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[PICTURE] Fact check: Moqa Moqa is nothing but a smokescreen by Indians to hide their embarrassing record against Pakistan

The Bald Eagle said:
I wish PCT become this minnow again as being not is resulting in defeats
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It is a bit sad. When I was younger, Indians fans would be in awe of our players and almost scared. I am talking about the days from as far back as Fazal Mahmood to Miandad to the 90s crop with Akhtar demolishing batsmen whereas India had pie chuckers like Mohanta and Joshi and other names I don't even remember. Now apart from Shaheen, Babar and Rizwan, Indian fans or team don't respect or fear our players. This needs to change.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
It is a bit sad. When I was younger, Indians fans would be in awe of our players and almost scared. I am talking about the days from as far back as Fazal Mahmood to Miandad to the 90s crop with Akhtar demolishing batsmen whereas India had pie chuckers like Mohanta and Joshi and other names I don't even remember. Now apart from Shaheen, Babar and Rizwan, Indian fans or team don't respect or fear our players. This needs to change.
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Lol at Indian's respecting Babar and Rizwan. We only respect Fakhtar and first two overs of Shaheen.

And yes I am ready for your 152-0 jibe regarding Babar and Rizwan.
 
speed_thrills said:
Lol at Indian's respecting Babar and Rizwan. We only respect Fakhtar and first two overs of Shaheen.

And yes I am ready for your 152-0 jibe regarding Babar and Rizwan.
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Even now out of form Riz and Babar would walk into Indian ODI and Test side, let's be real. In T20 there is a debate to be had on ultra flat tracks where Riz and Babar can go harder but they don't have the benefit of playing on Indian flat tracks or the long batting line up they have.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Even now out of form Riz and Babar would walk into Indian ODI and Test side, let's be real. In T20 there is a debate to be had on ultra flat tracks where Riz and Babar can go harder but they don't have the benefit of playing on Indian flat tracks or the long batting line up they have.
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Why would Babar walk into our Test side, ODI maybe.
Rizwan is not walking into any Indian side.
Guys like Samson, Iyer , Jaiswal don’t get a chance in Indian team, Rizwan would bring the entire Indian team down, heck we already got an anchor- Kohli.. who is better at anchoring than Riz.

They will definitely walk into BD side.
 
JaDed said:
Why would Babar walk into our Test side, ODI maybe.
Rizwan is not walking into any Indian side.
Guys like Samson, Iyer , Jaiswal don’t get a chance in Indian team, Rizwan would bring the entire Indian team down, heck we already got an anchor- Kohli.. who is better at anchoring than Riz.

They will definitely walk into BD side.
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I don't rate tullas like Gill or gutless players like KL. I prefer daler players like Pant and Rizwan. No comments on BD, even I would get into their team no offence.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Even now out of form Riz and Babar would walk into Indian ODI and Test side, let's be real. In T20 there is a debate to be had on ultra flat tracks where Riz and Babar can go harder but they don't have the benefit of playing on Indian flat tracks or the long batting line up they have.
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There may be a case for Babar in ODI, but a guy like Jaiswal is on bench so that's also debatable. In test Babar doesn't have a case with one SENA century.

Rizwan only gets in to 'Leg side only Indian 11' when we will have one.
 
Surprising that H2H is so lopsided in T20 cricket. This is format which supports greatest variance and thus would expect a more even record. Additionally Pak has had for reasonably long stretches a very competitive T20I side in last 17 years.

In last 3 T20 WC matches Pak has dominated in each game anywhere between 65-85% of the match and could conceivably have won all three. Instead they keep getting checked into the Hardik-Bumrah-Kohli (HBK) heartbreak hotel.

It must be even more galling for older Pak fans because the kind of interventions HBK does (i.e. allround cameos, unhittable death shutdowns and last over sixes) are the kind of stuff one would expect of an 80s-90s Pakistan outfit.

I am afraid until HBK retires, it appears Pak seems doomed to the same ground day over and over again.
 
