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West Indies v Australia | 1st test | Kingston, Jamaica | starting from May 22nd 2008

Stu clark seems like a bowler who has worked for decades to get his run up and action right.
A very measured approach.
 
Overrate bad again today. WI probably didn't use Juggy enough today and probably don't hurry up between deliveries. Australia bowled 6 overs before tea. Now with 90 minutes left there are 35 overs to be bowled. So day extends by 30 minutes again and maybe 7-9 overs less bowled in the day
 
clark is so much more dangerous on this pitch than lee or johnson.

u have to bowl straight here.
 
Lee hits Parchment on helmet and it goes to boundry
50 up for Wii :36:

15.1 Lee to Parchment, 4 leg byes, Lee fires in a bouncer, Parchment is late in yanking his head away and gets knocked on the helmet and the ball ricochets to the fine leg boundary. Parchement went down to the ground as he tried to duck
 
He bowled a 92 earlier too and before that I heard the commentator saying (1st over) that Lee is already bolwing over 90.

4.3 Lee to Parchment, no run, and again. that was a 92 mph delivery.

cricinfo doesn't report the speeds often so the one PP reported is not in text commentary. The radio ones didn't mention it but maybe because he has already been there today
 
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Sarwan ct behind off Clark
West Indies 62/2 (18.2 ov)
32 overs left today

18.2 Clark to Sarwan, OUT, Haddin takes a sharp catch. Clark is the man who does the damage again. It kicked up from a length and moved away from Sarwan who chased it but was surprised by the extra bounce and edges his intended cut. It flew high and to the right of Haddin who jumped and pouched it safely
RR Sarwan c Haddin b Clark 7 (9b 1x4 0x6) SR: 77.77

Morton in
 
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clark strikes again ... sarwan too aggressive there !
 
On paper, Parchment looks a strong prospect......................
 
Commentator saying that if it is not a full house then WI board will not allow that match to be shown on TV in that territory.
NFL (USA football) tried that too few years ago and gave up on black outs
 
12thMan said:
Commentator saying that if it is not a full house then WI board will not allow that match to be shown on TV in that territory.
NFL (USA football) tried that too few years ago and gave up on black outs
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5 x T20s instaed of the test would have been the solution.....
 
Clark strikes again. Parchment out ct behind
West Indies 68/3 (20.3 ov)

20.3 Clark to Parchment, OUT, He takes out another man. Full in length, lovely curving delivery outside off stump and Parchment is sucked into a forward prod and gets a nick.
BA Parchment c Haddin b Clark 9 (60b 1x4 0x6) SR: 15.00
 
and the procession begins ....

clark slicing through the windies like a hot knife through butter.
 
What is the hit batsman took the commentators are talking about that might have caused this edge? I check cricinfo current page and I don't see it. Only one I know of was 15 overs ago probably
 
Parchment

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Central European (Northern) type of finished parchment made of goatskin stretched on a wooden frame
German parchmenter, 1568Parchment is a thin material made from calfskin, sheepskin or goatskin. Its most common use is as the pages of a book, codex or manuscript. It is distinct from leather in that parchment is not tanned, but stretched, scraped, and dried under tension, creating a stiff white, yellowish or translucent animal skin. The finer qualities of parchment are called vellum. It is very reactive with changes in relative humidity and is not waterproof.

Plant-based parchment is used in baking and other applications as a substitute for animal parchment.

Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Manufacture
3 Parchment treatments
3.1 Reuse
3.2 Alternatives to Parchment
3.3 Additional uses of the term
4 Plant-based parchment
5 See also
6 Notes
7 References
8 Further reading
9 External links



[edit] History

A Sefer Torah, the traditional form of the Hebrew Bible, is a scroll of parchment.According to the Roman Varro, Pliny's Natural History records (xiii.21), parchment was invented under the patronage of Eumenes of Pergamum,[1] as a substitute for papyrus, which was temporarily not being exported from Alexandria, its only source.

