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West Indies v Pakistan | 1st Test | Sabina Park, Kingston | Apr 21-25, 2017 | Day 4

Hopefully Usman comes in for Shafiq next game. Ive had enough of him for now. He can make the XI once YK and Misbah leabe.
 
It's about time the future captain score some impact full runs, living too long only past record and reputation.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Its about time Shafiq is stopped given this special treatment. Performing once a series is simply not enough.
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He is like an inferior version of a Younis Khan who is past his prime. He averages about 40 after 53 games, it's a big dilemma because the man can play some absolute gems across all conditions but lacks consistency. So that makes it tough to replace Shafiq but he needs to stand up, maybe sending him to the dog house for a short while would be a much needed kick up his bum. There are some other interesting names coming through I suppose, we could bring back Shafiq after punishing him :mv
 
shaz619 said:
Time to change your prediction for the game now brother :yk
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I think, still PAK'll take a decent lead - Gabriel won't run for more than 2 more overs & it's a 2.5 hour session, he is not coming back before lunch.

WI players have lost the hunger for fight - otherwise, they would have been batting now for 2nd time against this batting line up.
 
Misbah ul Haq - 17 from 58 deliveries playing at a SR of under 30. :14:


Pakistan well on their way to salvage a draw.
 
Rayyman said:
That's why we need MoHa back to bat at 5/6. He has opening experience, seniority, and 5th bowler.

It's no brainer to bring him to replace Misbah.
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I would rather have Chris Martin than hafeez Atleast he can bowl better than Wahab the fast and furious
 
Shafiq gets a lot of hate on here. Average of 40 isn't bad at #6. Not great, but good enough.
 
Boi said:
Hopefully Usman comes in for Shafiq next game. Ive had enough of him for now. He can make the XI once YK and Misbah leabe.
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PAK needs couple of lefti in the line up, nothing else is going to solve the problem. This morning, what I have seen in Gabriel bowling at 3 quarter out side off of 2 right handers like a bowling machine & new ball finally got an edge. If this is allowed to every bowler, result will be similar.
 
Its a matter of time before Misbah gets out with Gabriel bowling like this. Either that or he'll break a bone. Looking clueless.
 
shaz619 said:
He is like an inferior version of a Younis Khan who is past his prime. He averages about 40 after 53 games, it's a big dilemma because the man can play some absolute gems across all conditions but lacks consistency. So that makes it tough to replace Shafiq but he needs to stand up, maybe sending him to the dog house for a short while would be a much needed kick up his bum. There are some other interesting names coming through I suppose, we could bring back Shafiq after punishing him :mv
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Guess so. He averages 40 because he gets a hundred once every series and fails in all other innings. Even that sole hundred is usually not that important to the game. With the talent coming thru, he should at least be given a hint that he needs to start scoring.
 
Izzat se retire hojata tou yehi din nahi dekhna parta
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] off topic but what you think about pak odi team batting combo is there any possible batting selections which can even take us to semis and batsman who can score at 6 rpo and score 300 in full 50 overs.
 
Syed1 said:
Misbah ul Haq - 17 from 58 deliveries playing at a SR of under 30. :14:


Pakistan well on their way to salvage a draw.
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Don't solely target Misbah. What about Team man, Selfie King, Ducklord and Kohli Jr?
 
Sarfraz needs to play a meaningful innings here. It has been way too long since his last good test innings. Get a 50-60 and help Pak reach a lead of at least 100. This is a tricky pitch and the way AMir and Abbas have bowled and the marks that will help Shah, that would be good enough to put the windies under the kosh.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Don't solely target Misbah. What about Team man, Selfie King, Ducklord and Kohli Jr?
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79, 62, 36, 42, 29, 33 and 50.

these are the SRs of all the Pakistani batsman that have batted at present. I'll let you figure out which one is Misbah.
 
Syed1 said:
79, 62, 36, 42, 29, 33 and 50.

these are the SRs of all the Pakistani batsman that have batted at present. I'll let you figure out which one is Misbah.
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Lets see who has a more positive impact on the game by the end.
 
None of our tail has even one fifty. Starc himself has 9.

Perfect opportunity to get one now.
 
Even Sarfraz is tired of Misbahs tuk tuk. Refusing the 2nd to retain strike lol
 
Shafiq out yet again against new ball, so many times we have seen this before...This is the reason he had hard time at no 3. Even after 50 test, still cannot handle new ball, poor stuff from him :(
 
Zeshan547 said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] off topic but what you think about pak odi team batting combo is there any possible batting selections which can even take us to semis and batsman who can score at 6 rpo and score 300 in full 50 overs.
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At this moment, tactically it doesn't look such, because of the players picked. Normally, great teams form ODI line-up 2 ways, either put outstanding top 4 & allow them to bat at their way (like the WI side, Indian side of early 2000s, AUS side of same time), or use the batting depth. 1st one is self explained, but the 2nd one I saw first used by Ranatunga - he had Chandana/Dharmasena & Vaas at 9 & 10, therefore, he had only 1 anchor in his lineup - Guru at 3 & rest were there to go after (Don't look at SR, because 260 those days are like 325 now). That same strategy later adopted by SAF, who had Symcox at 10 & the last of the great sides - 2015 AUS, who had Starc & MoJo at 9/10. Therefore, these teams always played for a head start & maintain a healthy RR; while teams like WI, IND had master player at top - once they are set, they'll put 3 digit individual scores & that sets up a very big total.

