PCB vs BCCI MoU case: BCCI seeks 15 cr ($2m) legal fee from PCB [Post #375]

[Abid Z]

This isnt a religious war so keep your silly comments off this thread. No one is arrogant but protecting their business interests

I don’t think anybody mentioned religious war.

It’s just business and the losing party often pays the legal costs of the winning party. But I think in the end commonsense must prevail. The judgement does state it could have gone either way and the mou was binding except that it was only the first step towards other 3 conditions that would have made it a legal contract. I think it’s not uncommon for parties to agree their own costs. Just very sad set of proceedings. Their is no bigger draw in Asian cricket than an India Pakistan clash. Both parties should be seeking out neutral venues to make this happen and if bilateral is the issue then a three nation test series could easily be discussed.

 

[MenInG]

I don’t think anybody mentioned religious war.

It’s just business and the losing party often pays the legal costs of the winning party. But I think in the end commonsense must prevail. The judgement does state it could have gone either way and the mou was binding except that it was only the first step towards other 3 conditions that would have made it a legal contract. I think it’s not uncommon for parties to agree their own costs. Just very sad set of proceedings. Their is no bigger draw in Asian cricket than an India Pakistan clash. Both parties should be seeking out neutral venues to make this happen and if bilateral is the issue then a three nation test series could easily be discussed.

I was referring to above poster calling PCB arrogant.

 

[Varun]

Eventually if PCB ends up paying for legal expenses, the whole of PSL Season profits will have to be used up. This is hilarious. You try to extort money and end up losing profits from your marquee event.

In business terms, the PCB come off as a juvenile entity. If they had minority shareholders, their stock would have tanked at the mention of this latest twist in the saga.

 

[Ummii]

This is really embarrassing for PCB

 

[Nov15]

I'm predicting the DRC will order PCB to pay $2 million to BCCI. Fearing media/public backlash, PCB won't pay & might threaten to pull out of the World Cup. ICC will tell BCCI to let it go for the time being. PCB will eventually settle the amount if & when BCCI agrees to play a bilateral series.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

2 Million is nothing for BCCI, Team India should have sparred PCB and try to build a new relationship. If the current affair continues I don’t see any future bilateral tours, next 20 years no more tours.

 

[Ummii]

2 Million is nothing for BCCI, Team India should have sparred PCB and try to build a new relationship. If the current affair continues I don’t see any future bilateral tours, next 20 years no more tours.

After Indian election many things will be changed if current Govt fails to win next elections

 

[Sachin136]

2 Million is nothing for BCCI, Team India should have sparred PCB and try to build a new relationship. If the current affair continues I don’t see any future bilateral tours, next 20 years no more tours.

Why would the BCCI want to build a new relationship with the PCB?

 

[Hitman]

2 Million is nothing for BCCI, Team India should have sparred PCB and try to build a new relationship. If the current affair continues I don’t see any future bilateral tours, next 20 years no more tours.

Would they have refused to play any bilateral series with Pakistan if they indeed wanted to build any relationship with them?

 

[Mp812]

Would they have refused to play any bilateral series with Pakistan if they indeed wanted to build any relationship with them?

Let me get this in right order if i understood it right.
First PCB sues BCCI based on a MoU (which legally speaking is just as good as verbal) for getting 80 million dollars. They loose.
Now BCCI is suing PCB for legal fees.
To counter that fans want PCB to sue their legal team ( lets call it Jon and Cain LLP) which helped sue BCCI.
Cool
Have those fans considered possibility that the legal team aka Jon and Cain LLP, if it wins against PCb will then sue PCB again for damages and that amount will be a way lot than what BCCI is asking. not to forget that seeing what Jon and Cain LLP are going through after representing PCB in first place, not many lawyers will be willing to take a chance represent PCB cause in first place against Jon and Cain LLP.

 

[Ganju Baba]

I'm predicting the DRC will order PCB to pay $2 million to BCCI. Fearing media/public backlash, PCB won't pay & might threaten to pull out of the World Cup. ICC will tell BCCI to let it go for the time being. PCB will eventually settle the amount if & when BCCI agrees to play a bilateral series.

So in this scenario of yours everybody gets what they want except BCCI despite the fact they if they win, they are legally and morally entitled to the legal expenses.

Further ICC can coerce BCCI on behalf of PCB.

If you really believe this to be true, I have a barely used bridge in New York to sell, are you interested?

 

[Birdman]

I'm predicting the DRC will order PCB to pay $2 million to BCCI. Fearing media/public backlash, PCB won't pay & might threaten to pull out of the World Cup. ICC will tell BCCI to let it go for the time being. PCB will eventually settle the amount if & when BCCI agrees to play a bilateral series.

In your dream world BCCI will agree to play bilateral series for 2 million dollars.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Its not a huge amount. A top player makes roughly the same money by playing one premier league season. It’s peanuts for PCB. They should have no trouble paying this amount.

 

[Sachin136]

Its not a huge amount. A top player makes roughly the same money by playing one premier league season. It’s peanuts for PCB. They should have no trouble paying this amount.

For the PCB I don't think it is a small amount.

 

[Bhaijaan]

For the PCB I don't think it is a small amount.

They make a lot of money. They are currently the second richest and strongest board.

