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Our batting line up is vulnerable
Rohit-has to score which I'm not sure given his overseas record.
Gill-I'm not sold because at home he got owned by Anderson but he will be good on Australia and South Africa pitches.
Pujara-hasn't scored a century for last 2 years.
Kohli-has to step up but his past ICC knockout records shows most of the time he didn't stepped up when the team needs him
Rahane-is hit and miss
Which only remains Pant and Jadeja these two are in red hot form,I hope they will click because I have faith on both of them than having faith on top order.
 
Aakash Chopra picked his India's XI for the WTC Final against NZ:-

1. Shubman Gill.
2. Rohit Sharma.
3. Che Pujara.
4. Virat Kohli (C).
5. Ajinkya Rahane.
6. Rishabh Pant (WK).
7. Ravindra Jadeja.
8. Ravi Ashwin.
9. Jasprit Bumrah.
10. Mohammed Shami.
11. Ishant Sharma.
 
If this match get this much hype then Imagine a WTC fianale between india & Pakistan just mind blowing . Hope next cycle both team reach to final
 
A prize money of USD 1.6 million must be a good incentive. This could do good for test matches. Does anyone know how it compares to the prize money offered in other ICC tournaments? ODI world cup, T20 world cup, championship trophy, Asia cup etc.
 
A prize money of USD 1.6 million must be a good incentive. This could do good for test matches. Does anyone know how it compares to the prize money offered in other ICC tournaments? ODI world cup, T20 world cup, championship trophy, Asia cup etc.

$ 10 million prize pot for ICC Men's Cricket World Cup 2019
Winner - $ 4 million
Runner-up - $ 2 million
Winner of Each League Stage Match - $ 40,000


The winners of Men’s ICC T20 World Cup 2021 will take home $3.5 million and runners-up to pocket $1.5 million .
 
I think Kohli's gonna pull a rabit out of his hat come friday. I can see a surprise Shardul selection in the final, and it will likely be at the cost of Ashwin. You heard it here first.

Gill
Rohit
Pujara
Kohli (c)
Rahane
Pant (wk)
Jadeja
Shardul
Ishant
Siraj
Bumrah

Looking at weather forecast I also think this is going to be our team. Shardul can replace Ashwin as conditions won't be spin friendly.

But difficult to pick 2 among Ishant, Shami and Siraj.
Whatever Kohli picks, he'll face lot of criticism for leaving 3rd seamer if India loses.
 
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A prize money of USD 1.6 million must be a good incentive. This could do good for test matches. Does anyone know how it compares to the prize money offered in other ICC tournaments? ODI world cup, T20 world cup, championship trophy, Asia cup etc.

$ 10 million prize pot for ICC Men's Cricket World Cup 2019
Winner - $ 4 million
Runner-up - $ 2 million
Winner of Each League Stage Match - $ 40,000


The winners of Men’s ICC T20 World Cup 2021 will take home $3.5 million and runners-up to pocket $1.5 million .

Hmmm.... Just out of curiosity, which format is considered the premier format again?
 
Any idea who the commentators are gonna be?

I read that Dinesh Karthik and Gavaskar are there for the Indian representation, Simon Doull for the Kiwi presence and Nass and Athers as the neutral English contingent. Pretty good team I have to say, if you can ignore Gavaskar's (grand) dad jokes. Really hoping we get the full Sky feed here in India, I don't want to hear Lakshman Sivaramakrishnan and Akash Chopra talking from a Mumbai studio for the final.

Might as well search for a Sky link for its great pre and post match analysis shows instead of watching cringeworthy cartoons of Kohli and Kane running towards the trophy on Star sports.

Apparently, it's:

Guha
Gavaskar
Karthik
Doull
McMillan
Bishop
Sangakkara
Atherton
Hussain
 
A world test championship where India refuse to play Pakistan because of their bull political excuses, where the big 4 nations India, Australia, England and New Zealand monopolise by playing against each other regularly it’s a big sham, hopefully New Zealand will humiliate India and give them the thrashing they deserve!
 
Everything is against India.

Less preparation,

Less experience in conditions,

Lower ranked,

Less fans in ground,

Only true spirit of cornered tigers can save us.

I would like to formally request PM of Pakistan to give a pep talk to Team India so this test can remain competitive and underdog India have a chance.

Less preparation excuse is the funniest out of all the excuses mentioned above. :inti
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Zealand pacer Trent Boult is "eager to play a big part" in the inaugural ICC <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WTC21?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WTC21</a> Final &#55357;&#56384; <a href="https://t.co/EdyNg3VGuH">pic.twitter.com/EdyNg3VGuH</a></p>— ICC (@ICC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1404725477697363969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Its a big game and I am looking forward to it. India with a huge population and financial might against a county of 5million people with cricket not even their No.1 sport.

