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1st Test, Lord's : England beat New Zealand by 124 runs

Would KP have been at ease batting right now? Unlikely. He was mediocre before getting dropped and is clearly over the hill. I don't see why Piers Morgan is acting like KP is the best batsman in the world right now.
 
Dig in ffs. As difficult as it is now, it'll surely help to overcome the opening spells by Boult and Southee to get your toes wet, then go on from there.
 
Slog said:
Lol Imagine Hafeez batting right now with the Swing and movement off the pitch Southee is getting

as [MENTION=134809]sensible-indian-fan[/MENTION] said. A mouse has a better chance of escaping from 50 hungry cats or something along those line :))
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Oh god. Well we'll find out next year !
 
honeybadger said:
Maybe I'm overestimating Professor. I'm sure he will find a way, he always does.
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you talk as if he has a 50 avg

he averages 14 in NZ and 11 in SA

Eng he has only played one inning so not enough sample
 
Whats up with Macca changing field every other bowl?
 
Why don't see any bouncers/ chin music from either side??
 
Slog said:
you talk as if he has a 50 avg

he averages 14 in NZ and 11 in SA

Eng he has only played one inning so not enough sample
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You completely missed my point. Like I said, I overestimated Hafeez. He will most certainly find a way to do worse than 1,0 of Gary Ballance.
 
honeybadger said:
You completely missed my point. Like I said, I overestimated Hafeez. He will most certainly find a way to do worse than 1,0 of Gary Ballance.
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haha ok

you said 'Im sure he will find a way, he always does.'

I thought you meant he finds a way to score big runs which made me pretty confused.
 
Ball is clearly swinging.. Don't know what the hell happened when England was bowling!
 
Not surprised to see Ballance fail again. Limited player, quality bowlers will always have the wood on him.
 
Neferpitou said:
There is plenty of bounce available. Neither sides have bowlers who can exploit that bounce.
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Rashid should have been selected for this reason, he'd have gone for quiet a few but he'd have taken wickets.
 
No rain forecast after all, so we should still get 180 overs in.

If either Cook or Bell get set again tomorrow, I think it will be a draw. Else NZ should win some time on Monday.
 
I love watching Bell bat. Technical perfection, straight out of the MCC Coaching Manual.
 
leatherface58 said:
He is not bhaitastic enough for the association. :amla :moali
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He's making Progress Leathers

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Still not bhai enough I guess. He should shave off the stache and then the transformation will be complete.
 
Absolutely loved the bowling by Boult and Southee.

What a paradise England is for skilled strike bowlers. Reminded me of Amir's golden days!
 
Hawkeye said:
Absolutely loved the bowling by Boult and Southee.

What a paradise England is for skilled strike bowlers. Reminded me of Amir's golden days!
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Not any more. No seam, no spin, no bounce, nothing unless you get humid rising air.
 
A clean morning session and we should be able to win it.

Could conversely get blown away of course.
 
Mamoon said:
I love watching Bell bat. Technical perfection, straight out of the MCC Coaching Manual.
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Agreed, one of those strange players who always looks great but may not always go on to score big runs. In recent years at least. The most pleasant batsman to watch out of both teams.
 
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] won't like to hear this, but the Kevin Pietersen question isn't going to be put to bed as easily as Andrew "Melchett" Strauss had hoped.

Gary Ballance: 1 & 0
Ian Bell: 1 & 29

I think that Ballance is especially vulnerable. He still averages 55 in Tests, but on the basis of runs scored only against the popgun bowling attacks of India, Sri Lanka and the West Indies.

If you reduce his record to his performances against the other two teams that he has played, Australia and New Zealand, that average falls from 55.84 to 6.50.

That is one BIIIIIIIIIG drop.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you would be proud of cook right now because of the pace at which he playing? But i would take a BMac or Warner over this typical test opener who believe just on seeing of the ball and don't have any other gear, such inning can just delay the invitable but can't change it, because on such there will surely be a delivery which will be too good so in the end it's runs which matter on matter what, and from entertainment point of view as well whom would most people want to see a warner like batsman or cook like?
 
