The Russian invasion of Ukraine

[bones]

Wagner took 9 months to capture Bakhmut and 3 hours to capture Rostov.

No wonder Putin is panicking.

This kind of nonsense is the reason why discussions around war with amateurs is nonsense.

One was a heavily fortified town. Layer upon layer of defensive lines. The other is not a capture as shown in the videos I've posted above.

Come back when you understand a bit more about modern battles.

 

[pakistani pride]

This seems to get out of control now for Russia/Putin.

Heavy firing now reported within Russia and only 500Km from Moscow.

Bizarre events.

 

[pakistani pride]

[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] you cant deny this is looking very ugly for Russia/Putin. Its serious when Putin gives a speech about it.

Also heavy firing is reported in Russian towns. Wonder how this will end.

 

[MenInG]

The UK government’s emergency committee, Cobra, is meeting to discuss the situation in Russia. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak is expected to speak to other international allies later today.

We've also heard Mr Sunak's first response to the situation unfolding in Russia.

Speaking to the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg, he said the UK was calling on "all parties to exercise responsibility and protect civilian lives", and that there was long-standing advice against travelling to Russia.

He also said it was an evolving situation and the UK had been in touch with its allies.

 

[MenInG]

In his reply to President Vladimir Putin's TV address earlier today, Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin was defiant, vowing to end "corruption, lies and bureaucracy" in Russia.

It's believed to be the first time that Prigozhin has directly challenged the Kremlin ruler.

He was previously loyal to the president and even nicknamed "Putin's chef" for his catering contracts from the Kremlin.

Prigozhin's earlier scathing criticism of the Ukraine war centred mainly on Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of Staff Valeriy Gerasimov, as well as Russia's FSB security service and the country's oligarchs.

In Russia rulers - or tsars - have for centuries been seen as untouchable, and taboo subjects for any criticism. A popular Russian saying is: "The tsar is good, the boyars [nobility around him] are bad."

Well, a claimed deadly Russian strike on a Wagner military base in Ukraine may have been the last straw for Prigozhin.

But he might have also been thinking that his battle-hardened fighters - reportedly as many as 25,000 of them - are now able to have an upper hand in a power struggle with the Kremlin, amid growing public discontent over Russia's full-scale invasion in Ukraine.

On top of that, there have been suggestions that Prigozhin may have some high-ranking backers in the Kremlin and the military.

 

[mazkhan]

Wagner are racist right wing nationalist nazi thugs

The Russian Muslims will have to be prepared because these people will go after the ethnic minorities especially in caucasus . I really hope turkey this time arms the Muslims in caucacsus the same way it helped azerbaijan against armenia .

 

[bones]

[MENTION=135003]bones[/MENTION] you cant deny this is looking very ugly for Russia/Putin. Its serious when Putin gives a speech about it.

Also heavy firing is reported in Russian towns. Wonder how this will end.

Of course it looks ugly. I said that in one of my earlier posts.

But I also said lots of things have happened and will happen due this war and the best thing is to wait to see how it pans out. I don’t take anything that prighozin says seriously, he is all drama. He was moaning as his units were decimating the enemy in Bakhmut and earlier in Severodonestk.

 

[Technics 1210]

The fact NATO apologists are having to back their claims via Russian Telegram channels just sums up everything about the warmongering West and its disciples - we do not trust the Russians but we trust their social media channels!

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[cpleigh]

So let's get some rumours / facts in place:

Putin asked Kazakhstan for help... Told no.
Medvedev has fled Moscow
Lukashenko has left Belarus
And Putin has left Moscow.

No images of Russians digging trenches outside Moscow.

'kyiv will fall in 72 hours'... Lol

 

[90MPH]

Says the guy who claimed Russia would lose within 1 month, and has exhausted its artillery, including missiles.

One word springs to mind - BRAINWASHED.

Keep lying dummy. Never said any of that stuff but did say plenty of times this unprovoked illegal war launched by Russia was a disaster since a minimum 25 000 Russian soldiers have been sent to their graves.

You are not coping well. I’m sure you will blame Zelensky or NATO for this Russian civil war as well.

 

[Technics 1210]

Keep lying dummy. Never said any of that stuff but did say plenty of times this unprovoked illegal war launched by Russia was a disaster since a minimum 25 000 Russian soldiers have been sent to their graves.