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RizwanT20Champ said:
It is a bit sad. When I was younger, Indians fans would be in awe of our players and almost scared. I am talking about the days from as far back as Fazal Mahmood to Miandad to the 90s crop with Akhtar demolishing batsmen whereas India had pie chuckers like Mohanta and Joshi and other names I don't even remember. Now apart from Shaheen, Babar and Rizwan, Indian fans or team don't respect or fear our players. This needs to change.
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How did that work out in the big matches ... A nobody like Ajay Jadeja spanked the heck out of Wicky and Then there was the mujsey bowlling nahi ho rahi hai episode :akhtar


And then there was Venky owning Sohail lol

not one single win and we are now into the 4th decade of the WC Streak which even embarrasses the WWE streaks that are scripted and you have the Cheek to gloat with that sort of record :ROFLMAO:
 
pratiktc said:
Surprising that H2H is so lopsided in T20 cricket. This is format which supports greatest variance and thus would expect a more even record. Additionally Pak has had for reasonably long stretches a very competitive T20I side in last 17 years.

In last 3 T20 WC matches Pak has dominated in each game anywhere between 65-85% of the match and could conceivably have won all three. Instead they keep getting checked into the Hardik-Bumrah-Kohli (HBK) heartbreak hotel.

It must be even more galling for older Pak fans because the kind of interventions HBK does (i.e. allround cameos, unhittable death shutdowns and last over sixes) are the kind of stuff one would expect of an 80s-90s Pakistan outfit.

I am afraid until HBK retires, it appears Pak seems doomed to the same ground day over and over again.
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HBK(Hardik Bumrah Kohli) :misbah

Nice one. :inti
 
chakdeindian said:
There were 2 students in a class..Both are average to above average students initially..one student who cheats in class exams and scored well, however when it comes to final exams doesn't perform well. The other student was a sincere but mostly average or below average in class exams but when it comes to final exams performed better than the first student..soon the y went to higher grades and syllabus got changed, also exams including class tests got more vigilant..the first student couldn't cheat anymore and also couldn't understand the new syllabus and started flunking in all exams.. whereas the second student changed himself by joining tutions and coaching and in process became a meritorious student..after years the second student was settled in a good job, whereas the first one is yet to clear his arrears..when these 2 met each other, the first one said, now he may be settled, but in school days, he had scored higher than him in all the class tests for many years and hence he is greater than him..
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I had given a better example a while back in a different thread ... this situation with Pakistani posters is like someone claiming that he is better because he was the class topper in primary school ... so what if the other guy went on to clear IIT JEE whereas the primary school topper dropped out of college... lol
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
No Pak Ind match is JAMODI. Miandad 6 still haunts Indians.
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thats what you would want to believe lol.... reality is very much different because we were introduced to much much bigger matches and therefore the useless Sharjah tournaments were abandoned and has been so for a long long time.

Whereas the WC matches continue to this day more than 32 years later ( will be 35 years by the time when the next one happens).That tells you the reality.

And BTW there is ZERO Chance for Pak to equalize the world cup record in either world cups in your lifetime whereas the 88-77 will be equalized in a few years even though we only play in major tournaments.


Now thats real ownage

:ROFLMAO:
 
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uppercut said:
I had given a better example a while back in a different thread ... this situation with Pakistani posters is like someone claiming that he is better because he was the class topper in primary school ... so what if the other guy went on to clear IIT JEE whereas the primary school topper dropped out of college... lol
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Its actually good for us if they cherish their past memories and get contented..it's ditto the Indian national congress led by Rahul Gandhi..both INC and PCB growth and downfall are astonishingly similar and both have Pappu you know who they will celebrate even without performing and blaming others,evm..etc for their failure and talk about the past
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Right now we can only discuss what is in front of us. But if you want to go into ifs and buts, do it from both sides, so if India had played Pakistan more in the 90s, Pakistan's head-to-head lead would have been even bigger. Likewise, if Pakistan had faced India more during Ganguly's and Dhoni’s captaincy, India might have reduced the gap. See, I covered both aspects. :inti
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This argument makes zero sense considering India already played Pakistan the most in the 90's, compared to any other opponent. It was impossible to play any more.

