[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Saim Ayub - the real deal or a flash in the pan?

[Mamoon]

Imad wasim is a better odi batsmen then babar 100%, let's have their side by side team stat war right now.

How is an avg of 42 and sr of 110 batting at no 7 worse then an avg if 56 which was originally 60 but dropped by 4 points due to a trash 2023 wc and a sr of 88 at No 3 better?

How is an average of 33 against India better then an average of 71 against India that imad has? Go on I'll wait.

If Imad opens or bats at 3, his stats will not be comparable to Babar’s because Babar is a specialist top order batsman and Imad is at best a decent number 5/6, nothing more than that.

If you are saying that Imad has better stats than Babar then you are essentially saying that Imad is a better ODI batsman than 99% of the ODI number 3s in history, so is Imad in the 1% greatest ODI batsmen?

Also, performances vs one particular team means nothing. There is no doubt that Babar has been poor vs India, but these outliers will always be there.

Imad has been a disaster with the ball vs India, he has 0 wickets. Does that make him worse than all the bowlers in history who have picked up wickets vs India?

Also, you argument that 11 Imads would beat 11 Babar is hilarious. This applies to every specialist batsman/bowler and all-rounder.

11 Shadab Khans would beat 11 Glenn Mcgraths.

11 Mohammad Hafeez would beat 11 Dale Steyns.

We can go on and on and on with this.

When you are comparing batsmen or bowlers with all-rounders, you have to look at who is better in his role.

If you don’t, then you are essentially saying that every half-decent all-rounder is a better cricketer and more useful than every great batsman/bowler which is simply not true and you know it.

Babar the batsman is clearly superior than Imad the all-rounder and this is not something that is up for debate and even the most hardcore Imad fans won’t go down that road.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan hasn’t suffered drastically by carrying him.

Babar has been good at number 3. You seem to be content with Fakhar at 4. Your starting to find decent contributors in Azam. Iftikhar is hit and miss but he’s ok too.

You don’t need to panic. He will come good and your batting will be improved.

 

[Mamoon]

As many as it needs to take.

He is the right kind of player for this position.

You don’t want to play Fakhar as an opener. You all hate the idea of Sharjeel playing as an opener.

If this kid fits the bill because he is cute and wholesome, might as well trust him throughout the World Cup. When he fires, he will win you a game. It could be a crucial game as well.

He is playing every match in his preferred position and against bowlers who are far from great. He has no excuse and no explanations for his failures other than the fact that he hasn’t been good enough so far.

I have nothing against and him and I don’t enjoy his failures the way I enjoy Imad and Amir’s, but the clock is ticking for him and he really needs to produce a string of big innings vs England and in the World Cup to not get dropped.

 

[Rana]

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He is playing every match in his preferred position and against bowlers who are far from great. He has no excuse and no explanations for his failures other than the fact that he hasn’t been good enough so far.

I have nothing against and him and I don’t enjoy his failures the way I enjoy Imad and Amir’s, but the clock is ticking for him and he really needs to produce a string of big innings vs England and in the World Cup to not get dropped.

You want to start this again?

 

[AAli98]

He won’t come good 1 good length delivery outside 4th stump & it’s good night poor player.. if this is the best talent that’s coming up PCB might as well put padlocks on grounds.

 

[mominsaigol]

If Imad opens or bats at 3, his stats will not be comparable to Babar’s because Babar is a specialist top order batsman and Imad is at best a decent number 5/6, nothing more than that.

If you are saying that Imad has better stats than Babar then you are essentially saying that Imad is a better ODI batsman than 99% of the ODI number 3s in history, so is Imad in the 1% greatest ODI batsmen?

Also, performances vs one particular team means nothing. There is no doubt that Babar has been poor vs India, but these outliers will always be there.

Imad has been a disaster with the ball vs India, he has 0 wickets. Does that make him worse than all the bowlers in history who have picked up wickets vs India?

Also, you argument that 11 Imads would beat 11 Babar is hilarious. This applies to every specialist batsman/bowler and all-rounder.

