4th Test, Day 4: Eng vs Pak updates

[b0wld]

ok this is bothering mee fo sometimes now.... in the ICC "so called" Laws it states tthat Test atches will hav neutral umpires (i.e. no umpire from host of visiting country will feature).. Darell hair is an Australian born who now hav a gotten the English citizenship that makes him ENGLISH...so how the heck is he officiating the test matches.... tats violation of the laws whic states that if "there is a breach in this law the whole test series (regarding u r winiing 5-0) will be awarded to the visiting team).... oh... there is a p.s. under this law...
"DOES NOT APPLY TT ENGLAND & AUSTRALIAN CRICET TEAMS"

 

[Gunner786]

5.40pmAt last there's an announcement over the tannoy for the crowds.

Meanwhile, Mike Atherton's opinions on Sky are scathing of Darrell Hair, saying his decision lacks any historical context and that they lacked common sense. "It's bound to inflame things. It would have been best to leave it to the end of the day. He's not a man to back down. He's a stubborn character, a strong character.. so even though Pakistan said they were willing to come back out [after the bails removal/apparent forfeiture] you could imagine him sitting in the dressing room refusing to come out."

 

[Easa]

ok this is bothering mee fo sometimes now.... in the ICC "so called" Laws it states tthat Test atches will hav neutral umpires (i.e. no umpire from host of visiting country will feature).. Darell hair is an Australian born who now hav a gotten the English citizenship that makes him ENGLISH...so how the heck is he officiating the test matches.... tats violation of the laws whic states that if "there is a breach in this law the whole test series (regarding u r winiing 5-0) will be awarded to the visiting team).... oh... there is a p.s. under this law...
"DOES NOT APPLY TT ENGLAND & AUSTRALIAN CRICET TEAMS"

This is what I have brought up time and time again.

 

[PapaBear]

Confirmation Hair is the umpire for ODI

http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/umpires-referees/appointments.html

 

[iZeeshan]

About the incident earlier he had this to say: "Nobody was consulted and nobody was told that something was wrong with the ball and they felt deeply aggrieved for the country and for the fans. They said that we want to register a protest and they felt that they could do it by just waiting a few minutes. And then we were ready to come out and we felt it was extraordinary that we were ready to come out and the umpires say they are not. It's very sad that this has come to pass."

He added further: "I hope the match can continue. It's bad light but even if we can continue for half an hour, that would be good."

Looking ahead, whether this would affect the one-dayers, Khan didn't say. "I don't know what's going to happen in the future. We have absolutely no complaint with the English board. We have very good relations and atmosphere, the spirit of this series has been excellent. If this match is abandoned it wont be because of the English board or the team it will be because of an incident that has been brought to the fore by the umpires."

Nasser Hussain added this: "The problem is the conflict with the boards and the ICC. This is an ICC matter. The ICC and the umpires are the ones that are supposed to be running this game of cricket. Who is in charge of this game?"

 

[iZeeshan]

Confirmation Hair is the umpire for ODI

http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/umpires-referees/appointments.html

yes but even after this?

 

[iZeeshan]

no more cricket playing today...

 

[Imran_The Man!]

from cricinfo :

No individual has been accused, by the way; Cricinfo have been told by sources inside the Pakistan camp.

 

[evertonfan]

Well i'm glad that England have nothing to do with this, but Pakistan have really jeapordised their ICC status by doing this.

 

[CricketJunoon]

MAN Shehreyar is F*** he is S*** saying stupid thing as the pak team was on protest..man where is his dignity..he was in the armed forces for God's sake... just say the truth

He is literaly pissing not only the viewvers...but also the izzat of Our players.... sala mushraff ki tarha bikkaa hua hay

I agree

 

[iZeeshan]

Well i'm glad that England have nothing to do with this, but Pakistan have really jeapordised their ICC status by doing this.

Hell you talking about?

You think we will lose our playing status?

 

[Billy]

Well i'm glad that England have nothing to do with this, but Pakistan have really jeapordised their ICC status by doing this.

The ICC have jeapordised their own status.

 

[Bilsher007]

MAN Shehreyar is F*** he is S*** saying stupid thing as the pak team was on protest..man where is his dignity..he was in the armed forces for God's sake... just say the truth

He is literaly pissing not only the viewvers...but also the izzat of Our players.... sala mushraff ki tarha bikkaa hua hay

Spot on brother, shehreyar khan like musharraf is a sell out idiot. He does'nt deserve his position and clearly shows it with his stupid comment. We not just hurt and dissappointed but we are fuming, furious and looking to spill blood. Shehreyar has no right to force pakistan team to come out and look like fools getting booed by the stupid oval crowd.