NZ are already winners to be able to get into the test championship final. Its one thing doing well in LOIs but to be able to do it in tests with such small population and cricket not even No.1 sport is a massive achievement. India has cities twice the population of NZ.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Zealand pacer Trent Boult is "eager to play a big part" in the inaugural ICC <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WTC21?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WTC21</a> Final &#55357;&#56384; <a href="https://t.co/EdyNg3VGuH">pic.twitter.com/EdyNg3VGuH</a></p>— ICC (@ICC) <a href="https://twitter.com/ICC/status/1404725477697363969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 15, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nice to see Santner still carries the CSK suitcase lol.
 
I think Kohli's gonna pull a rabit out of his hat come friday. I can see a surprise Shardul selection in the final, and it will likely be at the cost of Ashwin. You heard it here first.

This is not the first time I heard this, if the conditions are overcast then picking Shardul over Ashwin makes sense but then I think Ashwin will be really ****** off if he isn't picked in the finals of the only format he plays.
 
A world test championship where India refuse to play Pakistan because of their bull political excuses, where the big 4 nations India, Australia, England and New Zealand monopolise by playing against each other regularly it’s a big sham, hopefully New Zealand will humiliate India and give them the thrashing they deserve!

Okay. So New Zealand is part of big 4 who monopolised game by playing against each other.
Still you are rooting for one of the big 4 to humiliate another team of big 4?

Interesting!!
 
^Jadeja's career batting average is better than World No1 Williamson's in 4 countries: England, Australia, India and SriLanka!!!! :ishant

[MENTION=154259]mastimasti[/MENTION] Why do NZ keep playing Kane I wonder? He can't even bowl or field anywhere close to Jadeja. :rp

If you think Jadeja is a better player than Kane, ok well done to you :smith
 
Unfortunately for India, the forecast doesn't change very much ten days out. Here is the latest forecast that also covers June 22nd.

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A draw may happen due to the rain, though I think it would be tough for Indian batsmen to survive long in these conditions. There is also a reserve day to make up for time lost due to rain. Indian batsmen will have to show they can bat in English conditions, which I think is a fair requirement for them if they want to be World Champions.

I just looked at the latest forecast and it is still showers across 5 days of cricket. Is the reserve day is a whole day is lost or to make up for a certain amount of time. That reserve day should be used imo.

I agree, if our team is to show it truly is the world's best, then one of the objectives that needs completing is winning in England and in this case, against the best seam attack in the world.
 
I just looked at the latest forecast and it is still showers across 5 days of cricket. Is the reserve day is a whole day is lost or to make up for a certain amount of time. That reserve day should be used imo.

I agree, if our team is to show it truly is the world's best, then one of the objectives that needs completing is winning in England and in this case, against the best seam attack in the world.

The reserve day is tied to the concept of net playing time across 5 days (30 hours in total), if there is a shortfall in the number of actual hours of play due to bad weather then the reserve day will be utilized to make up the balance.
 
The reserve day is tied to the concept of net playing time across 5 days (30 hours in total), if there is a shortfall in the number of actual hours of play due to bad weather then the reserve day will be utilized to make up the balance.

Erm...the reserve day may not be used .I remember there used to be reserve days for some ODI series back in the day.
 
Erm...the reserve day may not be used .I remember there used to be reserve days for some ODI series back in the day.

It will be used to make up time if needed.

So in case of any time lost is lost in first five days, this test becomes 6-day test. For example if 60 oves from day three are lost to English summer them day four and 5 will have extra half an hour and remaining lost will be played on day 6.
 
It will be used to make up time if needed.

So in case of any time lost is lost in first five days, this test becomes 6-day test. For example if 60 oves from day three are lost to English summer them day four and 5 will have extra half an hour and remaining lost will be played on day 6.

Right makes sense! Issue is possible rain on day 6 haha

Edit: I want to add that to decide something such as the WTC, which the ICC claims is prestigious and important, they really should have had better measures in place. It would have made sense to play a 3 test series rather than a one off test match.
 
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Check the Met Office for weather forecasts - that's usually the most reliable.
 
Right makes sense! Issue is possible rain on day 6 haha

Edit: I want to add that to decide something such as the WTC, which the ICC claims is prestigious and important, they really should have had better measures in place. It would have made sense to play a 3 test series rather than a one off test match.

ICC claims no time for test final per 2 yeas but has scheduled one LO world event per year in future.

They just don't want to admit that WTC final may be net loss to them despite India qualifying.
 
Its a big game and I am looking forward to it. India with a huge population and financial might against a county of 5million people with cricket not even their No.1 sport.

NZ are already winners to be able to get into the test championship final. Its one thing doing well in LOIs but to be able to do it in tests with such small population and cricket not even No.1 sport is a massive achievement. India has cities twice the population of NZ.