11 Shadab Khans would beat 11 Glenn Mcgraths.

11 Mohammad Hafeez would beat 11 Dale Steyns.

We can go on and on and on with this.

When you are comparing batsmen or bowlers with all-rounders, you have to look at who is better in his role.

If you don’t, then you are essentially saying that every half-decent all-rounder is a better cricketer and more useful than every great batsman/bowler which is simply not true and you know it.

Babar the batsman is clearly superior than Imad the all-rounder and this is not something that is up for debate and even the most hardcore Imad fans won’t go down that road.

Mamoon I am kidding .

I am using the trash logic that people have applied to me such as

Babar is a better batsmen then zaheer abass due to stats or babar is a better batter then sheryas iyer due to stats or a fit and firing shaheen is better then every pakistani bowler to ever exist besides Imran and wasim.

These stats argument is so horrificly bad and if you agree that it exposes the horrible narrative that people have used on Babar, then checkmate.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon I am kidding .

I am using the trash logic that people have applied to me such as

Babar is a better batsmen then zaheer abass due to stats or babar is a better batter then sheryas iyer due to stats or a fit and firing shaheen is better then every pakistani bowler to ever exist besides Imran and wasim.

These stats argument is so horrificly bad and if you agree that it exposes the horrible narrative that people have used on Babar, then checkmate.

Zaheer Abbas is not a benchmark for Babar in Test cricket. He can surpass him in the format. The real challenge for Babar would be to reach the level of Younis and Miandad in Test cricket, but that seems far fetched for now because his play vs spin is not at a high level.

Babar is on par with the likes of Iyer and Rahul, but I would rate Gill and Jaiswal higher than him. Potentially Prithvi Shaw as well, but he has fallen away due to his fitness issues and he might not play much for India moving forward due to the competition.

Shaheen is really, really good. People don’t understand how much Pakistani pacers of the past benefited from ball tampering culture. These guys made their careers out of it.

Ball tampering + batting lineups that ended when they were 7 down was a huge reason behind the success of Pakistani fast bowlers of yesteryears, and it is not a surprise that Pakistani fast bowling faded way in the last 15 odd years with greater scrutiny on ball tampering.

The legend and myth of Shaheen and even Rauf and Naseem would have been much greater had they played in the 80s and 90s while the likes of Waqar and Shoaib would have been quite ordinary bowlers today.

 

[Mamoon]

When are you in a good mood? Your bad mood is just normal mood? Lol

I have been rude to you in recent days and I apologize for that.

 

[Rana]

There is no point because the moderators will end up deleted the posts anyway. Keep talking to yourself if you want to. I don’t want to say things that I will have to apologize for later because you don’t deserve an apology from me.

I don’t need your apology. Say what you want, I will request mods not do delete it. But I will respond equally and go even harder. You game?

 

[mominsaigol]

Everyone was having Bobby's and rizzu's head for opening which they had every right to. 2022 wc and asia cup was enough to justify it. And after 2023 wc it was a train wreck.

 

[Rana]

Everyone was having Bobby's and rizzu's head for opening which they had every right to. 2022 wc and asia cup was enough to justify it. And after 2023 wc it was a train wreck.

Realistically it should have been Fakhar to open.

 

[mominsaigol]

Realistically it should have been Fakhar to open.

Thing I don't get is, why the hate and reluctance on fakhar at opening ?

Fakhar in odi you've seen what he can do at opening, albeit inconsistently, something rizwan and babar cant ever come close to doing, no pakistani batter can?

So why so much Zid? These averages and sr doesn't matter. If fakhar switches himself on then you win at opening plain and simple. It's very clear what type of player he is.

Only in Pakistan have I ever seen such drama. Its like saying let's not have Chris gayle open? Because he only averages 27 and 135 sr in t20?

 

[Usman Chadda]

I think Saim will get dropped, and Shadab will slot in.

 

[Rana]

Thing I don't get is, why the hate and reluctance on fakhar at opening?

Fakhar in odi you've seen what he can do at opening, albeit inconsistently, something rizwan and babar cant ever come close to doing, no pakistani batter can?

