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We talk about folk being racist towards Asians, but are Asians equally or perhaps even more guilty of racism to others?

I ask this question based on the differences of opinion in the Sarfaraz Ahmed eiposde where some thought what he said was racist, but others said there was nothing wrong with what the Pakistan skipper had stated.
 
Asians do have institutionalized racism. Hence people fail to grasp the concept.

Fair and lovely cream is a perfect example of that.
 
It's common in every culture.

But there are different levels of racism. What Sarfraz said wasn't intentionally racist as he had no intent to offend but due to the history of racism in South Africa, totally innapropriate to reference a persons colour.

Asians are generally racist, they would rather mingle with their own esp those not born in a mixed culture such as the UK. You wont find many marrying outside their race with the blessing of their family.

White westerners are more intruiging. A large amount are not racist at all , very liberal and very accepting. Mixed marriages between whites and others are very common in the UK and growing in number.

White imperial racism is another story, some of the worst massacers in history have taken place by this type. The lands conquered were often turned into the blood of the natives, whether it was the native Indians , Indians, Africans.

Then we have racism in Israel which is very strange, they believe the Jewish people are a race but will only care for the white Jews not the blacks. So they are racist within a race which doesn't make any sense at all.
 
It happens in all communities, people generally become more racist and bigotted as they get old.
 
Yeah more casual racism and casteism/tribalism. Not the scientific racism that is more prevalent in western culture and led to the holocaust.
 
It's common in every culture.

But there are different levels of racism. What Sarfraz said wasn't intentionally racist as he had no intent to offend but due to the history of racism in South Africa, totally innapropriate to reference a persons colour.

Asians are generally racist, they would rather mingle with their own esp those not born in a mixed culture such as the UK. You wont find many marrying outside their race with the blessing of their family.

White westerners are more intruiging. A large amount are not racist at all , very liberal and very accepting. Mixed marriages between whites and others are very common in the UK and growing in number.

White imperial racism is another story, some of the worst massacers in history have taken place by this type. The lands conquered were often turned into the blood of the natives, whether it was the native Indians , Indians, Africans.

Then we have racism in Israel which is very strange, they believe the Jewish people are a race but will only care for the white Jews not the blacks. So they are racist within a race which doesn't make any sense at all.

You are correct, however you cannot deny - that other races towards us asians even far east asians - they are very racist.

my experiences with the far east Asians that - they are the most racist - and even institutionalized racists - i mean look how educated the japanese and south koreans are - but honestly even today standards they are extremely institutionalized racists
 
You are correct, however you cannot deny - that other races towards us asians even far east asians - they are very racist.

my experiences with the far east Asians that - they are the most racist - and even institutionalized racists - i mean look how educated the japanese and south koreans are - but honestly even today standards they are extremely institutionalized racists

Interesting. I dont really know many far east Asians. The ones I know well are in the UK and are more British. I've been travelling to the far east and didn't face any racism there. Are you sure it's not culture issue for them rather than race? Their culture can often be very difficult to understand and to be involved in.
 
Yes there is racism but more following of culture amongst Pakistanis. Just mention wanting to marry a Muslimah of some other background to see the reaction. Can't speak for other "Asians" at all.
 
South and East Asians alike suffer from “white skin worship”.
 
Asians in general are racist. It is ingrained in our mind, we cannot get out of it. Calling someone by their colour is normal to any South Asians especially.
 
Racism is not serious problem is Pakistan or most Siuth Asia.

Religious extremism or ill tolerance and cast system are far bigger problems.

There are many different aspect of tribalism, they are different from each other, but some how they always thrive in conservative culture 🤩🤩🤩
 
Calling someone racist now days is something you do when you don't have a good counter argument.
 
Calling someone racist now days is something you do when you don't have a good counter argument.

So we shouldn't call you a racist if you say you believe that some races are inferior to yours or are subhumans? Instead we need to put up a "good counter argument" to prove that we're humans? Lmaoo this is just preposterous.
 
Typical right wing comment. Disgusting

I think a lot of people dont have sound reasoning when labelling people racist.

To give an example if a person was to punch someone for no reason you could be considered violent, if you were to hit someone because you didnt know they were there. In both cases someone has hit another person but only one is because violence.

To make it more clear, Safraz said something which was racially taboo, but does he believe that he is superior and Phehlukwayo is subhuman. Of course not, he did not grow up in SA and he meant no harm to anybody but somwhow people are labelling him as racist.
 
I knew a British Sikh girl whose family disowned her when she married a black man.

She took her husband to Gurdwara. An old man said in Punjabi - first they started marrying Gujaratis, then whites, and now even blacks.

They visited India with their mixed-race kid. Husband was held up at Customs, child waved through because “He sort of looks like he could be one of us”.
 
