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Somerset vs Pakistanis | Tour Match | Taunton | Jul 3rd-5th, 2016 | Day 2

Mamoon said:
Meh, we should have played against a more competent team.

This is a waste of time for the team. They should have been tested a bit more, especially with the ball since you can always trust our batsmen to self-destruct regardless of the opposition.
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Their playing in taunton, the flatest track in county cricket
 
LowKiiSavage said:
Dont worry about the opposition. Its the experience on these pitches that matters.
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That's true, but a more challenging opposition will obviously give them better practice. You don't want to be playing against a bunch of nobodies ... I hope Sussex put together a good lineup, they've got a few good players in their squad.
 
Finisher said:
Their playing in Staunton, the flatest track in county cricket
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I know it's the flattest track, but pitch doesn't matter when there is such a gulf between the two sides.

If Pakistan is 7/10 as a team, Somerset is 3/10.

There is a reason why they finished 6th out of 9 teams in County last season.

It's a rubbish 4-day team in all three facets.

On a more lively wicket, Pakistan will probably beat them in one day.

I don't see how this is good practice for a series against the best Test team at the moment.
 
ethan hunt said:
Somerset destroyed the touring indians in a warm up game , i know that is no benchmark but its not easy for touring teams against local sides.
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don't know what XI Somerset fielded against India but this is a 2nd XI Somerset side, missing many of their strike bowlers and a lot of batsmen making their FC debuts.
 
ethan hunt said:
Somerset destroyed the touring indians in a warm up game , i know that is no benchmark but its not easy for touring teams against local sides.
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Upsets happen, we lost to Ireland in a World Cup doesn't make Ireland a good team.

Point is that it's a really poor team and not a challenge for our players.

We should have played against one of the better County sides to prepare for the series.
 
hussain.r97 said:
That's true, but a more challenging opposition will obviously give them better practice. You don't want to be playing against a bunch of nobodies ... I hope Sussex put together a good lineup, they've got a few good players in their squad.
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They are not nobodies per se. But yes i do see where you are coming from.
 
Mamoon said:
I know it's the flattest track, but pitch doesn't matter when there is such a gulf between the two sides.

If Pakistan is 7/10 as a team, Somerset is 3/10.

There is a reason why they finished 6th out of 9 teams in County last season.

It's a rubbish 4-day team in all three facets.

On a more lively wicket, Pakistan will probably beat them in one day.

I don't see how this is good practice for a series against the best Test team at the moment.
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Better than nothing. You don't get to pick who you'll get to be playing. It's something the Lankans complained about too.
 
Mamoon said:
Meh, we should have played against a more competent team.

This is a waste of time for the team. They should have been tested a bit more, especially with the ball since you can always trust our batsmen to self-destruct regardless of the opposition.
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Well these matches always happen in middle of county season, they always rest some of their main players, even against Auses...

Commentators are keep talking about the difference between the quality of SL and Pak attack...All Amir's wickets are top quality balls, would take out any batsman. They are also emphasizing that Amir is not only has swing but pace as well, that makes him doubly dangerous...

For batsman anytime spend in the middle is good. Three have played more than 100 balls, and 6 of them 60+ balls, that is as good as get for them!!

Also keep in mind, last year Auses did not had good side matches, that was reflected in the real matches as well.




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Rahat wicket, better length.

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Excellent catch from Younis. Rahat and Whab are both spray guns but better options than Imran in this series
 
Mamoon said:
Amir, Sohail, Rahat and Yasir.

Don't trust either of Rahat or Wahab, but there are no alternatives.
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Spot on. Imran shouldn't even be mentioned for this tour. Maybe on flatter pitches we should put Wahab in stead of Rahat
 
Yasir Shah, not really much turn on offer.

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Rahat ali is very overrated aroumd here .
Swings it straight from the hand , one of the reasons why his inswing hardly gets him wickets .
Is expensive and does not give the team any control , bowls a poor length .
Needs to improve massively .
The gulf in class between him and amir is enormous.
 
hussain.r97 said:
Rahat wicket, better length.

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Rubbish delivery by a rubbish bowler :facepalm: for those who think Rahat is a better bowler than Imran.
 
ethan hunt said:
Rahat ali is very overrated aroumd here .
Swings it straight from the hand , one of the reasons why his inswing hardly gets him wickets .
Is expensive and does not give the team any control , bowls a poor length .
Needs to improve massively .
The gulf in class between him and amir is enormous.
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Tell this to aliasad1998 :)))
 
ethan hunt said:
Rahat ali is very overrated aroumd here .
Swings it straight from the hand , one of the reasons why his inswing hardly gets him wickets .
Is expensive and does not give the team any control , bowls a poor length .
Needs to improve massively .
The gulf in class between him and amir is enormous.
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Well summarized.
 