So why so much Zid? These averages and sr doesn't matter. If fakhar switches himself on then you win at opening plain and simple. It's very clear what type of player he is.

Only in Pakistan have I ever seen such drama. Its like saying let's not have Chris gayle open? Because he only averages 27 and 135 sr in t20?

Soft cricket nation. Soft fans.

They act tough by going after youngsters under pressure, and have a problem when guys like us drag their so called heroes through the mud by exposing their reality.

 

[mominsaigol]

Soft cricket nation. Soft fans.

They act tough by going after youngsters under pressure, and have a problem when guys like us drag their so called heroes through the mud by exposing their reality.

Bro I saw some people breathe sighs of relief and thought I was converting to god knows what because I said rizzu is fine for chasing against minnow attacks.

Like what? I've always agreed with that. He's a garbage batsmen when batting first in any scenario, decent at minnow attacks while chasing and absolutely dreadful against any quality bowler who just has to bowl to his right to neutralise him for good?

I've always said that? I guess they only read the rizzu is good at chasing part and didn't read the minnows or any other segment. Sigh.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan is a fraud opener.

Strike rates of 150 and 160 odd in two games where he faced more than 30 deliveries on this track, these boundary dimensions is mediocre.

There I said it again!

 

[BouncerGuy]

Guys, No more personal remarks against each other. Please do not derail the threads

 

[Rana]

Azam Khan, 2 games in a row with a strike rate of 300 on this track

6 sixes in 16 balls faced in the last two games.

That should give you a clear context of Rizwan’s innings

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan is a fraud opener.

Strike rates of 150 and 160 odd in two games where he faced more than 30 deliveries on this track, these boundary dimensions is mediocre.

There I said it again!

He'll have good SR against minnow attacks otherwise he wouldn't have chased 200 3x.

He'll always get exposed when you have Marco jansen, pandya, Bumrah, kuldeep, Bracewell, satner etc etc round the corner.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Saim will get a game or 2 against England, it could be his make or break chance to make it.

 

[Mamoon]

Realistically it should have been Fakhar to open.

Who told Fakhar to fail in the PSL?

He could have had a big tournament and forced Pakistan to open with him. He blew it and he has no one to blame but himself.

 

[Rana]

People might question why the mention of Rizwan is relevant in this thread and discussion? I’ll tell you why!

It’s because the people going after Saim are mainly strong advocates of the RizBar opening combination. They are using Rizwan’s two 50s on a track where the top teams of the world will go at 12-15 an over to justify how Rizwan belongs and Saim doesn’t.

That’s not true at all. Saim aspires to be a 160 sr+ opener like the top openers of T20 around the globe. He doesn’t come off but he keeps trying to be that player.

Rizwan, the longer he stays, the more he slows down and starts applying his own dumb science to the game. He will NEVER be what Pakistan really needs. Saim can

 

[mominsaigol]

Saim will get a game or 2 against England, it could be his make or break chance to make it.

Babar sucks at experimentation and also sucks at team selection.

None of the domestic lads got selected. Good performers of psl? No one made it besides Usman khan and mostly due to the whole uae nonsense.

Hasan ali and hasebullah keep coming back on random?

Fakhar, Usman can't be tried as openers if saim is failing? And the middle order? Why can't we shuffle it? Why can't imad bat at no 5 like in psl? Or how about idk? Selecting actual middle order bats who avg 42 and 150 sr like tayyab tahir in your middle order?

I'm fully aware Pakistan is a medicore team but for go's sakes atleast utilise the resources properly? No one is stating to win, just use some brains? How come Ireland, Afghanistan and these teams have bwtter combo's them we do? Nepal, USA, Uganada and these teams have their priorities straighter then us.

 

[Rana]

At one point in the game, Rizwan could have scored a 50 off 15 balls yesterday. He was 32* off 12 balls

How the hell or why the hell did he get his 50 in 30 balls?!?

 

[Mamoon]

At one point in the game, Rizwan could have scored a 50 off 15 balls yesterday. He was 32* off 12 balls

How the hell or why the hell did he get his 50 in 30 balls?!?

