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Ireland vs Pakistan | Only Test | Dublin | May 11-15, 2018 | Day 2 | Match Thread

I hope they are not taking it as a practice match... If they cant play these bowlers what will they do against England
 
hur rizvi said:
If anyone from these 3 has to be dropped that should be Amir
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Hasan is the last person who should have been dropped. Wouldn't have minded either one of Amir or Rahat. Amir will be economical but won't take wickets due to no pitching the ball up. Rahat will be erratic, but will get some wickets off a few "magic" deliveries.
 
Missed a trick here by not playing Usman.
He has grown up playing on such kind of pitches and was the lone warrior for Lahore for quite some time.

I dont get the obsession with his low SR in domestic. Just watch the guy bat and where he has scored. Very good on off stump.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Missed a trick here by not playing Usman.
He has grown up playing on such kind of pitches and was the lone warrior for Lahore for quite some time.

I dont get the obsession with his low SR in domestic. Just watch the guy bat and where he has scored. Very good on off stump.
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Pak will regret not playing Saad or Usman at 6. Would have been very handy runs on this track.
 
hussain.r97 said:
Hasan is the last person who should have been dropped. Wouldn't have minded either one of Amir or Rahat. Amir will be economical but won't take wickets due to no pitching the ball up. Rahat will be erratic, but will get some wickets off a few "magic" deliveries.
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I don’t know rahat might end up taking most wickets on this tour but that guy should no way near squad let alone playing XI

Dare I say I would take wahab ahead of him in tests
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Pak will regret not playing Saad or Usman at 6. Would have been very handy runs on this track.
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We should have gone with six specialist batsmen given how frail our batting is.

When your five batsmen consist of one 33 year old opener who's out of form, a debutant, someone with little Test match experience, an inconsistent Asad Shafiq and a player unproven in Tests in Babar Azam then you need all the help you can get.

Mickey likes his all rounders though.
 
Azhar is really struggling. It's expected for a player of 33 + whatever, but the decline is too sharp for comfort. At this rate [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] concern could be reality.

And that scoring :(
 
MMHS said:
Azhar is really struggling. It's expected for a player of 33 + whatever, but the decline is too sharp for comfort. At this rate [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] concern could be reality.

And that scoring :(
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Let’s wait a few matches before reaching this conclusion. He can drop down if his lack of form persists
 
This is where Pakistan will get away from us.

Kane, talented but raw.

Thompson, even domestically expensive
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Bas yehi kh dia karo jab jawab na ho.. So there are no batsmen in Pak who can play swing/seam?

We are talking about real players here who can cater movement and Usman is right up there.
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Sadly there aren’t and I don’t believe Saad and Usman deserve to be in the XI straight away.

I agree with structure of this XI which means Saad/Usman only come in when Babar fails in this match and probably next match too
 
Markhor said:
We should have gone with six specialist batsmen given how frail our batting is.

When your five batsmen consist of one 33 year old opener who's out of form, a debutant, someone with little Test match experience, an inconsistent Asad Shafiq and a player unproven in Tests in Babar Azam then you need all the help you can get.

Mickey likes his all rounders though.
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I understand what Mickey is trying to build but it's too early for both Shadab and Faheem. They need time to establish as pure bats and we do not have that playing in the UK against pretty good opponents.
 
Markhor said:
We should have gone with six specialist batsmen given how frail our batting is.

When your five batsmen consist of one 33 year old opener who's out of form, a debutant, someone with little Test match experience, an inconsistent Asad Shafiq and a player unproven in Tests in Babar Azam then you need all the help you can get.

Mickey likes his all rounders though.
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By the same token one of shadab or faheem at 8 could get vital runs which another bowler would not get. I think I prefer this combo if it's gonna be a low scoring game
 
hur rizvi said:
Sadly there aren’t and I don’t believe Saad and Usman deserve to be in the XI straight away.