I knew a British Sikh girl whose family disowned her when she married a black man.

She took her husband to Gurdwara. An old man said in Punjabi - first they started marrying Gujaratis, then whites, and now even blacks.

They visited India with their mixed-race kid. Husband was held up at Customs, child waved through because “He sort of looks like he could be one of us”.

Put yourself back in time to the Victorian days when well to do Brits used to do arranged marriages. A father would look for a match from a good family with plenty of property or land. Then you would get an idea of the mindset of an Indian who was brought up in the east. A lot if older Asians still probably see thugs or gangsters when they see a black man. In fact it wasn't that long ago that we Brits used to think of them that way as well.
 
I knew a British Sikh girl whose family disowned her when she married a black man.

She took her husband to Gurdwara. An old man said in Punjabi - first they started marrying Gujaratis, then whites, and now even blacks.

They visited India with their mixed-race kid. Husband was held up at Customs, child waved through because “He sort of looks like he could be one of us”.

Which Gurudwara is this, a Sikh cuzon of mine tried marrying a white guy recently and the Gurudwaras refused in England.

They are not even allowing it anymore as they believe husband doesn't believe in Sikhism.

Gurudwaras in UK are much more strict than ones in India imo, not sure why though.
 
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That brings to mind as well one of the reasons why Asians find inter-marriage more difficult is that they are often still very religious, the old man in the Gurdwara definitely will be. So it won't just be a matter of race, it will be religion. The practising Sikhs are usually vegetarian, when the girl brings in an outsider, they will often be suspicious that the guy is not going to give a damn about their religious restrictions.

Many Sikhs have disowned their daughters for marrying Pakistanis as well, and vice versa, so there is a lot more to it than just race or skin colour.
 
Which Gurudwara is this, a Sikh cuzon of mine tried marrying a white guy recently and the Gurudwaras refused in England.

They are not even allowing it anymore as they believe husband doesn't believe in Sikhism.

Gurudwaras in UK are much more strict than ones in India imo, not sure why though.

Identity crisis or fear losing the purity.
 
Calling someone racist now days is something you do when you don't have a good counter argument.

You sound like another Aussie going by the name of Avi Yemeni. That's the sort of stuff he would come up with in Speakers Corner, London.
 
Which Gurudwara is this, a Sikh cuzon of mine tried marrying a white guy recently and the Gurudwaras refused in England.

They are not even allowing it anymore as they believe husband doesn't believe in Sikhism.

Gurudwaras in UK are much more strict than ones in India imo, not sure why though.

The latter is true for Muslims living outside of Pakistan as well.
 
I think a lot of people dont have sound reasoning when labelling people racist.

To give an example if a person was to punch someone for no reason you could be considered violent, if you were to hit someone because you didnt know they were there. In both cases someone has hit another person but only one is because violence.

To make it more clear, Safraz said something which was racially taboo, but does he believe that he is superior and Phehlukwayo is subhuman. Of course not, he did not grow up in SA and he meant no harm to anybody but somwhow people are labelling him as racist.

Sarfraz had no intention of being racist and in every culture/country has different meaning of the same word.

In South Asia, "Ka-*la" (Black) is look down upon aesthetically, people prefer "go-ra" (white), if you aren't fair skin then you aren't handsome enough, pretty enough, or good looking enough.

The word "ka-la" has also been commercialized in South Asia, there are many companies, which are selling products to make your skin less "****" and they are killing it.

It has all to do with colonialism mind set that people of Sub-continent, particularly, India and Pakistan had unfortunately decided to hold on to.

Sarfraz had no intention of being racist, in his mind it did not registered as racist because it has been norm in Pakistan and India.

The word "**-**" is a derogatory term in sub-continent not because one feel superior to another but it has to do with aesthetic.

Word "**-**" does not have the same meaning and feeling as in other part of the world, Australia, North America and England.
 
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Interesting. I dont really know many far east Asians. The ones I know well are in the UK and are more British. I've been travelling to the far east and didn't face any racism there. Are you sure it's not culture issue for them rather than race? Their culture can often be very difficult to understand and to be involved in.

Everyone culture is very difficult and hard to understand by other races.

With the far east Asians its very open - i do believe that you rare correct regarding the ones born in the UK are considered English.

Regarding racism with them - you can talk to them in classes but they dont mingle to meet up outside work uni - they meet up with the English but not with sub continents/Arabs, blacks.
 
Racism is ever where and Asia is no exception ppl in South Asia can bet racists but I find the worst from what I have seen is east Asia ( China , Korea, Indonesia and the worst imo is China their on another level when it comes to racism)
 
Racism is ever where and Asia is no exception ppl in South Asia can bet racists but I find the worst from what I have seen is east Asia ( China , Korea, Indonesia and the worst imo is China their on another level when it comes to racism)
interesting. Any stories on China which you would like to share?
 
interesting. Any stories on China which you would like to share?