When you are chasing, the goal is to get to the target not make one track mind fans happy.

Rizwan played a perfect innings today. As far as Saim is concerned, no one cares what he is aspiring to be.

The only thing fans care about is performance and he has nothing to show for at the moment.

 

[Rana]

When you are chasing, the goal is to get to the target not make one track mind fans happy.

Rizwan played a perfect innings today. As far as Saim is concerned, no one cares what he is aspiring to be.

The only thing fans care about is performance and he has nothing to show for at the moment.

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Yes Einstein, when you are chasing…the goal is the target.

 

[FearlessRoar]

My intuition tells me that Saim Ayub will not be part of Pakistan's ICC T20I World Cup 2024 squad,he will be dropped due to injury or some other reason.

 

[Mamoon]

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Yes Einstein, when you are chasing…the goal is the target.

Have to dumb it down for like you who cry about SRs even during successful run chases.

 

[iPakistani]

I've heard it all, Rizwan played a great match winning innings yesterday but Saim is rated higher because of his aspirations

 

[DeadlyVenom]

My intuition tells me that Saim Ayub will not be part of Pakistan's ICC T20I World Cup 2024 squad,he will be dropped due to injury or some other reason.

I'll be disappointed if he is.

He has performed in the Caribbean before.

I'd keep him in for the WC. He needs a couple of games to click into place.

I think our line up should be considered settled now. It's too late to ask for changes. Just go with what we have been preparing for the past few years and regroup after the WC for the next one.

 

[Rana]

I've heard it all, Rizwan played a great match winning innings yesterday but Saim is rated higher because of his aspirations

We will see who will be the one laughing at the end of June 2024

 

[Mamoon]

Lord Saim Ayub:

No controversies, no attitude problem, no ego, no look shots, no runs, no performances.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Former Pakistan captain Misbah-ul-Haq has shared his insights on Pakistan's opening combination for the upcoming ICC T20 World Cup 2024 while speaking on a show on a local sports channel:

“I feel that the best opening combination, looking at the team, would be a right-left combination. That would be ideal. They are currently playing Saim Ayub, who is not delivering at the moment. I feel that different kinds of players – Saim on one end and Babar or Rizwan on the other end – can complement each other well.”

 

[ads101]

Had a golden opportunity to finally have a good series. And blew it again sadly. It’s getting to the point where it almost seems unfair he is getting chances over others.

Usman khan was the best batsman in PSL. He outperformed even Saim and Babar comfortably. I think he deserves a shot as opener. Yet it might be too late to test out another guy, we just stick with Saim.

Difficult to know what to do, but I don’t think we’ve given fair chances to Usman really.

 

[FearlessRoar]

PCB brought in Saim Ayub with the expectation that he would help accelerate the scoring during the power play overs. But approximately 55% of the balls he faced during the power play were dot balls.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

PCB brought in Saim Ayub with the expectation that he would help accelerate the scoring during the power play overs. But approximately 55% of the balls he faced during the power play were dot balls.

and that is the actual problem that management must be feeding in his brain to just take more time on the wicket, which he is trying to do and losing his natural playing style.

 

[cricketmania22]

and that is the actual problem that management must be feeding in his brain to just take more time on the wicket, which he is trying to do and losing his natural playing style.

No, he is trying to play his natural shots and he keeps getting out playing his favorite shot.

 

[hafizexpress]

PCB brought in Saim Ayub with the expectation that he would help accelerate the scoring during the power play overs. But approximately 55% of the balls he faced during the power play were dot balls.

If Ayub has 15-20 balls to himself in the PP, I'd rather his output than whatever Babar or Rizwan might come with. Even if half of them are dots, he'll still make more runs than Babar or Rizwan because he'll go for aerial shots and make use of all the fielders being inside the circle whereas Babar or Rizwan will still try to punt and nudge it around for singles and doubles, and still play dots half of them. Although we saw Rizwan go ballistic in the last two games in the PP, I haven't seen him have that same confidence against bigger teams.