 

[PakLFC]

Hard luck for the PCB. When you take one side to court there is always a chance that the show will end up on the other foot. No conspiracy theories here, we just lost. Could be that we didn't present our case the way we should have. The PCB can't get anything right.

 

[Itachi]

For the PCB I don't think it is a small amount.

PCB doesn't live off on ICC unlike BCCI who is dependent on ICC hand out. I think PCB can meet the money easily.

 

[MMHS]

BCCI MUST make PCB to pay the amount including interest, to keep the record straight - otherwise few years later we'll read how PCB tamed BCCI ....... This should teach a lesson to the most hypocrite & incompetent board with lots of attitude a good lesson.

After that, they should donate the amount to orphanage

 

[KingKhanWC]

BCCI MUST make PCB to pay the amount including interest, to keep the record straight - otherwise few years later we'll read how PCB tamed BCCI ....... This should teach a lesson to the most hypocrite & incompetent board with lots of attitude a good lesson.

After that, they should donate the amount to orphanage

PCB should take up the challenge and make BCCI pay them out. If BCCI can't they should walk away and donate through their own pockets because it's their Indian kids not Pakistani kids.

PCB should refuse to pay, nothing can be done.

 

[MMHS]

PCB should take up the challenge and make BCCI pay them out. If BCCI can't they should walk away and donate through their own pockets because it's their Indian kids not Pakistani kids.

PCB should refuse to pay, nothing can be done.

It'll be a great contest - not much contest left in Cricket field, so this will keep PP server warm.

Personally I think BCCI has done this to troll PCB and make them a laughing stalk for neutrals, who were waiting on the wings to see where the fun ends.

If PCB has any shame and accountability on their end as a professional organization and flag bearer of a former world champion, they should immediately call BCCI for settlement and pay the amount to close the book for ever. May be, they can use a 3rd party to negotiate the amount(ACC can come, Papon is a crook but guy is a qualified deal breaker - can help in this case if he has some fayda from it), because it's only in PakPassion where PCB is the 2nd richest Board in Asia with million dollar deals waiting as a low hanging fruit ..... which I am sure BCCI will listen - there is no fun in kicking the belly of a floored opponent on mat.

 

[octavian]

An MoU is not legally-binding, and first accepting that as some sort of guarantee, and then suing the BCCI on the MoU's basis are two of the most stupidest thing you can do.

Everyone knew that BCCI had no intention of playing Pakistan. If they did, they would have signed a legally binding contract. They just dangled that carrot to get the PCB to vote for big three.

Agreed that this is the PCB's fault that they fell for that. However, BCCI's character has shown to be that of a lying and cheating prostitute who will do anything to get her way.

The mighty BCCI does't need PCB, but wouldn't stop being a deceitful despicable little gollum when the time calls for it. Honor and integrity are virtues not valued any more.

 

[Sachin136]

They make a lot of money. They are currently the second richest and strongest board.

"The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) on Monday presented its budget for the financial year 2018-19 and claimed a healthy financial position, showing an income of Rs 6.4 billion and expenses amounting Rs 5.7 billion which means a net income of Rs 700million."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1420497

Their yearly profit is 700,000,000 Pakistani rupees, which comes out to just over $5,000,000. How are they the second richest board?

 

[Sachin136]

An MoU is not legally-binding, and first accepting that as some sort of guarantee, and then suing the BCCI on the MoU's basis are two of the most stupidest thing you can do.

Everyone knew that BCCI had no intention of playing Pakistan. If they did, they would have signed a legally binding contract. They just dangled that carrot to get the PCB to vote for big three.

Agreed that this is the PCB's fault that they fell for that. However, BCCI's character has shown to be that of a lying and cheating prostitute who will do anything to get her way.

The mighty BCCI does't need PCB, but wouldn't stop being a deceitful despicable little gollum when the time calls for it. Honor and integrity are virtues not valued any more.

Did you miss the whole part where the BCCI needed the government's approval, which didn't go through? Promising something (pending on approval of the government), and then reneging when that doesn't happen, doesn't mean that they don't have integrity.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Did you miss the whole part where the BCCI needed the government's approval, which didn't go through? Promising something (pending on approval of the government), and then reneging when that doesn't happen, doesn't mean that they don't have integrity.

BCCI has close ties with the Government, why is the Indian Government so much against Pakistan? It's only a sport which can bring the nations together.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

"The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) on Monday presented its budget for the financial year 2018-19 and claimed a healthy financial position, showing an income of Rs 6.4 billion and expenses amounting Rs 5.7 billion which means a net income of Rs 700million."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1420497

Their yearly profit is 700,000,000 Pakistani rupees, which comes out to just over $5,000,000. How are they the second richest board?

Do you have a list of the Richest Board in 2018? I am just curious

 

[KingKhanWC]

It'll be a great contest - not much contest left in Cricket field, so this will keep PP server warm.

Personally I think BCCI has done this to troll PCB and make them a laughing stalk for neutrals, who were waiting on the wings to see where the fun ends.

If PCB has any shame and accountability on their end as a professional organization and flag bearer of a former world champion, they should immediately call BCCI for settlement and pay the amount to close the book for ever. May be, they can use a 3rd party to negotiate the amount(ACC can come, Papon is a crook but guy is a qualified deal breaker - can help in this case if he has some fayda from it), because it's only in PakPassion where PCB is the 2nd richest Board in Asia with million dollar deals waiting as a low hanging fruit ..... which I am sure BCCI will listen - there is no fun in kicking the belly of a floored opponent on mat.