Herodotus mentions writing on skins as common in his time, the 5th century BC; and in his Histories (v.58) he states that the Ionians of Asia Minor had been accustomed to give the name of skins — diphtherai — to books; this word was adapted by Hellenized Jews to describe scrolls [1]. Parchment (pergamenum in Latin), however, is named after the city where it was perfected. In the 2nd century B.C. a great library was set up in Pergamon that rivaled the famous Library of Alexandria. As prices rose for papyrus and the reed used for making it was overharvested towards local extinction in the two nomes of the Nile delta that produced it, Pergamon adapted by increasing use of parchment.

Writing on prepared animal skins had a long history, however. Some Egyptian Fourth Dynasty texts were written on parchment. Though the Assyrians and the Babylonians impressed their cuneiform on clay tablets, they also wrote on parchment from the 6th century BC onward. Rabbinic culture equated a "book" with a parchment scroll. Early Islamic texts are also found on parchment.

One sort of parchment is vellum, a word that is used loosely to mean parchment, and especially to mean fine parchment, but more strictly refers to parchment made from calf skin (although goat skin can be as fine in quality). The words "vellum" and "veal" come from Latin vitulus, "calf", or its diminutive vitellus. In the Middle Ages calfskin and split sheepskin were the most common materials for making parchment in England and France, while goatskin was more common in Italy. Other skins such as those from large animals such as horse and smaller animals such as squirrel and rabbit were also used. Whether uterine vellum (vellum made from aborted calf fetuses) was ever really used during the medieval period is still a matter of great controversy.


An English deed written on fine parchment or vellum with seal tag dated 1638.There was a short period during the introduction of printing where parchment and paper were used interchangeably: although most copies of the Gutenberg Bible are on paper, some were printed on parchment. In 1490, Johannes Trithemius preferred the older methods, because "handwriting placed on parchment will be able to endure a thousand years. But how long will printing last, which is dependent on paper? For if ...it lasts for two hundred years that is a long time." [2]

The heyday of parchment use was during the medieval period, but there has been a growing revival of its use among contemporary artists since the late 20th century. Although parchment never stopped being used (primarily for governmental documents and diplomas) it had ceased to be a primary choice for artist’s supports by the end of 15th century Renaissance. This was partly due to its expense and partly due to its unusual working properties. Parchment consists mostly of collagen. When the water in paint media touches parchment’s surface, the collagen melts slightly, forming a raised bed for the paint, a quality highly prized by some artists. Parchment is also extremely affected by its environment and changes in humidity, which can cause buckling. Some contemporary artists also prize this quality, noting that the parchment seems alive and like an active participant in making artwork. To support the needs of the revival of use by artists, a revival in the art of making individual skins is also underway. Handmade skins are usually better prepared for artists and have fewer oily spots which can cause long-term cracking of paint than mass-produced parchment. Mass-produced parchment is usually made for lamp shades, furniture, or other interior design purposes.[3]

The radiocarbon dating techniques that are used on papyrus can be applied to parchment as well. They do not date the age of the writing but the preparation of the parchment itself. However, radiocarbon dating can often be used on the inks that make up the writing, since many of them contain organic compounds such as plant leachings, soot, and wine.


[edit] Manufacture
The first step in creating parchment was to wet or soak the recently flayed skin in water to remove the blood and dung and to allow easier penetration of the dehairing liquor.[4]

In early days the liquor bath was fermented vegetable matter but by the Middle Ages a lime bath was used to soften the epidermal layer thus allowing the hair to be removed more easily. It is possible that urine was sometimes used as a lime alternative.

The liquor bath would have been in wooden or stone vats and the hides stirred with a long wooden pole to avoid getting the lime on human skin. The skins would stay in the bath for 8 or more days (longer in winter) being stirred two or three times a day.

After being rinsed the skins would be given a second lime bath but care would be taken to not leave the skins in too long or they would be weakened and not able to stand the stretching required for parchment.[4]

The stretching allowed the fibres to become aligned running parallel to the grain. Cords were attached and the skin was stretched on a wooden frame with both sides open so they could be scraped with a sharp, curved knife to remove the last of the hair and get the skin to the right thickness.