LOL This guy :))

If only the actual Kiwi's were as patriotic to NZ like Pakistanis like you were to NZ (Oh wait I forgot, the opponent is India).

I sense a bit of nervousness in your post, you feel India is going to win I sense.

Do not worry, have some faith, I honestly do feel NZ should escape with a win if they get a full test match..
 
ICC announces star-studded commentary panel for WTC final

The International Cricket Council (ICC) on Tuesday announced a star-studded commentary panel for the high-profile ICC World Test Championship final between India and New Zealand at the Ageas Bowl in Southampton starting on Friday.
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MUMBAI: The (ICC) on Tuesday announced a starstudded commentary panel for the high-profile ICC World Test Championship final between India and New Zealand at the Ageas Bowl in Southampton starting on Friday.
Apart from two Indians- Sunil Gavaskar and Dinesh Karthik-the panel includes Sri Lankan legend Kumar Sangakkara, Nasse Hussain, Simon Doull, Isa Guha, Ian Bishop and Michael Atherton.

In an ICC release, was quoted as saying: "The inaugural is the much-anticipated pinnacle event in , and I am looking forward to an exciting match between India and New Zealand. There is so much at stake here, both teams look evenly matched and what makes it even more interesting is that they are going to be playing at a neutral venue. It's an honour to work as a broadcaster on this historic event."

McMillan said: "The inaugural World Test Championship is an exciting platform for giving that much-needed context to Test cricket. Teams around the world have worked hard through the last two years to earn their place in the WTC Final. Both India and New Zealand deserve to be here. I am excited to be calling the game with some of the best in the business and watching some classic Test cricket."

Guha said: "A contest between two evenly poised teams, at an event which is one of its kind - the inaugural Men's World Test Championship Final promises to be a classic. It is also the first ever time that we will have a champion in the Test cricket International Cricket Council format. I am eagerly looking forward to calling this game."

Hussain said: "We have seen some fantastic Test cricket being played in the last two years as part of the World Test Championship, some newer heroes of the game have emerged and the Test format has seen increased interest across the globe, especially over the last few months. The inaugural WTC final will be an exciting contest between two very worthy opponents. I am looking forward to this contest."

Sangakkara said: "India and New Zealand have both earned their place in the World Test Championship Final. I am looking forward to some glorious cricket from both sides and wish the teams the very best in this highly anticipated tournament finale."

The ICC also announced the broadcast and digital distribution plans for the match.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/icc-world-test-championship/icc-announces-star-studded-commentary-panel-for-wtc-final/articleshow/83538033.cms
 
Indian 15 member squad for the WTC final:

Kohli (C), Rahane, Rohit, Gill, Pujara, Pant, Jadeja, Ashwin, Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Siraj, Saha, Umesh Yadav, Vihari.

No place for Mayank Agarwal, Shardul Thakur, KL Rahul in the 15 member squad for Indian team in the WTC final.
 
Should have put some respect on Mayank's name for the 2 double centuries that he scored in this WTC but whatever!
 
Should have put some respect on Mayank's name for the 2 double centuries that he scored in this WTC but whatever!

Nope. He has changed his technique mid WTC. Has gone Manish panday way of batting. Sacrificing sound batting for more range and power for t20's. If Mayank doesn't change it back or improve it somehow he will quickly become an IPL only player.
 
Nope. He has changed his technique mid WTC. Has gone Manish panday way of batting. Sacrificing sound batting for more range and power for t20's. If Mayank doesn't change it back or improve it somehow he will quickly become an IPL only player.

This is true.
He changed his technic.
 
Indian 15 member squad for the WTC final:

Kohli (C), Rahane, Rohit, Gill, Pujara, Pant, Jadeja, Ashwin, Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Siraj, Saha, Umesh Yadav, Vihari.

No place for Mayank Agarwal, Shardul Thakur, KL Rahul in the 15 member squad for Indian team in the WTC final.
Knew it. Rahul and Thakur were unnecessarily hyped to be included in final XI.
 
Knew it. Rahul and Thakur were unnecessarily hyped to be included in final XI.

Thakur I understand. He did well in Australia and can hold a bat unlike rest of our seamers. Could have played if it was Lords 2018 type pitch and conditions.

But who the hell is hyping KL? His bat only touches red ball on edges these days.
 
Looks like Rahul is far away from Indian test team when even a no hoper like Vihari is picked ahead of him.
 
Thakur I understand. He did well in Australia and can hold a bat unlike rest of our seamers. Could have played if it was Lords 2018 type pitch and conditions.

But who the hell is hyping KL? His bat only touches red ball on edges these days.
Lol, I think it was Ab fan.
 
