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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Saim Ayub - the real deal or a flash in the pan?

Saim needs to be backed all the way to the WC final.

The knives are out too early and they will drawn again for the next player and the one after that until you give people a full run to fulfil their potential.
 
You know a young Gilchrist was told you have got 4/6 games to score otherwise bye bye. This is why Aus have 50 icc trophies in there cabinet & Pak are still polishing the 92 World Cup.
 
AAli98 said:
You know a young Gilchrist was told you have got 4/6 games to score otherwise bye bye. This is why Aus have 50 icc trophies in there cabinet & Pak are still polishing the 92 World Cup.
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Can you show where a young Gilchrist was told he has 4-6 games?
 
AAli98 said:
You know a young Gilchrist was told you have got 4/6 games to score otherwise bye bye. This is why Aus have 50 icc trophies in there cabinet & Pak are still polishing the 92 World Cup.
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T20 era is different. If a player is playing the game properly there is a high risk he will fail.
However once you identify the player has the raw ingredients and potential you have to back him to eventually come good.

He has played just 20 games. That is nothing in T20 cricket.
 
emranabbas said:
i 100 percent guarantee you babar or rizwan on the other end are telling him to go all out while they keep the wicket on the other end. strategy normally applied in odi's when one batsmen is weaker than the other.

he made 49 when he opened with harris, and he made 47 when he was playing with fakhar
all his other scores have been poor.

he needs to come in settle in before he starts going crazy
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We can make all the excuses we like. It's a game of statistics but if you average 15, people will ask questions. I want him to be given a long rope but ultimately its each man and his stats.
 
Rana said:
Doesn’t look like it. The guy doesn’t have enough power to clear square boundaries against pacers on faster tracks,

Unless there are smaller boundaries, not sure how he will clear them in the West Indies
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I agree. When the ball goes above certain height his downswing quiet often catches the splice. It is a case of ball hitting the bat rather than bat hitting the ball. That is why it doesn't travle much. It has to be at certain height for him to nail it. He has to work on his timing given that he is a small framed guy.
 
Rana said:
Doesn’t look like it. The guy doesn’t have enough power to clear square boundaries against pacers on faster tracks,

Unless there are smaller boundaries, not sure how he will clear them in the West Indies
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It happens because he doesn't want to play square of the wicket. He tries to drag every ball towards fine leg which leads to him losing his wicket.

He needs to play shots on merit not single dimensional foolish looking no-look shots.
 
Rana said:
G Kirsten spent an extra hour with him giving him throw downs

Hopefully he sees Saim the way I do.

Believe in him.
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Kirsten will find out about the karachi media hype and karachi quota on pakistan

He'll adapt since south africa suffers the same misery of the black quota.

But he will have to keep schtum and carry on with the throw downs to the tik tok Star who in reality is worse batsmen than khurram manzoor and imran farhat
 
Imagine Younis Khan was his captain and he was surrounded by real greatness :afridi :razzaq, real iron sharpens iron, they’d take him to glory and inspire him to new heights.

Instead though, in the current dressing room, he looks around and the so called top names, who play for themselves and lack true leadership.
 
mazkhan said:
Kirsten will find out about the karachi media hype and karachi quota on pakistan

He'll adapt since south africa suffers the same misery of the black quota.

But he will have to keep schtum and carry on with the throw downs to the tik tok Star who in reality is worse batsmen than khurram manzoor and imran farhat
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Still better than Shehzad fanboys still demanding his inclusion :ROFLMAO:

Always have some posters on here randomly name dropping some proven 30 something year old hacks that haven't played international cricket for years to be put back in the team like he's second coming of Gilchrist.
 
Rana said:
G Kirsten spent an extra hour with him giving him throw downs

Hopefully he sees Saim the way I do.

Believe in him
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This will only result in more pain.

If a guy cant score in 20 tries including minnows, than even science is against u.
 
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This was last month so he has it in him. I am giving him a long rope because he is the most natural batter I've seen for a while and he is only 22 and looks a genuine 22 too. I don't like batters like Usman Khan and even Rizwan, its chop hack chop hack, horrible to watch so Saim needs 30-50 more matches.
 
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Rana said:
So Pakistan should just get rid of him?

What should they do now?
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There was no need of bringing him back. Pakistan needs to move on from bits and pieces players like Imad, Shadab and Nawaz and invest in specialist spinners like Abrar.

