[Reports] UAE to be considered as co-host for the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 amidst India's travel concerns and the return of the 'Hybrid Model'

[Cover Drive Six]

I agree the Raw agents responsible should of been held to account.

Yeah... RAW agents attacked Sri Lankan cricketers with guns with the help of your army.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Yes you're right that both countries are being pretty immature and petty.

India is convinced that playing a ICC tournament match or two every 3-4 years in Pakistan will somehow enrich the Pakistani board and enable them to have extra money to send guns to terrorists to Kashmir.

Pakistan is convinced that letting a few Indian movies release in Pakistan will corrupt the Pakistani population and earn the Indian government enough money to ruthlessly oppress Kashmiris and support Balochistan separatists.

I don't see an Indians denying the reality of the Indian government policy though. I doubt there's an Eskimo living in Antarctica who isn't aware that Indian and Pakistan are hostile nations who want nothing to do with each other.

For some reason, folks on this board want an exception to be made for cricket. I'm fine with that but it's got to be part of a wider thaw in relations. Can't be a standalone thing. You can't blame the Indian government for doing everything in it's power to continue the hostility in the meanwhile. After all, Pakistan is doing the same thing.

What your failing to grasp is the ICC is the Governing body that is responsible for all the nations.

The indian board dictating effects the integrity of the sport and puts the ICC in disrepute.

Diverting and deflecting with with BS shows the level of ignorance you possess.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Yeah... RAW agents attacked Sri Lankan cricketers with guns with the help of your army.

Just like the mumbai attacks. snap .

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Imagine being an Indian and not wanting your team to travel to Pakistan. Knowing that your team is much stronger than Pakistan’s, to be able to beat your arch rivals in their own backyard would leave scars on every Pakistan fan.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

The ban was revoked and even now as per BCCI they have no issues, neither do players as Rohit said, it’s the GOI..

Visas would be unlikely even if it was the case.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

On the contrary BCCI keeping honor of PCB … just imagine in CT25 Pak lost in 1st round or lost to any weak team like they lost to USA.. congress hat will b the ppls reaction, they will do riots and not allowed tournament to continue

That's quite the fantasy lol.

 

[Thanos]

What your failing to grasp is the ICC is the Governing body that is responsible for all the nations.

The indian board dictating effects the integrity of the sport and puts the ICC in disrepute.

Diverting and deflecting with with BS shows the level of ignorance you possess.

BCCI is only saying that Indian team won't travel to Pak and can play only if hybrid model is in place.

What's stopping ICC and PCB to conduct CT25 without India?

 

[Sir Alex]

To gauge the actual reality , PCB should technically replace India with SL. Inform the media rights are going to be renegotiated. Get a new quote from broadcasters citing India is ''unavailable''. Compare the figures with India in the fray and without India in it. Check the financial feasibility and then either stick to the principle and host trophy in Pakistan only.
Or just accept hybrid model if the figures are very different

PCB doesn't own the broadcast rights of ICC events mate.

 

[Sir Alex]

Imagine being an Indian and not wanting your team to travel to Pakistan. Knowing that your team is much stronger than Pakistan’s, to be able to beat your arch rivals in their own backyard would leave scars on every Pakistan fan.

Come on man, It's 14-1 in India's favor in a rivalry running for 32 years plus. Even the most hardcore of Indian fan will have some sympathy for the Pak fan.

 

[Itachi]

Imagine being an Indian and not wanting your team to travel to Pakistan. Knowing that your team is much stronger than Pakistan’s, to be able to beat your arch rivals in their own backyard would leave scars on every Pakistan fan.

Let's be honest.

No one wants to play game on easy mode. It gets boring after a while.

You may win but there's no value in that win.

 

[Itachi]

What your failing to grasp is the ICC is the Governing body that is responsible for all the nations.

The indian board dictating effects the integrity of the sport and puts the ICC in disrepute.

Diverting and deflecting with with BS shows the level of ignorance you possess.

Why ICC is allowing to dictate.

Let's say BCCI is the spoiled son where as ICC is the responsible parent.

Why ICC is allowing it?

Just throw BCCI out of the picture since it is risking integrity of the sport. It's not that hard for ICC or is it?

 

[Sir Alex]

Why ICC is allowing to dictate.

Let's say BCCI is the spoiled son where as ICC is the responsible parent.

Why ICC is allowing it?

Just throw BCCI out of the picture since it is risking integrity of the sport. It's not that hard for ICC or is it?

But Isn't ICC compromised ?

Why trust them to do it after all the evidence indicating that they are in BCCi's pockets ? Only Recently BCCI lobbied to increase its revenue share to an all time high 39%.

Given this, shouldn't PCB just quit ICC and run it'd own independent cricket ? Lobby other boards and see if they are willing to break away from this BCCI dictatorship. There must be a few right ?

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Why ICC is allowing to dictate.

Let's say BCCI is the spoiled son where as ICC is the responsible parent.

Why ICC is allowing it?

Just throw BCCI out of the picture since it is risking integrity of the sport. It's not that hard for ICC or is it?

That's where you show a lack integrity and show your insincerity and replace it with nationalism.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

BCCI is only saying that Indian team won't travel to Pak and can play only if hybrid model is in place.

What's stopping ICC and PCB to conduct CT25 without India?

Firstly the indian board is obligated to as per ICC rules

Secondly every country has to respect the code of conduct they sign up for.

 

[Itachi]

That's where you show a lack integrity and show your insincerity and replace it with nationalism.

Let's say i have the lowest of integrity in the human genome pool, I am the most insincere person on earth who is blinded by ultra nationalism pro max.

You do not suffer from it. So please enlighten us the real reason WHY ICC is allowing BCCI to risk integrity of the game.

Reason please. Don't beat around the bush which you've been doing it here.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Imagine being an Indian and not wanting your team to travel to Pakistan. Knowing that your team is much stronger than Pakistan’s, to be able to beat your arch rivals in their own backyard would leave scars on every Pakistan fan.

Both countries actually need to move away from this extremely toxic mentality which frankly no other countries exhibit in sports.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Money will eventually talk. PCB will realize that without India's participation in the 2025 CT, the venture will be a loss making exercise for the PCB. PCB will eventually relent and accept a hybrid model for India's games in the UAE as a face saving measure in exchange for Pakistan's 2026 T-20 WC games being held in Sri Lanka.