I haven't been to China myself should have stated that sorry but I dealt with a ot of Chinese students who came to Montreal for studies, their general attitude to people of color is not good at all some don't even like white people either, but in general their racist. A lot of them don't like Muslims either and told me about how their treated as well which I was aware about again not all Chinese are racist but from my experience a good amount are

The other funny thing that happened was thier was a guy at my school who I would see a lot Chinese and he didn't like me, one day we started talking I told him I'm from Pakistan , he seemed happy to hear that but did say even though our countries have good relations a lot of Chinese still look down upon Pakistan because of different culture , religion and skin tone. Another of his friend didn't like me either he thought I was Indian when I told him I was Pakistani he seemed more happy and even called me brother he said he hates Indians so that's why he was cold with me at first thinking I was Indian.

This is based on my experience I'm very observant and I see how the look at other people and what they say to them as well based on my experience I feel their the most racist
 
Interesting. I dont really know many far east Asians. The ones I know well are in the UK and are more British. I've been travelling to the far east and didn't face any racism there. Are you sure it's not culture issue for them rather than race? Their culture can often be very difficult to understand and to be involved in.

the japanese have a massive demographic crisis with their population aging, and reducing in number over the past few years, given their developed economy and high living standards people would line up to move to japan if possible, however, of the foreign nationals living in Japan (about 2% of the population) the vast majority are ethnically far east asian (oriental), and even they find integrating and being accepted into Japanese society a difficult task.

so japan is not racist in the explicit way we would visualise racism, but rather in a deep seated conservatism of who they wish to have live among them, in their society, and viewing non ethnic japanese as foreign regardless of their citizenship.
 
I haven't been to China myself should have stated that sorry but I dealt with a ot of Chinese students who came to Montreal for studies, their general attitude to people of color is not good at all some don't even like white people either, but in general their racist. A lot of them don't like Muslims either and told me about how their treated as well which I was aware about again not all Chinese are racist but from my experience a good amount are

The other funny thing that happened was thier was a guy at my school who I would see a lot Chinese and he didn't like me, one day we started talking I told him I'm from Pakistan , he seemed happy to hear that but did say even though our countries have good relations a lot of Chinese still look down upon Pakistan because of different culture , religion and skin tone. Another of his friend didn't like me either he thought I was Indian when I told him I was Pakistani he seemed more happy and even called me brother he said he hates Indians so that's why he was cold with me at first thinking I was Indian.

This is based on my experience I'm very observant and I see how the look at other people and what they say to them as well based on my experience I feel their the most racist

I am surprised, I didn't realise Indian obsession with Chinese power cut so deep.
 
I am surprised, I didn't realise Indian obsession with Chinese power cut so deep.

Again depends on the person too , you can find it with a lot of people regardless of race when they have rivalry of power that their hate for that country can increase again it depends on the person I've met Chinese that love desi culture and even some that like India more than Pakistan
 
Racism is worryingly common in Asia. People don't even realize the consequences of racism until they leave the country.
 
In my opinion racism in Asia is merely a reflection of quality recognition. Hollywood is a white dominated industry, and without a doubt the American film industry is successful in Asia above all others. apart from Pakistan where people are generally uneducated and think the world revolves around India. In the free Asian countries like South Korea, the cosmetic surgery centres around eye surgery to look more like westerners such is the influence of the great US movie experience.
 
It depends how we see Racism and what we know about racism.

You could say Racism is common in Asia and there is a reason for that.

The reason is difference in culture.

The West learned that racism is wrong. How did they learn? Through the apartheid in South Africa, through Jim Crow Laws in US, through the Nuremberg Trials in Germany.
These countries committed major mistakes, but they also learned from it, and not only did they learn but they also educated their next generation regarding it.

Now in the Asia culture, yes we have been racist. We have also committed major racists acts. For example, the Dallits in India, or the Christian in Pakistan.
In Pakistan, we even apply laws that are discriminating to other religions. Example, public eating ban also being enforced on religious minorities during Ramazan.

But, the difference is, we still haven't realized our mistakes. And when we haven't realized it we will not bother to educate our future generation regarding it.

So there is a difference in culture.

The use of swearing is another very good example.

In Asian culture, Parents are held sacred, thus, when someone use profanities or swear words against ones parents, we get offended easily.

But people in the West careless about it.

So you see again, there is a difference in culture.

And this is what agitates us Asian. West wants us to behave according to their culture, they want us to respect their ways of living. Infact, they punish us for that aswell. Ok Fair enough.
But about our way of living?
Even in sports, if someone says a Racist remark, he gets punished, but if someone swears at his parents or siblings that gets overlooked.

