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tanzeel said:
Conveniently missed the second part about my religious beliefs. I chose to live in Pakistan because everything and everyone I care about is here. You of all people don't get to tell me where to live nor do you get to act like some kind of expert on matters you know nothing of.
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Well the second part was about religious beliefs which you don't have to publicise, so to say that looking like a Pukhtoon and being an agnostic would make you a target just seems a nonsensical thing to say, unless you plan on walking around wearing a non-believer billboard or Rushdie Rocks t-shirt.
 
Tanzeel I'm an agnostic from Isloo as well, tbh most if not all of my views are the same as a liberal/moderate Muslim. Apart from blasphemy I've never felt like my views were being viewed by suspicion by people.
 
Is MQM retarded? People winning by x-0 margins, all candidates having exactly even votes. Why the hell are they making it so obvious?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Well the second part was about religious beliefs which you don't have to publicise, so to say that looking like a Pukhtoon and being an agnostic would make you a target just seems a nonsensical thing to say, unless you plan on walking around wearing a non-believer billboard or Rushdie Rocks t-shirt.
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Easier to talk about suppressing your religious beliefs than to actually do it in a society where everyone and their brother is so adamant on shoving their religion down your throat and talking about it at every point. The hardest part is pretending to be a Muslim to people you're friends with, you work with and are related to. You simply cannot chose to not talk about it because most discussions here, particularly where I work, ultimately have a religious element to it. Like I said, you'd look like a lot less of an idiot if you didn't pretend to be an expert on matters you have no knowledge of, just to defend a ridiculous group of people(you know the hicks I'm talking about).
 
180,000 votes counted in 3 hours. What a farce this is and gabol is just smirking knowing full well his goons have rigged it for him.
 
By the way, how efficient was this election? You vote in the morning, and you get the results - nationwide - at dinnertime.

Way more complicated down here. It takes days.
 
Saudi said:
Tanzeel I'm an agnostic from Isloo as well, tbh most if not all of my views are the same as a liberal/moderate Muslim. Apart from blasphemy I've never felt like my views were being viewed by suspicion by people.
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Does your work place come to a grinding halt every day at prayer times and have communal prayers in the middle of the office? How do you generally respond when asked why you don't pray? How do you respond to a 20-30 minute lecture, occasionally from someone on the board of directors, that almost always follows about the importance of praying and religion in your life?
 
Varun said:
By the way, how efficient was this election? You vote in the morning, and you get the results - nationwide - at dinnertime.

Way more complicated down here. It takes days.
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I too am surprised! India takes 3 days for counting, even for states! Elections in Pakistan are very fast indeed
 
tanzeel said:
Easier to talk about suppressing your religious beliefs than to actually do it in a society where everyone and their brother is so adamant on shoving their religion down your throat and talking about it at every point. The hardest part is pretending to be a Muslim to people you're friends with, you work with and are related to. You simply cannot chose to not talk about it because most discussions here, particularly where I work, ultimately have a religious element to it. Like I said, you'd look like a lot less of an idiot if you didn't pretend to be an expert on matters you have no knowledge of, just to defend a ridiculous group of people(you know the hicks I'm talking about).
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And you will find it easy being Agnostic in Peshawar then in Islamabad? Give me a break.
 
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shan said:
And you will find it easy being Agnostic in Peshawar then in Islamabad? Give me break.
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Contrary to popular belief, not being a Muslim is nowhere near as big a deal in Peshawar as it is in predominantly Punjabi areas. The people in Peshawar will make their displeasure known in no uncertain terms but violence over denouncing Islam or following a different religion/denomination of the same religion is a distinctly Punjabi phenomenon.
 
tanzeel said:
Does your work place come to a grinding halt every day at prayer times and have communal prayers in the middle of the office? How do you generally respond when asked why you don't pray? How do you respond to a 20-30 minute lecture, occasionally from someone on the board of directors, that almost always follows about the importance of praying and religion in your life?
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Not started working yet but I've faced all of these things, maybe even more living in the middle East/Pakistan at various times in my life. I've had to visit Makka/Madina hundreds of times for hours at a time, its just something I live with. I've learnt to ignore/simply lie about praying/daydream/use my mobile.
 
Well...the campaign was going well for PTI, massive crowds everywhere. Its time to do the post mortem now and see where they went wrong.
 
Goggy said:
Well...the campaign was going well for PTI, massive crowds everywhere. Its time to do the post mortem now and see where they went wrong.
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imran khan's absence in last two days and young candidates didn't perform well.
 
Congrats to KPK, hopefully they will show the rest of Pakistan what can be done with sincere leadership.
 
lilFlip said:
No, Pakistani people showed today how they deserve the way they are being treated and the way they are living.

DRONE'EM BIT MORE OBAMA!!
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Obama won't be droning the PMLN areas, he'll be droning the KPK where they voted for PTI.
 