You are not coping well. I’m sure you will blame Zelensky or NATO for this Russian civil war as well.

The only one that have lied are your masters, the MSM.

Go ask them for a refund,

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[bones]

'kyiv will fall in 72 hours'... Lol

Come on big guy - provide a source from any Kremlin senior official who claimed this. Provide a single quote from a reliable source if you can.

You talk big, but you never provide anything to back it up.

Similar to the nonsense about Russia running out of X/Y/Z and Ukraine's wonder weapons.

Provide a source to back up this statement.

 

[cpleigh]

Come on big guy - provide a source from any Kremlin senior official who claimed this. Provide a single quote from a reliable source if you can.

You talk big, but you never provide anything to back it up.

Similar to the nonsense about Russia running out of X/Y/Z and Ukraine's wonder weapons.

Provide a source to back up this statement.

What will u do when Putin falls? What will u do when it becomes obvious he isn't that liked in Russia? What will u do when it becomes obvious the MSM hasn't lied?

Cannot wait

 

[bones]

Many people are claiming these wonder weapons provided to Ukraine are game changers. Such wonderful game changing weapons stood the test in Afghanistan vs farmers and untrained men so much so that the Taliban they destroyed is in total command of the country.

This is of course the mighty NATO and their messenger the MSM, who will only ever highlight the flaws of the enemy and never their own failures.

 

[bones]

What will u do when Putin falls? What will u do when it becomes obvious he isn't that liked in Russia? What will u do when it becomes obvious the MSM hasn't lied?

Cannot wait

So...no quote. As usual - changing the topic. You brought up the 72 hour claim like a childish person, so why not back it up?

MSM is lying and they are constantly lying about various things. Remember when the vaccine for Covid was the best creation ever? Why did MSM never report on the side effects, people with seizures? Remember when MSM this week focused on a submersive vehicle in the Titanic rather than the interest hike affecting millions around the UK?

MSM is manipulative and as bad as it is, the fact people like you feed off it like gospel is worse. Remember when they told us prior to Feb 2022 that the Azov battalion was a neo-Nazi organistation but since the invasion no mention of that and have hidden many articles written in the past?

Anyways back on topic, why don't you stop being a liar and coward and either provide a source to back up your 72 hour claim or admit you spew lies.

 

[bones]

Here is a prime example of the double standard of MSM and some posters here.

"The Russians took several months to take Bakhmut, a small town!"
"The Ukranians are going slow with their counter offensive, they are only probing."

So it's incompetence when the Russian do something slowly, but it's competance when the Ukranians do the same thing?

 

[mazkhan]

Many people are claiming these wonder weapons provided to Ukraine are game changers. Such wonderful game changing weapons stood the test in Afghanistan vs farmers and untrained men so much so that the Taliban they destroyed is in total command of the country.

This is of course the mighty NATO and their messenger the MSM, who will only ever highlight the flaws of the enemy and never their own failures.

Himars , storm shadow and drones have decimated the russians

The tanks were doomed without any aircover and natos reluctance to supply air support aircraft/ helicopters .

But that's all irrelevant because the incompetency of Russians and them now turning and killing themselves and blaming each other over the massive f*** up that is this invasion, natos job is done you will see the whole russian state disintegrate just like how the soviet state collapsed.

 

[cpleigh]

Bones is breaking here.... It's collapsing for him

'president xi is following what happening. Note that Vladivostok is historical Chinese land'

 

[SalimBhai]

Russia is in a bit of trouble. Internal issues

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What will u do when Putin falls? What will u do when it becomes obvious he isn't that liked in Russia? What will u do when it becomes obvious the MSM hasn't lied?

Cannot wait

These kremlin bots will claim that its all part of Putins strategy.

If he dies they will say he is in the Caribbean hiding with Tupac.

 

[cpleigh]

These kremlin bots will claim that its all part of Putins strategy.

If he dies they will say he is in the Caribbean hiding with Tupac.

He's tried to change tact... Going on about COVID conspiracies now.

 

[bones]

He's tried to change tact... Going on about COVID conspiracies now.