 

[FearlessRoar]

During a program on a local channel, Salman Butt criticized Saim Ayub's recent form:

"In my opinion, if Saim is retained, he should consider himself the luckiest ever to have played for Pakistan because no one has ever gotten as many chances as he has. In these chances, on 12 occasions, his opposition was New Zealand. Out of which 5 matches were played against New Zealand in New Zealand and the rest in Pakistan, 3 matches against Afghanistan, and 3 against Ireland in the recent series. So his total exposure against other oppositions is only 3, out of which he has played 12 matches against one team."

"If you are playing in a multinational event and one match against Australia, one against West Indies, and one against India and you couldn't make plan and surprise element comes, which are modern debatable points, which used to be off debate in the past, it was player's own that you have to observe and perform and score runs."

"Now, with help of all this information available, if you couldn't do in those 20 matches for which your talent was witnessed, and I say again Saim Ayub is very talented and I pray, may he perform well. But if he is not able to perform, I think we should not give him that push which can ruin his career. So I think he will not be retained for the Pakistan squad for the ICC T20I World Cup 2024."

 

[Bewal Express]

Nice starts but little of substance to justify the hype. He is talented but that is only half of the battle, its a game of stats and his need to improve.

 

[Markhor]

During a program on a local channel, Salman Butt criticized Saim Ayub's recent form:

"In my opinion, if Saim is retained, he should consider himself the luckiest ever to have played for Pakistan because no one has ever gotten as many chances as he has.

Of all the people to make that statement - a man who averaged 30 after 33 Tests.

 

[Rana]

Of all the people to make that statement - a man who averaged 30 after 33 Tests.

He’s a strong advocate of RizBar because they play T20 like he did

 

[Cricket Warrior]

No, he is trying to play his natural shots and he keeps getting out playing his favorite shot.

yeah while playing that famous "No brain shot"

 

[emranabbas]

After analysing saim seems like he's been given the job to come out and go all out while holding the wicket at the other end no wonder he gets out to a nothing shot.

Kirsten needs to fix that

Saim needs to settle in a few balls before going all out and the kid on the other side of the wicket needs to sort this out too Holding wicket at one end in an old approach both need to play aggressive

 

[MenInG]

Stay on topic.

Thread about Saim.

 

[mominsaigol]

During a program on a local channel, Salman Butt criticized Saim Ayub's recent form:

"In my opinion, if Saim is retained, he should consider himself the luckiest ever to have played for Pakistan because no one has ever gotten as many chances as he has. In these chances, on 12 occasions, his opposition was New Zealand. Out of which 5 matches were played against New Zealand in New Zealand and the rest in Pakistan, 3 matches against Afghanistan, and 3 against Ireland in the recent series. So his total exposure against other oppositions is only 3, out of which he has played 12 matches against one team."

"If you are playing in a multinational event and one match against Australia, one against West Indies, and one against India and you couldn't make plan and surprise element comes, which are modern debatable points, which used to be off debate in the past, it was player's own that you have to observe and perform and score runs."

"Now, with help of all this information available, if you couldn't do in those 20 matches for which your talent was witnessed, and I say again Saim Ayub is very talented and I pray, may he perform well. But if he is not able to perform, I think we should not give him that push which can ruin his career. So I think he will not be retained for the Pakistan squad for the ICC T20I World Cup 2024."

Hahaha, nice joke butt sab.

Has he seen his face? Fixer captain who nearly killed our cricket and was made captain despite being a bang average medicore bat who didn't do anything to warrant captaincy in the first place.

 

[Kianig89]

Saim Ayub so far is nothing special infact his teknikuq (technique) is also not very strong as a batsman

 

[gazza619]

I just wished Pakistan has rested Babar & Rizwan in the T20s against NZ C at home.

Now Saim’s fans forever have this excuse that Babar & Rizwan are not letting Saim flourish.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Hahaha, nice joke butt sab.

Has he seen his face? Fixer captain who nearly killed our cricket and was made captain despite being a bang average medicore bat who didn't do anything to warrant captaincy in the first place.