PCB should simply refuse to pay because there is no bilateral series, therefore nothing to lose. BCCI stated it wanted to play knowing full well they wont, so the PCB should give them equal treatment. End ties, never speak to each other again and have it out in ICC tournaments. In the end this will favour the PCB, now they can stop worrying about playing India and concentrate on other things.

 

[octavian]

Did you miss the whole part where the BCCI needed the government's approval, which didn't go through? Promising something (pending on approval of the government), and then reneging when that doesn't happen, doesn't mean that they don't have integrity.

Every man on this planet knew that Government approval was never coming. People are much smarter than you think Sachin136. I don't think even you believe in BCCI's lies.

Do you remember that BCCI's women's team refused to play Pakistan in an ICC tournament and had to forfeit points? You are telling me that the same BCCI wanted to play Pakisatan in a bi-lateral series.

 

[octavian]

BCCI has close ties with the Government, why is the Indian Government so much against Pakistan? It's only a sport which can bring the nations together.

That is indeed a wonderful question.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Did you miss the whole part where the BCCI needed the government's approval, which didn't go through? Promising something (pending on approval of the government), and then reneging when that doesn't happen, doesn't mean that they don't have integrity.

Lol pretty much everyone knew the approval was never coming even before PCB accepted this rubbish MOU. Everyone here was scathing in their criticism of Najam Sethi at the time for cutting a deal with the BCCI, when everyone in India and Pakistan knew that BCCI had made complete fools out of PCB. You can revisit the thread at the time.

Sethi has made quite a few bucks through this lawsuit though I’m pretty certain. Doubt he will even bat an eye-lid for the consequences PCB will have to bear further. This is just the start of the mockery PCB will now unfortunately be subjected to.

 

[MMHS]

PCB should simply refuse to pay because there is no bilateral series, therefore nothing to lose. BCCI stated it wanted to play knowing full well they wont, so the PCB should give them equal treatment. End ties, never speak to each other again and have it out in ICC tournaments. In the end this will favour the PCB, now they can stop worrying about playing India and concentrate on other things.

Like PCB, you are confused as well. In one post, you are expecting a change in Govt. at Delhi should pave the way for future bilaterals, which suggests you do agree that it's GoI behind the denial (of bilateral), rather than BCCI; then this. Your stand in the saga is contradictory within one page of PakPassion, and I am sure PCB didn't know exactly what they wanted to achieve from this. Or may be it was a deliberate ploy by Nazam Sethi to satisfy naive PAK fans that he is doing lot and kept BCCI under cosh - the guy knows how to use media and it bought him time & space (money as well - legal bills are often out of Audit scopes .

It was always loose loose situation for PCB, but sadly they didn't realize how light their weight is in bigger perspective of world cricket. They should have understood something from the way UAE Cricket Board showed them their true worth regarding ground sharing and allocating PAK's best venue (Sharjah) to AFG League, then Masters League & T10 League!!!

In the end, it'll not favor PCB, because they have already bolted the horse - it would have benefited had they waited for the appropriate time and keep building relationship/money from other sources, instead of thinking too big of themselves. You probably know the golden rule - "best time to search for a job is when you are in a job". PCB has already been sacked, now it's time to update resume and start from scratch, won't be easy.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI has close ties with the Government, why is the Indian Government so much against Pakistan? It's only a sport which can bring the nations together.

India and Pakistan are not friendly countries. The Govt wants nothing to do with Pakistan. So Pakistanis,PCB,Pak Govt should also just forget about it and continue their lives.Thats best.

 

[Sidilicious]

PCB should simply refuse to pay because there is no bilateral series, therefore nothing to lose. BCCI stated it wanted to play knowing full well they wont, so the PCB should give them equal treatment. End ties, never speak to each other again and have it out in ICC tournaments. In the end this will favour the PCB, now they can stop worrying about playing India and concentrate on other things.

Even if PCB refuses to pay BCCI, BCCI can simply have the ICC revenues to PCB blocked or the $2mn deducted from it..

So, if PCB loses this case, they will pay no matter what.

 

[Savak]

An MoU is not legally-binding, and first accepting that as some sort of guarantee, and then suing the BCCI on the MoU's basis are two of the most stupidest thing you can do.

Everyone knew that BCCI had no intention of playing Pakistan. If they did, they would have signed a legally binding contract. They just dangled that carrot to get the PCB to vote for big three.

Agreed that this is the PCB's fault that they fell for that. However, BCCI's character has shown to be that of a lying and cheating prostitute who will do anything to get her way.

The mighty BCCI does't need PCB, but wouldn't stop being a deceitful despicable little gollum when the time calls for it. Honor and integrity are virtues not valued any more.

If this episode does not teach the PCB that it needs to think outside the box and stop depending on the BCCI for that one big once in a life time financial injection, then nothing else will.

 

[Savak]

"The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) on Monday presented its budget for the financial year 2018-19 and claimed a healthy financial position, showing an income of Rs 6.4 billion and expenses amounting Rs 5.7 billion which means a net income of Rs 700million."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1420497

Their yearly profit is 700,000,000 Pakistani rupees, which comes out to just over $5,000,000. How are they the second richest board?

