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West Indies v England | 4th Test | Trinidad | 6-10 Mar 09

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Looking forward to this encounter because it looks like England will go for broke for the win and it will be welcome relief to see some hard aggressive cricket against a West Indies side who might be in two minds in whether to go for the win or hold out for the draw.

The only dampener possibly may again be the pitch again if it turns out to be another flat track with nothing for the bowlers.

England may go for a 5 man bowling attack even if they stick to four seems like Monty or Amjad Khan may be back. Khan will be a more aggressive intent but then also more of a gamble.
 
England wanting a win but not lose either so if winning looks distant then go for draw.

West Indies don't want to lose this, will like a win but draw is good for them. They want a test series win.

This has been a good series so far so it will be good
 
England are under pressure to perform and win otherwise they lose the series, but having said that I reckon the West Indies will be feeling a litle bit of pressure as they have not beaten a top side in a test series for a while, so it's imperative from their point of view that going into the last test match 1-0 up they sieze on this oppurtunity!

Personally I would like to see the West Indies win and take the series 2-0, could spark a re-vival in their cricket. Whether they win or not will probably depend on the picth, if it's as flat as the Barbadous pitch then a draw is the favourite result!

On a side note, there is talk of Amjad khan of Kent making his debut in the final test match, for all I know is that he's a fast bowler, is there anyone out there that has watched him on a regular basis? What is he like?
 
I'm expectin Amjad Khan to make his debut. Their bowling in this series has lacked any fight.
 
genghis81 said:
I'm expectin Amjad Khan to make his debut. Their bowling in this series has lacked any fight.
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I thought England had gun bowling attack :batman: Guess not.
 
heard on the radio that Bopara will be dropped for this match to accommodate the extra bowler.
 
On_the_up said:
heard on the radio that Bopara will be dropped for this match to accommodate the extra bowler.
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That would be harsh scoring a ton and been dropped!
 
Really hope the Windies will be able to hang on for the series win. Would be a huge boost for them and the game in general!
 
Amjid Javed said:
That would be harsh scoring a ton and been dropped!
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I suppose it was either him or Shah, and they wan to give Shah a proper chance considering how long he's had to wait. It's a temporary measure anyway.
 
Yeah heard the above too, it would be confidence destroying if Shah was dropped, true Bopara got a hundred but he was only makeshift replacement.

I think England need to reconfigure their batting order,..Pietersen at 3 then Shah at 4.

If they bring in Rashid (looks unlikely) then they will strengthen their batting a bit than if Monty or Amjad were playing.
 
England team should be:-

Stauss, Cook, shah, KP. colly, prior, Khan, Rashif. Broad, swann, anderson

Fact rashid and broad can bat at 7/8 would benefit england.

Sadly bopara may need to go...
 
think Prior will come back, Amjad Khan for Sidebottom, and Monty for Bopara
 
Trindad has been the best cricket wicket in the Windies for years.

Last 10 tests have produced a result stretching back to 1998, Windies have only won 3 though.

I know it may seem harsh on Shah but he didn't bat very well in Barbados, both he and Bopara are unproven, you gotta go with the man in form. Test cricket is a tough game.
 
On_the_up said:
think Prior will come back, Amjad Khan for Sidebottom, and Monty for Bopara
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I think W.I should go with a leggie in Rashid!
 
Intresting to see if W.I replace Hinds and powell with Simmons and Baker.

W.I cant keep giving away big totals due to impotent bowling and sloppy fielding!
 
Haven't seen the full teams yet but Amjad Khan will definitely make his debut, he's been handed his England cap by Nasser Hussain.
 
England wins the toss and will bat first

9.40am No Benn - West Indies are playing the extra batsman in Lendl Simmons, the highly rated youngster. No Jerome Taylor who's injured so Lionel Baker comes in. Two contrasting team selections. England, of course, simply have to win this Test hence the five bowlers while West Indies' selection, arguably, is more aimed at the draw.