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A Test Match
Two quality teams
Two top, yet distinctive personality captains
WTC Final
In England
Nass, Bishop & Atherton as commentators
Dukes Red Cherry
English Weather
Sky Coverage

Can it get better than this 🤤
 
Test format is obviously premier format but white ball tournaments generates more money.

Then how is test cricket premier format if it’s not generating revenue as LOIs? They are not even attracting as many eyeballs as local premier league matches. What does that tell you?
 
A world test championship where India refuse to play Pakistan because of their bull political excuses, where the big 4 nations India, Australia, England and New Zealand monopolise by playing against each other regularly it’s a big sham, hopefully New Zealand will humiliate India and give them the thrashing they deserve!

WTC is a joke of a format. Every nation should play equal number of matches both home and away to make it interesting which means England must play Zim and India with Pakistan.
Right now we have NZ made their way to Final by mostly winning at home will most likely win the whole thing due to favourable conditions in final. ICC must go back to drawing board and then evaluate their failures. We can’t have some teams playing 2 test match series while some play 5. It just make no sense whatsoever

Great Idea to give some meaning to test series but execution have been complete joke.
 
I will write strongly worded email to Star if we get some chomu in Mumbai office commenting.

Star's reply:

You sure you don't want insightful analysis from our panel of experts in Akash Chopra, Laxman Sivaramakrishnan and Deepdas Gupta sir?
 
I agree. Every team should play exactly the same number of matches (home and away) for it to be fair. Also, the opposition mattes. A win against lower ranked team should give you fewer points than a win against a higher ranked team.

Also, something needs to be done regarding the India-Pakistan test series. I mean, how long will we carry on with this awkwardness and hostility? Surely, there should be a path to normalcy between the two countries.


WTC is a joke of a format. Every nation should play equal number of matches both home and away to make it interesting which means England must play Zim and India with Pakistan.
Right now we have NZ made their way to Final by mostly winning at home will most likely win the whole thing due to favourable conditions in final. ICC must go back to drawing board and then evaluate their failures. We can’t have some teams playing 2 test match series while some play 5. It just make no sense whatsoever

Great Idea to give some meaning to test series but execution have been complete joke.
 
WTC is a joke of a format. Every nation should play equal number of matches both home and away to make it interesting which means England must play Zim and India with Pakistan.
Right now we have NZ made their way to Final by mostly winning at home will most likely win the whole thing due to favourable conditions in final. ICC must go back to drawing board and then evaluate their failures. We can’t have some teams playing 2 test match series while some play 5. It just make no sense whatsoever

Great Idea to give some meaning to test series but execution have been complete joke.

You are right about teams playing equal number of matches both home and away against each opposition. This needs to be improved in the next cycle. :inti
 
When New Zealand lost the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2019, Ross Taylor thought he might have missed his last chance at winning a major final.

Two years later, the Black Caps batsman is back in England, looking to make amends after the Super Over loss at Lord’s as New Zealand and India prepare to face off in the ICC World Test Championship Final in Southampton.

And the 37-year-old admits that had he come out on the right side of that dramatic finale, there is a very good chance he would have called it a day.

He said: “It was disappointing to have lost that match at Lord’s a couple of years ago. When you lose and you’re at the age that I was, you think that might be the last time I ever get to play a World Cup final, so it’s nice for me to be here.

“If we had won that game, I might have retired after that, so I’m glad that I didn’t and that I’m here today.

“I just think it’s really exciting to be here, the whole New Zealand side are really excited, it’s going to be a great occasion, playing against India. We’ve only been number one for a few weeks, they have been number one for five or six years so they are going to be a really hard opposition to play against, but we’re looking forward to that.”

While Taylor was considering retirement in 2019, one man who will be calling time on his Test career after the Final is New Zealand wicket-keeper BJ Watling.

The 35-year-old made his Test debut back in 2009 and is set to make his 75th and final appearance for New Zealand in the longest format of the game, earning high praise from his coach Gary Stead.

Stead said: “BJ is a fantastic player, a great team man. He’s turned himself into, I think, one of the best keeper-batsmen in the world over the past 10 years of him playing. Let’s also remember he was a manufactured keeper as such, it wasn’t his first thing to do. The way he’s developed himself and continued to look to get better over that period of time is pretty amazing.

“I don’t think we as a team will realise how much we’ll miss BJ in the dressing room and in the role he is in until he’s not there. He’s a quiet individual but when he speaks, people listen. He’s very popular among the whole team. He will be a sad loss for us but we want to celebrate in style hopefully, and send him out on the right note.”

Pujara looking forward to WTC Final: For India batsman Cheteshwar Pujara, a Test specialist, the ICC World Test Championship offers a rare opportunity to play in a major final.

And the 33-year-old is relishing the opportunity as India ramp up their preparations following an inter-squad warm-up match.