The skins, which were made almost entirely of collagen, would form a natural glue while drying and once taken off the frame they would keep their form.


[edit] Parchment treatments
To make the parchment more aesthetically pleasing or more suitable for the scribes, special treatments were used.

According to Reed there were a variety of these treatments. Rubbing pumice powder into the flesh side of parchment while it was still wet on the frame was used to make it smooth so inks would penetrate deep into the fibres.

Powders and pastes of calcium compounds were also used to help remove grease so the ink would not run.

To make the parchment smooth and white, thin pastes (starchgrain) of lime, flour, egg whites and milk were rubbed into the skins.

Meliora di Curci in her paper "The History and Technology of Parchment Making" notes that parchment was not always white. "Cennini, a 15th century craftsman provides recipes to tint parchment a variety of colours including purple, indigo, green, red and peach." The Early medieval Codex Argenteus and Codex Vercellensis, the Stockholm Codex Aureus and the Codex Brixianus give a range of luxuriously produced manuscripts all on purple vellum, in imitation of Byzantine examples, like the Rossano Gospels, Sinope Gospels and the Vienna Genesis, which at least at one time are believed to have been reserved for Imperial commissions.


[edit] Reuse
Main article Palimpsest.
During the seventh through the ninth centuries, many earlier parchment manuscripts were scrubbed and scoured to be ready for rewriting, and often the earlier writing can still be read. These "recycled" parchments are called palimpsests. Later, more thorough techniques of scouring the surface irretrievably lost the earlier text.


[edit] Alternatives to Parchment
Main article Gevil.
The way in which parchment was processed (from hide to parchment) has undergone a tremendous evolution based on time and location. Parchment and vellum are not the sole methods of preparing animal skins for writing. In the Babylonian Talmud (Bava Batra 14B) Moses writes the first Torah Scroll on the unsplit cow-hide called gevil.

Main article paper.
In the later Middle Ages European parchment in turn was largely replaced by paper, a Chinese invention that was being manufactured in Moorish Andalusia in the eleventh century. Paper became particularly important with the advent of printing in the later fifteenth century, since the demands of printers would have outstripped the supply of animal skins for parchment.

Parchment is still the only medium used by religious Jews for Torah scrolls or Tefilin and Mezuzahs, and is produced by large companies in Israel. For those uses, only hides of kosher animals are permitted. Since there are many requirements for it being fit for the religious use, the liming is usually processed under supervision of a qualified Rabbi.[5]


[edit] Additional uses of the term
In some universities, the word parchment is still used to refer to the certificate (scroll) presented at graduation ceremonies, even though the modern document is printed on paper or thin card; although doctoral graduands may be given the option of having their scroll written by a calligrapher on vellum. The University of Notre Dame still uses animal parchment for its diplomas.


[edit] Plant-based parchment
Vegetable (paper) parchment is made by silicone treatment of high density paper. This produces a cross-linked material with high density, stability and heat resistance. Applications include cooking and baking (cooking parchment, baking parchment). To avoid sticking to foods, silicone and other coatings can be applied to parchment.

A common use is to eliminate the need to grease baking sheets and the like, allowing very rapid turn-around of batches of cookies in a commercial bakery. It can also be folded to make moisture-proof packages in which food items are cooked or steamed En papillote.

Standard grease-proof or wax paper does not have the properties of parchment and will burn in most cooking applications.


[edit] See also
Manuscript culture
diploma
palimpsest
paper
Parchment repair
Klaf
Gevil
Duchsustus

[edit] Notes
^ Either Eumenes I — who ruled 263–241 BC — or Eumenes II — who ruled 197–158).
^ as quoted in David McKitterick, Print, Manuscript, and the Search for Order Cambridge University Press, 2003
^ For examples of contemporary artists using parchment see:
Contemporary Illumination
The St. John's Bible, *More Contemporary Illumination.
For an example of a contemporary parchment maker see:
Parchmenter.
^ a b Reed, 1975.
^ Information Leaflet by Vaad Mishmereth Staam.