It seems my prediction was correct, a comfortable victory for NZ, just cant see eng holding out for another 3 and half sessions or even scoring minimum 430.

Poor batting performance, by tea all will be out.
 
Cook is playing ingeniously, in difficult conditions. Looks like he is back to his stodgy and stubborn best. Not sure how long he will last and/or if it's come too late, though.
 
Zeshan547 said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you would be proud of cook right now because of the pace at which he playing? But i would take a BMac or Warner over this typical test opener who believe just on seeing of the ball and don't have any other gear, such inning can just delay the invitable but can't change it, because on such there will surely be a delivery which will be too good so in the end it's runs which matter on matter what, and from entertainment point of view as well whom would most people want to see a warner like batsman or cook like?
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I am very pleasantly surprised with Alastair Cook today. I didn't think he could still perform to this level.

As Ian Botham has commentated, being dropped from ODIs has allowed him to regain his judgment on and just outside off-stump. It has given him a whole new lease of life. It has saved his career.

England have to bat until just after lunch tomorrow to save this Test. Quick runs are useless - they can only draw (or win) by occupying the crease for another 105 overs, for 145 overs in total.

So there is no "delaying the inevitable" - Cook is trying to build an innings to save the match.

David Warner has never, ever batted 200 balls in a Test innings - not once. England can only save this match if at least two of Cook, Root and the all-rounders bat out 200 balls. Otherwise they lose.
 
Morning everyone!

Just got back from a forty-mile cycle ride.

I see Dingdong didn't do much.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
It seems my prediction was correct, a comfortable victory for NZ, just cant see eng holding out for another 3 and half sessions or even scoring minimum 430.

Poor batting performance, by tea all will be out.
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Hold your horses, Nostradamus.
 
Robert said:
Morning everyone!

Just got back from a forty-mile cycle ride.

I see Dingdong didn't do much.
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You might as well jump back on the bike and go a further forty-miles. It's all about survival at the moment and scoring is a secondary thought.
 
i dont think eng will draw, not entirely convince with stoakes, i like this guy root but he cant pull them out of a big hole all the time.

Buttler and Ali are good odi players not test. Like i said 270-280 all out.
 
Robert said:
Morning everyone!

Just got back from a forty-mile cycle ride.

I see Dingdong didn't do much.
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I owe you an apology and a drink, Robert.

I didn't think that Cook was still capable of playing such an impregnable innings.

It's early days yet - he needs to bat another 40 overs. But if he can do that, this is shaping up to be the best innings in any form of cricket since FAF du Plessis' monumental effort at Adelaide. And he's doing it against a better attack in conditions supporting late swing.

It's a wonderful innings. But his job is only half-done.
 
Zeshan547 said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] you would be proud of cook right now because of the pace at which he playing? But i would take a BMac or Warner over this typical test opener who believe just on seeing of the ball and don't have any other gear, such inning can just delay the invitable but can't change it, because on such there will surely be a delivery which will be too good so in the end it's runs which matter on matter what, and from entertainment point of view as well whom would most people want to see a warner like batsman or cook like?
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Why just stop with Cook? Let's just replace the whole XI with Warners then.

Let me remind you something, Cook's strike rate in tests is 46 which is just 5-7 less than almost legends, which means he takes only 10-15 runs more than others to get a hundred. So please stop your hate.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] this is the difference between good and great captains, the way cook playing will earn a draw most probably but a warner like inning of let's say 150 of 180 balls mean england can take lead of 300 plus till stumps today and they can force a win most probably because both scoring 300 plus on this type of pitch on day 5 or playing out 90 overs will be extremely difficult, so i would like aggressive captain who can take risk of loss for sake of win, not safety first type and coward captains like cook.
 
Bell has been given loads of chances, i never saw Owais Shah get as much. He needs to be dropped.

I believe Root should play at 4.
 
Zeshan547 said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] this is the difference between good and great captains, the way cook playing will earn a draw most probably but a warner like inning of let's say 150 of 180 balls mean england can take lead of 300 plus till stumps today and they can force a win most probably because both scoring 300 plus on this type of pitch on day 5 or playing out 90 overs will be extremely difficult, so i would like aggressive captain who can take risk of loss for sake of win, not safety first type and coward captains like cook.
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You just don't understand cricket. The situation England are in atm, the draw should be their first priority. Stop hating. Cook is doing the right thing.
 