1 Chris Gayle, 2 Devon Smith, 3 Ramnaresh Sarwan, 4 Lendl Simmons, 5 Shivnarine Chanderpaul, 6 Brendan Nash, 7 Ryan Hinds, 8 Denesh Ramdin, 9 Daren Powell, 10 Fidel Edwards, 11 Lionel Baker

Here's the England team, chaps. Two spinners (hurrah...but no Rashid) and a five-man attack

1 Andrew Strauss, 2 Alastair Cook, 3 Owais Shah, 4 Kevin Pietersen, 5 Paul Collingwood, 6 Matt Prior (wk), 7 Stuart Broad, 8 Graeme Swann, 9 James Anderson, 10 Amjad Khan, 11 Monty Panesar
 
Very pleased with the team selection, it shows positivity and gives off a general air of confidence. One or two people were always going to get a rough deal, but don't forgot this is as must-win a match we have had in a long time. It's the best team that could have been selected in the circumstances. Shah will come good.
 
All the players wearing black armbands, as well as holding a minutes silence, in memory of those that lost their lives in Lahore.
 
Was hoping to see Rashid getting the nod ahead of Monty. But overall a positive attacking team selection from England, and a very defensive one from the Windies.
 
Good ball from Powell there, Cook missing out here after passing 50 in previous 4 innings!

The stage is set for Shah, big innings for him and his team.
 
Intresting W.I have picked an extra batsmen here! Then again Gayle and hinds are probably better spin options then Benn.

3 seamers i guess will share the work load.

England have been postive playing two spinners, i guess the two seamers will be used in short sharp spells.

Bopara must feel hard done by been dropped.

England 26/1 at moment.
 
Baker on now, the 1st player from monsarrat to play for the W.I

Looks pretty lively so far!
 
Intresting that W.I Havent had a poor batting inns all series so far!
 
Amjid Javed said:
Intresting that W.I Havent had a poor batting inns all series so far!
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Well I think the first innings in Antigua was pretty ordinary, maybe not poor but it's debatable as it was on a flat pitch with one or two half fit England bowlers.
 
I'll whisper it but Powell is actually bowling quite well at the moment.

He did start well in Jamaica but has just not fancied the flat pancakes since, been poor at the basics.
 
Eng 63/1 and have once again started well with the bat.
 
This pitch offers some swing to the bowlers, but is still a very good pitch to bat on! There is though absolutely no pace and bounce what so ever!

Even Fidel Edwards was struggling to extract and pace and bounce from the pitch! The pitch defintely suits bowlers that deliver balls that just kiss the pitch as oppose to hitting the pitch hard!
 
Strauss 50, his 15th. He has good conversion rate to 100 (16 centuries)

England now 102-1 after 41 overs
 
Another dead pitch

Thanks Miller. What's going on? Come back, Exciting Cricket; all is forgiven. If anyone's spotted Exciting Cricket on their travels and knows where it's been hiding, do let us know.
End of over 44 (4 runs) - England 119/1

OA Shah 28* (111b 4x4) BP Nash 12-3-29-0
AJ Strauss 70* (133b 7x4) CH Gayle 5-0-17-0
And that's it. That is drinks, and I genuinely, truly cannot take any more. I am off to end it all right this minute. Goodbye cruel world, here's Will Luke to bore you into submission. Be gentle with him
43.6 Nash to Shah, no run, outside off, barely an iota of carry to report
 
Shah 29(115) - Strauss 82(147)
Eng 132-1 after 47 overs

47.2 Nash to Strauss, 1 run, outside off and left alone

OA Shah retired hurt 29 (115b 4x4 0x6) SR: 25.21

Shah is cramping up badly here. The physio's coming on. His fingers are closing on themselves - looks and sounds horrible but it's just the humidity and the fact he holds his bat so incredibly hard. Very tense at the crease. The physio's bending them back to try and get them in position again. Shah also cramped up on his debut, and had to retire hurt. And he's now leaving the field here, too, I'm afraid to say. His hands are in a dreadful state
 