A very good example is the Zidance Headbutt in the 2008 world cup. Now when there were rumours that Matarezzi had said something about Zidances mother or sister, there wasn't any uproar, but as soon as there were rumours that he had called Zidane or his family terrorists then everyone got angry.

However if we look at the Sarfraz Case, one siding with him is understandable

When i was like 13 year old and newly moved to Canada, i would often here black students call each other the N word. SO i had a black friend and asked him what did the word meant? Another couple of black kids heard me and kept on saying that say the word one more time. My friend kept warning me dont say.

At that time i didn't understand the amount of trouble i could had gotten into for saying the N word. ANd it didnt make any logical sense to me that while the black kids culd use the n word for each other, but not me.

It was after a couple of weeks i understood all this.

One thing we have to accept here is that in our culture we don't know how serious racism is, and its ridiculous that other societies should expect this from us. When we haven't seen black racism existing in our society how the hell are we suppose to know the affects.

Its like how we regard parents, and we get offended easily when someone uses a swear word involving parents. Now people frm West wont understand this but we do.


I am not defending Sarfraz's acts here, yes he needs a talking two, but i am giving a perspective from a culture point of view.

its just that people from different cultures coming into the real world.

Sarfraz's punishment is justified though, but you still have to understand the case. People have been bashing him on media tooo much
 
Another thing that i forgot to add in my post, Sarfraz got a 4 match ban. Fair enough, but look at his recent statement in the cricket section. He still doesn't understand what wrong he has committed. And you can't blame him. Because he doesn't understand Racism like they do in West.

So did the 4 ban serve any purpose? I dont mind the ban, but if ICC is giving out such punishments, they should teach all the players what not to do and say. This also goes for cricketers who swear profanities aswell
 
Asians are casually racist to the point where if someone like a Sarfraz says "Blacky" it's not considered to be racist from their POV which points to a big problem to begin with when it comes to changing their backward and bigoted mentalities.
 
Interesting. I dont really know many far east Asians. The ones I know well are in the UK and are more British. I've been travelling to the far east and didn't face any racism there. Are you sure it's not culture issue for them rather than race? Their culture can often be very difficult to understand and to be involved in.

Same here, we probably interact a lot with the ones from Brum and they are all pretty cool; big east asian population here compared to other cities and China Town is always pretty lit, was down there a few weeks ago it's a great place to check out and even better then what I remember. But I think the attitudes could be a lot different among those who are born and bought up in their country's of origin in that part of the world
 
Asians are casually racist to the point where if someone like a Sarfraz says "Blacky" it's not considered to be racist from their POV which points to a big problem to begin with when it comes to changing their backward and bigoted mentalities.

Asians are backward yes, bigoted I'm not so sure. Major has written a big long post explaining why Asian culture is ignorant about racism and while I agree, I think the only reason why the western world is more sophisticated in this regard is summed up in one word: multiculturalism.

Asian countries are generally third world and similar to what America and Europe would have been 200 years ago. Even shining and rising nations are still stuck in the past and thus racism is still rampant in those countries. This is why we Brits are still far superior in many ways, our culture is sophisticated and widespread for a reason. I would always recommend multiculturalism for that reason.
 
Asians are backward yes, bigoted I'm not so sure. Major has written a big long post explaining why Asian culture is ignorant about racism and while I agree, I think the only reason why the western world is more sophisticated in this regard is summed up in one word: multiculturalism.

The only reason western world is sophisticated about racism is one word: white guilt.

Those asian origin people who consider the white people their intellectual masters have also copied the same sophistication, which is of course a good thing, but asians have no reason to be guilty about racism, as they were multicultural from ancient times.
 
Asians are backward yes, bigoted I'm not so sure. Major has written a big long post explaining why Asian culture is ignorant about racism and while I agree, I think the only reason why the western world is more sophisticated in this regard is summed up in one word: multiculturalism.

Asian countries are generally third world and similar to what America and Europe would have been 200 years ago. Even shining and rising nations are still stuck in the past and thus racism is still rampant in those countries. This is why we Brits are still far superior in many ways, our culture is sophisticated and widespread for a reason. I would always recommend multiculturalism for that reason.

I also say bigoted because they are unreasonably attached to that view and unwilling to remotely understand the extent of their words or behaviour, it extends within their own country as well when darker male or females are looked down upon even sometimes a son or a daughter which is just sad. Sarfraz despite his apology doesn't seem to grasp the nature of what he said, but like you say those places are stuck in the past and have been this way for generations so am not sure what is the solution, you'd think that someone who is a bit well travelled as an international cricketer would have smartened up a bit but that's not the case here.
 
The only reason western world is sophisticated about racism is one word: white guilt.