I agree with structure of this XI which means Saad/Usman only come in when Babar fails in this match and probably next match too
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Babar will do well because there is no spinner.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
I understand what Mickey is trying to build but it's too early for both Shadab and Faheem. They need time to establish as pure bats and we do not have that playing in the UK against pretty good opponents.
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I agree with this combination in absence of yasir

I don’t trust Shadab as a good enough test bowler yet and thus we need extra bowler
 
hur rizvi said:
Let’s wait a few matches before reaching this conclusion. He can drop down if his lack of form persists
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If he drops down, PAK'll drop down at a faster rate - only utility of batsman with literally ZERO shot making ability is to open and bat till tea, may be for a 50.

Say at 3 - he comes at 20/1 and he'll take PAK to lunch at 55/1 max; Jimmy & his partner will have a 40 minutes lunch break and, PAK might go to 1st drinks after lunch at 73/4.

If Azhar can't ensure an average of 100 balls per innings as opener, he has no utility in any for of the game. People talk about Hanif being slow, but that guy probably holds a record that no one ever'll break - his average partner per innings was close to 5, which means at average he had seen 4/5 batsmen getting out from other end. Take out the single digit scores, basically he carried the batting for a struggling team till the tail comes.
 
hur rizvi said:
I agree with this combination in absence of yasir

I don’t trust Shadab as a good enough test bowler yet and thus we need extra bowler
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If it's a low scoring game then Faheem will not bowl much anyway and then that extra bat would have been handy.

But yea if Faheem can score 40+ then he will have at the least achieved that for us.
 
MMHS said:
If he drops down, PAK'll drop down at a faster rate - only utility of batsman with literally ZERO shot making ability is to open and bat till tea, may be for a 50.

Say at 3 - he comes at 20/1 and he'll take PAK to lunch at 55/1 max; Jimmy & his partner will have a 40 minutes lunch break and, PAK might go to 1st drinks after lunch at 73/4.

If Azhar can't ensure an average of 100 balls per innings as opener, he has no utility in any for of the game. People talk about Hanif being slow, but that guy probably holds a record that no one ever'll break - his average partner per innings was close to 5, which means at average he had seen 4/5 batsmen getting out from other end. Take out the single digit scores, basically he carried the batting for a struggling team till the tail comes.
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FZ isn’t looking like such a bad option at this point is he :)
 
MMHS said:
If he drops down, PAK'll drop down at a faster rate - only utility of batsman with literally ZERO shot making ability is to open and bat till tea, may be for a 50.

Say at 3 - he comes at 20/1 and he'll take PAK to lunch at 55/1 max; Jimmy & his partner will have a 40 minutes lunch break and, PAK might go to 1st drinks after lunch at 73/4.

If Azhar can't ensure an average of 100 balls per innings as opener, he has no utility in any for of the game. People talk about Hanif being slow, but that guy probably holds a record that no one ever'll break - his average partner per innings was close to 5, which means at average he had seen 4/5 batsmen getting out from other end. Take out the single digit scores, basically he carried the batting for a struggling team till the tail comes.
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Ideally I agree his best utility as an opener and even if he fails he should keep opening till SOuth Africa series.

The thing though is that Pakistan aren’t spoilt for choices and Azhar can be afforded a chance to drop down and regain his form for a few games after SA series probably

And I believe he still would come good in a few games opening
 
hur rizvi said:
Sadly there aren’t and I don’t believe Saad and Usman deserve to be in the XI straight away.

I agree with structure of this XI which means Saad/Usman only come in when Babar fails in this match and probably next match too
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Not talking about combination, rather than Usman's strengths.
Usman Salahuddin is with the team since WI series under Mickey and the guy is still sitting on sidelines. If he isnt good why are they selecting him?

You see Haris and Shafiq bat and you clearly see a big difference in their game against fast bowling. Shafiq is shaky already 2 boundaries on edges which could have been caught while Harry is calm, relax, leaving the ball well, catering movement beautifully and scoring at a decent rate too.

Even though Usman is not at same level like Harry but still much better than likes of Shafiq when it specifically comes to playing fast bowling.
 
hur rizvi said:
I agree with this combination in absence of yasir

I don’t trust Shadab as a good enough test bowler yet and thus we need extra bowler
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That's true as well but then we could've chosen a specialist spinner instead of Shadab who could hold up an end. But its a tough situation as Mickey doesn't want too many debutants.
 
babajee said:
FZ isn’t looking like such a bad option at this point is he :)
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Not as opener.