I think whatever he said is on point. You might not like salman butt, but the thing he said makes sense. Saim has faced easy opponents yet like the New Zealand C-team, Afghanistan, and Ireland but he was nowhere near looking like an international material. He should have smashed them all over the park and book his spot 100% but if his place is still being questioned by many than there is something wrong for sure.

First t20 game against England, give him a go and see where he stands but I am not hoping for any wonders from him until he proves everybody wrong that he belongs there.

 

[Cric1234]

Saim Ayub so far is nothing special infact his teknikuq (technique) is also not very strong as a batsman

He’s not going to be an all time great based on what he’s shown as a lack of experience and a lack of ability as he’s still learning whilst playing International cricket are telling currently.

His overall T20 average domestic and international combined average is 22 which shows he struggles to spend longer period at the crease.

He needs to work on this aspect to improve his average and his strike rate should improve too then as he can hit boundaries... the problem is he can’t play within himself with Babar and Rizwan there at the world T20 hopefully he can score a 50 soon and build his confidence.

 

[mominsaigol]

I think whatever he said is on point. You might not like salman butt, but the thing he said makes sense. Saim has faced easy opponents yet like the New Zealand C-team, Afghanistan, and Ireland but he was nowhere near looking like an international material. He should have smashed them all over the park and book his spot 100% but if his place is still being questioned by many than there is something wrong for sure.

First t20 game against England, give him a go and see where he stands but I am not hoping for any wonders from him until he proves everybody wrong that he belongs there.

See what you're telling me, you're saying it from the perspective of a true pakistani fan.

Salman butt is saying it from the perspective of being disingenuous and supporting the ba/riz movement to be their chamcha.

It's not about likes and dislikes, I can read intentions like a book.

 

[BouncerGuy]

See what you're telling me, you're saying it from the perspective of a true pakistani fan.

Salman butt is saying it from the perspective of being disingenuous and supporting the ba/riz movement to be their chamcha.

It's not about likes and dislikes, I can read intentions like a book.

I don't care about anybody's intentions because I don't know the intentions, cannot judge a guy for his intention which I have no idea about. Only God knows the intentions but words are true in the sense that Saim needs to wake up before he is discarded.

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't care about anybody's intentions because I don't know the intentions, cannot judge a guy for his intention which I have no idea about. Only God knows the intentions but words are true in the sense that Saim needs to wake up before he is discarded.

Oh bhai, I've been following salman butt for a whike. Ik his intentions mate

 

[BouncerGuy]

Oh bhai, I've been following salman butt for a whike. Ik his intentions mate

I said what I said. If a person is saying a thing that is right when you look what he is saying then I will back it. Salman said, saim needs to improve, yes he needs to improve. We cannot carry him for his no-look shot that brings no fruit for his own being let alone the team.

 

[mominsaigol]

I said what I said. If a person is saying a thing that is right when you look what he is saying then I will back it. Salman said, saim needs to improve, yes he needs to improve. We cannot carry him for his no-look shot that brings no fruit for his own being let alone the team.

Because its easy to say the obvious on media.

Misbah in 2020: Babar and rizwan are the best opening combo.

Misbah in 2024: Hmm I think Pakistan needs a right hand and left hand combo at the top( Said this as soon as saim became mainstream)

Misbah now: Hmm I think we need Babar and rizwan again.

It's easy to blurt out the obvious on TV? It's like saying 2+2 is 4?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Because its easy to say the obvious on media.

Misbah in 2020: Babar and rizwan are the best opening combo.

Misbah in 2024: Hmm I think Pakistan needs a right hand and left hand combo at the top( Said this as soon as saim became mainstream)

Misbah now: Hmm I think we need Babar and rizwan again.

It's easy to blurt out the obvious on TV? It's like saying 2+2 is 4?

depends on conditions. Saim was scoring runs in leagues so everybody was voting for him to be the opener but he has failed in 20 games now so I just want to know that how many more games will he need before he becomes an international quality player and not just a league bully? If it is obvious then sure.

 

[mominsaigol]

depends on conditions. Saim was scoring runs in leagues so everybody was voting for him to be the opener but he has failed in 20 games now so I just want to know that how many more games will he need before he becomes an international quality player and not just a league bully? If it is obvious then sure.