[edit] References
di Curci, Meliora. (2003) The History and Technology of Parchment Making. http://www.sca.org.au/scribe/articles/parchment.htm
Hasewint, Inden W. (2001) Tor Parchment Prepared According to Mediaeval Recipes. http://dedas.com/parchment/uk/recipe.html
Reed, Ronald. (1975). The Nature and Making of Parchment. Leeds, England: Elmete Press

[edit] Further reading
Dougherty, Raymond P., 1928." Writing upon parchment and papyrus among the Babylonians and the Assyrians," in Journal of the American Oriental Society 48, pp 109–135.
Ryder, Michael L., 1964. Parchment: its history, manufacture and composition.
Reed, R. 1972. Ancient Skins, Parchments, and Leathers. Seminar Press. ISBN 0-12-903550-5

[edit] External links
Wikimedia Commons has media related to:
ParchmentsWikimedia Commons has media related to:
ParchmentCentral European University, Materials and Techniques of Manuscript Production: Parchment: medieval technique
On-line demonstration of the preparation of vellum from the BNF, Paris. Text in French, but mostly visual.
Leaves of gold
Meir Bar-Ilan, "Parchment"
Lacus Curtius Website: Liber: Roman book production
UNESCO: Parchment: production and conservation
Inden witten Hasewint Parchment Contemporary application of the Medieval technique.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parchment"
 
right .. we got ur joke oxy ... just too busy watching clark to reply :19:
 
Oxy said:
Parchment

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• Interested in contributing to Wikipedia? •Jump to: navigation, search

Central European (Northern) type of finished parchment made of goatskin stretched on a wooden frame
German parchmenter, 1568Parchment is a thin material made from calfskin, sheepskin or goatskin. Its most common use is as the pages of a book, codex or manuscript. It is distinct from leather in that parchment is not tanned, but stretched, scraped, and dried under tension, creating a stiff white, yellowish or translucent animal skin. The finer qualities of parchment are called vellum. It is very reactive with changes in relative humidity and is not waterproof.

Plant-based parchment is used in baking and other applications as a substitute for animal parchment.

Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Manufacture
3 Parchment treatments
3.1 Reuse
3.2 Alternatives to Parchment
3.3 Additional uses of the term
4 Plant-based parchment
5 See also
6 Notes
7 References
8 Further reading
9 External links



[edit] History

A Sefer Torah, the traditional form of the Hebrew Bible, is a scroll of parchment.According to the Roman Varro, Pliny's Natural History records (xiii.21), parchment was invented under the patronage of Eumenes of Pergamum,[1] as a substitute for papyrus, which was temporarily not being exported from Alexandria, its only source.

Herodotus mentions writing on skins as common in his time, the 5th century BC; and in his Histories (v.58) he states that the Ionians of Asia Minor had been accustomed to give the name of skins — diphtherai — to books; this word was adapted by Hellenized Jews to describe scrolls [1]. Parchment (pergamenum in Latin), however, is named after the city where it was perfected. In the 2nd century B.C. a great library was set up in Pergamon that rivaled the famous Library of Alexandria. As prices rose for papyrus and the reed used for making it was overharvested towards local extinction in the two nomes of the Nile delta that produced it, Pergamon adapted by increasing use of parchment.

Writing on prepared animal skins had a long history, however. Some Egyptian Fourth Dynasty texts were written on parchment. Though the Assyrians and the Babylonians impressed their cuneiform on clay tablets, they also wrote on parchment from the 6th century BC onward. Rabbinic culture equated a "book" with a parchment scroll. Early Islamic texts are also found on parchment.