You see Haris at 3 - he had a tendency of playing away from body, but here I see him for an hour almost & he is playing close to body and doing well, because his core is good, and he has vertical bat shots. Fakhar's instinct is to flash and if he tries to fix that, might end-up losing his LO game.
 
MMHS said:
Azhar is really struggling. It's expected for a player of 33 + whatever, but the decline is too sharp for comfort. At this rate [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] concern could be reality.

And that scoring :(
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We play for less too test cricket as well. Not sure what Azhar will do.

Whats a good score here?

250 - 300 runs?
 
Markhor said:
That's true as well but then we could've chosen a specialist spinner instead of Shadab who could hold up an end. But its a tough situation as Mickey doesn't want too many debutants.
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There is only Zafar gohar whom I see as best test spinner in Pakistan after Yasir but he was returning from injury and inexperienced so going with Shadab was probably the safer bet
 
Make them stay in the field for 40 overs and don't lose another wicket. Inexperience will then creep in probably......
 
hur rizvi said:
Ideally I agree his best utility as an opener and even if he fails he should keep opening till SOuth Africa series.

The thing though is that Pakistan aren’t spoilt for choices and Azhar can be afforded a chance to drop down and regain his form for a few games after SA series probably

And I believe he still would come good in a few games opening
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He is not going to play ODI/T20, neither Asad, Sami, Imam, Usman, Saad - take them to SAF a month earlier with PAK A team, during NZ ODI series and play 4/5 FC games against decent FC players. That's the only solution - otherwise Test matches might not reach 4th days, if SAF plays Styen, Vernon, Rabada & Ngidi on their typical wickets ...........
 
Big credit goes to Sarfraz here who brought Haris straight into the odi side and test side even though he didn't play a single first class match in 3 years. Sarfraz on tv said we are missing a batsman like Haris Sohal.

Well done Sarfi baqi clueless lot sai to koi umeed nahi talent identification ki.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Not talking about combination, rather than Usman's strengths.
Usman Salahuddin is with the team since WI series under Mickey and the guy is still sitting on sidelines. If he isnt good why are they selecting him?

You see Haris and Shafiq bat and you clearly see a big difference in their game against fast bowling. Shafiq is shaky already 2 boundaries on edges which could have been caught while Harry is calm, relax, leaving the ball well, catering movement beautifully and scoring at a decent rate too.

Even though Usman is not at same level like Harry but still much better than likes of Shafiq when it specifically comes to playing fast bowling.
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Shafiq has been a decent enough test cricketer with 11 hundreds and I don’t believe we can drop him as of yet specially after losing misbah and younus
 
pakistani pride said:
We play for less too test cricket as well. Not sure what Azhar will do.

Whats a good score here?

250 - 300 runs?
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It's Ireland, so I have no idea. In fact, I hardly know any of their FC record. But, more than runs (IRL is not going to take 20 wickets in 4 days game), I am really upset with the scoring rate. It's a 375 overs game now, max without rain and PAK'll need 170 overs to get 20 wickets - at 2.9 that's around 500 what IRL can post at MAX. So, PAK'll need to score 550+ in 180 overs - at this rate 550 will take 225 overs!!!

:) I think, after lunch things'll be much easier, Irish don't have the old ball bowlers and I don't see Dockrell in XI!!!!! A SLAO spinner is must against PAK team, on any surface.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Big credit goes to Sarfraz here who brought Haris straight into the odi side and test side even though he didn't play a single first class match in 3 years. Sarfraz on tv said we are missing a batsman like Haris Sohal.

Well done Sarfi baqi clueless lot sai to koi umeed nahi talent identification ki.
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Credit also goes to the coaches for quickly identifying he should bat at 3. He debuted at 6 but his game and ability against pace means he's better suited in the top order.
 