I see you still cannot provide any sources. You're incapable of discussing the logistics. You're incapable of dicussing the military plans at a tactical or even operational level. You're incapable of sticking to the topic at hand. A fair way to decribe you would be troll.

I'm waiting for some sources...

 

[SalimBhai]

Putin has left Moscow.

 

[cpleigh]

I see you still cannot provide any sources. You're incapable of discussing the logistics. You're incapable of dicussing the military plans at a tactical or even operational level. You're incapable of sticking to the topic at hand. A fair way to decribe you would be troll.

I'm waiting for some sources...

Me a troll???? You've literally described yourself perfectly. You cannot accept any critiscm of Russia. You think everything it does is wonderful... U call zelensky a puppet and tell everyone Putin's is a strong man etc..

Putin has fled. Like a coward. Zelensky didn't.

 

[Bewal Express]

Putin has bitten off more than he can chew and now we are real danger of Nuclear conflict as Putin will have nothing to lose if he thinks he will lose power. From what has been written about the coup leader, he seems even more extreme, so here is a thought,will the West do a deal with Putin over Ukraine to save him because the alternative of instability and chaos will lead to even more wars. Probably not, but I bet they are thinking about it.

 

[SalimBhai]

People in Moscow are giving food and sweets to the incoming soldiers . Putin in a bit of a bother. Next 48 hours will be interesting. Putin is down, but not out yet. All the arm chair military experts on this forum can give it a rest for now.

 

[bones]

Me a troll???? You've literally described yourself perfectly. You cannot accept any critiscm of Russia. You think everything it does is wonderful... U call zelensky a puppet and tell everyone Putin's is a strong man etc..

Putin has fled. Like a coward. Zelensky didn't.

This is your brave Zelensky. Such a brave role model and hero.

https://twitter.com/Sprinter99880/status/1671029211614543872

If you think Bennet is lying - please explain why.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This kind of nonsense is the reason why discussions around war with amateurs is nonsense.

One was a heavily fortified town. Layer upon layer of defensive lines. The other is not a capture as shown in the videos I've posted above.

Come back when you understand a bit more about modern battles.

Sir, in your opinion as a professional war analyst on a cricket forum can you give us your perspective on the situation with Wagner?

 

[bones]

Sir, in your opinion as a professional war analyst on a cricket forum can you give us your perspective on the situation with Wagner?

Read up - too much dramatization from both side. Give it a couple of days to understand what's actually happened.

In my opinion, Wagner are fed up with the soft approach from Shoigu/Gerasimov and want the Russians to go in now. There are 3 large Russian armies trainined, equipped and ready but it seems like Wagner want the job done now.

But let's see how it pans out.

 

[SalimBhai]

People in Moscow are giving food and sweets to the incoming soldiers . Putin in a bit of a bother. Next 48 hours will be interesting. Putin is down, but not out yet. All the arm chair military experts on this forum can give it a rest for now.

Sorry people in Russia. Not Moscow. My error

 

[bones]

He's the funny part about this. Pro-Ukranian sheep are getting so excited about the thought of Wagner doing all this - they have forgiven them for destroying tens of thousands of their men in the conflict so far.

 

[cpleigh]

He's the funny part about this. Pro-Ukranian sheep are getting so excited about the thought of Wagner doing all this - they have forgiven them for destroying tens of thousands of their men in the conflict so far.

That's not true. Pro Ukrainians just find it funny

 

[SalimBhai]

Deputy PM has left Russia

 

[MenInG]

Wagner appears to be moving north, in the direction of Moscow

Verified information from the ground is relatively sparse, but nonetheless, Wagner troops appear to be moving north, in the direction of Moscow.

This morning, Wagner mercenaries were seen in the southern city of Rostov-on-Don; later, reports came that Wagner troops were in Voronezh, 560km (354 miles) north.

Now, the governor of the Lipetsk region, north of Voronezh, said Wagner troops are moving through the region.

Moscow lies only 400km (248 miles) north - take a look at the map below to orient yourself.

It's not clear how many troops Wagner has in each place, or how large the group seen in Lipetsk was.

BBC

 

[cpleigh]

Belarus freedok fighters to make a statement to Belarus at 5pm..

 

[Manager101]

Read up - too much dramatization from both side. Give it a couple of days to understand what's actually happened.