The real question is these are the numbers that the PCB can achieve with zero international cricket in Pakistan, zero home series against India, having to constantly pay out of pocket to host teams in the UAE, then what would these numbers look like if the entire PSL was in Pakistan and if international teams were consistently playing in Pakistan.

The fact the pcb has not only managed to stay afloat but hold its own with all these problems for the last 10-15-20 years since 9/11 is nothing short of remarkable given that boards like Sri Lanka inspite of so many advantages have had to face debts, bankruptcy and requested the govt for a bail out

 

[Savak]

Did you miss the whole part where the BCCI needed the government's approval, which didn't go through? Promising something (pending on approval of the government), and then reneging when that doesn't happen, doesn't mean that they don't have integrity.

A legitimate feeling of deceit can be felt given that the BCCI knew that this govt permission would not be forthcoming but they deliberately chose to lead the PCB on with promises of future tours

 

[KingKhanWC]

Like PCB, you are confused as well. In one post, you are expecting a change in Govt. at Delhi should pave the way for future bilaterals, which suggests you do agree that it's GoI behind the denial (of bilateral), rather than BCCI; then this. Your stand in the saga is contradictory within one page of PakPassion, and I am sure PCB didn't know exactly what they wanted to achieve from this. Or may be it was a deliberate ploy by Nazam Sethi to satisfy naive PAK fans that he is doing lot and kept BCCI under cosh - the guy knows how to use media and it bought him time & space (money as well - legal bills are often out of Audit scopes .

It was always loose loose situation for PCB, but sadly they didn't realize how light their weight is in bigger perspective of world cricket. They should have understood something from the way UAE Cricket Board showed them their true worth regarding ground sharing and allocating PAK's best venue (Sharjah) to AFG League, then Masters League & T10 League!!!

In the end, it'll not favor PCB, because they have already bolted the horse - it would have benefited had they waited for the appropriate time and keep building relationship/money from other sources, instead of thinking too big of themselves. You probably know the golden rule - "best time to search for a job is when you are in a job". PCB has already been sacked, now it's time to update resume and start from scratch, won't be easy.

I think it's more to do with your lack of understanding of Indian politics. The BCCI never wanted to play Pakistan because the BJP government didnt want to. If the government changes, their stance changes, so will the BCCI.

Even if PCB refuses to pay BCCI, BCCI can simply have the ICC revenues to PCB blocked or the $2mn deducted from it..

So, if PCB loses this case, they will pay no matter what.

Can you show me any evidence this is possible and any precident? The ICC can't force PCB to pay another board or take it upon themselves to withold any funds.

 

[MMHS]

I think it's more to do with your lack of understanding of Indian politics. The BCCI never wanted to play Pakistan because the BJP government didnt want to. If the government changes, their stance changes, so will the BCCI.



Can you show me any evidence this is possible and any precident? The ICC can't force PCB to pay another board or take it upon themselves to withold any funds.

I definitely don’t have enough understanding of Indian politics, but I think every democratic country is run by a policy, and that policy on national interest doesn’t change much. BJP Govt. came in power in 2014, but during last 3 years of Congress Govt., I don’t see there was any progress regarding bilateral series and I don’t think if Govt. changes next year, India’s stand will change much in this regard - not so early and definitely not so close after the royal job done by PCB.

And, once again I am asking to fix your stand here - if it’s due to BJP Govt.’s policy not to play PAK, then there was absolutely no reason for PCB to take BCCI to court. Or, if it’s due to BCCI’s unwillingness, then Govt.’s policy doesn’t matter much and won’t matter much in future either. It can’t be both correct - my understanding of Indian politics has very little to do with it.

 

[octavian]

I definitely don’t have enough understanding of Indian politics, but I think every democratic country is run by a policy, and that policy on national interest doesn’t change much. BJP Govt. came in power in 2014, but during last 3 years of Congress Govt., I don’t see there was any progress regarding bilateral series and I don’t think if Govt. changes next year, India’s stand will change much in this regard - not so early and definitely not so close after the royal job done by PCB.

And, once again I am asking to fix your stand here - if it’s due to BJP Govt.’s policy not to play PAK, then there was absolutely no reason for PCB to take BCCI to court. Or, if it’s due to BCCI’s unwillingness, then Govt.’s policy doesn’t matter much and won’t matter much in future either. It can’t be both correct - my understanding of Indian politics has very little to do with it.

I have absolutely no idea how you this makes any sense? PCB or any other organization couldn't care less why another organization wouldn't honor a written contract.

Admittedly, PCB had no legally-binding contract to begin with, and they had no case; so understandably they lost the case. Government policy has nothing to do with it.

KingKhanWC only said that hopefully in the future the political climate changes and both the countries move towards more amicable relationships. Which any sane man would hope for. I have no idea you how managed to twist this simple statement into thousand little meaningless words.

 

[Sachin136]

I have absolutely no idea how you this makes any sense? PCB or any other organization couldn't care less why another organization wouldn't honor a written contract.

Admittedly, PCB had no legally-binding contract to begin with, and they had no case; so understandably they lost the case. Government policy has nothing to do with it.