Now that he is back, he will die on his natural course. He doesn't have the chops to play ODIs because he knows he will get exposed there, and you cannot survive for long as one format player at the age of 35 and with dodgy knees.

Imad, like Amir, doesn't have the chops and they will bail on Pakistan again very soon. I am just waiting for the day they go again and I can tell everyone that bringing them back had zero impact on the team and it proved to be a waste of time.
 
Saim is a must in the T20 line up.

The senior players have to take responsibility to allow a young charge to play with freedom and without fear of failure.

The same applies to Muhammad Haris.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Thank god they have droped saim, we can expect some score from the openers now.
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Looking at how poor Azam and Shadab were today and how rope Usman looks, Saim will be back soon. Hopefully he takes advantage of his opportunity because he hasn't looked any better than these guys.
 
He should play middle order now.

Usman should be opening. But I think Saim has to play now, just so Azam can be dropped. And Shadab is doing terrible up the order. There’s no more batsmen in the squad. Play him at 5 and tell him no pressure, give him the whole of the World Cup. Even if he scores no runs, he will still have a higher net benefit than Azam in the team keeping.
 
ads101 said:
He should play middle order now.

Usman should be opening. But I think Saim has to play now, just so Azam can be dropped. And Shadab is doing terrible up the order. There’s no more batsmen in the squad. Play him at 5 and tell him no pressure, give him the whole of the World Cup. Even if he scores no runs, he will still have a higher net benefit than Azam in the team keeping.
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I guess that is the best Pakistan can do now. Drop Azam for Saim, drop Iftikhar for Imad and we are good to go. Saim cannot do worse than what Azam or Iftikhar did.
 
BouncerGuy said:
I guess that is the best Pakistan can do now. Drop Azam for Saim, drop Iftikhar for Imad and we are good to go. Saim cannot do worse than what Azam or Iftikhar did.
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Iftikhar is still a batsman I’d keep him. I agree he should be replaced but there’s not enough batsmen in the squad, it’s too weak, as as bad as iftikhar has been, I think he’s a better bat than Shadab. I think Imad should come in for Shadab, and one of the fast bowlers for abrar (or Shadab if he really needs to play). So we have at least 6 proper bats and one allrounder good with the bat in Imad.

Iftikhar at least doesn’t really cost us runs on the field like Azam, and can bowl a bit.
 
Salman Butt speaking during an interview:

“There is no excuse for Saim Ayub. He is a brilliant talent but unfortunately, he did not click at the highest level. It’s about an opener getting 21 games and playing 13-14 matches out of 21 only against New Zealand. This is a huge number against a single opposition. Considering the talent he has, it’s a big surprise for me that he couldn’t get going or score big. I don’t know what the coach has told him because he plays very openly and doesn’t need to be told to hit. That is what he do, that’s why he was brought in. Similarly, Usman Khan didn’t play many matches, but Azam Khan and Saim Ayub got a lot of opportunities.”​
 
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Babar Azam speaking during a Post-match presser about Saim Ayub:

“Before leaving Pakistan, I had said that we would be flexible. At any time, any player can play according to the situation. Unfortunately, Saim Ayub couldn’t perform as expected. He is a good player, a game-changing player, an aggressive player, but he is not getting the go-to knock or the innings that would set him in motion. Whatever is best for the team, we plan for it and proceed with it.”​
 
BouncerGuy said:
Babar Azam speaking during a Post-match presser about Saim Ayub:

“Before leaving Pakistan, I had said that we would be flexible. At any time, any player can play according to the situation. Unfortunately, Saim Ayub couldn’t perform as expected. He is a good player, a game-changing player, an aggressive player, but he is not getting the go-to knock or the innings that would set him in motion. Whatever is best for the team, we plan for it and proceed with it.”​
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Hahaha. You only look after your substandard friends.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Babar Azam speaking during a Post-match presser about Saim Ayub:

“Before leaving Pakistan, I had said that we would be flexible. At any time, any player can play according to the situation. Unfortunately, Saim Ayub couldn’t perform as expected. He is a good player, a game-changing player, an aggressive player, but he is not getting the go-to knock or the innings that would set him in motion. Whatever is best for the team, we plan for it and proceed with it.”​
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He is a game changer against mediocre bowlers like cpl and psl. He was badly exposed against quality attacks like auss,eng,nz. He will also fail against india. This captain is destroying pakistan cricket.
 