 

[CricketJunoon]

Botham said on Sky that maybe the match referee should over rule the decision and appoint new umpires intill this is decided

 

[shan]

Well i'm glad that England have nothing to do with this, but Pakistan have really jeapordised their ICC status by doing this.

get a life or die

 

[Oxy]

Well i'm glad that England have nothing to do with this, but Pakistan have really jeapordised their ICC status by doing this.

Well when Mike GAtting walked off with his team in 1987 (v Pak) - Eng didnt lose their test staus - in fact, they were rewarded with a 'hardship bonus' of £1000 (a lot in 1987)!

 

[evertonfan]

Hell you talking about?

You think we will lose our playing status?

No, I think that Pakistan were acting like spoiled children when they stayed in their dressing room. WHy on earth didn't they settle this after the match?

 

[CricketJunoon]

couldn't agree with you guys more there

 

[TaZ]

This is a diplomatic incident. Hair is showing himself as a racist. There is no evidence of ball tampering and as david lloyd said, Hair cannot award the game to england if pak are protesting. He MUST go and see the pak captain and confirm they are refusing to play and then award the game to england.

 

[TaZ]

This is a diplomatic incident. Hair is showing himself as a racist. There is no evidence of ball tampering and as david lloyd said, Hair cannot award the game to england if pak are protesting. He MUST go and see the pak captain and confirm they are refusing to play and then award the game to england. He did not

 

[Bilsher007]

The ICC have jeapordised their own status.

How the hell have pakistan jeapordised their status ????? The damn idiot hair is falsely accusing us of cheating and you are saying pakistan have jeapordised their icc status ????

 

[iZeeshan]

Because what happened was not right, and they shouldn't play because of the accusations.

 

[CricketJunoon]

No, I think that Pakistan were acting like spoiled children when they stayed in their dressing room. WHy on earth didn't they settle this after the match?

Pakistan should have walked off the very first time the ball was taken off as this is serious....an accusation of cheating....show proof or otherwise Pak agrees to be cheating......Protest was a wrong thing said by Shereyar....very bad interview....he should have been strong and not said stupid things here.....Weaklings

 

[Easa]

No, I think that Pakistan were acting like spoiled children when they stayed in their dressing room. WHy on earth didn't they settle this after the match?

Crap.

Hair had no proof whatsover to make these serious allegations.

 

[CricketJunoon]

No, I think that Pakistan were acting like spoiled children when they stayed in their dressing room. WHy on earth didn't they settle this after the match?

What you're saying is ridiculous.....I wish you could see Sky sports....Botham, David Gower, Holding saying about this.....Pakistan has every right to do this unless proved otherwise....they are a proud nation....etc etc....these are words from them and alot more that they are appalled by the ICC not finding a solution and not giving information

 

[evertonfan]

Crap.

Hair had no proof whatsover to make these serious allegations.

That may be, but it doesn't excuse the way that Pakistan have acted.

 

[shabbu1]

Pakistan have constantly "settled" the affair after numerous matches where Hair has totally screwed them over...a strong complaint here, a strong complaint there - TO NO AVAIL!

It was high-time Pakistan made their feelings known infront of everyone, for everyone to see this disgrace of an umpire and his constant, purely biased and racist acts.

 

[evertonfan]

What you're saying is ridiculous.....I wish you could see Sky sports....Botham, David Gower, Holding saying about this.....Pakistan has every right to do this unless proved otherwise....they are a proud nation....etc etc....these are words from themand alot more that they are applaed by the ICC not finding a solution and not giving information

I can see Sky Sports, and just because a few pundits say a few words isn't gonna change my opnion.

 

[Bilsher007]

6.15pm Play has been officially called off for the day, according to Sky. That leaves open the possibility that there will be cricket tomorrow. That all needs to be confirmed and hopefully we'll have that news for you shortly.

6.05pm According to Sky, the fourth umpire has just informed the teams that there will be no more play today.

Just a little extra from the bemused ECB spokesperson. "It's certainly nothing to do with the spirit between the teams. That much I can tell you. Just like the rest of us, they are sat there in astonishment waiting for someone to tell us what's happening."

6.00pm An ECB spokesperson has just said: "It's entirely a matter for the ICC and the PCB. England's batsmen were out there and all ready to resume playing." They are going to sit tight and wait for someone to make a decision. For obvious reasons, ie it's not really anything to do with them, the England camp won't be making any further statements on this situation at the moment.

 

[iZeeshan]

That may be, but it doesn't excuse the way that Pakistan have acted.

Of course it does. You think you're better then Bootha, Llyod, Athers, and Rameez? If they agree, then I don't see why your brain doesn't get it.

 

[Easa]

That may be, but it doesn't excuse the way that Pakistan have acted.

Are you serious?

Theres no point even debating with you on this one?