KingKhanWC only said that hopefully in the future the political climate changes and both the countries move towards more amicable relationships. Which any sane man would hope for. I have no idea you how managed to twist this simple statement into thousand little meaningless words.

Not that it really matters in this case, but that is not why they lost. Please take a look at the verdict.

 

[Savak]

Not that it really matters in this case, but that is not why they lost. Please take a look at the verdict.

I believe the ICC concluded that while the BCCI had a moral obligation to fulfil the MOU, it had no legal obligation and ofcourse the ICC was powerless in the face of the political climate between India and Pakistan. I felt some of the comments in the judgement was unnecessary i.e. India had no real need to play Pakistan wheras Pakistan had an absolute need to play against India. My only objection to the verdict even if it was correct was the fact it appears to have been completely written by the BCCI rather than a fair impartial nuetral body or arbitrator.

 

[Tusker]

I believe the ICC concluded that while the BCCI had a moral obligation to fulfil the MOU, it had no legal obligation and ofcourse the ICC was powerless in the face of the political climate between India and Pakistan. I felt some of the comments in the judgement was unnecessary i.e. India had no real need to play Pakistan wheras Pakistan had an absolute need to play against India. My only objection to the verdict even if it was correct was the fact it appears to have been completely written by the BCCI rather than a fair impartial nuetral body or arbitrator.

As I have told you before numerous Pakistani posters here on this forum had also said the same thing as what the eventual verdict was. You need to come to terms with reality.

 

[Mr. Cricket]

After Indian election many things will be changed if current Govt fails to win next elections

Nothing gonna change , it's the former government who took this decision. You should know the real reason, it's 26/11 and no govt in India want to take risk.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

I personally thinks BCCI should stay away from these type of legal matters, it only make realtion and matter worse. 2 million$ is not big amount for BCCI.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

India and Pakistan are not friendly countries. The Govt wants nothing to do with Pakistan. So Pakistanis,PCB,Pak Govt should also just forget about it and continue their lives.Thats best.

That’s the end of it then. Thanks for being straight to the point.

 

[Mr. Cricket]

PCB should understand India don't want to play cricket with Pakistan and neither indian public are desperate. We are more hyped for aus and eng matches rather than pak.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think it's more to do with your lack of understanding of Indian politics. The BCCI never wanted to play Pakistan because the BJP government didnt want to. If the government changes, their stance changes, so will the BCCI.



Can you show me any evidence this is possible and any precident? The ICC can't force PCB to pay another board or take it upon themselves to withold any funds.

Attitude towards Pakistan won't change if Congress government comes into power.

 

[Shandarchowka]

That would be PSL revenues for PSL4 I think!

This statement makes me feel very sad

Why can’t we we enjoy previleges of a decent nation? It almost feels powerless on this day. We have nothing going our way! We play no games and we’re paying back for just raising the point.. damn.. BCCI should look at our condition and just let it go

 

[MenInG]

A lot of very low quality personal stuff deleted

Dont post again.

 

[Varun]

The BCCI never wanted to play Pakistan because the BJP government didnt want to. If the government changes, their stance changes, so will the BCCI.

Of course, let's forget the small matter that India - Pakistan cricket series were held on a regular basis starting 2003/4 under the Vajpayee (BJP) government, and were suddenly culled during Manmohan Singh's (Congress) reign.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think it's more to do with your lack of understanding of Indian politics. The BCCI never wanted to play Pakistan because the BJP government didnt want to. If the government changes, their stance changes, so will the BCCI.



Can you show me any evidence this is possible and any precident? The ICC can't force PCB to pay another board or take it upon themselves to withold any funds.

The congress govt suspended cricketing ties way back in 2008. It was the congress era foreign minister Salman Khursheed whose testimony regarding why cricketing ties remain suspended helped the DRC rule in Bcci favour.

Can you show me any precedent of any other board moving the DRC againist another board? PCB agreed to the rules of DRC when they filed their case in the DRC.

 

[octavian]

The issue isn't political at all BJP or Congress government has nothing to do with it. Indian government and cricket board just wants to hurt Pakistan in every way possible. The mistake has made either not realizing and doing enough combat it or having people in charge who didn't care.

The sooner PCB realizes that we cannot expect anything positive from BCCI and look for ways to fight back, the better things will become. I hope PCB stops hoping for a goodwill gesture form the other side. Which I think they are finally waking up with this lawsuit.

I hope PCB starts to watch out for its own interests but I hope we never stoop to the levels of BCCI's deceitfulness and duplicity.

 

[JaDed]

The issue isn't political at all BJP or Congress government has nothing to do with it. Indian government and cricket board just wants to hurt Pakistan in every way possible. The mistake has made either not realizing and doing enough combat it or having people in charge who didn't care.

The sooner PCB realizes that we cannot expect anything positive from BCCI and look for ways to fight back, the better things will become. I hope PCB stops hoping for a goodwill gesture form the other side. Which I think they are finally waking up with this lawsuit.

I hope PCB starts to watch out for its own interests but I hope we never stoop to the levels of BCCI's deceitfulness and duplicity.

I hope BCCI never become as dumb as PCB and lol at suing BCCI and expecting goodwill.

 

[par]

Every man on this planet knew that Government approval was never coming. People are much smarter than you think Sachin136. I don't think even you believe in BCCI's lies.