Goggy said:
Well...the campaign was going well for PTI, massive crowds everywhere. Its time to do the post mortem now and see where they went wrong.
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They did what they were supposed to do!!

Even Prophets failed to enlighten people! So I won't blame anybody!
 
Goggy said:
Well...the campaign was going well for PTI, massive crowds everywhere. Its time to do the post mortem now and see where they went wrong.
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Big crowds in urban cities is one thing but elections are won and lost in the rural villages. Pakistan is a predominantly rural country and PTI needs to establish a vote bank at local village level. The inability to do this is mainly because it is such a new party. It will take time and persistence, PPP/PML-N have built up their local vote banks over decades.

PTI in opposition is a game changer though, instead of friendly opposition we will now have proper scrutiny and accountability of the government, and the old two party system has at long last been broken, that is the positive to take out of this.
 
MQM comedy aside, few candidates have won with vote numbers that are multiples of 1000. I'm suspicious of these numbers for some reason, doesn't seem likely to happen in fair voting.
 
Excelent chance for PTI to show rest of Pakistan what corruption free goverment does.
 
No seats for PTI in Lahore. They were winning 3-4 seats but now they have stopped the counting and would rig the polling stations.
 
Will we able to see the breakdown of of voting results based on age, gender, religion etc in this elections?
 
well now, people of pakistan, dont moan and ***** when you are screwed for another 5 yrs. If such a well conducted campaign from the charismatic imran khan couldnt convince you to vote for your future, then nothing can.
 
waqar_ahmad said:
well now, people of pakistan, dont moan and ***** when you are screwed for another 5 yrs. If such a well conducted campaign from the charismatic imran khan couldnt convince you to vote for your future, then nothing can.
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They will moan and next time select PPP again, and the cycle continues.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Well the second part was about religious beliefs which you don't have to publicise
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no one publicises there lack of religion as a lack of religion is no where near as important to an irreligious person as religion is to a religious person, however upon learning of someones lack of religious convictions invariably religious people think it is there duty to give a thirty to forty minute lecture on the importance of religion, etc, which they may not realise, has been heard by the listener an innumerable number of times before.

best to avoid talking about religion altogether but that is rarely possible since desis tend to bring religion into everything. i have sympathy for tanzeel as i cannot imagine working in the environment he describes as i have had a very light experience of what he describes amongst my pakistani friends in college, but you can walk away from those situations, you cant walk away from your work place.
 
Well, looking at the tyranical povs on this thread from PTI supporters, assuming they are reflection from PTI policy, I am quite happy that Imran Khan lost.
 
Friend786 said:
imran khan's absence in last two days and young candidates didn't perform well.
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I have a feeling Imran missed a trick by ignoring the TUQ march, he could have put major pressure on the ECP to clean out most of these PMLN corrupt candidates... it turns out most of them have now sweeped the punjab polls.
 
GentleMan said:
the sense of entitlement. how can people not vote for the party I support?
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If I was in their place, I would be relieved. No way could PTI live up to the hopes placed in it, as opposite to the perfect little idealistic scenario they have now, that the best political party in the history of manking could not be elected because of the dumbness of Pakistani Paindoos, as opposed to the highly educated and intellectual crowd that supporters PTI.
 
lilFlip said:
Oh, at this rate I give 3-6 years and Taliban will transform whole Pak into KPK!

Agonizes me to say but: Imran Khan was the last chance for Pak people and they've missed it
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What a load of crap. Taliban aren't even I'm KP, they're in FATA and only manage to sneak in every once in a while to set up a bomb in Peshawar or some other major city. The more likely transformation is that of Pakistan into Quetta at the LEJ's hands given that they're now officially in power for all practical purposes. Punjab will be relatively safer since these animals chose to operate out of there but target minorities elsewhere. They did so with the support and backing of the N league which, in a month, will be sitting in Islamabad and Lahore so things will get worse for the rest of the country.
 
Runner Up said:
PML-N 117, PPP-35 PTI-34

Latest from Geo
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ARY saying PML-N is around 80 so far and all their experts keep saying best case is 90 seats.. they will need serious coalition, in fact they are talking about a possible MQM/PML-N/independents coalition
 
Will Imran Khan contest from PK assembly in the By Elections so he can become Chief Minister?
 
endymion248 said:
If I was in their place, I would be relieved. No way could PTI live up to the hopes placed in it, as opposite to the perfect little idealistic scenario they have now, that the best political party in the history of manking could not be elected because of the dumbness of Pakistani Paindoos, as opposed to the highly educated and intellectual crowd that supporters PTI.
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i think a lot of PTI supporters on this forum belong to the facebook crowd which wants instant gratification. probably they joined the call for change because every youth wants their revolution, their che guevara moment..without knowing what and how the change will be brought. it is this crowd that has that sense of entitlement. true revolutionaries know that change is not that easy and the path is challenging..they will put their head down and keep working hard for the next 5 years. previously they only had jalsas to show..now they actually have mandate in KPK to give a teaser of what they are capable of. the true workers who believe in bringing change will keep working, while the facebook tabdeeli razakars will moan for 5 years and cuss the jaahil qaum, and jump on the bandwagon again when the time is right.
 
