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India v England | 2nd Test | Visakhapatnam | Nov 17-21, 2016 | Day 4

DRS still doesn't rid you of umpiring bias, and this is a good example. "Upmire's call" is BS.
 
Mike and Ian Botham (I believe) are arguing with later saying Umpires Call should not take away a review since its a good review. Mike saying its there to prevent howlers so it should stay as is.

I think Botham option is better, 2 reviews can't loose them on umpires call. Umpires call is when the DRS isnt 100% sure. So why should they loose a review?
 
Gone said:
Mike and Ian Botham (I believe) are arguing with later saying Umpires Call should not take away a review since its a good review. Mike saying its there to prevent howlers so it should stay as is.

I think Botham option is better, 2 reviews can't loose them on umpires call. Umpires call is when the DRS isnt 100% sure. So why should they loose a review?
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I agree with them.

Also, 2 reviews are too little for 80 overs.
 
I expect BCCI protesting again against DRS. Till the time umpire's call us not removed... :))
 
Varun said:
I agree with them.

Also, 2 reviews are too little for 80 overs.
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The other thing i was thinking about is. Impact Umpire's Call. How do you know the umpire what umpires decision was on Impact?

For example: Umpire could have thought, Pitching outside leg, Impact Online, Hitting Stumps. In that case umpires call for Impact is Online isn't it?

I think wouldn't it be better if umpire said before the review, He thinks "Pitching outside leg, impact online and hitting stumps" and umpires call would be whatever the umpire thought for that particular part.


Not talking about these 2 reviews because im sure the umpire made his judgement for Impact being outside line and the last one being not hitting stumps.

BUt im sure there will be scenerios like above
 
Well played, should be proud for a 19 year old has had a good start to his career.
 
I doubt root going for the blockathon........He is normally a very busy player on the pitch
 
Injure Ashwin and India might well end up losing few games at home.
 
Yes. Loved it. Root, Ali, Bairstow and Stokes are the tough nuts to crack tomorrow.

8 wickets or 315 runs on day 5 :)
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Yes. Loved it. Root, Ali, Bairstow and Stokes are the tough nuts to crack tomorrow.

8 wickets or 315 runs on day 5 :)
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Cook was a wall on the one end especially after he has played so many deliveries. Now I'm afraid the gates are open. Moeen,Stokes they all like to play the shots and go after the bowling. I don't see a draw. Either England win or India wins.
 
Will win it tomorrow. .remaining poms doesn't have the patience to block for 90 overs and chasing @3.5 per over for whole day on this pitch is ruled out
 
Good end to the day's play, but those last 4 deliveries should have gone through.
Cook and Hameed did very well with their efforts.

Draw not in the offing it seems.


And yes.. to hell with the umpire's call.. and even more so to losing a review due to that!
 
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Stark said:
Good end to the day's play, but those last 4 deliveries should have gone through.
Cook and Hameed did very well with their efforts.

Draw not in the offing it seems.


And yes.. to hell with the umpire's call.. and even more so to losing a review due to that!
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A draw seems out of the question with Cook gone.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
The draw goes with Cook. I'd like to ask you in good faith forgetting Rahul for the moment, what happened to Rahane? He looks out of sorts against spin.
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Dude....don't worry man. Ask me about Rahul too. I am always open for a good genuine discussion.

Yes, he has played badly and there are no excuses for his poor performances here. He can play good bowling (dunno about his ability against quality spin though) but either is too nervous (not in this series) or too reckless. Will take a while to get into his zone. Watching him gives me hope compared to some of the other openers. If he fails big time, he will be sent to domestic cricket and Mukund drafted in. Dhawan is just too shaky against quality bowling.

Rahane was always like that against spin. Sad part is that these aren't some great spin tracks either. A bit out of form and obviously he has a weakness against spin. I have been talking about that for like 2 years now.

Just have to hope he gets better.
 
Because the RR was low two wickets look good at end of the day,still a huge task.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
The draw goes with Cook. I'd like to ask you in good faith forgetting Rahul for the moment, what happened to Rahane? He looks out of sorts against spin.
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Dont count it too soon.i think england will save the match if root stays.kohli has this propensity to panic which i banking on.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Dude....don't worry man. Ask me about Rahul too. I am always open for a good genuine discussion.

Yes, he has played badly and there are no excuses for his poor performances here. He can play good bowling (dunno about his ability against quality spin though) but either is too nervous (not in this series) or too reckless. Will take a while to get into his zone. Watching him gives me hope compared to some of the other openers. If he fails big time, he will be sent to domestic cricket and Mukund drafted in. Dhawan is just too shaky against quality bowling.

Rahane was always like that against spin. Sad part is that these aren't some great spin tracks either. A bit out of form and obviously he has a weakness against spin. I have been talking about that for like 2 years now.

Just have to hope he gets better.
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In related news, Dhawan is fit again. Not sure the selectors are going to overlook Dhawan in favour of Mukund( whoever he is).
 
JaDed said:
Because the RR was low two wickets look good at end of the day,still a huge task.
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The opposite can be said too. If they had showed intent, they may have lost an extra wicket or two.

You never know.

But yeah 87/2 looks way better than 167/2.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
The opposite can be said too. If they had showed intent, they may have lost an extra wicket or two.