In my opinion, Wagner are fed up with the soft approach from Shoigu/Gerasimov and want the Russians to go in now. There are 3 large Russian armies trainined, equipped and ready but it seems like Wagner want the job done now.

But let's see how it pans out.

Exactly, moreover Wagners are mercenaries having 50K active soldiers, don't think such a minimum force can be used for Coup against a military as big as Russian in their home soil.

It looks more like pressure tactics.

So better to wait patiently.

 

[bones]

One thing I’m certain about, Prighozhin will be dealt with. I have said for months that he is too much drama for the role that he holds. Even if he has some valid points his manner of speaking is completely inappropriate and different to the more measured senior officials in the Kremlin.

 

[the Great Khan]

There's civil war

Wagner have captured rostov

Its an internal implosion

The Russian General surovkin is clearly drunk in the video .


Kkwc , great khan bones

It's only a matter of time the country implodes in various warring factions and ethnic groups
Wait till the caucausus gangs get in the act when the whole state apparatus begins to unravel if the wagner mutiny is not put down .

Afghan war and chernobyl led to the soviet collapse

This ukraine disaster will lead to collapse of modern russia

Well like I've said before i have n9 skin in this game. I look at it from a military nerd perspective. With regards to the Ukraine war the Russians aren't really losing it no matter what the west says.

However with regards to the PMC vs Russian military well they could well lose everything else..the key is to see what happens when PMC get to Moscow. Shots have been fired but no casualties just yet. The crazy thing is the current Russian regime is not as hardline as PMC and Co.. these guys are nutters and want to completely flatten Ukraine even if it may lead to a major confrontation with the west..some very serious days are coming..

On the military side this gives Ukraine time to breathe and regroup..

 

[JaDed]

The war kept going with no end and suddenly this happened out of nowhere!

 

[JaDed]

Well like I've said before i have n9 skin in this game. I look at it from a military nerd perspective. With regards to the Ukraine war the Russians aren't really losing it no matter what the west says.

However with regards to the PMC vs Russian military well they could well lose everything else..the key is to see what happens when PMC get to Moscow. Shots have been fired but no casualties just yet. The crazy thing is the current Russian regime is not as hardline as PMC and Co.. these guys are nutters and want to completely flatten Ukraine even if it may lead to a major confrontation with the west..some very serious days are coming..

On the military side this gives Ukraine time to breathe and regroup..

This is actually a very sane inference, the ones incoming will not be any different from the ones before but does seems like people are preferring the incoming soldiers.

 

[pakistani pride]

Deputy PM has left Russia

Source?

 

[the Great Khan]

Read up - too much dramatization from both side. Give it a couple of days to understand what's actually happened.

In my opinion, Wagner are fed up with the soft approach from Shoigu/Gerasimov and want the Russians to go in now. There are 3 large Russian armies trainined, equipped and ready but it seems like Wagner want the job done now.

But let's see how it pans out.

Chechens are now in Rostov...this is a very serious problem for putin. Wouldn't it be ironic to see the chechens defending Moscow lol..

 

[the Great Khan]

The war kept going with no end and suddenly this happened out of nowhere!

Yup..but progozin is a loose cannon. However he has the support of nutter hardliners. The west is now calculating that Putin is probably better than these nutcas3s

 

[JaDed]

Source?

Not yet confirmed
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/flight-radar-24-putin-moscow-b2363558.html

 

[JaDed]

Chechens are now in Rostov...this is a very serious problem for putin. Wouldn't it be ironic to see the chechens defending Moscow lol..

Chechens and Wagner were having issues for a month..when Wagner refused to sign them.

 

[Reddy]

I do not see the point of West rejoicing over this, Prigozhin is a mad man who wants to seize power in Russia and then flatten Ukraine using nuclear bombs. Prigozhin's does not want to retreat from Ukraine, he wants to completely destroy it.

 

[bones]

Chechens are now in Rostov...this is a very serious problem for putin. Wouldn't it be ironic to see the chechens defending Moscow lol..

It looks bad, timing is terrible as well but the Russians will clean it up very soon. The Russians should have dealt with the prighozin problem a while ago, clear nutcase. This nutcase is being hailed a freedom fighter on some media.