Not the case for other eras post 2001
 
Hellion said:
This argument makes zero sense considering India already played Pakistan the most in the 90's, compared to any other opponent. It was impossible to play any more.

Not the case for other eras post 2001
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Yeah, obviously, it will make zero sense for you. :inti
 
uppercut said:
thats what you would want to believe lol.... reality is very much different because we were introduced to much much bigger matches and therefore the useless Sharjah tournaments were abandoned and has been so for a long long time.

Whereas the WC matches continue to this day more than 32 years later ( will be 35 years by the time when the next one happens).That tells you the reality.

And BTW there is ZERO Chance for Pak to equalize the world cup record in either world cups in your lifetime whereas the 88-77 will be equalized in a few years even though we only play in major tournaments.


Now thats real ownage

:ROFLMAO:
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You keep repeating yourself. There were indeed no JAMODIS in the 80s and 90s surely not between India and Pakistan. There was no T20s, no league cricket and tours between countries were high profile.

Your posting and being all happy about 96 and 2003, what did you achieve in 96 after beating Pak, did India win the WC?
 
pakistani pride said:
You keep repeating yourself. There were indeed no JAMODIS in the 80s and 90s surely not between India and Pakistan. There was no T20s, no league cricket and tours between countries were high profile.
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As I said many times this is not true at all ... even in the 80s the WC match was a big deal ... for instance the 1987 WC held in Ind + Pakistan the anticipation for a possible Ind vs Pak match in the Final was soo insane that it is hard to explain. It did not materialize as both teams were eliminated in the S/F and it was probably a good thing as I don't think the Indian team would have come back in one piece if they had won.

So no you are dead wrong about the hierarchy. World cup matches Have ALWAYS had the special importance. You just want to pretend otherwise for obvious reasons but that does not mean you are factually correct.


pakistani pride said:
Your posting and being all happy about 96 and 2003, what did you achieve in 96 after beating Pak, did India win the WC?
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We eliminated the arch rival from the tournament... and ofcourse won a very imp high stakes huge game that you have never experienced in your lifetime. Thats the difference between you and me. You have never experienced any thing like we have ... absolutely spoilt for over 32 years ... there is just nothing like it ... and as I have said before in this thread I will gladly pretend we never won any single bilateral ODI at all just like how you have never won a ODI WC Match.
 
pakistani pride said:
You keep repeating yourself. There were indeed no JAMODIS in the 80s and 90s surely not between India and Pakistan. There was no T20s, no league cricket and tours between countries were high profile.

Your posting and being all happy about 96 and 2003, what did you achieve in 96 after beating Pak, did India win the WC?
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Like 2019 wc

We smashed nz 4-1 before 2019 WC away from home in odi bilateral

Yet we lost when it mattered

Would I take the WC win over the bilateral series win? Hell yea anyday all day

Jamodis are a joke. Always has been.

Even in 90s. It’s just a tester to find out new talents and work out combinations
 
kron said:
Like 2019 wc

We smashed nz 4-1 before 2019 WC away from home in odi bilateral

Yet we lost when it mattered

Would I take the WC win over the bilateral series win? Hell yea anyday all day

Jamodis are a joke. Always has been.

Even in 90s. It’s just a tester to find out new talents and work out combinations
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Your players are mostly good at JAMODIs only barring Kohli and Pandya and Shami. Rest are like tea sellers in big games lol.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Your players are mostly good at JAMODIs only barring Kohli and Pandya and Shami. Rest are like tea sellers in big games lol.
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That’s true
And bumrah

I don’t trust Kl Rahul still and yes I am aware he performed in Ko for once in his lifetime in the last champions trophy win

Pant is another big game player

But rest are not I agree.

Actually I don’t rate kohli in big games either.
 
kron said:
That’s true
And bumrah

I don’t trust Kl Rahul still and yes I am aware he performed in Ko for once in his lifetime in the last champions trophy win

Pant is another big game player

But rest are not I agree.