The govt of Pakistan is not in any position to reimburse the PCB for any losses.

Realpolitik, real talk and what will really happen.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

Let's say i have the lowest of integrity in the human genome pool, I am the most insincere person on earth who is blinded by ultra nationalism pro max.

You do not suffer from it. So please enlighten us the real reason WHY ICC is allowing BCCI to risk integrity of the game.

Reason please. Don't beat around the bush which you've been doing it here.

Everyone who knows even a little about cricket knows but if you claim to be away with the fairies and are seriously out of touch and shouldn't be commenting on matters until your clued up.

You have proven your insincerity by discussing matters you have no clue about.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

That being said, If I'm PCB. I will be exploring the option of standing my ground of having all of Pakistan's matches being played in Pakistan.

It's upto ICC then to keep or separate India and Pakistan in the same group. If India and Pakistan come across in a Semi Final then I'm fortifying the game if India doesn't come in Pakistan. If Pakistan comes across India in a Final then I'm suggesting for a Trophy share or I'm fortifying that game as well. Unless of course India comes in Pakistan to play the one knockout game.

Forfeit or Forfeiting. Not Fortifying

 

[cricketAXEpert]

As per reports:

The ICC Champions Trophy 2025 is scheduled to take place in Pakistan from February 19 to March 9, featuring teams including the host nation Pakistan, along with Afghanistan, Australia, Bangladesh, England, India, New Zealand, and South Africa. India has expressed reluctance to travel to Pakistan due to concerns, which has led the ICC to consider contingency plans.

One significant option being discussed is a hybrid hosting model involving the UAE as a co-host. This model would see some of the tournament's matches played in the UAE, potentially easing travel logistics and addressing India's concerns. The ICC is contemplating this hybrid approach, which could impact the scheduling of key games, including the semi-finals and final.

The ICC's annual conference in Colombo from July 19 to 22 will be crucial in determining whether this hybrid model will be adopted. The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) strongly opposes the hybrid model and insists that the entire tournament should be hosted solely in Pakistan. The final decision will be made based on discussions at the conference, with the event schedule to be released shortly thereafter if the hybrid model is approved.​

This has become a regular song and dance show. Every time there is an event to be hosted by Pakistan, the same drama starts. PCB needs to work out an agreement in advance where India will play, so there is no drama like that. This jostling is seriously not good for cricket. One of these days PCB will not go for the hybrid model and India will not attend and then India will entice others teams to not attend. It will cause more divisions in ICC.

The Indian boycott has been going on for too long to be not recognized as beyond the control of cricket boards. It is time that all parties concerned to realize that it is up to the two governments to resolve this issue. It is not an issue for ICC to resolve. So every time an international tournament is awarded to PCB to should with this condition that India will get neutral venue till their govt decides to send them to Pakistan.

 

[Thanos]

Firstly the indian board is obligated to as per ICC rules

Secondly every country has to respect the code of conduct they sign up for.

But you said ICC is the governing body and responsible for all the nations.
If one nation is not following rules and respecting the imaginary code of conduct, why PCB isn't asking the governing body to take action against that nation?

If ICC and PCB together are not any taking action and organizing the tournament without BCCI, you should blame the ICC & PCB.

 

[Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH]

But you said ICC is the governing body and responsible for all the nations.
If one nation is not following rules and respecting the imaginary code of conduct, why PCB isn't asking the governing body to take action against that nation?

If ICC and PCB together are not any taking action and organizing the tournament without BCCI, you should blame the ICC & PCB.

Yes the ICC are the governing body and yes every nation has to abide by the code of conduct.

Its imaginary to you because you have no clue.

Its like saying if someone commits a crime but because the police didn't get involved it wasn't a crime.

The blame is with the one who puts the integrity of the sport at risk due to personal vendettas and arrogance.

https://images.icc-cricket.com/image/upload/prd/g03ng6jsuy6nxgyziati.pdf

 

[Itachi]

Everyone who knows even a little about cricket knows but if you claim to be away with the fairies and are seriously out of touch and shouldn't be commenting on matters until your clued up.

You have proven your insincerity by discussing matters you have no clue about.

I have already said I am ultra nationalism pro max that is why i can't see which is obvious to you.

So i request you to stop beating around the bush and just answer the simple question if you can.

Why does ICC is allowing BCCI to risk the integrity of the game?????

Unless of course ICC is itself has no morality and bowing down to money?

And if ICC bows down to money, how can ICC maintain the integrity?

 

[Thanos]

Yes the ICC are the governing body and yes every nation has to abide by the code of conduct.

Its imaginary to you because you have no clue.

Its like saying if someone commits a crime but because the police didn't get involved it wasn't a crime.

The blame is with the one who puts the integrity of the sport at risk due to personal vendettas and arrogance.

https://images.icc-cricket.com/image/upload/prd/g03ng6jsuy6nxgyziati.pdf

You are not able to defend your own point.

let me make it simple for you with an easy example.

Every class has all types of student.
Lets say one student is not interested in studying. Isn't it the responsibility of the class teacher or the principal to take action against the student?
Just make him stand outside the class and let everyone else study.

 

[Thanos]

Your waffling nonsense clearly.

You used crime-police analogy so all good but I used student-teacher and it's nonsense. Lol.
Let's have a look at your own words and we'll see who is waffling nonsense.

Its like saying if someone commits a crime but because the police didn't get involved it wasn't a crime.

For moment I would say, IT'S CRIME. And assume that the person is repeat offender for 10+ years.
Now who is responsible or should be blamed for not taking action against him?

I know you'll continue beating around the bush so no need to reply.
Good night.

 

[arunp]

Why ICC is allowing to dictate.

Let's say BCCI is the spoiled son where as ICC is the responsible parent.

Why ICC is allowing it?

Just throw BCCI out of the picture since it is risking integrity of the sport. It's not that hard for ICC or is it?