 

[bones]

I was not aware of this but apparently Prighozin had contract disputes with Russian leadership a month ago. Maybe they were trying to deal with the Prighozin problem after all.

 

[Sidilicious]

Aren’t Wagner mercenaries?

They fight for the highest bidder. What if the highest bidder is now the USA?

 

[shortbread]

Didn't take Indians long to switch sides, did it?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Aren’t Wagner mercenaries?

They fight for the highest bidder. What if the highest bidder is now the USA?

Its interesting the Wagner group have become heros overnight for the west. They dont understand if Prigozhin gets his way, Kyiv will be obliterated.

Prigozhin is not just some mercenary, he is a rich oligarch of Jewish parent. Its always possible for such people to sell out.

However its most likely Prigozhin is angry after his meeting with Putin last week. Putin wants them all to sign on to the Russian MOD but Prigozhin doesnt want to lose money.

This is an internal disagreement which will end in Prigozhin surrendering or being killed.

There will be no coup, takeover of Moscow or civil war lol.

Ukraine has also seen disagreements with top military leaders, mayors and the puppet government.

This is normal in a war.

 

[shortbread]

Ramzan Kadirov is someone with the prowess to quell this, but that makes him more powerful. Albeit Russia loses in the end with all this infighting. Putin blindly believed his Army top brass as being capable and prepared for this war, they were neither. Simply corrupt 'yes' men that brought a nation to it's knees.

If this isn't a sobering lesson for Rawalpindi HQ then don't know what is.

 

[bones]

I’ve read some more interesting takes on Prighozin and the events today. I would not be surprised if he is dead by the end of this weekend. Apparently he has been corroborating with Ukrainian and British intelligence agencies. Not sure to what extent but we will find out more soon.

Normally Putin doesn’t use such strong language but the friendship he had with Prighozin is over and I don’t think he will spare him.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ramzan Kadirov is someone with the prowess to quell this, but that makes him more powerful. Albeit Russia loses in the end with all this infighting. Putin blindly believed his Army top brass as being capable and prepared for this war, they were neither. Simply corrupt 'yes' men that brought a nation to it's knees.

If this isn't a sobering lesson for Rawalpindi HQ then don't know what is.

Dont get carried away watching BBC and SKy News.

Russia has humiliated Nato in its proxy war. Ukraine will take decades to become a functioning nation.

Its only 2 brigades, who are not following Russia orders. . You're making it sound like Russia is about to lose lol.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I’ve read some more interesting takes on Prighozin and the events today. I would not be surprised if he is dead by the end of this weekend. Apparently he has been corroborating with Ukrainian and British intelligence agencies. Not sure to what extent but we will find out more soon.

Normally Putin doesn’t use such strong language but the friendship he had with Prighozin is over and I don’t think he will spare him.

Prob with Zelensky too. Both are Jewish and friends of Israel, which would love to see a larger war with Europe.

 

[James]

I’m not pro-Putin but to be honest if he gets replaced by some militarised nutcase then the general situation might just get worse.

 

[the Great Khan]

It looks bad, timing is terrible as well but the Russians will clean it up very soon. The Russians should have dealt with the prighozin problem a while ago, clear nutcase. This nutcase is being hailed a freedom fighter on some media.

Latest news is negotiations have begun with PMC..

 

[shortbread]

Dont get carried away watching BBC and SKy News.

Russia has humiliated Nato in its proxy war. Ukraine will take decades to become a functioning nation.

Its only 2 brigades, who are not following Russia orders. . You're making it sound like Russia is about to lose lol.

Russia has humiliated NATO, how? NATO hasn't lost any soldiers and they don't care about dead Ukrainians or for that matter of fact Ukraine burning to the ground. This entire war is a win win. They get to FF with Russia while another country bears the body count. Even more importantly the European millitary complex is alive again by manufacturing at war footing. My bae systems has gone up by 60% plus. And the bill is being foot by the ignorant public, let's send more arms to Ukraine without realising the UKs debt has overtaken GDP.

Putin has come in state TV and talked about mutiny within, it will not go down well among his ranks. He'll crush it no doubt but it's humiliating especially when there's a war ongoing. He's spread thin as it is and the last thing he needs is to divert forces to protect Moscow or the oilfields.