You never know.

But yeah 87/2 looks way better than 167/2.
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True also its still a huge task for India to get them all out considering pitch isn't doing but glad Cook is out.
 
JaDed said:
True also its still a huge task for India to get them all out considering pitch isn't doing but glad Cook is out.
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Its a tricky phase with the new ball wasn't doing much for spinners and our pacers didn't pull their weight today.

Older ball started doing a bit but day got over.

There is rough which Jaddu can use against all English lefties.

I think India will work hard but get the win eventually.

I don't see this track losing all its life tomorrow.

But yeah...I would trade this uneven bounce (for certain deliveries) for proper turn anyday.
 
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I don't see England lasting the whole day against Ashwin and Jadeja.

It will take some batting to keep it out and salvage a draw for them.
 
8 wickets can fall in a session even if the morning is negotiated with no loss, will be tough to save the test now for England but they've fought admirably
 
If Root sticks around until lunch, and then at worst we have Stokes and Bairstow batting at tea, I think it's doable. India massive favourites though, particularly after sneaking out Cook right at the end (who played superbly yet again).

We may miss Woakes in this rearguard though. He is a good batsman. I think he will replace Ansari in the 3rd Test - Rashid, Moeen, and the very occasional support from Root seems like enough spin in these conditions for us: we have always produced much better seamers than spinners, so we should play to that strength.

So yes I'm slightly hopeful of a draw, but it's a huge ask particularly after being so badly outplayed for the first 3 days.
 
Am I the only one who thinks this is going to be a draw?

Indian bowling cannot get England out in 1 day. We let a newbie stick around for 144 deliveries.

The pitch is still flat and the turn is very slow. Ample time to adjust. The only way batsmen get out is if the ball keeps very low all of a sudden or batsmen play aggressive and tries to hit it in the air like how Indian batsmen did.
 
troodon said:
Am I the only one who thinks this is going to be a draw?

Indian bowling cannot get England out in 1 day. We let a newbie stick around for 144 deliveries.

The pitch is still flat and the turn is very slow. Ample time to adjust. The only way batsmen get out is if the ball keeps very low all of a sudden or batsmen play aggressive and tries to hit it in the air like how Indian batsmen did.
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Cos conditions never remain the same.

SA did a blockathon in Delhi and ended day 4 with 2 wickets.

If pitch dies or conditions don't change at all, then a superhuman effort by Eng would save the test.
 
If you simply bat out time wihtout scoring then it's doable because pitch is hardly turning even now.
 
Buffet said:
If you simply bat out time wihtout scoring then it's doable because pitch is hardly turning even now.
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Indian fast bowlers need to exploit the conditions. As we saw when Broad was bowling, the variable bounce will lead to a lot of unplayable balls if you put it in the right area.
 
Sin Nombre said:
Indian fast bowlers need to exploit the conditions. As we saw when Broad was bowling, the variable bounce will lead to a lot of unplayable balls if you put it in the right area.
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Yah, they need to simply keep bowling off stump, 4th stup line without giving lose balls. If you bowl that then wickets will come sooner or later.
 
James said:
If Root sticks around until lunch, and then at worst we have Stokes and Bairstow batting at tea, I think it's doable. India massive favourites though, particularly after sneaking out Cook right at the end (who played superbly yet again).

We may miss Woakes in this rearguard though. He is a good batsman. I think he will replace Ansari in the 3rd Test - Rashid, Moeen, and the very occasional support from Root seems like enough spin in these conditions for us: we have always produced much better seamers than spinners, so we should play to that strength.

So yes I'm slightly hopeful of a draw, but it's a huge ask particularly after being so badly outplayed for the first 3 days.
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I am really impressed with this Eng team, They screwed up in first innings and even if they lose this test, I think they can still win the series....

They should drop Duckett and Ansari though....
 
leg-side-flick said:
I am really impressed with this Eng team, They screwed up in first innings and even if they lose this test, I think they can still win the series....

They should drop Duckett and Ansari though....
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Agreed about England.

Buttler for Ansari is a no brainer imo.

England needs to be tested on rank turners like Nagpur or Dhaka though.
 
Sin Nombre said:
Their performance at Dhaka suggest otherwise.
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I did not watch that but Rashid probably has been the best spinner in these two tests..... and rank turner will help Ali.....

Eng bat deeper than India and hence might be better off relatively on a rank turner, especially if they win the toss
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Cos conditions never remain the same.

SA did a blockathon in Delhi and ended day 4 with 2 wickets.

If pitch dies or conditions don't change at all, then a superhuman effort by Eng would save the test.
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First session will be easier to bat due to heavy roller. Pitch should do some tricks in the next two sessions.
 
leg-side-flick said:
I did not watch that but Rashid probably has been the best spinner in these two tests..... and rank turner will help Ali.....

Eng bat deeper than India and hence might be better off relatively on a rank turner, especially if they win the toss
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Get Bhuvi instead of Umesh and the two teams bat equally deep. Pujara and Kohli can both score well on a rank turner which will then be the difference.
 
Buffet said:
First session will be easier to bat due to heavy roller. Pitch should do some tricks in the next two sessions.
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Broad was unplayable in the first session yesterday. Shami and Umesh can do the same with some discipline.
 
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