Incorrect analogy. BCCI is the rich dad, who is forcing ICC to mend ways. If not, they will cut them off of daily allowance.
So when BCCI says jump, PCB asks "how high"

 

[Rajdeep]

Current status quo needs to change. ICC should be the one that calls all the shots. Not BCCI.

Arranging a hybrid model for one team is simply absurd.

For the status quo to change, other boards need to bring in money for ICC. I know you strongly feel for this case and to a certain extent I also feel Pakistan sometimes get hard done by. However, as long as BCCI brings in lopsided revenue for ICC...absolutely nothing will change. Jay Shah will become head of ICC soon and it will even more India centric then on.

Cricket is not a popular sport and it is only surviving due to Indian market. Most boards are dependent on the dollars bring in by BCCI. Heck, Ramiz Raja himself said BCCI is funding PCB indirectly. Back in the 90s, every board used to bring in revenue but now more than 85% is generated by BCCI. People spend money to see Indian players playing and hence broadcasters spend majority of money covering Indian cricket. Simple. Do you know only bcoz Kohli and Rohit retired from T20s, this Champions Trophy is getting played in ODI format? Otherwise broadcasters were interested in T20 format for CT. This is the influence of Indian players and Indian cricket. So a fool would think ICC would go after BCCI...LOL. Go after BCCI and see play whom? World beating Bangladesh cricket team?

Even Tapal tea won't sponsor a tournament without India. Talk is cheap but in real world matter is different.

Now bcoz BCCI has power, they don't want to engage with a cricket board of a state that sends insurgents to kill its civilians. Ofcourse there are some political agenda behind it but this is the crux of the matter. Modi is running a coalition govt and if he allow Indian side to visit Pakistan, it will be a political suicide.

There is not much PCB can do here unfortunately. They need to swallow their fake ego, organize the torunament as hybrid model, keep all profits as host board, invest that money in the development of its junior cricket and look to improve overall Pakistan cricket. Taking a fight with BCCI will take them nowhere. PCB however should request ICC to not keep India and Pakistan in the same group going forward. That will be a genuine ask and we don't to witness this yearly drama of one off guaranteed Ind-Pak game.

 

[arunp]

Yes the ICC are the governing body and yes every nation has to abide by the code of conduct.

Its imaginary to you because you have no clue.

Its like saying if someone commits a crime but because the police didn't get involved it wasn't a crime.

The blame is with the one who puts the integrity of the sport at risk due to personal vendettas and arrogance.

https://images.icc-cricket.com/image/upload/prd/g03ng6jsuy6nxgyziati.pdf

Can PCB do anything other than crying/complaining ?

 

[arunp]

Imagine being an Indian and not wanting your team to travel to Pakistan. Knowing that your team is much stronger than Pakistan’s, to be able to beat your arch rivals in their own backyard would leave scars on every Pakistan fan.

What rivalry!! Just check the scores for the last decade or so. Rivalry is between two equals.

 

[Rajdeep]

Can PCB do anything other than crying/complaining ?

TBH...PCB has got hard done by. Lets not get carried away and be biased just bcoz we bring dollars in cricket market. Most of the complainsc so far is coming from posters here and not PCB. However, even if they do complain...they have a valid reason. Don't you think so?

 

[cricketjoshila]

New Delhi: In what could be a landmark move to further strengthen India’s standing in cricket, the International Cricket Council’s (ICC) all-powerful Finance & Commercial Affairs Committee (F&CA) is learnt to be working towards putting a working group in place to propose a new revenue sharing model. Those in the know say the Indian cricket board is likely to pocket 37% of ICC’s revenue from the 2024-2027 cycle should the proposal go ahead as planned.

This is a major jump from the 22.8% BCCI received in the previous cycle which ran from 2016-2023. During that period, the Indian cricket board pocketed $405 million.

The ICC has steadfastly believed that the Indian market alone contributes for more than 75% of the global body’s revenue.

However, the sale of media rights for the upcoming 2024-2027 cycle have disproved the theory, and instead underlined how India’s contribution is even larger than perceived.

For the first time the ICC decided to sell the rights territory-wise. In that, the India market alone fetched $3.04 billion. By ICC’s own “75% theory", this $3.04 billion should be 75% of all their global revenues right? But do you think the rest of the world, collectively, is contributing 25%?" say those tracking developments.
The Australian rights are believed to have been sold for approximately US$60m for four years.

In the case of the UK & Europe, the ICC has closed an eight-year deal with broadcaster Sky instead of four years — like in every other market — and those tracking this space say “This happened because the four-year deal was hardly fetching the ICC anything."
The rest of the world, all put together, is not bringing even US$500m to the table.

That means the Indian market alone is contributing 88 to 90% of ICC’s revenues. You go asking around in the industry and those who run the finances of the game will tell you — there was never any Big 3. There’s always been only Big 1", sources say.
Disney Star won both the digital and TV rights for the cycle and later signed a licensing agreement with Zee for the TV rights. The agreement enables Zee to broadcast ICC men’s and U-19 events falling in the 2024-2027 cycle.


Look at the amount coming in just for the media rights sold for the Indian market for 2024-2027 cycle. The number is humongous and is clearly filling up ICC coffers considerably. There will be two T20 World Cups, one Champions Trophy and one 50-over World Cup in the next cycle. Plenty of big-ticket tournaments will be played," industry sources tracking developments said.

The BCCI has also internally discussed the ongoing tax issue ahead of the 50-over World Cup in India, which begins in October. It is reliably learnt that the Indian cricket board is likely to ask the ICC to deduct Rs 955 crore – 21.84% tax surcharge on ICC’s broadcast revenue from the World Cup – from BCCI’s revenue share of the current cycle.
As per ICC’s norm, every host nation is required to get an exemption from their government for hosting tournaments organised by cricket’s global body. The BCCI and ICC were swimming in rough waters due to the contentious tax issue and with the Indian government not providing, or even indicating, a relief, the BCCI is likely to inform the ICC about its stand soon.