One sort of parchment is vellum, a word that is used loosely to mean parchment, and especially to mean fine parchment, but more strictly refers to parchment made from calf skin (although goat skin can be as fine in quality). The words "vellum" and "veal" come from Latin vitulus, "calf", or its diminutive vitellus. In the Middle Ages calfskin and split sheepskin were the most common materials for making parchment in England and France, while goatskin was more common in Italy. Other skins such as those from large animals such as horse and smaller animals such as squirrel and rabbit were also used. Whether uterine vellum (vellum made from aborted calf fetuses) was ever really used during the medieval period is still a matter of great controversy.


An English deed written on fine parchment or vellum with seal tag dated 1638.There was a short period during the introduction of printing where parchment and paper were used interchangeably: although most copies of the Gutenberg Bible are on paper, some were printed on parchment. In 1490, Johannes Trithemius preferred the older methods, because "handwriting placed on parchment will be able to endure a thousand years. But how long will printing last, which is dependent on paper? For if ...it lasts for two hundred years that is a long time." [2]

The heyday of parchment use was during the medieval period, but there has been a growing revival of its use among contemporary artists since the late 20th century. Although parchment never stopped being used (primarily for governmental documents and diplomas) it had ceased to be a primary choice for artist’s supports by the end of 15th century Renaissance. This was partly due to its expense and partly due to its unusual working properties. Parchment consists mostly of collagen. When the water in paint media touches parchment’s surface, the collagen melts slightly, forming a raised bed for the paint, a quality highly prized by some artists. Parchment is also extremely affected by its environment and changes in humidity, which can cause buckling. Some contemporary artists also prize this quality, noting that the parchment seems alive and like an active participant in making artwork. To support the needs of the revival of use by artists, a revival in the art of making individual skins is also underway. Handmade skins are usually better prepared for artists and have fewer oily spots which can cause long-term cracking of paint than mass-produced parchment. Mass-produced parchment is usually made for lamp shades, furniture, or other interior design purposes.[3]

The radiocarbon dating techniques that are used on papyrus can be applied to parchment as well. They do not date the age of the writing but the preparation of the parchment itself. However, radiocarbon dating can often be used on the inks that make up the writing, since many of them contain organic compounds such as plant leachings, soot, and wine.


[edit] Manufacture
The first step in creating parchment was to wet or soak the recently flayed skin in water to remove the blood and dung and to allow easier penetration of the dehairing liquor.[4]

In early days the liquor bath was fermented vegetable matter but by the Middle Ages a lime bath was used to soften the epidermal layer thus allowing the hair to be removed more easily. It is possible that urine was sometimes used as a lime alternative.

The liquor bath would have been in wooden or stone vats and the hides stirred with a long wooden pole to avoid getting the lime on human skin. The skins would stay in the bath for 8 or more days (longer in winter) being stirred two or three times a day.

After being rinsed the skins would be given a second lime bath but care would be taken to not leave the skins in too long or they would be weakened and not able to stand the stretching required for parchment.[4]

The stretching allowed the fibres to become aligned running parallel to the grain. Cords were attached and the skin was stretched on a wooden frame with both sides open so they could be scraped with a sharp, curved knife to remove the last of the hair and get the skin to the right thickness.

The skins, which were made almost entirely of collagen, would form a natural glue while drying and once taken off the frame they would keep their form.


[edit] Parchment treatments
To make the parchment more aesthetically pleasing or more suitable for the scribes, special treatments were used.

According to Reed there were a variety of these treatments. Rubbing pumice powder into the flesh side of parchment while it was still wet on the frame was used to make it smooth so inks would penetrate deep into the fibres.

Powders and pastes of calcium compounds were also used to help remove grease so the ink would not run.

To make the parchment smooth and white, thin pastes (starchgrain) of lime, flour, egg whites and milk were rubbed into the skins.

Meliora di Curci in her paper "The History and Technology of Parchment Making" notes that parchment was not always white. "Cennini, a 15th century craftsman provides recipes to tint parchment a variety of colours including purple, indigo, green, red and peach." The Early medieval Codex Argenteus and Codex Vercellensis, the Stockholm Codex Aureus and the Codex Brixianus give a range of luxuriously produced manuscripts all on purple vellum, in imitation of Byzantine examples, like the Rossano Gospels, Sinope Gospels and the Vienna Genesis, which at least at one time are believed to have been reserved for Imperial commissions.