MMHS said:
He is not going to play ODI/T20, neither Asad, Sami, Imam, Usman, Saad - take them to SAF a month earlier with PAK A team, during NZ ODI series and play 4/5 FC games against decent FC players. That's the only solution - otherwise Test matches might not reach 4th days, if SAF plays Styen, Vernon, Rabada & Ngidi on their typical wickets ...........
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They are gonna get white washed in SA anyway. I think Azhar should be able to regain decent enough form before that as he will havevUAE series to regain confidence too
 
hur rizvi said:
Shafiq has been a decent enough test cricketer with 11 hundreds and I don’t believe we can drop him as of yet specially after losing misbah and younus
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Ok even if we agree don't drop him now if you are going with 5 batsmen but Mickey has been with the team for more than 1 year now and could have easily played Usman in some of test matches against WI knowing there will be spots soon in the team after Misbah, Younis. Usman would have got much needed experience. Right now he is just scared trying Usman.

I like the guy but his tactics were weird at quite a few times.
 
98 overs today - I would have targeted to get all-out in 90 overs (adjust scoring for that), and have a go to IRL openers of 6 overs this evening and another 2 hours with moisture and semi old ball tmro morning. Ideally, IRL would have loved to keep PAK on bat till lunch tmro and bat at 2.5 rate ..... (unless they get them all-out for 170 after tea today :( )
 
Markhor said:
Credit also goes to the coaches for quickly identifying he should bat at 3. He debuted at 6 but his game and ability against pace means he's better suited in the top order.
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It was a matter of time.

Infact should have ideally debuted at 3 but they moved Azhar to 3 and opened with Shan Masood which in turn again meant no place for Usman. Dont know whose genius decision was that. Cost us big time.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Ok even if we agree don't drop him now if you are going with 5 batsmen but Mickey has been with the team for more than 1 year now and could have easily played Usman in some of test matches against WI knowing there will be spots soon in the team after Misbah, Younis. Usman would have got much needed experience. Right now he is just scared trying Usman.

I like the guy but his tactics were weird at quite a few times.
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We played a grand total of one series after misbah and younus departure. His chance will come soon
 
MMHS said:
98 overs today - I would have targeted to get all-out in 90 overs (adjust scoring for that), and have a go to IRL openers of 6 overs this evening and another 2 hours with moisture and semi old ball tmro morning. Ideally, IRL would have loved to keep PAK on bat till lunch tmro and bat at 2.5 rate ..... (unless they get them all-out for 170 after tea today :( )
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Ireland are playing for a draw. We bat all the way down to 9, Thompson over Young was due to his batting as his bowling isnt Test level.

We'd be happy if Pakistan made 400 by lunch or Tea tomorrow, then we aim to avoid a follow on and that should be the draw.
 
hur rizvi said:
They are gonna get white washed in SA anyway. I think Azhar should be able to regain decent enough form before that as he will havevUAE series to regain confidence too
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Losing 3-0 is one thing (PAK lost to AUS 3-0 in 1999 series, but it doesn't tell the full story - and they sacked Pybus for that to bring Javed!!!), but being outclassed & look inept is another - and that's for lack of proper preparation is stupidity.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Ireland are playing for a draw. We bat all the way down to 9, Thompson over Young was due to his batting as his bowling isnt Test level.

We'd be happy if Pakistan made 400 by lunch or Tea tomorrow, then we aim to avoid a follow on and that should be the draw.
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I know Donal, I told you that those grass won't be there :)

It'll be a great start for IRL if you can manage a draw. Apart from AUS in 1876, only team that survived defeat in debut Test was ZIM, that too because they played IND at home - a side that did win in total 2 Tests in 16 years outside home - one at Colombo & one at Dhaka :(
 
MMHS said:
Losing 3-0 is one thing (PAK lost to AUS 3-0 in 1999 series, but it doesn't tell the full story - and they sacked Pybus for that to bring Javed!!!), but being outclassed & look inept is another - and that's for lack of proper preparation is stupidity.
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We are going to lose pretty bad. This test team is worst fielded by Pakistan in a long while. Anything other than a shambolic whitewash would be a face saver
 
That's lunch and we'll be pleased not to lose any more wickets after the early damage.

Opening remains a concern as ever but hopefully these two can convert these starts and get us to 300.
 