Under the proposed revenue share of 37%, BCCI should earn close to Rs 10,000 crore from ICC’s revenue share for the next cycle and the tax amount deducted will in a way be compensated from the gains of the 2024-2027 cycle.
A similar tax-related issue had cropped up ahead of the 2016 T20 World Cup and the BCCI didn’t get any relief from the government back then too. The BCCI lost close to Rs 193 crore as the tax exemption didn’t come their way in 2016 and the Indian cricket board is still fighting that case in the ICC tribunal.
“How can the government be asked to bend its rules? Even in 2016, during the T20 World Cup in India, a similar request was turned down by the Indian government so there was no point going that way again," added the source.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...i-from-2024-2027-cycle-exclusive-7544935.html

FYI, one of the most credible cricket websites has reported that the 8 year deal with SKY is worth 260mn

So in next 4 years

Indian territory will contribute $3bn
UK and Europe $130mn( Half of the $260mn 8 year deal)
Australia will contribute $60mn

Looks like The rest of the world will contribute far lesser amount.

This is my thread from PP.

Look at the money Indian territory is bringing. Compare it with RoW.

Imagine how little pakistani territory is contributing once you factor in other boards.

What will ICC do without India?

 

[arunp]

TBH...PCB has got hard done by. Lets not get carried away and be biased just bcoz we bring dollars in cricket market. Most of the complainsc so far is coming from posters here and not PCB.

PCB (Najam Sethi/Rameez Raja) did complain and rant in media. PCB filed a lawsuit which they ultimately lost.

However, even if they do complain...they have a valid reason. Don't you think so?

I am not sure if their reason is valid. Both nations are at logger heads. You cannot expect one nation to help or even standby another. It is ultimately evolution. Either of the entities will use all means necessary to weaken the other and gain supremacy.

Arrogant, muscular etc are the common adjectives used to describe superpowers in business, sports, politics, geopolitics. BCCI is no different.

 

[oatmeal]

This is my thread from PP.

Look at the money Indian territory is bringing. Compare it with RoW.

Imagine how little pakistani territory is contributing once you factor in other boards.

What will ICC do without India?

Disney massively overpaid for the rights in that bid. I think the next bid was half of what they offered.

They were going to sell the rights to Zee but then Zee backed out leaving them with all the liability. I guess they will sell a stake to Ambani to offload some of the costs

 

[rpant_gabba]

TBH...PCB has got hard done by. Lets not get carried away and be biased just bcoz we bring dollars in cricket market. Most of the complainsc so far is coming from posters here and not PCB. However, even if they do complain...they have a valid reason. Don't you think so?

No one did anything to PCB. Its current predicament is a result of Pakistan govt policies and PCB's own actions.

Their govt has had a hostile relationship with India. If you question this, it is idiocy and I'm wasting my time. SO given the history if you think India govt should make things easy for pakistan, it is idiocy.

PCB has used every opportunity to to undermine BCCI and it goes back to early 90's with asia cup and tour boycott over Babri Masjid. the ultimate harakiri is of course is creating problems for IPL combined with "presidential level security" they provided to SL team in 2009.

Their attempt to seek parity with BCCI is fools errand and the initiating the legal dispute on a flimsy MOU broke any and all sense of cooperation.

All of this is on PCB and no one else.

 

[nuttyprof]

No one did anything to PCB. Its current predicament is a result of Pakistan govt policies and PCB's own actions.

Their govt has had a hostile relationship with India. If you question this, it is idiocy and I'm wasting my time. SO given the history if you think India govt should make things easy for pakistan, it is idiocy.

PCB has used every opportunity to to undermine BCCI and it goes back to early 90's with asia cup and tour boycott over Babri Masjid. the ultimate harakiri is of course is creating problems for IPL combined with "presidential level security" they provided to SL team in 2009.

Their attempt to seek parity with BCCI is fools errand and the initiating the legal dispute on a flimsy MOU broke any and all sense of cooperation.

All of this is on PCB and no one else.

Good luck!!
Btw I agree.

 

[pratiktc]

What a mess ICC has made of what was a supposed to be a short fun tournament with good matches.

Always felt Champions Trophy became bloated and a neither here nor there type tourney.

It should have always remained FA cup style knockout like in 2000.
8 teams, 7 matches and finish within one week. Ideally always look to hold it in an emerging or new market to try and popularize the game.

 

[Itachi]

Yes the ICC are the governing body and yes every nation has to abide by the code of conduct.

Its imaginary to you because you have no clue.

Its like saying if someone commits a crime but because the police didn't get involved it wasn't a crime.

The blame is with the one who puts the integrity of the sport at risk due to personal vendettas and arrogance.

https://images.icc-cricket.com/image/upload/prd/g03ng6jsuy6nxgyziati.pdf

https://images.icc-cricket.com/image/upload/prd/g03ng6jsuy6nxgyziati.pdf

You just put the ethics guidelines here without even citing which clause was broken. At least give the clause no. which was broken.

To be honest, you write a lot but when it is time to getting down to discussing material facts, your argument becomes non existent.

 

[Itachi]

What a mess ICC has made of what was a supposed to be a short fun tournament with good matches.

Always felt Champions Trophy became bloated and a neither here nor there type tourney.

It should have always remained FA cup style knockout like in 2000.
8 teams, 7 matches and finish within one week. Ideally always look to hold it in an emerging or new market to try and popularize the game.

It isn't a mess. Everyone knew it will be hybrid.

ICC just waits till the last time so that it can say, "Since BCCI couldn't be convinced, thus without any fault of our own, we were forced to go for hybrid model....."

As a governing body, they have no blame hence.

 

[uppercut]

Come on man, It's 14-1 in India's favor in a rivalry running for 32 years plus. Even the most hardcore of Indian fan will have some sympathy for the Pak fan.

Bhai its actually 15-1 ... lol

 

[BouncerGuy]

ICC should have done that before giving hosting rights to Pakistan only. It is a known fact that India is not coming to Pakistan so why didn't ICC bring a co-host in the first place? That makes no sense. THat is some poor management form ICC.

 

[arunp]

ICC should have done that before giving hosting rights to Pakistan only. It is a known fact that India is not coming to Pakistan so why didn't ICC bring a co-host in the first place? That makes no sense. THat is some poor management form ICC.

Because Rambo et al wanted it. I am sure Rambo thought he had conned Ganguly who would use his public profile to convince GoI to visit Pakistan. Little did our Rambo know, Ganguly would be evicted.