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47.5 Nash to Pietersen, no run, got him! Nash has got the big one, KP, as it rushed onto him quite low and up goes the finger! It did look like it pitched outside leg so a giggling Pietersen is going to refer it. Replays show that it pitched about a foot outside leg, in fact - a fairly ropey decision from Tiffen. But for some reason, it seems to be taking ages and ages for the third umpire to come to a decision but finally Aleem Dar, with a surprising shock of hair, signals that it pitched outside leg

Looked like radio not working as an official came out of room to signal on leg side and not out. and cricinfo says that was Aleem Dar:

We've never seen Aleem Dar without a sunhat. And I can reveal exclusively that he's been hiding a hugely impressive barnet: he has at least a foot of hair on his head. Outstanding effort from that man
 
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Shah should have batted at number 4 anyway.

Looks like another flat pitch, Strauss set for yet another hundred.
 
The mighty Ryan Hinds clean bowls Pieterson right on tea!!!

And follows up with a diving, football style celebration!
 
KP bowled by Hinds. The ball kept straight and went between bat and pad

55.3 Hinds to Pietersen, OUT, BOWLED HIM! Following on from the one which turned, this one holds its line on Pietersen and bowls him neck-and-crop! He was expecting spin; there was none. Hinds is beyond ecstatic, sliding on the ground football-style and deservedly so

KP Pietersen b Hinds 10 (26b 2x4 0x6) SR: 38.46

Strauss 95(173)
England 156-2 after 55.3 overs
Tea time
 
What is Owais's problems in hot conditions - he cramped up a couple of years back on his debut in India.

Its gonna count against him one day selection wise.

KP will be cursing Shah!
 
We've never seen Aleem Dar without a sunhat. And I can reveal exclusively that he's been hiding a hugely impressive barnet: he has at least a foot of hair on his head. Outstanding effort from that man
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:)))
 
I hope Owais comes out and score a century so the idiots in sky sports` studio can shut their mouth close. One of them said that shah has let england down!
 
England batting like snails, games been played with no passion or intent by either side.

KP out to a pretty average ball!

W.I should look to get a few more wickets in last session!
 
IAJ said:
I hope Owais comes out and score a century so the idiots in sky sports` studio can shut their mouth close. One of them said that shah has let england down!
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The Charlie Colville said that - Nasser Hussain immediately said NO HE HAS NOT LET ENGLAND DOWN.
 
Windies lose their 1st refferral appeal - down to 1.
 
56.6 Powell to Strauss, no run, ooh, yes he does correct his line. On middle and it straightens, while also keeping a little low on Strauss's attempted pull. He's rapped quite high on the pad, but Gayle wants a referral. Replays suggest that was going over (remember, we don't have the benefit of Hawkeye for these referrals). Aleem Dar is the third umpire and he agrees with the original not-out decision

The impact was just outside the offstump and looked high. Hawkeye showed it clipping the stumps
 
anyone know the streams i could watch this in? Really wanting to see this match. Thanks :p
 
Slight delay here. The boards on the sightscreen behind the bowler's arm have got "stuck" on the advertising, so they're going to have to be manually turned over.

only a quarter of the ad flipped to white :) They have pushed the scrren to a side and working on it
play resumed
Collingwood 17(13) Strauss 98(179)
Eng 177-2 after 58.3 overs
31.3 overs left today
 
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Slight delay here. The boards on the sightscreen behind the bowler's arm have got "stuck" on the advertising, so they're going to have to be manually turned over.

only a quarter of the ad flipped to white :)
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Always something going wrong in the Windies...
 
Sightscreen stuck at the moment, they have managed to manually rotate some of the thingymajigs, it now read "Dig" instead of Digicell. On resumption, Colly hits a gift of a full toss for 4 straight back past the bowler
 
Powell helping England up the run rate, this time through square leg for 4
 
I said it in the last test - I'll say it again.

Darren Powell is absolute shyte!

Is he really one of the best available fast bowlers in the Windies?
 
Collingwood with another boundary off the spinner this time lifted over midwkt
 
Oxy said:
I said it in the last test - I'll say it again.

Darren Powell is absolute shyte!