Do you remember that BCCI's women's team refused to play Pakistan in an ICC tournament and had to forfeit points? You are telling me that the same BCCI wanted to play Pakisatan in a bi-lateral series.

True. Nobody believes in BCCI's lies. Except PCB.

 

[Garuda]

In a hindsight if I look at both the events

1. Supporting BCCI by PCB for Big 3, what options Mr. Sethi had ? Either he support India and had a chance of getting some series (even though he very well knew that it won't materialize). But by not supporting he was definitely not getting any. So he took a chance and to certain extent some fans agreed with his idea too.

2. After series didn't happen and suing BCCI : The options he had was not to take legal action and be blamed by fans for being timid/begging/not standing up etc etc. (I can't believe that he didn't know that he had almost no chance of winning)

or, take BCCI to court (at the expense of PCB money) and atleast have the image of someone who fought/stood up and a fighter. Personally, he is not loosing anything.

It seems to me he choose his personal image over PCB's interest.

I am a strong believer of "Never burn the bridge" attitude and even if I leave a job after a bad experience in an organisation, I try to keep the bridge intact.

Taking BCCI to court was a good decision morally/emotionally but a very very bad decision as an organisational POV for PCB.

 

[Rana]

Even if PCB refuses to pay BCCI, BCCI can simply have the ICC revenues to PCB blocked or the $2mn deducted from it..

So, if PCB loses this case, they will pay no matter what.

Lol it’s their Pyo’s money??

ICC has no legal right to block PCB’s cut from the revenues when the matter is between 2 separate boards. ICC have done well so far by staying out of it and they will continue to do so. The only way the ICC can block revenue is if it receives a legal order from the governing body that it is under. BCCI will have to dish out some money for that order to go through.

 

[Rana]

True. Nobody believes in BCCI's lies. Except PCB.

Pakistani’s and their biggest downfall is their big hearts. They believe anyone and anything

 

[Varun]

Lol it’s their Pyo’s money??

ICC has no legal right to block PCB’s cut from the revenues when the matter is between 2 separate boards. ICC have done well so far by staying out of it and they will continue to do so. The only way the ICC can block revenue is if it receives a legal order from the governing body that it is under. BCCI will have to dish out some money for that order to go through.

The ICC and the BCCI are synonymous. The former will do what the latter asks it to do, no questions asked.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol it’s their Pyo’s money??

ICC has no legal right to block PCB’s cut from the revenues when the matter is between 2 separate boards. ICC have done well so far by staying out of it and they will continue to do so. The only way the ICC can block revenue is if it receives a legal order from the governing body that it is under. BCCI will have to dish out some money for that order to go through.

Did you forget that PCB took this issue to the icc drc?

 

[par]

Lol it’s their Pyo’s money??

ICC has no legal right to block PCB’s cut from the revenues when the matter is between 2 separate boards. ICC have done well so far by staying out of it and they will continue to do so. The only way the ICC can block revenue is if it receives a legal order from the governing body that it is under. BCCI will have to dish out some money for that order to go through.

It was suggested in the early stages of this thread that after PCB has won the case, if BCCI refused to pay, ICC should pay PCB from BCCI's share of ICC money.

 

[Rana]

It was suggested in the early stages of this thread that after PCB has won the case, if BCCI refused to pay, ICC should pay PCB from BCCI's share of ICC money.

Did you forget that PCB took this issue to the icc drc?

The ICC and the BCCI are synonymous. The former will do what the latter asks it to do, no questions asked.

There is no way that a parent board (ICC) will cut the share of one of its subordinates (PCB) in order to reimburse another board for a legal dispute that it had to defend as the matter required serious questioning and BCCI chose to defend their case by hiring a legal firm. How is it PCB's fault that BCCI had to hire a legal firm to defend their case? If BCCI were so much in the right and the MOU held no real value then all they should have done was send the MOU in and maybe a written statement from their board to explain, a written response from the Government of India to further explain and maybe pay the flight tickets of their own attorney. This would not have costed them $2m, not even $50k. Instead the BCCI racked up the bill for their defense as they realised that they could well be in trouble here because realistically, the PCB were well within their rights to take up the matter on a legal basis.

ICC will implode if it bully's PCB to pay $2M to BCCI.

 

[navin]

The total loss to PCB would be more than $3 million as they themselves have wasted million dollars of theirs on the case.

 

[par]

There is no way that a parent board (ICC) will cut the share of one of its subordinates (PCB) in order to reimburse another board for a legal dispute that it had to defend as the matter required serious questioning and BCCI chose to defend their case by hiring a legal firm. How is it PCB's fault that BCCI had to hire a legal firm to defend their case? If BCCI were so much in the right and the MOU held no real value then all they should have done was send the MOU in and maybe a written statement from their board to explain, a written response from the Government of India to further explain and maybe pay the flight tickets of their own attorney. This would not have costed them $2m, not even $50k. Instead the BCCI racked up the bill for their defense as they realised that they could well be in trouble here because realistically, the PCB were well within their rights to take up the matter on a legal basis.

ICC will implode if it bully's PCB to pay $2M to BCCI.

I am aware of that. But before the roles were reversed (when it was supposed to be the turn of the BCCI to pay) some Pakistani posters here wanted ICC to do exactly that.