 

[followed]

Bhai its actually 15-1 ... lol

Lol why are you lying. It's 73-57 in odis 12-9 in tests 3-10 in t20is in favour of Pakistan. This much your team got spanked over the years.LOL

 

[Sir Alex]

Bhai its actually 15-1 ... lol

Lol yeah - although the 2007 league match was technically a tie. But for practical purposes 15-1

Incredible.

 

[Jatlahoria]

the prime minister/political leadership of both countries can only solve this problem. It is higher than PCB or BCCI level. But is there a willingness politically?

 

[Thanos]

Because Rambo et al wanted it. I am sure Rambo thought he had conned Ganguly who would use his public profile to convince GoI to visit Pakistan. Little did our Rambo know, Ganguly would be evicted.

Even if Ganguly hadn't been evicted, he could do nothing in this matter. Whether to send the team or not to Pakistan is way above his pay scale.

 

[arunp]

Even if Ganguly hadn't been evicted, he could do nothing in this matter. Whether to send the team or not to Pakistan is way above his pay scale.

Absolutely!! Who would convince a deluded dumbo though...

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because Rambo et al wanted it. I am sure Rambo thought he had conned Ganguly who would use his public profile to convince GoI to visit Pakistan. Little did our Rambo know, Ganguly would be evicted.

Ganguly was not evicted. His term finished.

 

[light]

Am surprised many actually thought a full tournament would happen in Pakistan. Am even more surprised that many thinks that ICC will choose PCB's demand over BCCI's. Y'all need a reality check. None of the other 6 participant will go against BCCI and neither will ICC. You have a higher chance to move the whole tournament moved out of Pakistan 100% and remove Pakistan from the tournament and replaced by Sri Lanka than vice versa like many thinks. This was always on the cards when Asia Cup had a hybrid model and right there and then BCCI knew they had PCB's balls on a platter. BCCI just waited for the right opportunity to reveal their plan. It will be a hybrid model, guaranteed, just like the Asia Cup. A tournament like a world cup heavily favored Indian audience so India always had the morning games, didn't need to travel much, etc. And you think they wouldn't bend over for CT lol. Bro please ...

 

[nuttyprof]

Ganguly was not evicted. His term finished.

True. From what I understand he wanted to continue, but N Srinivas conducted a coup and he couldn’t continue. Ganguly had one more term remaining.

 

[BouncerGuy]

OKAY. Enough of Ganguly talk. Comeback on topic now

 

[Kianig89]

Pakistan are Robbed again , poor on PCB ' part should have had in writing with a hefty price shall BCCI back off.

No wonder Justice Cooke said " Clowns work in PCB"

 

[hamzi]

Everyone knows that the government has nothing to do with this...Indian athletes from all other sports regularly come to Pakistan for competitions. If the Indian government had issues why would the other sportsman be coming here? At this point it is a matter of Egos that is making this happen, coupled with the fact that Indian market dictates ICC so they get what they want.

This is also the reason why Cricket will never grow to be a worldwide sport like Football/Tennis e.t.c. Can you imagine this happening in any other sport?

In every other sport if a team/athlete doesn't compete against a specific Country then they are banned not the other way around.

Cricket has become a joke nowadays, sad to see a sport with so much potential becoming this.

 

[harshjoshi87]

This issue could have been solved if the two governments had diplomatic relations. Unfortunately it won't happen now.

India & Pakistan continue to have spoiled relations since 2016.

It won't change now.

Sad for both sets of fans that we get to see India Pakistan only in ACC & ICC tournaments.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Most likely hybrid model will be adopted.

Out of 15 matches, Pakistan will host 8 & UAE will get 7 including India-Pakistan & semi finals/final.

It is quite possible if India doesn't make final, it will be played at Lahore.

 

[Rajdeep]

No one did anything to PCB. Its current predicament is a result of Pakistan govt policies and PCB's own actions.

Their govt has had a hostile relationship with India. If you question this, it is idiocy and I'm wasting my time. SO given the history if you think India govt should make things easy for pakistan, it is idiocy.

PCB has used every opportunity to to undermine BCCI and it goes back to early 90's with asia cup and tour boycott over Babri Masjid. the ultimate harakiri is of course is creating problems for IPL combined with "presidential level security" they provided to SL team in 2009.

Their attempt to seek parity with BCCI is fools errand and the initiating the legal dispute on a flimsy MOU broke any and all sense of cooperation.

All of this is on PCB and no one else.

No one is questioning Pakistan govt's hostile relation with India. My point is simple, we should have a consistent approach towards them. We play with them in every ICC & ACC events, intentionally ask the governing bodies to put us in the same group, our media & fans absolutely goes gaga for that match, journalists shows all bhai chaara in cross border shows and then when it comes to play them in bilaterals we think about Mumbai attacks, our dying soldiers, cross border terrorism etc.

We don't want to travel Pakistan to play in Champions trophy as they are enemy nation but expect them to be in India for all global events where our fans lined up outside airport to take pictures with their players, Hyderabadi crowd chant 'Pakistan Zindabaad', media asks how they are enjoying Hyderabadi Biryani in press conference etc etc.

All of these sounds deeply fake and unfair arrangement to me. I am highly patriotic and yet strongly feel our stance against Pakistan as far as cricket is concerned is not consistent. Either you engage with them like you do with every other team or simply refuse to play them in any events. I am sure BCCI has enough clout to force ICC to keep Ind-Pak in separate groups.

Basically with this hybrid model, we are forcing the home team to fly in a foreign soil to play their home game against India abroad and also making other teams to do lots of unnecessary travel. We need not be so petty just bcoz we are rich.

Champions Trophy awarded to Pakistan was mistake by Ganguly back then. It would have been ideal for BCCI to forefiet from this tournament and let other teams play. Also, boycott all cricket ties with Pakistan unless the cross border terrorism stops. Now that will be a justified stance. What we are doing now is using them based on our interest/convenience and then using border excuse when we don't want to play them. In the process, we are making it inconvenient for every cricket team around the world and cricket as a sport. This has to stop.