Problem for PAK is, if they adopt a top heavy batting with 4 specialist bowlers - many times team won't play out 50 overs, because the quality in top 4 isn't there. If they put a batting depth with Yamin, Imad, Shadab, Amir & Hasan in 7 to 11, MoHa, Ahmed won't factor that depth in their SR - result is 263-5 in a 300 per wicket.

There has to be a change in personal - at least 2/3 new faces need to come & only then, 300 can be achieved. At present, biggest problem I see is selfishness by senior players, who takes every opportunity to pile up decent personal scores, whenever they are put in 300+ wickets. Put MoHa, Ahmed & Azhar in top 3 + Babar at 4, PAK will bat for 75 overs, or end like as I said 263-5.

Sharjeel is a big loss, but can't help - but, Haris, Amin & may be Umar has to be brought in playing XI (provided that Umar is mentally sane now), & MoHa, Sarfy, Babar must be told that theirKPI is contribution, not stats - only than it can happen.
 
I hope Azhar and Asad will score in the farewell(third) match. This will show everybody that we don't need those two oldies.
 
Ramiz bashing Misbab and very rightly. He is batting like a pure tailender.
 
It would be epic if we need 30 more runs to win and we will be short of time.
 
Get to 50 run lead and then bat at a faster rate. We need to declare during the tea and hope for the best. 4 sessions are enough to get them out again.
 
Thank God for Sarfu.. otherwise we would have been batting at 1 rpo, thanks to you-know-who
 
MMHS said:
At this moment, tactically it doesn't look such, because of the players picked. Normally, great teams form ODI line-up 2 ways, either put outstanding top 4 & allow them to bat at their way (like the WI side, Indian side of early 2000s, AUS side of same time), or use the batting depth. 1st one is self explained, but the 2nd one I saw first used by Ranatunga - he had Chandana/Dharmasena & Vaas at 9 & 10, therefore, he had only 1 anchor in his lineup - Guru at 3 & rest were there to go after (Don't look at SR, because 260 those days are like 325 now). That same strategy later adopted by SAF, who had Symcox at 10 & the last of the great sides - 2015 AUS, who had Starc & MoJo at 9/10. Therefore, these teams always played for a head start & maintain a healthy RR; while teams like WI, IND had master player at top - once they are set, they'll put 3 digit individual scores & that sets up a very big total.

Problem for PAK is, if they adopt a top heavy batting with 4 specialist bowlers - many times team won't play out 50 overs, because the quality in top 4 isn't there. If they put a batting depth with Yamin, Imad, Shadab, Amir & Hasan in 7 to 11, MoHa, Ahmed won't factor that depth in their SR - result is 263-5 in a 300 per wicket.

There has to be a change in personal - at least 2/3 new faces need to come & only then, 300 can be achieved. At present, biggest problem I see is selfishness by senior players, who takes every opportunity to pile up decent personal scores, whenever they are put in 300+ wickets. Put MoHa, Ahmed & Azhar in top 3 + Babar at 4, PAK will bat for 75 overs, or end like as I said 263-5.

Sharjeel is a big loss, but can't help - but, Haris, Amin & may be Umar has to be brought in playing XI (provided that Umar is mentally sane now), & MoHa, Sarfy, Babar must be told that theirKPI is contribution, not stats - only than it can happen.
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Very well put but I think it's about both approach and ability, and we lack both but approach is easier part of problem ability is the real dilemma, our current and upcoming lot simply don't have equal striking ability as the other good modern teams batsman have. So we have to change the whole system and there is no short term fix no matter how hard we try.
 
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Misbah needs to at least rotate the strike if he can't play his shots. Sarfraz is in a good nick so need to make full use of it.
 
always nice to see Sarfraz bat, if he was given more opportunities he would have done better than Shafiq for sure
 
Gabriel, Joseph and Holder won't have much left for the next two Tests at this rate. Surprised at their workload, thought they'd give Bishoo a few more overs given his performances in the UAE series.
 
Markhor said:
Gabriel, Joseph and Holder won't have much left for the next two Tests at this rate. Surprised at their workload, thought they'd give Bishoo a few more overs given his performances in the UAE series.
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Exactly. Whether he likes it or not, Holder needs to be bring spin on. I'm surprised he isn't bringing in Chase more often. He's one of the best spinners in the Caribbean.
 
Can't wait until Misbah leaves. Absolute dud against pace. Abuses the spinners, but also gets out. Mediocre batsman overall.
 
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