He said: “Personally, it means a lot to me. Playing one format, the Test format, this is the first time we are playing the World Test Championship Finals. As a team we have worked over a period of time, you play so many series at home and away from home. To be at the top requires a lot of hard work.

“It’s like playing a World Cup final in any format. This is the first time in the Test format, but playing an ODI World Cup final or even a T20 World Cup final, it’s very similar to that. Personally, I’m looking forward to it, and as a team we are looking forward to it.

“It will be challenging but we have been through a lot of preparation recently. The time we have had here, in the last nine or 10 days, we have tried to use it to the fullest. As a team, we are very well-prepared. We have the experience, most of the guys have played in England in the past, so I think we are up for the challenge, so we are very confident.”

The squads:

India: Virat Kohli (captain), Rohit Sharma, Shubman Gill, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane, Hanuma Vihari, Rishabh Pant, Wriddhiman Saha, Ravichandran Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Jasprit Bumrah, Ishant Sharma, Mohammad Shami, Md Siraj, Umesh Yadav.

New Zealand: Kane Williamson (captain), Tom Blundell, Trent Boult, Devon Conway, Colin de Grandhomme, Matt Henry, Kyle Jamieson, Tom Latham, Henry Nicholls, Ajaz Patel, Tim Southee, Ross Taylor, Neil Wagner, BJ Watling, Will Young.
 
Sachin Tendulkar (in Sports Today) said "No opposition would like to see the face of Rishabh Pant, he can take the game away, we shouldn't criticize the way a player getting out, all players are different, Pant will be getting out while playing a big shot - that is how he plays.
 
WTC format allows every team to play equal home and away matches. This time around the format was same but unfortunately it was not possible for all teams to play all home and away matches due to unforeseen circumstances (COVID). This will not be the case always.

Whatever format or teams that is put in front of you home and away, you gotta play and win to make it to WTC Final. It is same rule as it is with 50-over and 20-over world tournament. There is no need to change anything.

I am personally enjoying the WTC event and glad to see that a lot of Indian cricketers are treating it like a World Cup final. It will be a pinnacle moment in the game when few days later on 18 June, the inaugral WTC finals will start. Hopefully, it completely takes over the rubbish T20 tournaments that happen every two year, a tournament in which players like Russell and Pandya are regarded as greater players than Smith, Williamson, Babar and Root.
 
Still they picked him in 15 member squad over Mayank.

It is because Vihari is technically very solid with a tight defense( a must in England conditions) and can bat at any position, opening or middle order. His selection also means he is better prepared for coming test series in England and might get a go ahead of Mayank. For England conditions, he is one of the better options we have.

He is a very good test batsman and will carry forward this Indian test team along with KL Rahul once Kohli, Pujara and Rahane retires.
 
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It is because Vihari is technically very solid with a tight defense( a must in England conditions) and can bat at any position, opening or middle order. His selection also means he is better prepared for coming test series in England and might get a go ahead of Mayank. For England conditions, he is one of the better options we have.

He is a very good test batsman and will carry forward this Indian test team along with KL Rahul once Kohli, Pujara and Rahane retires.

AB bhai, you gotta realise that KL as test batter isn't happening right now. Maybe if he stops driving away from body with just hands.
 
AB bhai, you gotta realise that KL as test batter isn't happening right now. Maybe if he stops driving away from body with just hands.

I was talking about Vihari. He is a very good test batsman and has a very good defense. The discipline that he showed in that match saving knock he played in Sydney was exceptional. He looked so much assured that day even though he was carrying an injury, he could have batted all day if asked to. He has the skills, discipline and mental resilience to tackle the England conditions.
 
I was talking about Vihari. He is a very good test batsman and has a very good defense. The discipline that he showed in that match saving knock he played in Sydney was exceptional. He looked so much assured that day even though he was carrying an injury, he could have batted all day if asked to. He has the skills, discipline and mental resilience to tackle the England conditions.

I rate vihari.

I was referring to your last para in which you said,

"carry forward this Indian test team along with KL Rahul once Kohli, Pujara and Rahane retires."
 
I am not so confident about Vihari. He is yet to play a big innings. All he does is make a gritty 30-40. I don't think he is anywhere near the class of Laxman, who he idolises. His defence against swing and seam is yet to be seen. If I were to pick between him and Jadeja, I would pick Jadeja.

I was talking about Vihari. He is a very good test batsman and has a very good defense. The discipline that he showed in that match saving knock he played in Sydney was exceptional. He looked so much assured that day even though he was carrying an injury, he could have batted all day if asked to. He has the skills, discipline and mental resilience to tackle the England conditions.
 
I rate vihari.

I was referring to your last para in which you said,

"carry forward this Indian test team along with KL Rahul once Kohli, Pujara and Rahane retires."