Mamoon said:
I know it's the flattest track, but pitch doesn't matter when there is such a gulf between the two sides.

If Pakistan is 7/10 as a team, Somerset is 3/10.

There is a reason why they finished 6th out of 9 teams in County last season.

It's a rubbish 4-day team in all three facets.

On a more lively wicket, Pakistan will probably beat them in one day.

I don't see how this is good practice for a series against the best Test team at the moment.
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Somerset is also resting 3 main bowlers. So tougher times ahead for Pakistan, but good practise this also.
 
Rahat is a garbage bowler.

He has no aggression, passion in his deliveries. He bowls basically with no expression. A lazy bowler. Poor in the field as well.
 
In all fairness, rahat hasnt done bad in this match though. So, lets see how the Jr performs against the match with Sussex. Only the better bowler should play in the playing 11.
 
LowKiiSavage said:
In all fairness, rahat hasnt done bad in this match though. So, lets see how the Jr performs against the match with Sussex. Only the better bowler should play in the playing 11.
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That's fair. Wahab should be in contention too if we are not being biased.
 
IAJ said:
Somerset is also resting 3 main bowlers. So tougher times ahead for Pakistan, but good practise this also.
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Yes, playing against such players and then batting against Anderson and Broad and bowling to Cook, Root and Bairstow is a massive leap.
 
I really hope hasan ali comes through for pakistan .
He is the bowler with most potential , especially in limited overs .
 
Rahat Ali has very poor mentality. His body language and general attitude is pathetic as well.

If Wahab had Rahat's skill or if Rahat would have had Wahab's confidence and agression, they would have been top bowlers.
 
LowKiiSavage said:
In all fairness, rahat hasnt done bad in this match though. So, lets see how the Jr performs against the match with Sussex. Only the better bowler should play in the playing 11.
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38 runs in 9 overs in a freaking 4 day match and got 2 lucky wickets against a D-Grade team, Cook and root will murder him!!
 
These are practice matches - normally they arrange this match like 14 players/team, 11 bats & bowls. But, here they have given FC status to bring some seriousness & both YK & Aamir are beneficiary as their Century & wickets (may be a 5fer) would count in FC stats.

It's a decent outing and valuable practice in match condition. Normally, touring sides do lots of experiment in such matches, therefore no conclusion should be drawn. If I recall correctly, 2nd July, 1969; Ireland almost beat the full strength WI side led by Sobers with in a Day (WI losing 17 or 18 wickets below 170 in a day & still trailing or marginally ahead of Irish amateurs). To ensure Counties play their best teams & visitors take the match seriously, in 90s TCCB used to declare a sort of bonus for winning such matches - I think PAK '92 team won all their tour matches & earned the prize money - here, I expect PAK to bat out 2nd innings, or at least bat till 6th wicket in down.

It's a great practice though - it's almost certain that, barring injury, Aamir, Sohail & Yasir 'll play 1st Test; therefore, for 2nd match PAK should play almost a new bowling set - Wahab, Imran, Rahat + Babar. While, in batting Shaan should make the 1st Test, therefore Azhar/MoHa & Sami should open & one of Azhar/MoHa should bat at 3.
 
Sohail should open the bowling with Amir in the first Test. The third pacer should be decided based upon who bowls better out of Rahat, Wahab and Imran in the nets and in the next game.
 
Lady commentator is saying that Rahat has bowled really well in places
 
MMHS said:
These are practice matches - normally they arrange this match like 14 players/team, 11 bats & bowls. But, here they have given FC status to bring some seriousness & both YK & Aamir are beneficiary as their Century & wickets (may be a 5fer) would count in FC stats.

It's a decent outing and valuable practice in match condition. Normally, touring sides do lots of experiment in such matches, therefore no conclusion should be drawn. If I recall correctly, 2nd July, 1969; Ireland almost beat the full strength WI side led by Sobers with in a Day (WI losing 17 or 18 wickets below 170 in a day & still trailing or marginally ahead of Irish amateurs). To ensure Counties play their best teams & visitors take the match seriously, in 90s TCCB used to declare a sort of bonus for winning such matches - I think PAK '92 team won all their tour matches & earned the prize money - here, I expect PAK to bat out 2nd innings, or at least bat till 6th wicket in down.