 

[harshjoshi87]

No one is questioning Pakistan govt's hostile relation with India. My point is simple, we should have a consistent approach towards them. We play with them in every ICC & ACC events, intentionally ask the governing bodies to put us in the same group, our media & fans absolutely goes gaga for that match, journalists shows all bhai chaara in cross border shows and then when it comes to play them in bilaterals we think about Mumbai attacks, our dying soldiers, cross border terrorism etc.

We don't want to travel Pakistan to play in Champions trophy as they are enemy nation but expect them to be in India for all global events where our fans lined up outside airport to take pictures with their players, Hyderabadi crowd chant 'Pakistan Zindabaad', media asks how they are enjoying Hyderabadi Biryani in press conference etc etc.

All of these sounds deeply fake and unfair arrangement to me. I am highly patriotic and yet strongly feel our stance against Pakistan as far as cricket is concerned is not consistent. Either you engage with them like you do with every other team or simply refuse to play them in any events. I am sure BCCI has enough clout to force ICC to keep Ind-Pak in separate groups.

Basically with this hybrid model, we are forcing the home team to fly in a foreign soil to play their home game against India abroad and also making other teams to do lots of unnecessary travel. We need not be so petty just bcoz we are rich.

Champions Trophy awarded to Pakistan was mistake by Ganguly back then. It would have been ideal for BCCI to forefiet from this tournament and let other teams play. Also, boycott all cricket ties with Pakistan unless the cross border terrorism stops. Now that will be a justified stance. What we are doing now is using them based on our interest/convenience and then using border excuse when we don't want to play them. In the process, we are making it inconvenient for every cricket team around the world and cricket as a sport. This has to stop.

I do agree, BCCI shouldn't have let Pakistan on Indian soil during WC 2023 if they didn't want to go to Pakistan for CT 2025.

 

[uppercut]

Lol why are you lying. It's 73-57 in odis 12-9 in tests 3-10 in t20is in favour of Pakistan. This much your team got spanked over the years.LOL

Do you see any Indian cricket fan upset about that bilateral record ? No one cares even though we could have easily altered the W/L ratio in our favor by playing a very weak Pak team in the last 10 yrs or so.

Instead you will find Indians upset about that one T20I loss in the 2021 t20 WC ... also go look at how the Pakistani fans celebrated that win right here on this forum which should tell you all you need to know about what trophies really matter.

But It will be really hilarious to watch Pakistanis "brag" about the bilateral W/L record in a few years time when it would be nearly even just by playing icc and Asia Cups when the big match tally would be insanely lopsided and in favor of India.

 

[Itachi]

Everyone knows that the government has nothing to do with this...Indian athletes from all other sports regularly come to Pakistan for competitions. If the Indian government had issues why would the other sportsman be coming here? At this point it is a matter of Egos that is making this happen, coupled with the fact that Indian market dictates ICC so they get what they want.

This is also the reason why Cricket will never grow to be a worldwide sport like Football/Tennis e.t.c. Can you imagine this happening in any other sport?

In every other sport if a team/athlete doesn't compete against a specific Country then they are banned not the other way around.

Cricket has become a joke nowadays, sad to see a sport with so much potential becoming this.

It is already evident to see how cricket became world wide sport under the great leadership of Australia and England before BCCI took over.

In every other sport it doesn't happen? Why the hell Russian athletes are banned then? Why Germany was allowed to held Olympic in 1936 as a part of appeasement approach?

Matlab kuch bhi..... Facts can go to dustbin but I'll write whatever I want while closing my eyes and deny the reality.

 

[Master Blaster]

PCB for once should man up, announce to the world that BCCI is not it's daddy.

But guess status quo will be maintained once more by bending over to the commands of BCCI.

 

[deltexas]

PCB for once should man up, announce to the world that BCCI is not it's daddy.

But guess status quo will be maintained once more by bending over to the commands of BCCI.

Who is stopping pcb from doing that? They always give these bombastic statements but the end result is wha everyone knew months before. Have the pak posters here ever thought of that? Credit where it's due- bcci have turned ind cricket into a financial powerhouse and actually facilitated growth of cricket in Associates.

I posts this previously and everyone knows it except the pak posters here who are in denial. Bottomline is - no Ind, no CT. Will be hybrid model. And Pcb will 100% agree to it and bend over backwards to it. Pak posters here dont care about Ind - but ALL the other boards incl Pcb and the TV broadcasters care and they make the final decisions. None here will fork up the pcb losses..

 

[JaDed]

Everyone knows that the government has nothing to do with this...Indian athletes from all other sports regularly come to Pakistan for competitions. If the Indian government had issues why would the other sportsman be coming here? At this point it is a matter of Egos that is making this happen, coupled with the fact that Indian market dictates ICC so they get what they want.

This is also the reason why Cricket will never grow to be a worldwide sport like Football/Tennis e.t.c. Can you imagine this happening in any other sport?

In every other sport if a team/athlete doesn't compete against a specific Country then they are banned not the other way around.

Cricket has become a joke nowadays, sad to see a sport with so much potential becoming this.

Why is Russia banned from Paris Olympics? Can Russian athletes compete?

Russia is banned from the Paris Olympics, but cleared Russian athletes can participate as an Individual Neutral Athlete. Here's what to know.

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Why is Russia banned from Paris Olympics​

Nearly 200 countries will represented at the 2024 Paris Olympics, but Russia will not be one of them.
Russian athletes will not be allowed to compete under their country's flag or anthem this summer following the country's 2022 invasion of Ukraine, marking the fourth consecutive Olympics that Russia will compete under another delegation at the Summer and Winter Olympic Games.

Instead, eligible Russian competitors will participate as Individual Neutral Athlete, or AINs for short.
"The Olympic Movement is united in its sense of fairness not to punish athletes for the decisions of their government if they are not actively participating in them," the International Olympic Committee said in February 2022. "We are committed to fair competitions for everybody without any discrimination."

Is Russia playing at Euro 2024? Ban on national team, clubs in effect after war in Ukraine | Sporting News

Russia remain a notable absentee from EURO 2024 because of an international ban imposed on the national team.