Those asian origin people who consider the white people their intellectual masters have also copied the same sophistication, which is of course a good thing, but asians have no reason to be guilty about racism, as they were multicultural from ancient times.

There is no guilt from our side about what the British Raj did to India though, it would have been better if they stayed there a bit longer to fix their inability to use a toilet for example.
 
Racism is not serious problem is Pakistan or most Siuth Asia.

Religious extremism or ill tolerance and cast system are far bigger problems.

There are many different aspect of tribalism, they are different from each other, but some how they always thrive in conservative culture ������

Good post.

Having played football all my childhood with Somalians i can easily say that i never found my friends demeaning towards them even though they were referred as Kaalay when we talk to each other in Urdu. But they were great friends and were never demeaned.

Religious extremism is a far bigger problem in Pakistan.
 
The only reason western world is sophisticated about racism is one word: white guilt.

Those asian origin people who consider the white people their intellectual masters have also copied the same sophistication, which is of course a good thing, but asians have no reason to be guilty about racism, as they were multicultural from ancient times.

This thread shows that as there is white guilt, there is also brown guilt. Multiculturalism must have been of a different hue in ancient times as Asian countries still don't understand racism as a wrong in the same way the western countries do through direct intermingling.
 
Good post.

Having played football all my childhood with Somalians i can easily say that i never found my friends demeaning towards them even though they were referred as Kaalay when we talk to each other in Urdu. But they were great friends and were never demeaned.

Religious extremism is a far bigger problem in Pakistan.

Sadly, the religious extremists are actually less racist than the secular Pakistanis. That is one thing I admired about the Islam brigade, they don't believe in borders so while their philosophy is wrong, at least it doesn't discriminate.
 
Good post.

Having played football all my childhood with Somalians i can easily say that i never found my friends demeaning towards them even though they were referred as Kaalay when we talk to each other in Urdu. But they were great friends and were never demeaned.

Religious extremism is a far bigger problem in Pakistan.

Plus another thing is if you have lived in Pakistan you must have noticed that if there is some guy who is v.dark skinned and any other guy try to degrade him and insult him in Urdu saying kaaliya or something there will be 10 guys who will come in defense of the dark skin guy and say "kisi ko uskay rang and appearance ki base pr target nahi krna chaheye" meaning "no one should be targeted on basis of his color and appearance". Why? because the guy speaks and understands Urdu and it can hurt his feelings. But same people call Africans as kaalay in their daily conversation in Urdu because its not their language and is not used to demean them rather to refer them as we refer westerners as Gooray.

In short it depends on one's intention and the culture we are brought up in.
 
This thread shows that as there is white guilt, there is also brown guilt. Multiculturalism must have been of a different hue in ancient times as Asian countries still don't understand racism as a wrong in the same way the western countries do through direct intermingling.

white guilt has made the west overcompensate, where associating chicken and watermelon as favourite food of someone is seen as racist. asian countries need not borrow such stupid PC culture. although asian or non white origin people living in the west must follow the PC culture so that they can be considered integrated.
 
Sadly, the religious extremists are actually less racist than the secular Pakistanis. That is one thing I admired about the Islam brigade, they don't believe in borders so while their philosophy is wrong, at least it doesn't discriminate.

True.

Pakistan is a religious country where core Islamic principles are religiously followed and racism is a thing on which all sects of Islam agree on. The example of Last sermon of Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H against racism is given frequently.

Thats why i said before, we can be anything but we are not racist (majority).

Religious extremism exist due to non-agreement on some issues..
 
white guilt has made the west overcompensate, where associating chicken and watermelon as favourite food of someone is seen as racist. asian countries need not borrow such stupid PC culture. although asian or non white origin people living in the west must follow the PC culture so that they can be considered integrated.

Asian countries - or at least your own - will also follow western PC culture because it is superior. Check your own laws which will reflect this rather than your own traditions from 200 years ago. BCCI rightly rushed to suspend Pandiya such was their need to be seen to conform to western PC standards.
 
Asian countries - or at least your own - will also follow western PC culture because it is superior. Check your own laws which will reflect this rather than your own traditions from 200 years ago. BCCI rightly rushed to suspend Pandiya such was their need to be seen to conform to western PC standards.

That there are people in asian countries who consider the white west as their thought masters, doesn't make it right. There is nothing wrong in saying that bengalis love fish and rice, but the STUPID PC culture in west thinks it is racist to say some people love their fried chicken and watermelon.white guilt has led to intellectually bankruptcy among the followers of white west.
 
That there are people in asian countries who consider the white west as their thought masters, doesn't make it right. There is nothing wrong in saying that bengalis love fish and rice, but the STUPID PC culture in west thinks it is racist to say some people love their fried chicken and watermelon.white guilt has led to intellectually bankruptcy among the followers of white west.