I think KL will do much better if we play him as a middle order batsman. He will be a pivotal part of Indian team post Kohli, Pujara and Rohit's decline.

His leadership experience through these red ball warm-ups or IPL means that he is seen as next contender for India's captaincy after Virat Kohli across formats. Obviously, a lot will depend on his batting form but I think he has regained the discipline and focus that he lost around 2018.
 
I think KL will do much better if we play him as a middle order batsman. He will be a pivotal part of Indian team post Kohli, Pujara and Rohit's decline.

His leadership experience through these red ball warm-ups or IPL means that he is seen as next contender for India's captaincy after Virat Kohli across formats. Obviously, a lot will depend on his batting form but I think he has regained the discipline and focus that he lost around 2018.

Don't read too much into practice match captaincy.

Pant and Gill have better chance of succeeding Kaptaan clueless.
 
I am not so confident about Vihari. He is yet to play a big innings. All he does is make a gritty 30-40. I don't think he is anywhere near the class of Laxman, who he idolises. His defence against swing and seam is yet to be seen. If I were to pick between him and Jadeja, I would pick Jadeja.

Jadeja is the MVP of current Indian team. He is as important to the Indian team as Kohli, Ashwin, Bumrah and Pujara are. But if we are looking at the options that we have for openers, then Vihari is one we can look for because others are not as convincing considering the England condition and their weakness vs incoming deliveries.

In 2018 on his debut in England, he scored a very assured 50 and his defense Vs swing and seam looked pretty good.
 
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Ok, if it is for the opener's position, then yes, he could be a contender if one of Rohit/Gill fails. Both of them are not great against seam and swing, so Vihari might fancy a chance to open the innings during the tour.

But everyone's having Vihari in their XI as no.6 followed by Pant, Ashwin, Bumrah, Shami and Ishant. So in a way, Vihari and Jadeja are competing for that no.6 position. In which case, I will go with Jadeja, just for his batting alone.

Jadeja is the MVP of current Indian team. He is as important to the Indian team as Kohli, Ashwin, Bumrah and Pujara are. But if we are looking at the options that we have for openers, then Vihari is one we can look for because others are not as convincing considering the England condition and their weakness vs incoming deliveries.

In 2018 on his debut in England, he scored a very assured 50 and his defense Vs swing and seam looked pretty good.
 
According to Met Office (which is the most reliable source), only day 1 is in any real danger of a complete washout. Day 3 looks iffy and the others (including the reserve day) look promising.

I think we'll most definitely have a result.
 
The key battles to shape the WTC Final
World Test Championship

As India and New Zealand fight for the World Test Championship, there are a number of key individual match-ups that could well be the difference in Southampton.

Virat Kohli vs Kane Williamson

Aside from the toss, the two captains are unlikely to ever be pitted against one another on the field of play in a personal battle. But how each fare in the contest will be pivotal to their side’s hopes.

As captains and among the batters of their generation, Williamson and Kohli hold more responsibility than most over where the Test mace is headed at the end of the five days’ play in Southampton.

Williamson goes into the match looking to shake off an elbow injury and a quiet start to his tour of England but sitting atop the ICC Test batting rankings. His own surge in form fuelled the Black Caps’ charge to the final, scoring 639 runs at 159.75 across three Tests in 2020/21, with two double centuries and a ton.

Kohli heads into the match sitting at fifth on the ICC Test batting standings and looking to notch his first century in the format since 2019. While it has been a somewhat lean run for the Indian captain, he has come up with several key performances for the team in that time.

In Australia, his half-century at Adelaide Oval looked set to shape the match until an unfortunate run out, while against England his 62 at Chennai was crucial to turning the series around. He averaged 59.3 and scored two centuries on his last Test tour of England and will be hoping that bodes well going into the final.

As captains, both Williamson and Kohli are proponents of attacking, positive cricket and we can expect both to push for victory rather than play for a draw.

Ajinkya Rahane vs Tim Southee

Through the course of the World Test Championship, Ajinkya Rahane has been India’s highest run-scorer and Tim Southee New Zealand’s greatest wicket-taker.

Both are certain starters in the final and having served such vital roles for their teams in the road there, will have plenty resting on their shoulders.

Southee has taken 51 wickets at 20.66 in the WTC, with three five-wicket hauls along the way, while also snaring a six-for (6/43) in his most recent Test outing against England. The veteran seamer has typically thrived against India, averaging 24.46 against the Asian powerhouse, nearly four runs fewer than his career average of 28.31.

Rahane has scored 1095 runs at 43.80 this WTC cycle, notching three centuries and six half-centuries across 17 matches. Those three tons have been hugely important too, setting up India’s first win of the campaign against the West Indies, before starring against South Africa and then igniting India’s Border-Gavaskar comeback with an unforgettable MCG ton.