Actually I don’t rate kohli in big games either.
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Indians are usually halwa players in JAMODIs and get owned in big games. That's the reason we are 88-77 ahead.
 
cricketjoshila said:
WI has a better head to head against Pakistan in ODIs. By your logic WI owns Pakistan?
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Look how no one replied or countered this argument? :yk

Just goes to show why threads like these need to be taken with a pinch of salt as you can't have high quality constructive discussion with emotionally driven people.
 
cricketjoshila said:
WI has a better head to head against Pakistan in ODIs. By your logic WI owns Pakistan?
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Mesozoic said:
Look how no one replied or countered this argument? :yk

Just goes to show why threads like these need to be taken with a pinch of salt as you can't have high quality constructive discussion with emotionally driven people.
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Because the argument doesn't make sense as overall Pakistan lead H2H against WI. Typical Indians deflecting and making up stuff.
 
Mesozoic said:
Look how no one replied or countered this argument? :yk

Just goes to show why threads like these need to be taken with a pinch of salt as you can't have high quality constructive discussion with emotionally driven people.
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And Aus has a losing record in odi vs SA
So SA better than Aus?

I don’t think so
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Every Pak India match is big. Do you deny this?
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Bilateral or Jamison just doesn’t have the same feel to it as a World Cup match

Not the same pressure my man. World will be watching during the icc event.
Not always the case if it’s just a bilateral
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Every Pak India game is a big game. Don't hide behind WCs.
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They most definitely are not.

No one remembers or cares what happened in a random Coca cola cup match back in 1995 or some bilateral game in 1997.

But most even casual cricket fans remember each and every WC game between the two sides and the events during that game. Even the least spectacular WC games like 1999 Old Trafford or 2012 Colombo are remembered more than some of the hardly fought bilateral games.
 
I am still waiting for @The Bald Eagle to tell me where did he get the following figures in the OP

Final 8-3

3 or more tournaments figure of 37-29

In India odis figure of 28-19
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Now apart from Shaheen, Babar and Rizwan, Indian fans or team don't respect or fear our players. This needs to change.
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You should seriously consider adding Kushdil Shah to this list.

He is a brabaric hoicker of the ball who can instill fear in opposition players with his mere presence with a bat in hand.
:inti
 
cricketjoshila said:
I am still waiting for @The Bald Eagle to tell me where did he get the following figures in the OP

Final 8-3

3 or more tournaments figure of 37-29

In India odis figure of 28-19
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Of OP stats have already told earlier, I found it from some cricket related SM page.

And couldn't get what this bold part mean...plz elaborate
 
Pakistan getting trashed black and blue by the kiwis but hey Indian team isn't that good. Typical Pakistanis running away from reality and claiming Rizwan walks into the Indian team is a joke, let him get selected for Pakistan team first.
 
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The Bald Eagle said:
Of OP stats have already told earlier, I found it from some cricket related SM page.

And couldn't get what this bold part mean...plz elaborate
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Those stats are wrong as per my db. Should be verified and confirmed before they are posted.

If i am not wrong they are biased to make one team's stat look better than they actually are.
 
cricketjoshila said:
@RizwanT20Champ

I talked about ODIs you include all of test odis and t20is? Why?


The odi figure is 71-63 in WIs favour

stats.espncricinfo.com

ESPNcricinfo.com Statsguru - Pakistan - One-Day Internationals - Team analysis

stats.espncricinfo.com stats.espncricinfo.com


Try these tricks elsewhere.
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What tricks? The 88-77 ownage is all formats is it not? West Indies have 2 WCs to Pakistan's 1 and a better H2H so of course they are better than Pak OVERALL. Do you understand the concept of overall? Right now, Pak are better than WI just like India are better than Pak right now but OVERALL WI > Pak > India
 
Once again for benefit of Joshila and Indian fans.

India are better now. India have been better the last 10 years or whatever. We are not denying this. But OVERALL:

Pakistan lead

73-58 in ODIS. THIS IS ALL TIME!
12-9 in Tests ALL TIME!
3-10 in T20 ALL TIME!