Is he really one of the best available fast bowlers in the Windies?
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nope, all their fast bowlers have avg around 40s bar taylor.. so no shock teams get past 400 each inning. . . .
 
Strauss gets hundred number 3 of the series, thats 5 in 10 tests as captain
 
Strauss gets his 3rd century of the series

His 18th in total

Subdued celebrations
 
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Dwayne Bravo on to sub for Chanderpaul who got some thigh or groin issue
 
Didnt realised Strauss had so many test centuries!

Must be up their with the leading Eng century makers?
 
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Dwayne Bravo on to sub for Chanderpaul who got some thigh or groin issue
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Good to see Bravo back, hope hes fit to play in ODI series. He would strength the W.I batting and bowling in future tests!
 
Oxy said:
Didnt realised Strauss had so many test centuries!

Must be up their with the leading Eng century makers?
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He had a brilliant start to his test career, then had a poor run and got dropped in the away series against Sri Lanka. He made a big hundred in New Zealand on his return series and hasn't looked back since.
 
Chanderpaul limping aint a good sign for W.I

Strauss has lead from front with bat for england in this series!
 
pitch is turning, England will be pleased they have picked 2 front line spinners
 
Oxy said:
I said it in the last test - I'll say it again.

Darren Powell is absolute shyte!

Is he really one of the best available fast bowlers in the Windies?
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Well if they had better bowlers than him, do you think they would have been in this situation? They have not won a series for ages (allthoug they can win this one)
 
Stat alert: Strauss has now scored 1000 runs as captain, in only his 10th test, good going!
 
Oxy said:
Didnt realised Strauss had so many test centuries!

Must be up their with the leading Eng century makers?
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Strauss has 18 test tons same number as gower and Vaughan.

Most for england is 22 by:- Hammond, Cowdrey and Boycott!
 
Amjid Javed said:
Strauss has 18 test tons same number as gower and Vaughan.

Most for england is 22 by:- Hammond, Cowdrey and Boycott!
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Is that the highest, I am surprised, wonder how many Gooch got?
 
what a ball from hinds, Shane warne would have been proud of the amount that turned
 
On_the_up said:
what a ball from hinds, Shane warne would have been proud of the amount that turned
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All smiles in the English dressing room after that 'turner' from Hinds! In particular from Swann!!
 
I think england missed a trick not picking rashid here!
 
Oxy said:
All smiles in the English dressing room after that 'turner' from Hinds! In particular from Swann!!
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and Windies dont play a front line spinner - bizarre. Its been a dour days cricket, in fact this whole series has been thin on entertainment.
 
Saj said:
and Windies dont play a front line spinner - bizarre. Its been a dour days cricket, in fact this whole series has been thin on entertainment.
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Benn is injured. Also hinds/Gayle are probably better than any other spin options W.I have.

This series has been a bore feast due to docile wickets and two pretty toothless bowling attacks!
 
End of day 1, England on 258-2, Strauss 139*, Collingwood 54* A good base on a slow pitch expecting to take more and more turn as the game goes on.
 
Saj said:
and Windies dont play a front line spinner - bizarre. Its been a dour days cricket, in fact this whole series has been thin on entertainment.
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Agreed - its been a let down, was expecting much more BUT what a TRAVESTY

The Aus-SA series has been canny to watch
 
Eng-WI series wasn't that boring. Okay it only had 2-4 days of better cricket to watch in 2 tests but at the end the games were exciting (England losing after Taylor spell and the climatic draw). One (last one) test was just boring to watch and now we are in the 4th test (labelled as 5th). Wickets have been flat so it needs a spell or collapse so that is what we can hope for here too
 
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Eng 300/4 - colly 63* prior 26*

Strauss and Shah out already today. England going along at around 3 runs per over.
 
Prior going well here at nearly a run a ball 41, Eng 329-4, 57 runs of the last 10 overs
 
England have almost scored at run a ball in last 10 overs which finally shows intent.
 
Good session for England after loosing a couple of early wkts. 114 runs in the session. 100 partnership up.
 
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