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Since February 2022, FIFA and UEFA have imposed a ban on all Russian club and national teams featuring in the region's competitions following Russian president Vladimir Putin's decision to invade neighboring Ukraine.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Same points being cycled again and again in the thread

 

[FearlessRoar]

Fate of Pakistan’s hosting to be decided at ICC conference in Sri Lanka​

Sri Lanka Cricket (SLC) is set to host the International Cricket Council (ICC) Annual Conference from July 19 to 22. This event marks a historic occasion as it will be the first time that the prestigious conference will be held in the Asian region.

The conference will bring together more than 220 delegates from 108 ICC member countries, representing regions such as Africa, the Americas, Asia, East Asia, the Pacific and Europe. The ICC Annual Conference is the premier gathering for cricket administrators and stakeholders worldwide, providing a platform for discussions on the strategic direction, governance and development of the sport.

This year’s conference, themed ‘Seizing the Olympic Opportunity’, will address critical topics such as ‘Diversity and Inclusion’, ‘Environmental Sustainability in Sport’ and ‘Cricket’s Triumphant Return to LA28’.

Shammi Silva, President of Sri Lanka Cricket, expressed his excitement about hosting the event: “This is an important opportunity for Sri Lanka and we want to warmly welcome delegates from all over the world to our beautiful island. We intend to use this conference to contribute to the future of cricket and showcase the beauty and heritage of our country to the world.”

Additionally, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) is expected to raise concerns about the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 being hosted in Pakistan.

India has shown reluctance to participate on security grounds, prompting the ICC to consider alternative arrangements. Discussions at the Colombo conference may include the possible need for government approval and the possibility of a UAE co-hosting model.

There are concerns that India may withdraw at the last minute without a formal explanation, prompting the ICC to prepare contingency plans, including budgeting for alternative host countries along with Pakistan.

The annual conference will feature a series of keynote sessions, workshops and networking sessions. Critical decisions will be made to benefit the future of the game, ensuring that cricket continues to grow and thrive on the world stage.

https://thepakistandaily.com/fate-of-pakistans-hosting-to-be-decided-at-icc-conference-in-sri-lanka/

 

[Vikram1989]

Same points being cycled again and again in the thread

It looks like different artists but same story like a Bollywood movie

 

[TeymurBlake]

I'm all likelihood, the tournament will probably be moved out of Pakistan & potentially given to Sri Lanka or UAE.

For this to happen, PCB will likely be compensated

 

[FearlessRoar]

I'm all likelihood, the tournament will probably be moved out of Pakistan & potentially given to Sri Lanka or UAE.

For this to happen, PCB will likely be compensated

Nothing can compensate the people of Pakistan

 

[Dr_Bassim]

There is so much time.

Let India not play and invite Sri Lanka.

The only thing is PCB needs to find someone to cover the loss of this tournament without Indian participation.

It needs a good sponsor, thats all to cover the 200 million difference.

Watch India toe in line after that.

 

[Devadwal]

There is so much time.

Let India not play and invite Sri Lanka.

The only thing is PCB needs to find someone to cover the loss of this tournament without Indian participation.

It needs a good sponsor, thats all to cover the 200 million difference.

Watch India toe in line after that.

Just not for this tournament but PCB and others boards should Start generating More revenue for ICC.

Currently india is generating more than 80% revenue for the ICC.

 

[mominsaigol]

I do have one question. If a hybrid model is considered.

How can uae and Sri Lanka be Co hosts if their not in the tournament in the first place?

 

[Farabi]

All this bravado is good if you don't need the money to pay the bills.

50 per cent of PCB revenues are from the ICC.

Some vocal Indian voices continually assert India's superiority over Pakistan, especially in cricket. They argue that Pakistani cricket depends on India, while India doesn't need Pakistan. These voices often emphasize India's strengths and Pakistan's challenges.

While India's larger size, economic strength, and cricketing success are facts, constantly highlighting these differences doesn't foster positive relations between neighbors. The strategy of isolating Pakistan in cricket, citing "player safety," hasn't gained widespread support. Other countries continue to tour Pakistan, leaving India somewhat isolated in this approach.

India's achievements in economy and cricket are commendable. However, true regional leadership involves supporting neighbors' growth and fostering mutual benefits. Moving towards cooperation and empathy, rather than competition and dominance, could lead to more positive outcomes for both nations and the region as a whole. Thank you.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Some vocal Indian voices continually assert India's superiority over Pakistan, especially in cricket. They argue that Pakistani cricket depends on India, while India doesn't need Pakistan. These voices often emphasize India's strengths and Pakistan's challenges.

While India's larger size, economic strength, and cricketing success are facts, constantly highlighting these differences doesn't foster positive relations between neighbors. The strategy of isolating Pakistan in cricket, citing "player safety," hasn't gained widespread support. Other countries continue to tour Pakistan, leaving India somewhat isolated in this approach.

India's achievements in economy and cricket are commendable. However, true regional leadership involves supporting neighbors' growth and fostering mutual benefits. Moving towards cooperation and empathy, rather than competition and dominance, could lead to more positive outcomes for both nations and the region as a whole. Thank you.

Everyone knows that the Indian cricket team is the primary target when they play in Pakistan, not other countries. I'm not sure why you are comparing other foreign teams with India.

 

[Rajdeep]

I do agree, BCCI shouldn't have let Pakistan on Indian soil during WC 2023 if they didn't want to go to Pakistan for CT 2025.

Lol not only we let them in the country, BCCI even postponed the opening ceremony and decided to have it prior to Indo-Pak game 1 week after the tournament had started. Then after facing the backlash, the decided not to broadcast the event in TV and reserved only for crowd.

Remember in the last Asia cup only Ind-Pak game had reserve day? No other game had that, not even the finals.

So sometimes I fail to understand what is our stance as far Pakistan cricket is concerned. It is quiet evident from these gestures that BCCI considers the Pakistan game as the special one. Then not sure what is the harm in engaging with them completely like other teams are doing or just take a stand that unless cross border terrorism stops, India won't play Pakistan...world cup or no world cup.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

India's achievements in economy and cricket are commendable. However, true regional leadership involves supporting neighbors' growth and fostering mutual benefits. Moving towards cooperation and empathy, rather than competition and dominance, could lead to more positive outcomes for both nations and the region as a whole. Thank you.

