wait for their Bangladesh tour to begin.

So give credit to the Indian team. This team has some all time great Indian cricketers.
 
WI should have batted little sensibly. At least tire out the bowlers for next test.
 
West Indies is not that bad, won a test in UAE (MisYou team) and England recently. Just that this Indian team is one of the mightiest test outfits ever assembled in SC conditions. Look what Kohli and co did in Sri Lanka compared to other teams. I think even a World XI will get humiliated by a fit and firing Indian team anywhere in Asia. I am a huge fan of the Indian team of the late 2000s but I don't see how they can compete with the current XI we have.
 
Since the 2013 Aussie series this is India's record at home:

W 22
L 1 (against Australia in Pune 2017)

Very few draws, that too mostly rain affected. Feel sorry for West Indies, simply a class above and ruthless this Indian team in home conditions.

We play too few tests at home, can't believe we don't have a dedicated home season for tests like England, Australia and South Africa. After this short WI series we will have to wait till October 2019 for a home test.
 
bujhee kom said:
At home India are a mighty force. Lambs away mind you. :)))
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India are lambs mainly in England because our batsmen are weak against conventional swing. In fact we might be the easiest match up for England in those conditions.

In rest of Asia and WI India does well. I expect us to compete better in SA/Aus, maybe even NZ but we hardly tour there.
 
Swashbuckler said:
India are lambs mainly in England because our batsmen are weak against conventional swing. In fact we might be the easiest match up for England in those conditions.

In rest of Asia and WI India does well. I expect us to compete better in SA/Aus, maybe even NZ but we hardly tour there.
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I think future line up will be better. There were lot of pass by sell date players. Not like England was any good against swing. But for England's lower order scoreline would have been completely different.
 
RAJKOT, India – The WINDIES suffered one of their heaviest defeats ever when they lost the first Test of the Paytm India vs West Indies, Test Series in Rajkot, by an innings and 272 runs.

Starting day three on 94/6 and some 555 runs adrift of India’s first innings total of 649/9 declared, Roston Chase and Keemo Paul looked settled and ready to give the WINDIES a glimmer of hope of stretching the match.

Paul was the aggressor of the pair, ad he played fearless shots and charges to the Indian bowlers. He attacked Ashwin, Yadav and company when they came at him. The pacers also felt the brunt from his bat. Chase chose to take the more docile route, picking up singles and despatching the bad balls from India’s premier bowlers.

But just when his first Test half-century was in sight, he slashed at one and was caught for 47. Chase then soldiered on, since he was the last real batsman in the WINDIES line-up. Devendra Bishoo joined Chase and the pair continued the quiet build to a reasonable score with the current 7th wicket down.

Chase brought up his half-century but fell soon after for 53 when he was bowled by Ashwin. The rest of the batting line-up folded soon after, Bishoo the only other to get double figures. He remained not out on 17.

India enforced the follow-on and the WINDIES started their second innings with a more attacking style and confident defence. It showed when Kieran Powell struck a couple boundaries and a six within the first four overs. Brathwaite looked more settle than the first innings, but he did not last too long at the crease, Ashwin had him caught by Prithvi for 10. The WINDIES 32/1.

Powell continued, and it seemed he had found a patient partner in Shai Hope but Kuldeep Yadav trapped Hope lbw for 17 to start his wickets tally. Shimron Hetmyer looked dangerous and focused to make amends for the runout in the first innings. He struck a magnificent six but going for another big heave, got an outside edge to short leg and was caught for 11.

Sunil Ambris danced down the wicket facing his third delivery and was quickly stumped off another Kuldeep Yadav delivery. Despite the wickets falling around him, Powell soldiered, bringing up his half-century in just 92 deliveries. After he became Kuldeep Yadav’s third wicket. The only other batman to deal with the dead-end pressure, was Roston Chase, he made 20 in what would have been a “less than ideal” overnight and then this morning.

The WINDIES all out for 196/10. Kieran Powell and Roston Chase were the best batsmen for the WINDIES, with scores of 83nd 20 in the second innings. While the WINDIES’ started strong in the second innings, the batsmen could not defend as frequently as they should have.

Stand-in Captain Kraigg Brathwaite admitted “It’s not start we would like. We did not have the big partnerships as we would have liked, and I believe that’s what costed us the match. I told the guys to trust their abilities and defend their wicket, it wasn’t easy, and it was our downfall.”
 
Swashbuckler said:
West Indies is not that bad, won a test in UAE (MisYou team) and England recently. Just that this Indian team is one of the mightiest test outfits ever assembled in SC conditions. Look what Kohli and co did in Sri Lanka compared to other teams. I think even a World XI will get humiliated by a fit and firing Indian team anywhere in Asia. I am a huge fan of the Indian team of the late 2000s but I don't see how they can compete with the current XI we have.
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Difference is the bowlers. India has far more ruthless bowlers at home now. Ashwin and Jadeja are phenomenal in Asian conditions, and the pacers take wickets whenever they are tired. So rarely gets under pressure in a session.
 
Rahane should be dropped now. He cant score anywhere now. Averaged 26 in England over 5 tests. Very soft cricketer as well.

Pujara should be persisted. He is also not good outside Asia but you cant drop whole team and he had a decent outing in England this time. So, persist with him. Rahul should be given one more chance and he should be paired with an young opener.

Dhawan has been given a lot of chances already and same for Sharma. Also, get in someone in place of Rahane.

My XI for Australia, first test would be:-

Shaw
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
______(time to try Gill)
Pant(wkt)
Jadeja
Kuldeep/Ashwin
Shami
Ishant
Bumrah
 
Kohli, Ashwin and Shami should rest
Rahane should be dropped

Pujara as the captain for 2nd test.

Shaw, Rahul, Pujara (c), Mayank, Nair, Vihari, Pant (wk), Jadeja, Kuldeep, Siraj, Umesh
 
Ab Fan said:
Rahane should be dropped now. He cant score anywhere now. Averaged 26 in England over 5 tests. Very soft cricketer as well.

Pujara should be persisted. He is also not good outside Asia but you cant drop whole team and he had a decent outing in England this time. So, persist with him. Rahul should be given one more chance and he should be paired with an young opener.

Dhawan has been given a lot of chances already and same for Sharma. Also, get in someone in place of Rahane.

My XI for Australia, first test would be:-

Shaw
Rahul
Pujara
Kohli
______(time to try Gill)
Pant(wkt)
Jadeja
Kuldeep/Ashwin
Shami
Ishant
Bumrah
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Why Gill when Vihari and Nair are already there sitting on the bench?

Plus, Gill is not ready for test cricket. He hasn't even played 1 whole Ranji season.
 
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