This is a myth propagated by Hindutva apologists. White people are quite capable of taking the good from multiculturalism while rejecting the bad. Australia and America will now only accept high performing Asian immigrants, but that doesn't mean they will make them movie stars. The box office dictates and that is only right.
 
This is a myth propagated by Hindutva apologists. White people are quite capable of taking the good from multiculturalism while rejecting the bad. Australia and America will now only accept high performing Asian immigrants, but that doesn't mean they will make them movie stars. The box office dictates and that is only right.

Totally non sequitur. take your time to read again and/or articulate yourself better.
 
Totally non sequitur. take your time to read again and/or articulate yourself better.

No problem. What you call white man's guilt or stupid PC cannot really be understood by someone who hasn't lived in a multicultural society where equality is striven for, even if it is a work in process. This is why Australia and South Africa had to give up white supremacy and are now following the same path as other multicultural countries. Perhaps one day India will be considered the best country to live in, but as of now I am pretty sure all of the highest ranking ones are western, all following PC cultural policies.
 
No problem. What you call white man's guilt or stupid PC cannot really be understood by someone who hasn't lived in a multicultural society where equality is striven for, even if it is a work in process. This is why Australia and South Africa had to give up white supremacy and are now following the same path as other multicultural countries. Perhaps one day India will be considered the best country to live in, but as of now I am pretty sure all of the highest ranking ones are western, all following PC cultural policies.

Lame arguments even by your standards. any hdi, quality of life index or gini coefficient has no relation to PC culture. you might also be believing that atheism or christianity is superior to islam, as the highest ranking nations are either atheist or christian majority? don't waste time with such kindergarten logic which is what you do when you have no answer. so putting you on the right track: tell us what is racist in saying that bengalis love fish and rice?
 
Lame arguments even by your standards. any hdi, quality of life index or gini coefficient has no relation to PC culture. you might also be believing that atheism or christianity is superior to islam, as the highest ranking nations are either atheist or christian majority? don't waste time with such kindergarten logic which is what you do when you have no answer. so putting you on the right track: tell us what is racist in saying that bengalis love fish and rice?

Has anybody complained it is racist? I only ask as this has been raised entirely by yourself so I would need some context.
 
Has anybody complained it is racist? I only ask as this has been raised entirely by yourself so I would need some context.

Why is context needed? There is nothing racist about stating that bengalis love their fish and rice. But why does the stupid PC culture thinks it is racist to say blacks loves fried chicken?
 
Why is context needed? There is nothing racist about stating that bengalis love their fish and rice. But why does the stupid PC culture thinks it is racist to say blacks loves fried chicken?

Where did you hear that it is racist to say blacks love fried chicken? I don't really know where you are getting this stuff from. Fish and rice, fried chicken, is there some sort of culinary aspect to this racism which is common knowledge in India these days?
 
Where did you hear that it is racist to say blacks love fried chicken? I don't really know where you are getting this stuff from. Fish and rice, fried chicken, is there some sort of culinary aspect to this racism which is common knowledge in India these days?

You should read british newspapers then if you haven't heard of it before. BBC was accused of racism for a video linking blacks with fried chicken and they had to take it down.
 
You should read british newspapers then if you haven't heard of it before. BBC was accused of racism for a video linking blacks with fried chicken and they had to take it down.

BBC is mostly read by overseas subscribers, sounds more like the sort of stuff which happens in the US. Perhaps the BBC unwittingly portrayed something offensive to American blacks without realising it, it is quite out of touch with what goes on over there. We Brits prefer to read the Times or the Mail if we are slumming it so we can keep abreast of Dr Who or Brexit.
 
BBC is mostly read by overseas subscribers, sounds more like the sort of stuff which happens in the US. Perhaps the BBC unwittingly portrayed something offensive to American blacks without realising it, it is quite out of touch with what goes on over there. We Brits prefer to read the Times or the Mail if we are slumming it so we can keep abreast of Dr Who or Brexit.

Won't take the word of asian origin british citizens, as it is the white british who define the british norms regarding racism. Uncle [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] do you think Britain is too PC and overcompensating for white guilt?
 
It depends how we see Racism and what we know about racism.

You could say Racism is common in Asia and there is a reason for that.

The reason is difference in culture.

The West learned that racism is wrong. How did they learn? Through the apartheid in South Africa, through Jim Crow Laws in US, through the Nuremberg Trials in Germany.
These countries committed major mistakes, but they also learned from it, and not only did they learn but they also educated their next generation regarding it.

Now in the Asia culture, yes we have been racist. We have also committed major racists acts. For example, the Dallits in India, or the Christian in Pakistan.
In Pakistan, we even apply laws that are discriminating to other religions. Example, public eating ban also being enforced on religious minorities during Ramazan.