Empathy and collaboration was there in 2008 , When BCCI joined other Asian nations to participate in Pakistan while Australia had ditched Pakistan tour.
Then 26/11 happened , was that cooperation. BCCI still wanted to engage with Pakistan but was bound. What did PCB do, it sued BCCI over an MOU?
When you keep burning bridges, u can hardly be talking about mutual benefit, empathy and cooperation.
THANK YOU!

 

[Kianig89]

Since PCB jas no value and principles , BCCi should step up and barred Pakistan from 2026WT20 and 2027WC, make this announcement now so it serves as a wake up call for PCB

 

[Farabi]

Everyone knows that the Indian cricket team is the primary target when they play in Pakistan, not other countries. I'm not sure why you are comparing other foreign teams with India.

Let’s be candid. The real reason is an extension of India’s self stated policy of isolating Pakistan.

Who is this “everyone”? Indian cricketers who have actually been to Pakistan sing praises of how they were treated in Pakistan.
It’s an absolutely bogus excuse as there is no more threat to Indian cricketers in Pakistan than it is to Pakistani cricketers in India.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Going to skip this one unless India decide to play in Pakistan.

 

[Farabi]

Empathy and collaboration was there in 2008 , When BCCI joined other Asian nations to participate in Pakistan while Australia had ditched Pakistan tour.
Then 26/11 happened , was that cooperation. BCCI still wanted to engage with Pakistan but was bound. What did PCB do, it sued BCCI over an MOU?
When you keep burning bridges, u can hardly be talking about mutual benefit, empathy and cooperation.
THANK YOU!

The issue isn't between BCCI and PCB, it's with the BJP. India even hosted Pakistan for a cricket series in 2012/13. This isn't about cricket boards making decisions - it's political.

But my main point isn't about PCB or BCCI at all. I'm concerned about the attitudes of regular people - fans like you and me, and many Indian commenters I often see online.

Look, I get it. You want to boast: India is the best. You have the richest cricket board. Your economy is stronger. Your cricket is superior. Pakistan's entire economy equals Ambani's net worth. Pakistan cricket can't survive without India's support. What else do you want to add?

This kind of chest-thumping comes across as immature and shows a lack of awareness about what's actually constructive and positive for our region as a whole.

 

[offstump]

No one is questioning Pakistan govt's hostile relation with India. My point is simple, we should have a consistent approach towards them. We play with them in every ICC & ACC events, intentionally ask the governing bodies to put us in the same group, our media & fans absolutely goes gaga for that match, journalists shows all bhai chaara in cross border shows and then when it comes to play them in bilaterals we think about Mumbai attacks, our dying soldiers, cross border terrorism etc.

We don't want to travel Pakistan to play in Champions trophy as they are enemy nation but expect them to be in India for all global events where our fans lined up outside airport to take pictures with their players, Hyderabadi crowd chant 'Pakistan Zindabaad', media asks how they are enjoying Hyderabadi Biryani in press conference etc etc.

All of these sounds deeply fake and unfair arrangement to me. I am highly patriotic and yet strongly feel our stance against Pakistan as far as cricket is concerned is not consistent. Either you engage with them like you do with every other team or simply refuse to play them in any events. I am sure BCCI has enough clout to force ICC to keep Ind-Pak in separate groups.

Basically with this hybrid model, we are forcing the home team to fly in a foreign soil to play their home game against India abroad and also making other teams to do lots of unnecessary travel. We need not be so petty just bcoz we are rich.

Champions Trophy awarded to Pakistan was mistake by Ganguly back then. It would have been ideal for BCCI to forefiet from this tournament and let other teams play. Also, boycott all cricket ties with Pakistan unless the cross border terrorism stops. Now that will be a justified stance. What we are doing now is using them based on our interest/convenience and then using border excuse when we don't want to play them. In the process, we are making it inconvenient for every cricket team around the world and cricket as a sport. This has to stop.

This is the first sensible post from our Indian contingent. Thank you for the practical analysis.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

The issue isn't between BCCI and PCB, it's with the BJP. India even hosted Pakistan for a cricket series in 2012/13. This isn't about cricket boards making decisions - it's political.

But my main point isn't about PCB or BCCI at all. I'm concerned about the attitudes of regular people - fans like you and me, and many Indian commenters I often see online.

Look, I get it. You want to boast: India is the best. You have the richest cricket board. Your economy is stronger. Your cricket is superior. Pakistan's entire economy equals Ambani's net worth. Pakistan cricket can't survive without India's support. What else do you want to add?

This kind of chest-thumping comes across as immature and shows a lack of awareness about what's actually constructive and positive for our region as a whole.

Bhai, I am for all mutual growth and development. But PCB has shown no inclination at all.
As cricket fans, I doubt anyone on this forum who doesn't want an India Pakistan series on a regular basis. Its pinnacle of cricket.

No one is ready to listen to any "Aman ki Asha", so talking about mutual benefit is futile. Even now, there is a sizeable chunk of Pakistani posters who ready to double down on the confrontational attitudes of the boards no matter how destructive it gets for cricket as whole.

Please read my posts, The Asian bloc was able to remove the monopoly of England and Australia in ICC only by united front in the 90s. Jagmohna Dalmiya was the mastermind of it all. The boards were growing together in 2000s.

Now coming to the chest thumping part, OK BCCI and PCB no longer have any relation. But why is Pakistan cricket so stagnant. PCB has never been able to truly form any alliances. while BCCI has been growing and building alliances. Only PCB has been an irritant. All these points have been discussed again and again too.

PCB would have had been in much better situation if it had tried to cobble up alliances with other boards, its not BCCI's fault here that PCB is left virtually alone. Pakistan is a big enough market for profitable cricket, but PCB did not try to constructively grow with anyone else. Afghans were close but when political issues cropped up PCB kicked ACB and they came in the lap of BCCI.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

This is the first sensible post from our Indian contingent. Thank you for the practical analysis.

Sensible yes, but not practical nor realistic.
Same way @Rajdeep mixed up consistency as fairness. BCCI and GoI response is pretty consistent. After all we all can predict the decision an year in advance, that's consistent predictability.
Whether its fair or not, thats a different question. and yes its unfair.