[edit] Reuse
Main article Palimpsest.
During the seventh through the ninth centuries, many earlier parchment manuscripts were scrubbed and scoured to be ready for rewriting, and often the earlier writing can still be read. These "recycled" parchments are called palimpsests. Later, more thorough techniques of scouring the surface irretrievably lost the earlier text.


[edit] Alternatives to Parchment
Main article Gevil.
The way in which parchment was processed (from hide to parchment) has undergone a tremendous evolution based on time and location. Parchment and vellum are not the sole methods of preparing animal skins for writing. In the Babylonian Talmud (Bava Batra 14B) Moses writes the first Torah Scroll on the unsplit cow-hide called gevil.

Main article paper.
In the later Middle Ages European parchment in turn was largely replaced by paper, a Chinese invention that was being manufactured in Moorish Andalusia in the eleventh century. Paper became particularly important with the advent of printing in the later fifteenth century, since the demands of printers would have outstripped the supply of animal skins for parchment.

Parchment is still the only medium used by religious Jews for Torah scrolls or Tefilin and Mezuzahs, and is produced by large companies in Israel. For those uses, only hides of kosher animals are permitted. Since there are many requirements for it being fit for the religious use, the liming is usually processed under supervision of a qualified Rabbi.[5]


[edit] Additional uses of the term
In some universities, the word parchment is still used to refer to the certificate (scroll) presented at graduation ceremonies, even though the modern document is printed on paper or thin card; although doctoral graduands may be given the option of having their scroll written by a calligrapher on vellum. The University of Notre Dame still uses animal parchment for its diplomas.


[edit] Plant-based parchment
Vegetable (paper) parchment is made by silicone treatment of high density paper. This produces a cross-linked material with high density, stability and heat resistance. Applications include cooking and baking (cooking parchment, baking parchment). To avoid sticking to foods, silicone and other coatings can be applied to parchment.

A common use is to eliminate the need to grease baking sheets and the like, allowing very rapid turn-around of batches of cookies in a commercial bakery. It can also be folded to make moisture-proof packages in which food items are cooked or steamed En papillote.

Standard grease-proof or wax paper does not have the properties of parchment and will burn in most cooking applications.


[edit] See also
Manuscript culture
diploma
palimpsest
paper
Parchment repair
Klaf
Gevil
Duchsustus

[edit] Notes
^ Either Eumenes I — who ruled 263–241 BC — or Eumenes II — who ruled 197–158).
^ as quoted in David McKitterick, Print, Manuscript, and the Search for Order Cambridge University Press, 2003
^ For examples of contemporary artists using parchment see:
Contemporary Illumination
The St. John's Bible, *More Contemporary Illumination.
For an example of a contemporary parchment maker see:
Parchmenter.
^ a b Reed, 1975.
^ Information Leaflet by Vaad Mishmereth Staam.

[edit] References
di Curci, Meliora. (2003) The History and Technology of Parchment Making. http://www.sca.org.au/scribe/articles/parchment.htm
Hasewint, Inden W. (2001) Tor Parchment Prepared According to Mediaeval Recipes. http://dedas.com/parchment/uk/recipe.html
Reed, Ronald. (1975). The Nature and Making of Parchment. Leeds, England: Elmete Press

[edit] Further reading
Dougherty, Raymond P., 1928." Writing upon parchment and papyrus among the Babylonians and the Assyrians," in Journal of the American Oriental Society 48, pp 109–135.
Ryder, Michael L., 1964. Parchment: its history, manufacture and composition.
Reed, R. 1972. Ancient Skins, Parchments, and Leathers. Seminar Press. ISBN 0-12-903550-5