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Inswinging Yorker said:
He is a game changer against mediocre bowlers like cpl and psl. He was badly exposed against quality attacks like auss,eng,nz. He will also fail against india. This captain is destroying pakistan cricket.
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Babar gave him enough chances to find his feet but this guy underperformed. He gave him chances so how is it destroying cricket?

Had he dropped him after 4-5 games people will still say the same thing. I think Babat left no stones inturned to give him ample time to do something good but Saim failed big time.
 
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BouncerGuy said:
Babar gave him enough chances to find his feet but this guy underperformed. He gave him chances so how is it destroying cricket?

Had he dropped him after 4-5 games people will still say the same thing. I think Babat left no stones inturned to give him ample time to do something good but Saim failed big time.
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how can a 350-pound man be picked ahead of fit players who perform? it's a disgrace to any player who works hard to be fit. the captain has a say in who makes the side. nepotism at its worst.
 
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After this world cup, build around him and invest in him.

All the senior players will have to fall in line or kicked out.
 
Lol

Make Saim Ayub play first and make sure Rizwan and Babar are not looking to snap his wings
 
Barragan said:
After this world cup, build around him and invest in him.

All the senior players will have to fall in line or kicked out.
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Fakhar Zaman. Need his mindset to transfer over Pakistan team. But before that we also need a competent and non political Chairman and men like Ehsan Mani and Mohammad Wasim.

Today Fakhar was standing on the non striker end. While he saw his team crumble. Summed up the current system and dressing room.
 
It’s threads like these I look forward to.

Silly boy. Log off and take a shanti pill.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Fakhar Zaman. Need his mindset to transfer over Pakistan team. But before that we also need a competent and non political Chairman and men like Ehsan Mani and Mohammad Wasim.

Today Fakhar was standing on the non striker end. While he saw his team crumble. Summed up the current system and dressing room.
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I wouldn't mind Fakhar as a stop-gap with Saim as deputy
 
RidiculousMan said:
Fakhar Zaman. Need his mindset to transfer over Pakistan team. But before that we also need a competent and non political Chairman and men like Ehsan Mani and Mohammad Wasim.

Today Fakhar was standing on the non striker end. While he saw his team crumble. Summed up the current system and dressing room.
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Who do we have to get rid off from the team to make Fakhar’s mindset shift towards the team?
 
Barragan said:
Only way forward.

Only young batsman capable of playing fearless and aggressive cricket

Time to move forward in Pak cricket
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I get the point regarding youth being an innovation, but let him make a name for himself first.
 
babar, rizwan, shadab, iftikhar, azam khan, naseem, rauf and any other of babar's friends need to be kicked out first
 
Make someone captain who cant find opening spot in the team.

I am all for innovation but he needs to but bat on ball first.

Keep the gems coming tonight.
 
Barragan said:
After this world cup, build around him and invest in him.

All the senior players will have to fall in line or kicked out.
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You're better of making Muhammad haris captain.

He actually has captaincy experience and led the team to acc emerging cup victory.

Saim has no clue how to captain.

You want someone like haris and you wanna give him 100% control without any outside interference for it to work since all Muhammad haris cares about is attacking cricket. Dude has even kicked out hasebullah, and usman qadir and various other nepotistic selections from his unit for just being slow as molasses.

Saim ayub will bow to Bobby and rizwan whereas Muhammad haris will have no issue booting them into the abyss
 
Rana said:
@Barragan

Here is your problem. This is the mindset you are fighting against
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What? The mindset of let a player establish himself in international cricket first before lumbering him with the double edge sword of Pakistani captaincy?

Your as bad as the OP.
 
I think this is all wishful thinking.

If anything, Babar supporters must have celebrated his 44 today with Gulab Jamun.

He is not leaving captaincy anytime soon.
 
Rana said:
Who do we have to get rid off from the team to make Fakhar’s mindset shift towards the team?
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You need a fair and competent Chairman. He makes Fakhar captain and hires a proper staff and make a long term vision for Pakistan Cricket. Fakhar of course will have some decent control over the team.

If this happens. In 5 years time you will see a team. (Whoever players they maybe). Some players will be new. A few older ones. Some from domestic who are neglected. But you will see his clear and attacking mindset shift onto the players.