My point is butt, Misbah and these munafiqs have a habit of just stating the obvious.

The moment saim scores like azam did, everyone will jump on the train and be like hmmm, we need this combo. These guys aren't analysts. Their just stating the obvious and flop like a fish whenever convenient.

Ik the type of person Salman butt is. If he was captain he'd threaten and kick people out and would establish an even more threatening dosti yari culture then Bobby does.

This man doesn't have any right to speak about Pakistan cricket anymore.

 

[BouncerGuy]

This man doesn't have any right to speak about Pakistan cricket anymore.

why not?

 

[mominsaigol]

why not?

Because unlike Amir who

A) Redeemed himself with ct 2017

B) Will always be controversial as to whether he actually did it on free will or was forced into doing it as we don't know the lawyers full POV.

C) Admitted it straight away

Salman Butt

A) Never redeemed himself, infact he made a fool out of himself on Nadir Ali podcast.

B) Is not controversial as he was the main perpetrator and was the full cause of the spot fixing saga.

C) Did not admit it until forced.

D) Is just a toxic individual who's trying his hardest to be relevant. If he had any shame, he'd take the nasir jamshed route and dissappear into the abyss never being heard of or mentioned again.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Because unlike Amir who

A) Redeemed himself with ct 2017

B) Will always be controversial as to whether he actually did it on free will or was forced into doing it as we don't know the lawyers full POV.

C) Admitted it straight away

Salman Butt

A) Never redeemed himself, infact he made a fool out of himself on Nadir Ali podcast.

B) Is not controversial as he was the main perpetrator and was the full cause of the spot fixing saga.

C) Did not admit it until forced.

D) Is just a toxic individual who's trying his hardest to be relevant. If he had any shame, he'd take the nasir jamshed route and dissappear into the abyss never being heard of or mentioned again.

Even if salman butt was the planner for that spot-fixing saga, then amir and asif were equally involved it that because they joined him. They should disappear as well then. Not trying to bring any past here TBH.

I just want Saim to listen to the whole world that he neds to improve and Salman is one of those people telling him the same.

 

[emranabbas]

Even if salman butt was the planner for that spot-fixing saga, then amir and asif were equally involved it that because they joined him. They should disappear as well then. Not trying to bring any past here TBH.

I just want Saim to listen to the whole world that he neds to improve and Salman is one of those people telling him the same.

He is not going to improve when some cunning person on the other side is going to say to him "I'll hold the wicket one end and you go all out"

He needs to come in and play his natural game like he does in PSL

Realistically he needs to be tried opening with fakhar

 

[mominsaigol]

Even if salman butt was the planner for that spot-fixing saga, then amir and asif were equally involved it that because they joined him. They should disappear as well then. Not trying to bring any past here TBH.

I just want Saim to listen to the whole world that he neds to improve and Salman is one of those people telling him the same.

Bro, I don't need to explain the whole saim thing as amjid javed already explained it very well.

Theirs a way to groom players. Pakistan has been relying on one player who happens to be a generational prodigy in fakhar to win them games while the rest stat pad.

Everyone else who doesn't stat pad and tries to attack always fails and gets discarded.

We saw this with haider ali, Haris, saim etc etc. Ask yourself why is their such a consistent trend? Of this happening even since babar took over captaincy?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Imad wasim is a better odi batsmen then babar 100%, let's have their side by side team stat war right now.

How is an avg of 42 and sr of 110 batting at no 7 worse then an avg if 56 which was originally 60 but dropped by 4 points due to a trash 2023 wc and a sr of 88 at No 3 better?

How is an average of 33 against India better then an average of 71 against India that imad has? Go on I'll wait.

You are kidding right?

Imad's average is inflated by minnow bashing and not outs, he doesn't have a single high quality knock against top teams, comparing him to Babar is ridiculous.

 

[BouncerGuy]

This thread is not about Imad vs Babar comparison so please do not turn it into one.