tanzeel said:
What a load of crap. Taliban aren't even I'm KP, they're in FATA and only manage to sneak in every once in a while to set up a bomb in Peshawar or some other major city. The more likely transformation is that of Pakistan into Quetta at the LEJ's hands given that they're now officially in power for all practical purposes. Punjab will be relatively safer since these animals chose to operate out of there but target minorities elsewhere. They did so with the support and backing of the N league which, in a month, will be sitting in Islamabad and Lahore so things will get worse for the rest of the country.
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It does make one wonder how they can ''sneak'' into Peshawar without having sympathies in the city. Hardcore Talibans in the city are in extremly low numbers, granted, but isn't that how it works? To produce this little core from ''conversion'', you have to possess a bit higher number of financial support, a significant number of people who hate America without being Talibans and an even higher number of religious people.

This argument of ''It's all FATA'' is somehow close to ''Nazis were the bad guys, Wehrmacht was primarly composed of innocious young people defending their country''.
 
shan said:
Ignore Geo, follow ary.
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coy0607 said:
ARY saying PML-N is around 80 so far and all their experts keep saying best case is 90 seats.. they will need serious coalition, in fact they are talking about a possible MQM/PML-N/independents coalition
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If PMLN is only 80 and PTI and PPP are only 40 each, where are the rest of the seats going? Indian channels are also reporting numbers similar to geo and they are seldom wrong on these matters
 
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Guys Geo reports are correct because they have a big team working with them. ARY team is pro PTI.

These are not confirmed seats but still PML-N clearly leading
 
GentleMan said:
i think a lot of PTI supporters on this forum belong to the facebook crowd which wants instant gratification. probably they joined the call for change because every youth wants their revolution, their che guevara moment..without knowing what and how the change will be brought. it is this crowd that has that sense of entitlement. true revolutionaries know that change is not that easy and the path is challenging..they will put their head down and keep working hard for the next 5 years. previously they only had jalsas to show..now they actually have mandate in KPK to give a teaser of what they are capable of. the true workers who believe in bringing change will keep working, while the facebook tabdeeli razakars will moan for 5 years and cuss the jaahil qaum, and jump on the bandwagon again when the time is right.
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You are quite right. But, 5 years from now, the conditions of the country might be worse and people will have even higher hopes. Already, they expect Imran Khan to solve debt issues, bureaucratic power, military influence, extremism, load-shedding,... in 1 year's time. It's true that he made those promises but that's because he knows that, like you said, people want instant grantification and will vote for him if they see him as a source for that.

It's not just Facebook young crowd, old expat uncles hold the exact same speeches. I guess that comes from the boredom of being away from Pakistan, hence the excessive political interest. People will vote in UK or USA without knowing their candidates/programmes but will know that, in NA-105, Yasir Khan, brother-in-law of fallana Raja and grandson of Fazal Khan won, although they don't have vote.
 
insaftak said:
PTI's mandate in Karachi is stolen by MQM and PMLN in Lahore. Massive rigging.
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True this. PTI could have atleast given a good run for the money if not win in some constituencies. But sadly, we couldn't even see that.
 
Pak_Jazba said:
4 seats in Peshawar only. KPK has 35 seats in total.
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The thread was created in a hurry when they won all the first 4 nashistein.

Mods please edit the title to a more suitable heading.
 
Doesn't matter now. PTI has officially accepted the result and congratulated PML-N

Asad Umar and Dr. Mazari said it on TV.
 
There is no way PMLN wins NA 125, NA 126... I refuse to accept this. PTI leadership needs to come out and protest!
 
Pak_Jazba said:
So what would be the best course of action if it turns out to be 85-40?
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Independents will play a huge part. Many could side with PML-N if they expect them to form a government. MQM+PML-N would be a given. As are other little parties, maybe PML-Q will reunite.

Khiani and Bueaucracy, hopefully, will put pressure for a compromise if they don't have other plans.

Second elections is a big no, it would be a disastrous.
 
insaftak said:
PTI's mandate in Karachi is stolen by MQM and PMLN in Lahore. Massive rigging.
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Bro we are not living in 80's. MQM rigging is exposed courtsey media but In Punjab we knew that which rigging ways are used and we have some politicians who have participated in elections before like Hashmi,Qureshi etc
So PTI failed to make a counter strategy to stop rigging.PTI is not violent like PML-N but atleast we could have manged with some rigging proofs to use it later for disqualification but PTI failed in this regard.
 
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