Zeshan547 said:
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] this is the difference between good and great captains, the way cook playing will earn a draw most probably but a warner like inning of let's say 150 of 180 balls mean england can take lead of 300 plus till stumps today and they can force a win most probably because both scoring 300 plus on this type of pitch on day 5 or playing out 90 overs will be extremely difficult, so i would like aggressive captain who can take risk of loss for sake of win, not safety first type and coward captains like cook.
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I understand what you're saying, but that just doesn't work in Test cricket when you are in this situation. For a start, Dave Warner has only ever once, in his entire life, lasted that many balls.

Secondly, the risk is of getting out doing so. He is the captain, he is expected to lead by example. If he played a high-risk Warner/McCullum stroke and got out he would be crucified in England.

Right now, England are effectively 22-3, but New Zealand have the added pressure of having to bat last with the footmarks cracking up and with England already having runs on the board.

This is really, really good Test cricket. It's a test of discipline and character and patience.

Boult and Cook and Root and Southee have all be superb today. It's gripping stuff.

And this is why Tests are so much richer than T20 and 50 over cricket. We have seen fast scoring on the first two days and disciplined attritional cricket yesterday and today. If one team wins it will be the one that has mastered every phase of the game the best.
 
Junaids said:
I owe you an apology and a drink, Robert.

I didn't think that Cook was still capable of playing such an impregnable innings.
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I reckoned he was just a bit burned out. Root seems to be helping him with tactics on the field too. Which beggars the question - why not make Root skipper and free Chef up to knock in big hundreds again?

Pint of some sort of craft ale please!
 
Great partnership so far. Absolutely crucial that we get another hour of it at least.
 
England vs New Zealand | First Test match | Lord's | 21-25 May 2015

One of these guys had to stick around if England want to make a match out of it. They still have the batsmen who scored more than half of their first innings score. Match is shipping our beautifully.
 
The pitch hasn't deteriorated much at all. Other than last year's game against India, the pitches in Lords haven't done a great deal for the bowlers usually. Its all about cloud cover.
 
I'm really happy for Cook. Getting his form back just before Ashes.
 
Robert said:
Morning everyone!

Just got back from a forty-mile cycle ride.

I see Dingdong didn't do much.
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That's impressive uncle robert, your're probably so much older me and I would give up after 10-20 miles.

Time for you to advocate a KP return, Ballance is turning out to be a bum against quality bowling.
 
Don't know how NZ are bearing a rubbish spinner in Craig! How can u select a spinner with an average of above 40 in FC cricket? Unable to understand this!
 
Very good from Cook and Root. Pitch seems to be like Nottingham during the Indian series. Pretty flat and somewhat dry. Craig's rubbish isn't helping. Sad thing is Sodhi wouldn't have been much better either.
 
shaz619 said:
That's impressive uncle robert, your're probably so much older me and I would give up after 10-20 miles.

Time for you to advocate a KP return, Ballance is turning out to be a bum against quality bowling.
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I don't understand this tbh. He faced Australia once and this is his first match vs NZ. Are judging him by two matches?
 
leatherface58 said:
Very good from Cook and Root. Pitch seems to be like Nottingham during the Indian series. Pretty flat and somewhat dry. Craig's rubbish isn't helping. Sad thing is Sodhi wouldn't have been much better either.
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Sodhi would've created a few chances.
 
What a phatta pitch, terrible to watch, flat track bullies making merry in this pathetic lords ground, last year srilanka played here, that time also its very flat, both lankan,poms ftbs feasts on it, better to watch some paint dry than poms ftbs feasting on terrible pitch
 
manick badsha said:
What a phatta pitch, terrible to watch, flat track bullies making merry in this pathetic lords ground, last year srilanka played here, that time also its very flat, both lankan,poms ftbs feasts on it, better to watch some paint dry than poms ftbs feasting on terrible pitch
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Flat pitches killing Test cricket everywhere. All is about making Test to last Five days and make money
 
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