But, the difference is, we still haven't realized our mistakes. And when we haven't realized it we will not bother to educate our future generation regarding it.

So there is a difference in culture.

The use of swearing is another very good example.

In Asian culture, Parents are held sacred, thus, when someone use profanities or swear words against ones parents, we get offended easily.

But people in the West careless about it.

So you see again, there is a difference in culture.

And this is what agitates us Asian. West wants us to behave according to their culture, they want us to respect their ways of living. Infact, they punish us for that aswell. Ok Fair enough.
But about our way of living?
Even in sports, if someone says a Racist remark, he gets punished, but if someone swears at his parents or siblings that gets overlooked.

A very good example is the Zidance Headbutt in the 2008 world cup. Now when there were rumours that Matarezzi had said something about Zidances mother or sister, there wasn't any uproar, but as soon as there were rumours that he had called Zidane or his family terrorists then everyone got angry.

However if we look at the Sarfraz Case, one siding with him is understandable

When i was like 13 year old and newly moved to Canada, i would often here black students call each other the N word. SO i had a black friend and asked him what did the word meant? Another couple of black kids heard me and kept on saying that say the word one more time. My friend kept warning me dont say.

At that time i didn't understand the amount of trouble i could had gotten into for saying the N word. ANd it didnt make any logical sense to me that while the black kids culd use the n word for each other, but not me.

It was after a couple of weeks i understood all this.

One thing we have to accept here is that in our culture we don't know how serious racism is, and its ridiculous that other societies should expect this from us. When we haven't seen black racism existing in our society how the hell are we suppose to know the affects.

Its like how we regard parents, and we get offended easily when someone uses a swear word involving parents. Now people frm West wont understand this but we do.


I am not defending Sarfraz's acts here, yes he needs a talking two, but i am giving a perspective from a culture point of view.

its just that people from different cultures coming into the real world.

Sarfraz's punishment is justified though, but you still have to understand the case. People have been bashing him on media tooo much

Nice informative post but Sarfraz isn't just any Pakistani you find on the street. He's a professional cricketer who has been around the world and mingled with people from all backgrounds - when he's captaining the PSL side for example. ICC and PCB have their own educational programmes. If he hasn't taken anything from it, then that is his fault.

Why should he be held to the same standard as the common man in Pakistan?
 
In general and this is broad brush, there is inferiority complex with respect to white westerners and inherent racism with respect to blacks
 
In my experience in US, I find Desis as the biggest racists. They use slang terms for whites, Blacks and Mexicans,complain about the racism from whites but treats other colored people like dirt.
 
In my experience in US, I find Desis as the biggest racists. They use slang terms for whites, Blacks and Mexicans,complain about the racism from whites but treats other colored people like dirt.

Welcome to the forum uncle saab.
 
Won't take the word of asian origin british citizens, as it is the white british who define the british norms regarding racism. Uncle [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] do you think Britain is too PC and overcompensating for white guilt?

White Brits used to define the norms, but with the rise of the non-white Brits, it would be considered racist to say that only white Brits are allowed to discern what constitutes racism. For Indians I can understand that you need everything rubber stamped by Colonel Biggins, or Sir Percival Smithers, but I am here to tell you that you will also have to accept sage advice from Captain Rishwats. Get used to it.
 
In my experience in US, I find Desis as the biggest racists. They use slang terms for whites, Blacks and Mexicans,complain about the racism from whites but treats other colored people like dirt.

Agreed, American desis are generally an un-likeable bunch, I have had many run-ins myself with them.
 
White Brits used to define the norms, but with the rise of the non-white Brits, it would be considered racist to say that only white Brits are allowed to discern what constitutes racism. For Indians I can understand that you need everything rubber stamped by Colonel Biggins, or Sir Percival Smithers, but I am here to tell you that you will also have to accept sage advice from Captain Rishwats. Get used to it.

Credit to the white brits who have treated the third world origin citizens as equals and made them feel that they are important too. It takes a white brit to say that all citizen are british regardless of their origins, because only the benevolent host can show such generosity not the parasites.
 
Credit to the white brits who have treated the third world origin citizens as equals and made them feel that they are important too. It takes a white brit to say that all citizen are british regardless of their origins, because only the benevolent host can show such generosity not the parasites.

We British tax payers don't look at those on benefits as parasites, they are merely disadvantaged Britons and we have no problem with our money going to build a better society for all....within reason. That doesn't mean that we can afford to subsidise all immigrants from every corner of the world, but we will help where we can. You can wait to hear the same from Robert if it carries more weight over there.
 
All communities are racist in their own ways. No need to put down Indian American communities while pretending nothing goes on in British Asian communities in general. We all read and are aware how closed the British muslim communities can be.