MMHS said:
Losing 3-0 is one thing (PAK lost to AUS 3-0 in 1999 series, but it doesn't tell the full story - and they sacked Pybus for that to bring Javed!!!), but being outclassed & look inept is another - and that's for lack of proper preparation is stupidity.
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Do you see Haris scoring good 50s atleast.And i am sure he is the only bat u enjoy watching in this whole snail pace batting line up.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
That wont happen.
The young lot is much better against fast bowling. They just need more time and experience.
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Lol that will happen. Even if young lot bats well we have serious bowling issues and won’t be able to win. Too many weak links to challenge South Africa or England away
 
DRsohail said:
Do you see Haris scoring good 50s atleast.And i am sure he is the only bat u enjoy watching in this whole snail pace batting line up.
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I think, PAK'll post big and once bowlers get tired (it's not surprisingly too aged Irish side), scoring rate 'll increase and PAK tail half should post quick scores.
 
hur rizvi said:
Lol that will happen. Even if young lot bats well we have serious bowling issues and won’t be able to win. Too many weak links to challenge South Africa or England away
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Yeah bowling is an issue i agree. But we have young batsmen likes Haris, Babar, Usman, Saad, Saud, Talat who in my opinion will do much better than our old lot in SA. They just need some international experience.
 
MMHS said:
I think, PAK'll post big and once bowlers get tired (it's not surprisingly too aged Irish side), scoring rate 'll increase and PAK tail half should post quick scores.
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i am actually asking about Haris performance against england??can he do it against Anderson and Broad.>????
 
Pakistan - 67/2 (28 ov) at Lunch. Harris Sohail 28(56), Asad Shafiq 22 (64).
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
That wont happen.
The young lot is much better against fast bowling. They just need more time and experience.
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They are actually inferior against fast bowling - take out Misbah & YK, see apart from Azhar what young lot has done against fast bowling - and now Azhar is struggling. When you have Misbah & YK in their 40s as your premium batsmen against fast bowling...

By cricket logic, it's not possible for PAK young players to play fast bowling well - it can't happen from QeA style, when they play 60 overs FC innings on soggy wickets, where 120K pacers just need to keep it on business spot, for wicket to do the job ......

More than batting, I am afraid you'll see PAK pacers bowling absolute filth line-length on SAF wickets, because they don't need to work out batsmen to get FC wicket in buckets.
 
Think Pak should end up 290-300 for 3 by day end. Ireland have no more sting till next new ball
 
DRsohail said:
i am actually asking about Haris performance against england??can he do it against Anderson and Broad.>????
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May be, but extremely tough from No. 3 if openers put him every time in against Jimmy/Berbi's 1st spell. I think, he'll have one good innings for sure.
 
MMHS said:
They are actually inferior against fast bowling - take out Misbah & YK, see apart from Azhar what young lot has done against fast bowling - and now Azhar is struggling. When you have Misbah & YK in their 40s as your premium batsmen against fast bowling...

By cricket logic, it's not possible for PAK young players to play fast bowling well - it can't happen from QeA style, when they play 60 overs FC innings on soggy wickets, where 120K pacers just need to keep it on business spot, for wicket to do the job ......

More than batting, I am afraid you'll see PAK pacers bowling absolute filth line-length on SAF wickets, because they don't need to work out batsmen to get FC wicket in buckets.
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My young lot for overseas test matches = Haris, Babar, Usman, Saad, Saud, Talat.

How many of them have got chances in test matches apart from Babar?
Haris got few and already showed he is our best batsmen. Rest will soon make a mark if given a run.

They will do good IA. You will see :)
 
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We will lose all five Tests in England and South Africa, this team is a joke. The only bright spot in batting is Haris and it remains to be seen if Babar will find his feet in Test cricket at number 5, which will probably be his permanent position for a while now.

The rest of the batting and the whole bowling unit is in shambles. We are about to enter our worst phase in Test cricket in a long time.
 
Mamoon said:
We will lose all five Tests in England and South Africa, this team is a joke. The only bright spot in batting is Haris and it remains to be seen if Babar will find his feet in Test cricket at number 5, which will probably be his permanent position for a while now.

The rest of the batting and the whole bowling unit is in shambles. We are about to enter our worst phase in Test cricket in a long time.
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Thank you very much but why are you worried as India are invincibles.
 
Should look to make hay this afternoon as this pitch flattens out. See out Murtagh and Rankin and cash in on the others.
 
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