 

[Bewal Express]

We can all see that the lad has immense talent and needs to be a given a long rope but so far Not enough output from Saim.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Salman Butt was right, he is the luckiest cricketer in the history of Pakistan cricket.

 

[Rana]

Back the boy

He will win you a big game InshaAllah

 

[MenInG]

Back the boy

He will win you a big game InshaAllah

Ameen, Allahuma Ameen

 

[Rana]

Ameen, Allahuma Ameen

Against India

Left handed Pakistani opening batsmen have a legacy against them.

 

[MenInG]

Against India

Left handed Pakistani opening batsmen have a legacy against them.

You know - I am so convinced that he will come good in this World Cup.

 

[Rana]

You know - I am so convinced that he will come good in this World Cup.

I have no doubt either.

Seen plenty of cricket.

Not going to panic because of some new age fans

 

[AAli98]

Walking wicket what do you want to squeeze out of him.. send him back to domestic for 2 years try again.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Back the kid man. He's young, he's playing a position where Pakistan are lacking. He's probably chucked in too early & he's sinking.

He needs support and guidance which I hope he gets from Gary Kirsten.

 

[Rana]

Walking wicket what do you want to squeeze out of him.. send him back to domestic for 2 years try again.

What’s a walking wicket?

Travis Head is a walking wicket too. He’s ready to get out every ball.

What’s the purpose of T20? What’s the purpose of batting in the powerplay?

You don’t get extra points for not getting out by not even trying

 

[daytrader]

Because its easy to say the obvious on media.

Misbah in 2020: Babar and rizwan are the best opening combo.

Misbah in 2024: Hmm I think Pakistan needs a right hand and left hand combo at the top( Said this as soon as saim became mainstream)

Misbah now: Hmm I think we need Babar and rizwan again.

It's easy to blurt out the obvious on TV? It's like saying 2+2 is 4?

Misbah brought back Sharjeel in his last series as coach. He broke the Rizbar partnership and preferred a left right combo with a power hitter at the top.

 

[mominsaigol]

Misbah brought back Sharjeel in his last series as coach. He broke the Rizbar partnership and preferred a left right combo with a power hitter at the top.

Theirs no lies. All these interviews were made after his highness got sacked.

 

[daytrader]

Theirs no lies. All these interviews were made after his highness got sacked.

Okay so either I am lying or you are. So let's sort this out and try to stick to the topic this time.

Did Misbah bring back Sharjeel?

 

[Rana]

bah brought back Sharjeel in his last series as coach. He broke the Rizbar partnership and preferred a left right combo with a power hitter at the top.

There was no RizBar combination when Sharjeel was brought back

It was supposed to be FakhJeel

Misbah tried RizJeel with Fakhar at 4! He botched this big time.

RizBar was created when Babar decided he isn’t going to play at number 3, and was backed by Misbah and later empowered by Ramiz. There was no breaking of the RizBar by Misbah as you claim.

 

[Master Blaster]

There is a limit to the number of times a batter can flop in his career. The youngest left hand youngster the world has ever seen in recent times has already exhausted the number of failures marked for him at a very early stage of his career.

Now no doubt that he is going to be the player of T20 World Cup by a fair margin.

 

[daytrader]

No theirs no either or. I'm talking about interviews Misbah made in his podcast after he got booted out and sacked as a coach which he rightfully got booted.

You trying to shoehorn sharjeel in to an interview conversation has no bearings.

Lol okay bro. You just can't admit your mistakes.

It was your argument that Misbah only supported a left hand right hand combination because Saim has gone mainstream. I just pointed out that Misbah has supported such a combo even before 2024 case in point being playing Sharjeel, who's a left hander.

So you're obviously lying and have been caught with your pants down. Not the first time either and won't be the last.

Some of your other lies that I remember on top of my head:

1. Misbah promoted Asad Shafiq to 3 and I had corrected you that AS was already playing at 3 before Misbah became captain.

2. You referenced a Nadir Ali podcast saying that Sarfraz was against the selection of Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal. Another lie as you have failed to provide any such proof or a clip of the said argument.

Admit it, you will lie through your teeth cause Mr. President can't be wrong.