Rohit Sharma vs Neil Wagner

Rohit Sharma has much more to his game than the pull shot and the same goes for Neil Wagner and the short ball. Nevertheless, the battle between two of the finest exponents of each of those skills looks a seriously appetising one on paper.

Mohammad Rizwan summated Wagner best when he said: “He’s mad. He’s a different guy. His attitude is everything, his aggression is very beautiful.” The Pakistani keeper was effusive in his praise of the Kiwi bowler in late 2020 after Wagner had ignored two broken toes to bowl the most overs of any member of the attack in a New Zealand victory over Pakistan. It was simply the latest example of the tough as nails quick digging deep for his team. That injury limited Wagner to just seven WTC Tests but he still made his presence felt, taking 32 wickets at 22.50. If the going gets tough for New Zealand at Southampton, expect Wagner to be the first man Williamson turns to.

Like Wagner, Sharma also missed chunks of the WTC through injury, sitting out six of India’s 17 matches. Like Wagner, he was still one of their most influential players and among just six players globally to make more than 1000 runs in the cycle. Averaging 64.37 since moving to the top of the order, Sharma has been comfortably the form opener in the WTC.

Tom Latham vs Jasprit Bumrah

While Indian spearhead Bumrah is yet to dismiss the Black Caps opener across the two Tests they have played against each other, Bumrah can look to two things for encouragement - his record in England, and that Stuart Broad, a similar bowling match-up, trapped Latham lbw twice in their recent series.

Challenging both edges with his new ball exploits, Bumrah has taken 14 wickets at 25.92 in Test matches held in England and will be entrusted to begin the opposition rot.

Twenty-nine-year-old Latham has the chance to cement himself further as one of New Zealand’s great Test openers, and is currently 12 runs shy of 4000 runs at the top of the order for his country, at an average of 42.42. He will join John Wright (5260 at 38.11) as the only Kiwis to pass 4000 runs opening the batting and needs one more century to join Wright on 12 hundreds in the position. A century in the final would be Latham’s first in England or against India.

A key battle at the top of New Zealand’s innings, the winner of this particular match-up could set the tone for the rest of the WTC Final.

Ross Taylor vs Ishant Sharma

Two wily 100-Test veterans go toe-to-toe in Southampton, with 37-year-old Ross Taylor (107) and 32-year-old Ishant Sharma (101) keen to draw on all their experience in the WTC Final.

Ishant has the upper hand when the two have crossed paths, dismissing the Black Caps middle order batter four times in just six Test matches. Ishant also has happy memories of Test cricket in England, claiming 18 wickets at 24.27 in their last series there, back in 2018.

Ishant has been a strong contributor in India’s consistent pace battery across the WTC, claiming 36 wickets across 11 matches and providing no respite for batting orders in the period. Only Ravichandran Ashwin has claimed more WTC wickets so far for India.

Recently passing Stephen Fleming as New Zealand’s leading run-scorer in Test cricket, Taylor has 650 Test runs at 40.62 to his name in England, with his only century in England (154* at Old Trafford) coming over 13 years ago. Despite this, he comes into the Final with momentum, playing himself into form with a confident 80 to set up a healthy first innings lead in the second Test against England, which New Zealand ultimately capitalised on to claim a series victory.

The fourth highest run-scorer for New Zealand in the WTC cycle (469 runs at 31.26), a strong Taylor performance could give the Black Caps an edge in what will be a nervy occasion.

Rishabh Pant vs BJ Watling

Rarely has a competition final had two wicket-keepers with such contrasting styles. Left-hander Rishabh Pant with his swashbuckling, brash approach, versus BJ Watling, the steady, traditional player who would almost prefer to hide in plain sight.

While just three dismissals separate the pair (Watling 43, Pant 40), that’s where the similarities end.

With the bat, Pant has been a revelation during the World Test Championship, amassing 662 runs at 41.37, with his strike rate of 69.17 the highest among all players with at least 400 runs in the competition. In a purple patch in 2021, his series-winning 89 not out at the Gabba against Australia was complemented by a 118-ball 101 in Ahmedabad, all while countering a challenging new surface.

Overcoming back struggles to be ready for New Zealand’s assault, Watling will reclaim the gloves from Tom Blundell, and his measured approach with the bat has been effective so far in English conditions. He has compiled 300 runs at an average of 50 across eight Test innings in the country.

Watling’s strike rate of 40.88 in the World Test Championship is a stark contrast to Pant’s, and while averaging a tick under 30 in the competition, he has played a part in blunting opposition attacks. Consecutive knocks of 77 and 105 not out against Sri Lanka in August 2019 highlighted his virtues, with his double century against England (outside the WTC) in New Zealand’s following series only underlying his credentials.