This war has done nothing to help Russia's stature. The only thing keeping him afloat is that the Saudis haven't flooded the market with oil.

 

[the Great Khan]

I’m not pro-Putin but to be honest if he gets replaced by some militarised nutcase then the general situation might just get worse.

He's surrounded by them. They are anti western and even more hard-core.. better the devil you know..

 

[MenInG]

Wagner forces have halted advance on Moscow - reports

Wagner mercenary leader Yevgeny Prigozhin has agreed to "stop" the movement of his troops who are advancing on the Russian capital, according to a statement carried by the Reuters news agency and attributed to the Belarussian president's office.

 

[MenInG]

Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has held talks with Wagner mercenary group head Yevgeny Prigozhin during which Prigozhin agreed to stop his troops and "de-escalate the situation", Rossiya 24 news channel said.

"Prigozhin accepted Lukashenko's proposal to stop the movement of Wagner in Russian territory and on further steps to de-escalate tension," Rossiya 24 said, quoting Lukashenko's press service.

It also said it was proving "possible to find an acceptable variant of de-escalating [the situation] with security guarantees for Wagner PMC's fighters".

Rossiya 24 said the conversation had been agreed with Putin.

 

[MenInG]

The Wagner guys remind me of that movie Suicide Squad.

 

[JaDed]

I think the troops are just corrupt, they want a higher cut.

 

[JaDed]

Didn't take Indians long to switch sides, did it?

What makes you say that?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Russia has humiliated NATO, how? NATO hasn't lost any soldiers and they don't care about dead Ukrainians or for that matter of fact Ukraine burning to the ground. This entire war is a win win. They get to FF with Russia while another country bears the body count. Even more importantly the European millitary complex is alive again by manufacturing at war footing. My bae systems has gone up by 60% plus. And the bill is being foot by the ignorant public, let's send more arms to Ukraine without realising the UKs debt has overtaken GDP.

Putin has come in state TV and talked about mutiny within, it will not go down well among his ranks. He'll crush it no doubt but it's humiliating especially when there's a war ongoing. He's spread thin as it is and the last thing he needs is to divert forces to protect Moscow or the oilfields.

This war has done nothing to help Russia's stature. The only thing keeping him afloat is that the Saudis haven't flooded the market with oil.

Of course they dont care for Ukrainians but they do care for victory. NATO has been planning this since 2014, since Putin too back Crimea. Their aim was to weaken Russia, get rid of Putin and take the south & east of Ukraine. NATO has failed in all areas. As for finances, sure the military industries are making a lot of money but Europe is near broke now. Eventually the huge debt of western nations will end their imperial dominance. Putin and BRICS are speeding this up.

This war has made Russia a superpower again, they have so much money they dont know what to spend it on. Russia is huge, natural resources are the key for the future, no nation on the planet has as much reserves as Russia.

Please keep of the BBC , its the alcohol of the media.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I think the troops are just corrupt, they want a higher cut.

Its as simple as this. They are not troops but paid mercenaries, ex prisoners. No different to Al-Q and ISIS. Once the money stops, they stop, which is why all of ISIS are living in one town near the Turkish border. When more funds arrive with more orders, they will be out of their hole again.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Prigozhin in audio message: To avoid bloodshed we are returning our convoys to bases

Well this didnt last very long. NATO cheerleaders can get back to watching Eastenders.

 

[MenInG]

Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov said on Saturday his forces were ready to help put down a mutiny by Wagner mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin and to use harsh methods if necessary.

Kadyrov in a statement posted on Telegram called Prigozhin’s behaviour “a knife in the back” and called on Russian soldiers not to give in to any “provocations.”

He said that Chechen units were moving towards the “zones of tension” and would act to “preserve Russia’s units and defend its statehood”.

 

[Reddy]

Translation of Prigozhin's audio:

"They were going to dismantle PMC Wagner. We came out on 23 June to the March of Justice. In a day, we walked to nearly 200km away from Moscow. In this time, we did not spill a single drop of blood of our fighters. Now, the moment has come when blood may spill. That’s why, understanding the responsibility for spilling Russian blood on one of the sides, we are turning back our convoys and going back to field camps according to the plan."