Total Pak lead India 88-77 ALL TIME!

It is valid to say India has more ICC Trophies, Asia Cups but it is also valid to say Pak leads H2H. Open your minds.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Every Pak India game is a big game. Don't hide behind WCs.
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they are absolutely not and the evidence is in the threats received by players and their family after WC losses, TVs broken, Wasim having to explain decades later why he didn't play in the 96 QF, most Pakistani fans ruing the numerous WC losses to India right here on this forum.


Most importantly you got the taste of it when pak finally beat ind in 2021 T20 WC ... just look at the reactions after that win which tells you the story.
 
A thing that you missed brother, PCT even dominated India in their own home

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RizwanT20Champ said:
Once again for benefit of Joshila and Indian fans.

India are better now. India have been better the last 10 years or whatever. We are not denying this. But OVERALL:

Pakistan lead

73-58 in ODIS. THIS IS ALL TIME!
12-9 in Tests ALL TIME!
3-10 in T20 ALL TIME!

Total Pak lead India 88-77 ALL TIME!

It is valid to say India has more ICC Trophies, Asia Cups but it is also valid to say Pak leads H2H. Open your minds.
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uppercut said:
they are absolutely not and the evidence is in the threats received by players and their family after WC losses, TVs broken, Wasim having to explain decades later why he didn't play in the 96 QF, most Pakistani fans ruing the numerous WC losses to India right here on this forum.


Most importantly you got the taste of it when pak finally beat ind in 2021 T20 WC ... just look at the reactions after that win which tells you the story.
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Yeah, even Shami got the taste of it. :inti


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timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Mohammed Shami faces vicious online abuse after India's loss to Pakistan | Cricket News - The Times of India

Cricket News: A torrent of social media abuse was aimed at the only Muslim player in the Indian playing XI, Mohammed Shami, after his side were thrashed by arch riv
timesofindia.indiatimes.com timesofindia.indiatimes.com
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
It is a bit sad. When I was younger, Indians fans would be in awe of our players and almost scared. I am talking about the days from as far back as Fazal Mahmood to Miandad to the 90s crop with Akhtar demolishing batsmen whereas India had pie chuckers like Mohanta and Joshi and other names I don't even remember. Now apart from Shaheen, Babar and Rizwan, Indian fans or team don't respect or fear our players. This needs to change.
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I hear you, very sad indeed. That team was something to fear, 100%. But gotta give you the bad news ... no one gives two Flying cars about Shaheen (just a little bit), Babar and Rizwan - there are better batsmen in the pipeline that don't even get to wear the blue jersey.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Once again for benefit of Joshila and Indian fans.

India are better now. India have been better the last 10 years or whatever. We are not denying this. But OVERALL:

Pakistan lead

73-58 in ODIS. THIS IS ALL TIME!
12-9 in Tests ALL TIME!
3-10 in T20 ALL TIME!

Total Pak lead India 88-77 ALL TIME!

It is valid to say India has more ICC Trophies, Asia Cups but it is also valid to say Pak leads H2H. Open your minds.
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All time means nothing . What is the use of pakistan was better 25 years back? Is that stat taken into consideration in how the team will perform?

WI is a minnow now.Doesnt matter if they were invincible in 1980s.

H2H has no meaning without context. India Pakistan hasn't even played bilaterals for 18 years. What's the use of head to head in such situation?

You guys are clutching onto straws because you have nothing else.
 
uppercut said:
So Pak > India in Cricket since 1947 because of that overall H2H record ? Is that your conclusion/assessment based on that stat ?
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You useless prolong an argument as usual...when the meaning is always obvious.

Anyway India trail Pakistan, which shows which team has been historically superior
 
The Bald Eagle said:
You useless prolong an argument as usual...when the meaning is always obvious.

Anyway India trail Pakistan, which shows which team has been historically superior
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2 World Cups to 1

2 World T20's to 1

3 Champions trophies to 1.

Cannot be historically superior with that trophy count :inti
 
Hellion said:
2 World Cups to 1

2 World T20's to 1

3 Champions trophies to 1.

Cannot be historically superior with that trophy count
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Weren't we talking about head to head.