 

[Kaka_Hathrasi]

There is no way that a parent board (ICC) will cut the share of one of its subordinates (PCB) in order to reimburse another board for a legal dispute that it had to defend as the matter required serious questioning and BCCI chose to defend their case by hiring a legal firm. How is it PCB's fault that BCCI had to hire a legal firm to defend their case? If BCCI were so much in the right and the MOU held no real value then all they should have done was send the MOU in and maybe a written statement from their board to explain, a written response from the Government of India to further explain and maybe pay the flight tickets of their own attorney. This would not have costed them $2m, not even $50k. Instead the BCCI racked up the bill for their defense as they realised that they could well be in trouble here because realistically, the PCB were well within their rights to take up the matter on a legal basis.

ICC will implode if it bully's PCB to pay $2M to BCCI.

ICC wont get imploded as no one will oppose if ICC does this..None of the cricket boards will want themselves to face the same fate that PCB is facing by going against BCCI.

 

[Rana]

I am aware of that. But before the roles were reversed (when it was supposed to be the turn of the BCCI to pay) some Pakistani posters here wanted ICC to do exactly that.

What does the demands of some Pakistani posters have to do with the legal actions of what the ICC are bound to do?

ICC did not do anything because they were well within their legal boundaries to not get involved as the matter was delicate considering its strong ties to Indian Government approval.

 

[Birdman]

There is no way that a parent board (ICC) will cut the share of one of its subordinates (PCB) in order to reimburse another board for a legal dispute that it had to defend as the matter required serious questioning and BCCI chose to defend their case by hiring a legal firm. How is it PCB's fault that BCCI had to hire a legal firm to defend their case? If BCCI were so much in the right and the MOU held no real value then all they should have done was send the MOU in and maybe a written statement from their board to explain, a written response from the Government of India to further explain and maybe pay the flight tickets of their own attorney. This would not have costed them $2m, not even $50k. Instead the BCCI racked up the bill for their defense as they realised that they could well be in trouble here because realistically, the PCB were well within their rights to take up the matter on a legal basis.

ICC will implode if it bully's PCB to pay $2M to BCCI.

Wow that's amazing. I can't believe your thought process. You think when someone sues someone, they should not get legal representation. I don't know where you live, but here in the US it is considered reckless when you try to represent yourself in the court of law, even if you are an Attorney.
There are people here who make a living out of suing others, most of the time big corporations settle out of court because they don't want to waste their time.What BCCI doing is legally correct because this will prevent frivolous lawsuits in future.
Based on jurisdiction of this case, ICC can be ordered to garnish PCB's revenue. Either way, if BCCI wins the judgement against PCB, PCB will be indebted to BCCI.

 

[Rana]

ICC wont get imploded as no one will oppose if ICC does this..None of the cricket boards will want themselves to face the same fate that PCB is facing by going against BCCI.

But ICC wont do it, they are not legally bound to cut the handout of any board that follows their code of conduct. How has the PCB broken this code with the ICC?

 

[Rana]

Wow that's amazing. I can't believe your thought process. You think when someone sues someone, they should not get legal representation. I don't know where you live, but here in the US it is considered reckless when you try to represent yourself in the court of law, even if you are an Attorney.
There are people here who make a living out of suing others, most of the time big corporations settle out of court because they don't want to waste their time.What BCCI doing is legally correct because this will prevent frivolous lawsuits in future.
Based on jurisdiction of this case, ICC can be ordered to garnish PCB's revenue. Either way, if BCCI wins the judgement against PCB, PCB will be indebted to BCCI.

When am I saying BCCI should not hire a defense? Who asked them to pay $2M to a world renowned firm when they could have paid Shaukat Solicitors in Ilford to do the same thing. Here lies the argument. Its like saying I might as well buy a mansion in the Bishop's avenue and send the bill to the PCB whilst Im at it.

BCCI's case was so 45-55 they could not take any risks therefore they spent top dollar on their Defense. Its not PCB's fault that they spent so much for it, as PCB were fighting for what they believed they were truly owed.

 

[Napa]

But ICC wont do it, they are not legally bound to cut the handout of any board that follows their code of conduct. How has the PCB broken this code with the ICC?

Not sure what the jurisdictions are in this case, but if a British court rules against PCB and PCB doesn't pay up, then BCCI can legally seize PCB assets including money owed to it by ICC.

When am I saying BCCI should not hire a defense? Who asked them to pay $2M to a world renowned firm when they could have paid Shaukat Solicitors in Ilford to do the same thing. Here lies the argument. Its like saying I might as well buy a mansion in the Bishop's avenue and send the bill to the PCB whilst Im at it.

BCCI's case was so 45-55 they could not take any risks therefore they spent top dollar on their Defense. Its not PCB's fault that they spent so much for it, as PCB were fighting for what they believed they were truly owed.

While your argument is reasonable, that however is not how the law works. The counter argument is that BCCI was forced to hire expensive lawyers to prevent an injustice from happening.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But ICC wont do it, they are not legally bound to cut the handout of any board that follows their code of conduct. How has the PCB broken this code with the ICC?

Because the ICC has to implement the decision of the DRC. The pcb agreed to the decision of the DRC.

The site of jurisdiction of DRC is UK. So bcci can move a UK court if pcb fails to abide by the decision.