It's not just and only Fakhar. But the process and the champion mindset that he posses. Another example is a guy like Aamer Jamal. On debut. Fights with Cummins toe to toe as the best bowler in the series. When he bats. Smacks the Australian trio and Lyon apart. This is a mindset thing more than skill.

People with champion mindset thinking want to be around others like them. If there's a captain like that he will recognize those players and if he would personally work with Aamer Jamal to make sure he's ready as a bowler also for the WT20. Because at the end of the day it's all about winning. Players who settle for less do not cut it simply.
 
After this WC the next WC is two years away.

Babar
Amir
Imad
Chacha
Shadab
Haris Rauf
And I'm not 100 percent sure yet but Fakhar Zaman.

Should all be dropped from T20. They are either not good enough or will be too old for the next WC.

The batting line up should be built on M Haris, Abdullah Shafique and Saim.
 
Hahaha

We are truly a doomed cricket team. I see no real future

Nothing to look forward to. Third class grassroot cricket and domestic tournament and we are producing railu kathay level talent these days
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Dr_Bassim said:
I think this is all wishful thinking.

If anything, Babar supporters must have celebrated his 44 today with Gulab Jamun.

He is not leaving captaincy anytime soon.
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Until ct 2025 he ain't going anywhere
 
We are getting too emotional now, Saim himself needs to learn a lot before stepping in such shows. There are multiple other candidates too other than Babar
 
The Bald Eagle said:
We are getting too emotional now, Saim himself needs to learn a lot before stepping in such shows. There are multiple other candidates too other than Babar
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This is not emotional, this the way forward.

Who else you going to give it to?

It deserves its own thread
 
RidiculousMan said:
If he retires. He will retire as the most successful T20I captain at the time of retirement
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Yes, Add losses to USA and Ireland on his resume. Also add in Canada as well now. Shame we can't add in Afghanistan as that happened in odi.

This USA team was better then Pakistan through and through, they had better bowlers, fielders and batters. A super over only happened because just like Afghanistan they chocked at the end probs due to pressure of playing a test nation.

But unlike Afghanistan, kudrat ki nizam didn't help, I believe in God and I believe he has a way of divine retribution. He gave Afghanistan this retribution last year for mankading but he gave Pakistan this retribution for their Non chalant drama bazi and treating things like a vacation. I have no sympathy for the shaheen drop catch, the fielding is poor cause everyone is unfit period
 
What was the point of replacing him?

So Babar can score 4 off 14 in the powerplay against USA?
 
Saim would have failed against Mr google bowling

He wouldn't have made any difference.

Pakistan actually consolidated well.


The big problem is the bowling which no one talks about
 
Finally, he gets a chance to play as he has replaced Iftikhar for the third game of this world cup. Too late?

I guess that was the best decision made by Babar so far during the whole campaign.
 
String of failures continues.

Saim Ayub in T20Is
Inns: 20
Runs: 292
Avg: 14.6
SR: 123.7
HS: 49
 
Kid's a good player, don't let's this innings fool you. He still is a good player, however he is quite raw for Intl. cricket.
 
Bang average player said it before a flash in the pan and looks worse with every innings he plays. Has no game awareness and lack of power. Needs to call it a day like Haider
 
Can’t judge anyone on these pitches. Saw a couple of knocks from him in leagues: very good talent. However I think I already saw a Jaiswal vs Ayub thread so there is that.
 
TeymurBlake said:
Kid's a good player, don't let's this innings fool you. He still is a good player, however he is quite raw for Intl. cricket.
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Have read this many times on this forum. Only read. Nothing on the field. No results. At some point all this talent has to translate into performance in the field.

We are now at the 20 innings mark. This work in progress/experiment, continues through a WC mind you. Not just bilaterals. Judging by the posts on this forum, 40, 50 innings. Maybe more. He should get limitless opportunities.
 
Over hyped after excelling against low quality bowlers in CPL and PSL. I have always maintained quality bowlers will expose him. Today low quality bowlers exposed him as well.
 
It's safe to say this guy is worse than farhat jamshed and tullabaz haider ali
 
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I once considered him a great talent, but it seems he has taken a horribly wrong turn. His shots lack power, his timing is off, and worst of all, he’s turning into a leg-side hack. What happened?
 
If he played in India game, Pakistan would've won. You can't have both Babar and Rizwan opening, for the simple fact that you have no middle order. Hence they need to be batting middle overs.
 
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