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Pakistan finish on 126/5 at Stumps on rain-hit Day 1 of 2nd Test against England

Abid needs to capitalise on the drops now by getting big hundred.
 
Azar ali wowww what a beautiful waft...i meann why are you hanging you bat ..somehow we have done v well herr
 
Abid must have to cash on this - couple of regulation dropped. Stokes absence at 2nd slip already has cost Poms.
 
Why is Azhar smiling? Come on man, get your head down and bat for your country! Pakistan have been a soft side since Misbah became influential!
 
Abid Ali will not be the first and won’t be the last to be dropped ! He now needs to make it count . Anything less than 50 for him now will be criminal especially as he was dropped once in the second innings of the last test as well.
 
Abid has gotten two chances. He has to make it count.

Also I think Azhar should be an opening batsman not a number three.
 
If Abid Ali doesn't score atleast 50 here, he deserves to be dropped. Forever.
 
Not sure what Pakistan has to do to overtake England in Tests. Both seem equally poor. one is ranked 7 and the other is ranked top 3.

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Playing 14 overs with loss of one wicket is a decent start. Ball is still moving so these two should ideally stick around for longer
 
Pakistan had luck at Old Trafford but didn't capitalise. They need to cash in on these drops here.
 
I wonder who did Wasim have a chat with this morning. Probably Fawad.
 
Rana said:
Not sure what Pakistan has to do to overtake England in Tests. Both seem equally poor. one is ranked 7 and the other is ranked top 3.

bizarre ICC rankings
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England won in South Africa and beat India at home. Yes, they are as bad as we are.
 
Mamoon said:
Pujara also averages around 50.

Masood will not get anywhere close to that figure even if he practices for 24 hours a day. He doesn’t have the base talent required to excel at the top level.

Investing in him is a waste of time unless Pakistan is content with its 7th ranking and making a sub 35 average player captain.
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So:
Shan is a waste of time
Sami Aslam is a strokeless wonder (so was Sir Cook but you're as biased as they come)
Abid has never faced swing
Fakhar isn't test quality
Imam is parchi

Who would you select then? KL Rahul?
 
Abid Ali will not do well in swinging conditions. No matter how much runs he scores today he has edged two balls nicely to slips and this will happen every game.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
So:
Shan is a waste of time
Sami Aslam is a strokeless wonder (so was Sir Cook but you're as biased as they come)
Abid has never faced swing
Fakhar isn't test quality
Imam is parchi

Who would you select then? KL Rahul?
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According to him no name Indian players are also better than us
 
Gullycricket said:
Actually all teams barring Aussies are poor
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But England are vulnerable at home also. Pakistan are a clearly better side than them home and away since 2010. I don't understand how Pakistan mess up their rankings so bad that they cannot hover above England like they really should.
 
Irregardless of what he does in this game [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] there’s no way you can rate Curran
 
Rana said:
Not sure what Pakistan has to do to overtake England in Tests. Both seem equally poor. one is ranked 7 and the other is ranked top 3.

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Eng overall definitely hasnt looked as good as the rankings suggest but, thing is they have been winning matches in recent times and winning takes you up the rankings. If Pak wouldnt have lost home series in UAE against Srl and NZ, it would have been in the too 3-4. Even not loosing against NZ alone would have made Pak jump to top 3 then and would have been probably 4 around now.

Its not difficult, you just need to win matches and cant afford to loose too many home series in between.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
So:
Shan is a waste of time
Sami Aslam is a strokeless wonder (so was Sir Cook but you're as biased as they come)
Abid has never faced swing
Fakhar isn't test quality
Imam is parchi

Who would you select then? KL Rahul?
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He'd pick

Imran Farhat
Yasir Hameed
Kamran Akmal
Faisal Iqbal
Add the last one yourself

:))
 
Mueez said:
Abid has gotten two chances. He has to make it count.

Also I think Azhar should be an opening batsman not a number three.
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Azhar should have stayed as an opening batsman a few years ago when he was scoring well at that position and we were in need of an opener. Now he should probably just be dropped.
 
DandyFellow said:
Abid Ali will not do well in swinging conditions. No matter how much runs he scores today he has edged two balls nicely to slips and this will happen every game.
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Called it before the series. We only have one decent overseas opener which is Shan.
Maybe Sami Aslam could come back into the fold.
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
So:
Shan is a waste of time
Sami Aslam is a strokeless wonder (so was Sir Cook but you're as biased as they come)
Abid has never faced swing
Fakhar isn't test quality
Imam is parchi

Who would you select then? KL Rahul?
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Sir Cook scored 10,000+ runs with 30+ hundreds. Is it biased for me to not put Aslam in the same category? I don’t seem to understand your thought process.

And there are no world class openers in Pakistan. It is one of the many, many reasons why we are garbage.

By all means keep Masood in the team and make him captain but at least don’t pretend that he is any good. Just accept that he is a mediocre player opening for a mediocre team.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Irregardless of what he does in this game [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] there’s no way you can rate Curran
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He is quite a good all-rounder cricketer (miles ahead of our two much celebrated all-rounders) but he cannot be first choice in the presence of Stokes and Woakes.

But it is a luxury to have someone like him as backup.
 
Junaids said:
You drew 2-2 in England in 2016.
You drew 1-1 in England in 2018.
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And what did we do in South Africa in spite of you laying the framework of how we were going to whitewash their aging side?
 
It's much harder for Pakistan this time with no Archer to come on as first change and bowl 85mph bouncers to remove some of the pressure.