South Asian communities in general - American/British/Canadian/Fijian/African ... all have fascination towards white people and contempt towards black people. How would a typical South Asian family react when their daughter marries a white vs a black guy? This South Asian family can be Indian/Pakistani/Sri Lankan/Bangladeshi and can be location in US/Canada/UK/... the result is the same.

Muslim/Sikh/Hindu family in UK says "we only want South Asian bride/groom for our kid from our own religion" = conforming to their culture
WASP family in US/UK says "we want an anglo saxon bride/groom for our kid from protestant Christian background" = racism

Double standards.
 
All communities are racist in their own ways. No need to put down Indian American communities while pretending nothing goes on in British Asian communities in general. We all read and are aware how closed the British muslim communities can be.

South Asian communities in general - American/British/Canadian/Fijian/African ... all have fascination towards white people and contempt towards black people. How would a typical South Asian family react when their daughter marries a white vs a black guy? This South Asian family can be Indian/Pakistani/Sri Lankan/Bangladeshi and can be location in US/Canada/UK/... the result is the same.

Muslim/Sikh/Hindu family in UK says "we only want South Asian bride/groom for our kid from our own religion" = conforming to their culture
WASP family in US/UK says "we want an anglo saxon bride/groom for our kid from protestant Christian background" = racism

Double standards.

British Muslim communities aren't racist. Many of those who fled to join ISIS married different races over in Iraq and Syria. Please correct your post.
 
British Muslim communities aren't racist. Many of those who fled to join ISIS married different races over in Iraq and Syria. Please correct your post.

Nope, I beg to differ and stand by my statement. For the sake of the British muslim community, I would like to think that the percentage who fled to join ISIS is small (you have bigger issues otherwise). You say a part of that group has married outside their race. So in essence majority of British muslims do marry within their race/ethnicity and only a small minority marries outside which makes them racist - if we choose to use a similar yardstick to label WASP communities.
 
Nope, I beg to differ and stand by my statement. For the sake of the British muslim community, I would like to think that the percentage who fled to join ISIS is small (you have bigger issues otherwise). You say a part of that group has married outside their race. So in essence majority of British muslims do marry within their race/ethnicity and only a small minority marries outside which makes them racist - if we choose to use a similar yardstick to label WASP communities.

Perhaps you should specify you are talking about British Pakistanis/Bangladeshis then rather than lumping all as British Muslims. There is a big difference, British Muslims from other nationalities frequently marry outside their race. Pakistanis having strong ties to their Indian caste culture are more likely to marry within their own race.
 
Perhaps you should specify you are talking about British Pakistanis/Bangladeshis then rather than lumping all as British Muslims. There is a big difference, British Muslims from other nationalities frequently marry outside their race. Pakistanis having strong ties to their Indian caste culture are more likely to marry within their own race.

Fair point. This is what I had alluded to in one of my prior posts with this statement - "Muslim/Sikh/Hindu family in UK says "we only want South Asian bride/groom for our kid from our own religion" = conforming to their culture" - but perhaps I was not clear in my subsequent post as well.

My question of ignorance - Interesting to see that Pakistanis also have the vestige of caste type divisions as in India. I'm curious - I see quite a few Pakistanis (here and in Quora) emphasize that they are more Arab/Persian/Central Asian and not South Asian and take offense when someone says their ancestors are Hindu. But clearly you are showing an analogy that conflicts with that prevalent idea among Pakistanis. If Pakistanis are truly more Arab/Persian/Central Asian from a cultural standpoint than Hindu/South Asian, then why this persistent caste division influence? - or is this in itself a contentious/debatable opinion among Pakistanis? - I do not know much about the social dynamics on this and my question is purely from a knowledge standpoint (not intending to ruffle feathers with this one).

If Pakistanis are influenced by India's caste culture then how are we explaining higher rates of interracial marriages among British Indians when compared to British Pakistanis? Sources below - and per one source the rate is 33% higher, per other source the rate is 50%+ higher. If the close mindedness of British Pakistanis is an off shoot of Indian caste system, then how come statistically British Indians are more open minded in marriage/life partner than British Pakistanis?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...ellusaboutinterethnicrelationships/2014-07-03

https://www.budrich-journals.de/index.php/zff/article/viewFile/3592/3076
 
Just wondering if the Caste system is a form of racism too?
 
Just wondering if the Caste system is a form of racism too?

Most definitely yes IMO from a practical real life standpoint.

From an English grammar standpoint - racism equates to hatred towards someone from a different race, so caste based hatred may fall under prejudice from a linguistic standpoint. But that is pure semantics. From a real world perspective, it is also a form of racism.
 
One way or another, almost everybody is racist. What's actually important is you should be knowing this fact and keep realizing, evaluating and correcting you attitude towards others. If you strongly believe that you have never been gulity of being racist, you are a pure racist.
 
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