 

[Savak]

Lol, will be hilarious if the PCB argues that the BCCI overpaid for their lawyers and that the BCCI could have easily won the case by hiring a $10,000 lawyer given how flimsy it was to begin with and that $10,000 is all that should be paid to the BCCI and everything above that is unreasonable

 

[Rana]

Not sure what the jurisdictions are in this case, but if a British court rules against PCB and PCB doesn't pay up, then BCCI can legally seize PCB assets including money owed to it by ICC.



While your argument is reasonable, that however is not how the law works. The counter argument is that BCCI was forced to hire expensive lawyers to prevent an injustice from happening.

And this goes against the main narrative of the entire discussion in this thread and the Sethi bashing. I have zero political affiliation or relation/ support to for Najam Sethi but i fail to understand how the vast majority of Indian and Pakistani supporters alike have jumped on the bandwagon to criticise Sethi for taking up this case in the first place. The truth is that the case was very much there! It was not naive or stupid of Sethi to take this stance as he had no other choice really to get PCB back what it was truly owed. And if the common argument was that the PCB were so ignorant to not understand that the MOU holds no value, then why did the BCCI need to dish out big money to ensure there case was fully protected without the slightest signs of a crack?

Realistically, the case has lead to so much bad blood and exposure of the clear bias towards the BCCI that I would be surprised if,

A) The current PCB chairman decides to reimburse BCCI even though his political affiliation does not coincide with Najam Sethi and his appointees. This is not Zaka Ashraf and his team's wrongdoing and now way should they be held at ransom to pay for it.

B) If the ICC comes out of its weak, diplomatic invisibility cloak and patronises the PCB to reimburse the BCCI without the fear of the repercussions to follow.

 

[Birdman]

When am I saying BCCI should not hire a defense? Who asked them to pay $2M to a world renowned firm when they could have paid Shaukat Solicitors in Ilford to do the same thing. Here lies the argument. Its like saying I might as well buy a mansion in the Bishop's avenue and send the bill to the PCB whilst Im at it.

BCCI's case was so 45-55 they could not take any risks therefore they spent top dollar on their Defense. Its not PCB's fault that they spent so much for it, as PCB were fighting for what they believed they were truly owed.

"How is it PCB's fault that BCCI had to hire a legal firm to defend their case?"

Those are your words. If someone is going to sue me, I am going to get the best defense I can. So you want BCCI to hire a lousy defense and risk 80 Million dollars? The reason for this lawsuit is to set BCCI in the same position before the suit was filed. They should not profit from this, but they should be made whole.

 

[Rana]

Lol, will be hilarious if the PCB argues that the BCCI overpaid for their lawyers and that the BCCI could have easily won the case by hiring a $10,000 lawyer given how flimsy it was to begin with and that $10,000 is all that should be paid to the BCCI and everything above that is unreasonable

If I were the PCB I would keep this drama going now and waste as much of BCCI's time and effort I could. PCB are well within their rights to troll and not take BCCI seriously .

 

[Hitman]

I probably remember this hilarious saga more than any matches Pak and Ind have had against each other in the last couple of years

Of course the CT final doesn't count, I'd like to forget that anyways, although unfortunately I can't

 

[Sachin136]

When am I saying BCCI should not hire a defense? Who asked them to pay $2M to a world renowned firm when they could have paid Shaukat Solicitors in Ilford to do the same thing. Here lies the argument. Its like saying I might as well buy a mansion in the Bishop's avenue and send the bill to the PCB whilst Im at it.

BCCI's case was so 45-55 they could not take any risks therefore they spent top dollar on their Defense. Its not PCB's fault that they spent so much for it, as PCB were fighting for what they believed they were truly owed.

These sorts of arguments don't work. Coughing up legal fees is common no matter what law firm they hired. Clearly you don't know the first thing about how these cases work.

 

[Savak]

If I were the PCB I would keep this drama going now and waste as much of BCCI's time and effort I could. PCB are well within their rights to troll and not take BCCI seriously .

Lol, but then you will have a notorious Bengali poster slyly and at times openly chearleading for the BCCI to recover the full amount plus interest from the pcb

 

[Rana]

"How is it PCB's fault that BCCI had to hire a legal firm to defend their case?"

Those are your words. If someone is going to sue me, I am going to get the best defense I can. So you want BCCI to hire a lousy defense and risk 80 Million dollars? The reason for this lawsuit is to set BCCI in the same position before the suit was filed. They should not profit from this, but they should be made whole.

yeah, as if BCCI would have paid $80M to PCB.

India would wage war against Pakistan before that would happen

 

[Rana]

These sorts of arguments don't work. Coughing up legal fees is common no matter what law firm they hired. Clearly you don't know the first thing about how these cases work.

Clearly I dont know because Im supporting Pakistan in this matter. Take off your BCCI bias sunglasses.

You wont get a penny from us. Mark my words.

 

[Savak]

But on a very serious note. If the pcb does decide to pay the amount in full, they will need to negotiate with the ICC, BCCI for a few things in return in order to help Pakistan Cricket

 

[Birdman]

yeah, as if BCCI would have paid $80M to PCB.

India would wage war against Pakistan before that would happen

How about we stick to the facts and not pull things out of thin air.