Good bowling by Curran and Woakes here. Continued swing and threatening the stumps from both ends.
 
Titan24 said:
Eng overall definitely hasnt looked as good as the rankings suggest but, thing is they have been winning matches in recent times and winning takes you up the rankings. If Pak wouldnt have lost home series in UAE against Srl and NZ, it would have been in the too 3-4. Even not loosing against NZ alone would have made Pak jump to top 3 then and would have been probably 4 around now.

Its not difficult, you just need to win matches and cant afford to loose too many home series in between.
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Im going to give Pakistan the benefit of the doubt for losing those two series without Younis and Misbah for the first time. Its as good as taking out the core spine of your side. Can you imagine playing your first series without:

Root and Stokes
Kane and Ross
Kohli and Pujara
Smith and Warner (who enabled India to fluke an away victory in Australia)
 
Junaids said:
My Pakistan Test eleven would be:

1. Sami Aslam
2. Imran Butt
3. Shan Masood (c)
4. Babar Azam
5. Asad Shafiq (replaced soon by Haider Ali)
6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
7. Shadab Khan
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Mohammad Amir or Mohammad Abbas
10. Naseem Shah or Haris Rauf
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi

My only players over 30 are Shan Masood and Shafiq, and Shafiq is my next guy to be replaced by a youngster.
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Very foolish to field this kind of a XI. Sorry, but this is stupid.
 
Mamoon said:
Sir Cook scored 10,000+ runs with 30+ hundreds. Is it biased for me to not put Aslam in the same category? I don’t seem to understand your thought process.

And there are no world class openers in Pakistan. It is one of the many, many reasons why we are garbage.

By all means keep Masood in the team and make him captain but at least don’t pretend that he is any good. Just accept that he is a mediocre player opening for a mediocre team.
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+1 ... you on fire today Mamoon.
@ Hadi By the way, Shan is a bigger parchi than Imam. Imam has better stats in FC.
 
Butler, Woakes and Curren will humiliate this old and mediocre team.

Only one less than 30 Batsman.
 
Mamoon said:
Sir Cook scored 10,000+ runs with 30+ hundreds. Is it biased for me to not put Aslam in the same category? I don’t seem to understand your thought process.

And there are no world class openers in Pakistan. It is one of the many, many reasons why we are garbage.

By all means keep Masood in the team and make him captain but at least don’t pretend that he is any good. Just accept that he is a mediocre player opening for a mediocre team.
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I really thought you were sharper than that.

I was implying that an opener can still go on to score 10,000 test runs with very limited strokeplay as long as you know your off-stump and have the right temperament and patience/grit.

Btw, "mediocre batsman" was the 2nd highest scorer in SA test series from either side.
 
TBF, Pakistan have competed hard in England! England have hardly reciprocated the same passion and courage away against Pakistan.
 
Woakes is the perfect cricketer at least for English conditions. A genuine team man who never complains when he is dropped undeservingly time and time again, and his consistency with the ball is exceptional.

He would have been very valuable even if he wasn’t half good with the bat.
 
Rana said:
Im going to give Pakistan the benefit of the doubt for losing those two series without Younis and Misbah for the first time. Its as good as taking out the core spine of your side. Can you imagine playing your first series without:

Root and Stokes
Kane and Ross
Kohli and Pujara
Smith and Warner (who enabled India to fluke an away victory in Australia)
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Yes that definitely plays a role when your two most experienced players retire. I was expecting Azhar and Asad to stand up but yes we can give benefit of the doubt.
 
Woakes is now the new Clouderson for Pakistan. Curran my develop into one by the next series at home for England.
 
Wake up call for Abid, a pretty uneasy one I would say.
 
2 very very poor teams just need to look at the dropped catches & both team openers!!
 
Forward Defensive Push said:
Miserable batting by Abid so far.. don't we have any better batsmen than him in domestic?
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According to stat no opener in england does well that includes Aus, SA, India, which we believe are batting powerhouses and have so called match winners. Come on.

I am not saying he is a good batsman, i dont know. I havent seen him play.
 
Abid bhai is an incredibly generous person. If you don’t get him out in these conditions first thing, he’ll continue giving you more chances.
 
Archer express not playing today?

England missing his 88mph thunderbolts
 
Hadi Rizvi said:
I really thought you were sharper than that.

I was implying that an opener can still go on to score 10,000 test runs with very limited strokeplay as long as you know your off-stump and have the right temperament and patience/grit.

Btw, "mediocre batsman" was the 2nd highest scorer in SA test series from either side.
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You are actually very wrong if you think knowing where your off-stump is and having temperament and patience is all that it takes to score 10,000 runs and 30+ hundreds.

I keep saying Pakistani players and fans do not understand cricket and such posts reaffirm that notion.

If you scurry through county cricket, you will find an opener in nearly every side that knows where his off-stump is and is patient, but a highly prolific opener like Cook comes every 15-20 years for England.

Sami Aslam is better than Masood but not in the 10,000+ runs and 30+ hundreds category. We have no opener in that league in Pakistan today and only one batsman overall (Babar).

And mediocrity is not relative. If you average 30 while everyone else does worse, you still had a poor series.

Shan Masood is mediocre because he will never take his career average above 35. He is just an inferior version of Azhar and Shafiq.
 
Pakistan have done very well so far.
In such overcast and humid conditions and against an attack of highest quality...it doesn't get much tougher than this.
Many other teams would have been easily 4 down by now...credit to the batters here
 
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