[edit] External links
Wikimedia Commons has media related to:
ParchmentsWikimedia Commons has media related to:
ParchmentCentral European University, Materials and Techniques of Manuscript Production: Parchment: medieval technique
On-line demonstration of the preparation of vellum from the BNF, Paris. Text in French, but mostly visual.
Leaves of gold
Meir Bar-Ilan, "Parchment"
Lacus Curtius Website: Liber: Roman book production
UNESCO: Parchment: production and conservation
Inden witten Hasewint Parchment Contemporary application of the Medieval technique.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parchment"
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what the hell is this :))) :))) :)))
 
Inswinging Yorker said:
joke? was that supposed to be funny? :20:
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the pure randomness of it was hilarious. Lighten up dude :19:
 
Stumps Day 2
Mighty Morton 23 - Super Chanderpaul 25
West Indies 115/3 (37.0 ov) - trail by 316 runs
 
i would give the advantage to australia, but windies though not out of it got a lot of
work to do.

the state of the pitch which is breaking up and that is the key to the match
 
kashif77 said:
right .. we got ur joke oxy ... just too busy watching clark to reply :19:
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:D Good job he got out immediately - otherwise I would have thrown in more random Parchment Paper facts.....
 
Windies need a century from Chanderpaul to have any hope in securing at least a draw, no doubt about it.

I'm not sure how much longer we can afford to persist with Johnson. Wasim Akram he is not, and never will be. If he could at least bowl line and length, but as it is he's just wasting the new ball. Hopefully Noffke comes in for the second test.
 
with Mitchel Johnson I read or heard today a comment that he is not able to bring the ball back in to right handers
 
Milroastnescafe said:
I'm not sure how much longer we can afford to persist with Johnson. Wasim Akram he is not, and never will be. If he could at least bowl line and length, but as it is he's just wasting the new ball. Hopefully Noffke comes in for the second test.
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I don't understand why Johnson gets the new ball ahead of Clark - is it because of Johnson's extra pace? Because Clark is clearly the better bowler?
 
cars112 said:
I don't understand why Johnson gets the new ball ahead of Clark - is it because of Johnson's extra pace? Because Clark is clearly the better bowler?
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This has been frustrating me since the Sri Lankan series. It's because he has extra pace, that must be the sole reason, unless Ponting is unders some illusion that he is able to swing the ball, when the only swing ive seen him able to get is reverse-swing, which is all the more reason to bowl him when the ball is older (or not at all preferably). I often wonder how many potential wickets we've sacrifice by not choosing to open with Clark.
 
Johnson is a product of his times - very, very unidemensional and limited bowler who will never take a 6fer or 7fer in his life.
I'd have rather thrown in someone like Bollinger or one of the Victorian quicks. Heard Darren Pattinson is bowling vey well in county cricket.
 
Milroastnescafe said:
Windies need a century from Chanderpaul to have any hope in securing at least a draw, no doubt about it.

I'm not sure how much longer we can afford to persist with Johnson. Wasim Akram he is not, and never will be. If he could at least bowl line and length, but as it is he's just wasting the new ball. Hopefully Noffke comes in for the second test.
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He is a work in progress MJ but is not really progressing the way we hoped.

Noffke hell no. He is a hack and past 30 years old - MJ has the potential to improve.

Bollinger please, left armer for left armer.

Perth 93 - none of the Victorian quicks can stay fit for long enough to be be in contention. Fortunately for the Vics they have a few of them.
 
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Milroastnescafe said:
This has been frustrating me since the Sri Lankan series. It's because he has extra pace, that must be the sole reason, unless Ponting is unders some illusion that he is able to swing the ball, when the only swing ive seen him able to get is reverse-swing, which is all the more reason to bowl him when the ball is older (or not at all preferably). I often wonder how many potential wickets we've sacrifice by not choosing to open with Clark.
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Mil, you were doing well until you mentioned Noffke. He's the "fast" (and I use the term loosely) bowler equivalent of Nathan Horroritz.

How did Hilfenhaus go this year? Did he do a Dan Cullen and fade away?
 
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