The numbers may suggest that Pant’s approach has been the more effective of the pair to this point, though it could be the measure of Watling that pulls the Black Caps through.

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I am looking forward to Rahane and Ishant Sharma playing a major role for India on these grounds. Well of course that mountain load of expectation from Kohli and Williamson always there.
 
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None of our batsmen average 30 in England except Kohli who averages 36, far cry from the days of fab-4!
 
Paine thinks we'll win provided we play at our level. As per him, Kiwis beat England only because they were depleted.
 
Rohit's major battle will be against Trent Boult and Tim Southee, not Neil Wagner.
 
IND vs NZ: BlackCaps reveal first pic of special ball that will be used to play WTC final

The BlackCaps on Tuesday, revealed the first look of the special ball that will be used in the WTC final between India and New Zealand.

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The first edition of the World Test Championship proved to be a huge success, with former pundits and players giving a thumbs up to the format that will determine the ultimate strong team of Test matches in a few days' time. Hence, it was pretty obvious that the setting and the build-up to WTC final between India and New Zealand is expected to be an equally grand affair.

If the special jerseys weren't a gesture strong enough, the BlackCaps on Tuesday, revealed the first look of the ball that will be used in the summit clash. The 'red cherry' has 'ICC WTC Final 2021 India vs New Zealand' written on it, accompanied by the ICC logo. Besides the image of the ball, The BlackCaps also revealed the jersey which New Zealand would be sporting during the match.
 
IND vs NZ: BlackCaps reveal first pic of special ball that will be used to play WTC final

The BlackCaps on Tuesday, revealed the first look of the special ball that will be used in the WTC final between India and New Zealand.

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The first edition of the World Test Championship proved to be a huge success, with former pundits and players giving a thumbs up to the format that will determine the ultimate strong team of Test matches in a few days' time. Hence, it was pretty obvious that the setting and the build-up to WTC final between India and New Zealand is expected to be an equally grand affair.

If the special jerseys weren't a gesture strong enough, the BlackCaps on Tuesday, revealed the first look of the ball that will be used in the summit clash. The 'red cherry' has 'ICC WTC Final 2021 India vs New Zealand' written on it, accompanied by the ICC logo. Besides the image of the ball, The BlackCaps also revealed the jersey which New Zealand would be sporting during the match.

Why is it cracked unevenly in the middle?
 

So Rohit and Gillo are the openers.
Does not fill me with much confidence. In fact, none at all.
The middle order has to put in a big shift and do most of the lifting.
Gill has a tailor made game for the bouncy aus - Saf wickets. But against quality seam and swing - i just hope for the best against Boult & co....
Hitman has to go big.
Any news on kane williamson?
Match should be good
Go Indiaaaaaa:salute
 
Anybody getting serious Lords vibes from the weather forecast?

First day had terrible weather and got washed out. Second day England won the toss and sent in India to bat under dark overcast skies, and then bundled them out for 105. Third day sun shone and despite early wobble, Woakes made a ton for England.

The first day has terrible weather forecast, second day sun is expected to shine, third day rain is expected, 4th and 5th days play is expected with some intermittent rains.

Would Indian fans be confident of India batting in the first day with that weather forecast if, and it's a big if, play happens on the opening day?
 
Anybody getting serious Lords vibes from the weather forecast?

First day had terrible weather and got washed out. Second day England won the toss and sent in India to bat under dark overcast skies, and then bundled them out for 105. Third day sun shone and despite early wobble, Woakes made a ton for England.

The first day has terrible weather forecast, second day sun is expected to shine, third day rain is expected, 4th and 5th days play is expected with some intermittent rains.

Would Indian fans be confident of India batting in the first day with that weather forecast if, and it's a big if, play happens on the opening day?

I wouldn't trust our batsmen to put on their pants on the right way on a rainy and cloudy English summer day.

I have all confidence that they will manage at least one collapse in the match.
 
I wouldn't trust our batsmen to put on their pants on the right way on a rainy and cloudy English summer day.

I have all confidence that they will manage at least one collapse in the match.

I reckon this will be one of those matches where it'll be a good toss to lose. Super V will probably think it's cowardly to opt to bowl first, I mean he elected to bat first on that Wanderers wicket. We did win that test but the point is I don't think Virat believes in bowling first and would ask his batsmen to front up to the challenge of batting in overcast conditions.

The Kiwis might win the toss and send us to bat first, but they might also elect to bat first due to the challenge of potentially chasing a target in the last innings against Ashwin and Jadeja. I think I'll be less tensed if we bowl first than bat first though. We might well lose on the last day chasing a target like at Southampton 2 years back if we bowled first. But I fear we might lose the final in the first session of the first day if we batted first against Boult, Southee, Jamieson & co.
 
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