 

[bones]

Well this didnt last very long. NATO cheerleaders can get back to watching Eastenders.

Go easy on cpleigh it hasn’t even 24 hours before the change of regime headline has collapsed.

The poor guy has already had to endure articles from Msm about the “slow probing counter offensive” this week.

 

[James]

Well that seems to have been quietly brought to a conclusion almost as quickly as it all sparked off.

Russia because of its culture, its history of power struggles, and its sheer overwhelming size is an extremely difficult country to govern, so it probably needs a charismatic individual who is made of Teflon like President Putin to just about hold everything together.

Putin’s removal may be desired by many, but I worry about who may be waiting in the wings to take his place. I’m sure a fair few Russian strongmen would like to take him out and would fancy themselves in the job, but they may well be far more insane and tyrannical than anyone else we’ve seen.

 

[cpleigh]

Go easy on cpleigh it hasn’t even 24 hours before the change of regime headline has collapsed.

The poor guy has already had to endure articles from Msm about the “slow probing counter offensive” this week.

It's hilarious... Putin's had to beg his lap dog to help him. Its shown Russia for what it is.

Corrupt cowards

 

[the Great Khan]

In Pakistan we call this a topi drama..this whole episode seems to have been concocted..now this is just.my theory before some of the known it alls on this forum start cursing me..

The latest rumours are that prigozin will relocate ( whatever the hell that means) to Belarus and Wagner are now officially part of the Russian ministry of defence..now take this with a pinch of salt because no matter what prigozin says they were unofficially part of the ministry anyways..

No idea what this means or who got what yet...what a soap.opera..

 

[the Great Khan]

It's hilarious... Putin's had to beg his lap dog to help him. Its shown Russia for what it is.

Corrupt cowards

Lol...I would say corrupt but not cowards..that's going a bit far..with regards Putin it really sounds like somebody played a chess game here..i guess we will find out in.the weeks to come..

 

[KingKhanWC]

Go easy on cpleigh it hasn’t even 24 hours before the change of regime headline has collapsed.

The poor guy has already had to endure articles from Msm about the “slow probing counter offensive” this week.

Putin has made MSM and supporters of Ukraine into living fools. A few hours ago they we jumping for joy thinking Putin will be killed, Russia will go into civil war and Ukraine will walk into Mariupol.

With this event Putin has new information on possible traitors.

He can also now activate any martial law very quickly if need be.

Once again Vlad Putin has make a mockery of the west.

 

[bones]

Putin has made MSM and supporters of Ukraine into living fools. A few hours ago they we jumping for joy thinking Putin will be killed, Russia will go into civil war and Ukraine will walk into Mariupol.

You should scroll up and see some of the posts in this thread. The excitement was off the charts. I knew we had to wait and see what unfolds. Russia have control of the battlefield, there's no need for civil unrest/war/mutiny or whatever. But sheep will be sheep. MSM has a strong grip over them.

For example this week 5 people died in a vehicle underwater and rather than ask, why the heck is this main news, everyone just went along with it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You should scroll up and see some of the posts in this thread. The excitement was off the charts. I knew we had to wait and see what unfolds. Russia have control of the battlefield, there's no need for civil unrest/war/mutiny or whatever. But sheep will be sheep. MSM has a strong grip over them.

For example this week 5 people died in a vehicle underwater and rather than ask, why the heck is this main news, everyone just went along with it.

Western media , governments and military are elite in misinformation, propaganda and mind control. A non brainwashed 10 year old would know a proxy war with Russia is near impossible to win in Ukraine. The 10 year old would also know this could be catastrophic for the world. But these cheerleaders who are brainwashed with patriotism and have a lack of understanding of geo-poltiics will cheer when told to and cry when told to.

They thought Wagner with around 5k mercenaries would be able to occupy Moscow .

Now the reality is Wagner along with thousands of Russian troops are not far from Kyiv.

 

[JaDed]

The stuffed monkey meme where Pentagon shows accounting error of 6.2 billion and Wagner coup happens seems absolutely real eventhough coincidental.

 

[bones]

Cpleigh hasn’t responded to my posts about the logistics…

 

[Adijazz1706]

Amidst all this off field drama, on field progress is still nonexistent as far as the counter offensive goes, nothing much to report