A little OPEN Challenge for all indians 👇

Name 1 just 1 ICC tournament which India has won after getting defeated by Pakistan.

But Pakistan have won 2 still after getting defeated by India.

Moral of the story, all defeats handed by Pakistan to India in ICC events were absolutely inimical 🥱🥱👋
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Weren't we talking about head to head.


A little OPEN Challenge for all indians 👇

Name 1 just 1 ICC tournament which India has won after getting defeated by Pakistan.

But Pakistan have won 2 still after getting defeated by India.

Moral of the story, all defeats handed by Pakistan to India were absolutely inimical 🥱🥱👋
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That's because in almost all World Cups/World T20's , we are the ones doing the beating buddy. .

Out of 22 ICC matches between the 2 teams, India have effectively won 18 of them .

What do you mean comeback when smash you most of the time in the first place?
 
Hellion said:
That's because in almost all World Cups/World T20's , we are the ones doing the beating buddy. .

Out of 22 ICC matches between the 2 teams, India have effectively won 18 of them .

What do you mean comeback when smash you most of the time in the first place?
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Ok so interestingly enough out of those 4 occasions your team was so brutally butchered that they got knocked out instantly. 😎
 
I think this mentality is indicative of where Pakistan as a cricket team underachieved in the 90s and early 2000s too despite all their talent.

Their entire focus was on defeating one team in bilaterals and they were very happy with that.

Some players made entire careers out of doing well couple of times against India and were made heroes overnight. Junaid Khan, kamran akmal, Amir, other random batsmen whose names I don't even remember. Kamran became unstoppable after karachi test.

As long as you win against India you were heroes no matter what you do with other teams and in cups.

Even today it's Pak management and captain who make statements before india matches.

Meanwhile india focused on all teams and on winning cups and they steadily improved.

The difference in mentality is very evident between both the teams and fans.
 
Sachin fan said:
I think this mentality is indicative of where Pakistan as a cricket team underachieved in the 90s and early 2000s too despite all their talent.

Their entire focus was on defeating one team in bilaterals and they were very happy with that.

Some players made entire careers out of doing well couple of times against India and were made heroes overnight. Junaid Khan, kamran akmal, Amir, other random batsmen whose names I don't even remember. Kamran became unstoppable after karachi test.

As long as you win against India you were heroes no matter what you do with other teams and in cups.

Even today it's Pak management and captain who make statements before india matches.

Meanwhile india focused on all teams and on winning cups and they steadily improved.

The difference in mentality is very evident between both the teams and fans.
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Good point. Check pakistans H2H record against England in ODIs compare with Indias ah2H record against England
 
The Bald Eagle said:
YES, whenever both collide
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Sachin fan said:
Why are you celebrating Pakistan being better than India? Has all the pretense dropped?
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At what point did it seem like I was celebrating Pakistan for being better than India? Kindly point it out. I am waiting... :inti
 
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cricketjoshila said:
You made a claim in the OP that was false and then covered up saying that you copy pasted.

Is this claim also copy paste?

Please provide such 4 instances.
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Three are obvious

CT 2004, 2009, 2017

And T20 WC 2021 is debatable, I believe 152/0 ended India's journey instantly but you could argue it didn't. It actually gave them a stunner from which they couldn't recover
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Finals greater than normal matches...and you know the score there.
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So the Kitply cup final has more importance than any of the 8 worldcup matches that Pak lost to India in WC ? And when did they become normal matches ?

Any idea why nobody is interested in those kitply type tournaments these days if they were soo important?
 
uppercut said:
So the Kitply cup final has more importance than any of the 8 worldcup matches that Pak lost to India in WC ? And when did they become normal matches ?

Any idea why nobody is interested in those kitply type tournaments these days if they were soo important?
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World cups won by India by these 8-0, only one
Same for Pakistan after losing 8 clashes ......no surprise also ONE 🫢 😂😁
 
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