It's a great practice though - it's almost certain that, barring injury, Aamir, Sohail & Yasir 'll play 1st Test; therefore, for 2nd match PAK should play almost a new bowling set - Wahab, Imran, Rahat + Babar. While, in batting Shaan should make the 1st Test, therefore Azhar/MoHa & Sami should open & one of Azhar/MoHa should bat at 3.
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Yasir has to play the second practice game as well. Since he will be playing all Tests, the more practice he gets the better. Babar shouldnt get a game
 
Mamoon said:
Rahat Ali has very poor mentality. His body language and general attitude is pathetic as well.

If Wahab had Rahat's skill or if Rahat would have had Wahab's confidence and agression, they would have been top bowlers.
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Rahat's skill? Rahat averages higher than Wahab, and they both leak runs.
 
Sohail gets another. Happy to see him do well. He must open the bowling with Amir in the first Test.
 
It's good to have YK in slips we were missing that in 2010 [emoji41][emoji41][emoji41]


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aliasad1998 said:
Yasir has to play the second practice game as well. Since he will be playing all Tests, the more practice he gets the better. Babar shouldnt get a game
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May be a bit surprise element won't hurt PAK much - the less Poms see Yasir, the better. He can play, but he can practice solo as well - just in case, he gets injured; PAK'll be limited to a darter who has never played in England.

Sohail is going to trouble English players for sure. Ideally, PAK should look to bring Yasir after 35 overs, that 40 minutes after lunch on Day 1 if they bowl first. The work load for the 3 pacers should be Aamir 14 (6+ 3+ 5 after lunch), Sohail 12 (8+4 after lunch) & 3rd seemer 9 in 2/3 short spells before lunch. In that regard, Rahat or Wahab are better choice as both are capable of short bursts. Rahat bowls lots of rubbish, because he still thinks himself to be a out & out fast bowler rather than fast medium swing bowler - couple of feet up the length, he can be more lethal than even Aamir, but he'll always go at 3.5+ rate.
 
IcedCoffee said:
Rahat's skill? Rahat averages higher than Wahab, and they both leak runs.
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LowKiiSavage said:
This. Pretty sure Rahat doesnt even know how to swing the ball at will.
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Rahat can swing the ball so he definitely has skill. The problem is that he doesn't have a bowling brain and thus, doesn't know how to set a batsman up.

His bowling is random without any pattern.

On top of that, he has a defeatist mentality as well and cannot exert himself on the batsmen.

On the contrary, Wahab has no skill at all. He can just bowl fast because of his strong upper body and use of shoulder.

However, because of his aggression, he can impose himself on the batsmen better than Rahat and can put them under pressure.

Both poor bowlers due to different reasons.
 
hahah! good point! but to be fair a number 10 has no clue against quality swing, that would have beaten a good opening / middle order batsmen let alone a number 10!

he should have done a YK sweep ;P
 
It's a 3 day match, so follow on is 150 runs - I don't think Misbah would impose that. Ideally he should promote himself at 4 & Sarfu at 5 to get batting practice. Not much in SS bowling, but being in the middle always helps.
 
Sports_Psychologist said:
Hahaha kidding right??? That's a D-GRADE team that we are playing against today , Englands batting line up will murder bowlers like Rahat Sohail Wahab !!!!
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Brother, we will win this series for sure, anyways. We have the most settled side, better than England. England will find it tough to beat us.
 
Mamoon said:
Rahat can swing the ball so he definitely has skill. The problem is that he doesn't have a bowling brain and thus, doesn't know how to set a batsman up.

His bowling is random without any pattern.

On top of that, he has a defeatist mentality as well and cannot exert himself on the batsmen.

On the contrary, Wahab has no skill at all. He can just bowl fast because of his strong upper body and use of shoulder.

However, because of his aggression, he can impose himself on the batsmen better than Rahat and can put them under pressure.

Both poor bowlers due to different reasons.
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Wahab can reverse. I'll take that + his aggression over Rahat any day. At least in test matches.
 
Mamoon said:
Rahat can swing the ball so he definitely has skill. The problem is that he doesn't have a bowling brain and thus, doesn't know how to set a batsman up.

His bowling is random without any pattern.

On top of that, he has a defeatist mentality as well and cannot exert himself on the batsmen.

On the contrary, Wahab has no skill at all. He can just bowl fast because of his strong upper body and use of shoulder.

However, because of his aggression, he can impose himself on the batsmen better than Rahat and can put them under pressure.

Both poor bowlers due to different reasons.
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By skill it means he can swing the ball at will which you yourself said is evident that he does not have because his bowling is random and without any pattern.

Rest, i agree with whatever you said.
 
Sports_Psychologist said:
How the hell was he playing that?? Even I know how to play that delivery :facepalm: couldn't agree more with @mamoo we should've gotten a better team to practise with!!
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What are you doing over here then? Shouldn't you be practising for your next big game?

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