 

[b0wld]

an inner source (i.e.e ME) says that Shehreyar threatented the team with huge consecuences if they dont go out & play... he might hav tolfd them that he will fire all of them & that he will tell scotalnd yard that the terror plot last week was masterminded by the team.. all in all i saw a glimpse & that is that the WHOLE TOP management of PAKISTAN is STILL a SAVE to the ENGLISHMEN

 

[iZeeshan]

Why the hell would we play tomorrow. It would jsut be a blunt draw.

 

[Bilsher007]

I can see Sky Sports, and just because a few pundits say a few words isn't gonna change my opnion.

If you don't have anything sensible to say than leave this forum please, pakistan have not played spoilt sport it's the umpires and specially darrel hair the racist thief.

 

[the_game]

I can see Sky Sports, and just because a few pundits say a few words isn't gonna change my opnion.

Any nation, any f'ing nation in the world would have walked off the field the moment Hair did that. Atleast we continued till tea. Don't mouth off until your team has been accused of blatant cheating, without any f'ing evidence might I add.

 

[evertonfan]

Of course it does. You think you're better then Bootha, Llyod, Athers, and Rameez? If they agree, then I don't see why your brain doesn't get it.

I don't think i'm better than them at all, but aren't I allowed to have my opinion? Good God why do people on this board act so hostile towards people with a different opinion to theirs?

 

[iZeeshan]

an inner source (i.e.e ME) says that Shehreyar threatented the team with huge consecuences if they dont go out & play... he might hav tolfd them that he will fire all of them & that he will tell scotalnd yard that the terror plot last week was masterminded by the team.. all in all i saw a glimpse & that is that the WHOLE TOP management of PAKISTAN is STILL a SAVE to the ENGLISHMEN

I said that a long, long time ago.

 

[iZeeshan]

I don't think i'm better than them at all, but aren't I allowed to have my opinion? Good God why do people on this board act so hostile towards people with a different opinion to theirs?

You have your opinion. But I still don't see why you don't get it. But you do continue to critisize Pakistan for what they did.

 

[b0wld]

do u guyz realize that with shehreya statement... ICC can not only fine pakistan but can also BAN them... he statement has literally has given Darrell Hair every aspect ot rejoice coz its now his decision tats gonna count

 

[evertonfan]

If you don't have anything sensible to say than leave this forum please, pakistan have not played spoilt sport it's the umpires and specially darrel hair the racist thief.

I think what I was saying was sensible, just because I have a different opinion doesn't mean it isn't sensible. Some people on this board should learn that people have different opinion.

 

[CricketJunoon]

I can see Sky Sports, and just because a few pundits say a few words isn't gonna change my opnion.

Good....because these pundits could not be biased as they are from England correct? Wrong maybe....but to me their arguments make a great deal of sense to me.....Pakistan has made complaints time and again on Hair and what he did today was a serious enough accusation that Pak team is a cheat.....this is ridiculous...he needs to prove it......you're being biased here

 

[evertonfan]

You have your opinion. But I still don't see why you don't get it. But you do continue to critisize Pakistan for what they did.

I can understand why they have done it, but I just don't agree with it. What is wrong with me thinking that?

 

[the_game]

I think what I was saying was sensible, just because I have a different opinion doesn't mean it isn't sensible. Some people on this board should learn that people have different opinion.

Your opinion is idiotic. You have no argument whatsover. Pakistan are COMPLETELY justified in doing whatever they are doing. In fact, they have been nicer than they really should have been.

 

[iZeeshan]

How long do you guys think these talks will go on, heavily.

 

[Gunner786]

looks like hair is focusing only on asif

 

[Easa]

Why the hell would we play tomorrow. It would jsut be a blunt draw.

We only need 6 wickets in 90 overs.

These two and Read are the only recognized batsman.

 

[Gunner786]

How long do you guys think these talks will go on, heavily.

i hope it goes on all night..this is exciting

 

[INZItheman]

Your opinion is idiotic. You have no argument whatsover. Pakistan are COMPLETELY justified in doing whatever they are doing. In fact, they have been nicer than they really should have been.

agree completely!

 

[Billy]

Your opinion is idiotic. You have no argument whatsover. Pakistan are COMPLETELY justified in doing whatever they are doing. In fact, they have been nicer than they really should have been.

Not by the letter of the law.

If common sense prevails then that should be irrelevent, but as it stands the umpires followed the laws and Pakistan didn't.

Now you and I know how silly that sounds.. but sadly it's true.

 

[evertonfan]

Your opinion is idiotic. You have no argument whatsover. Pakistan are COMPLETELY justified in doing whatever they are doing. In fact, they have been nicer than they really should have been.

There we go again, why do people act so violently towards different opinions on this board? I think you are being very harsh calling my opinion idiotic. Although I don't agree with your opinions, I have never once called it idiotic or any other form of critiscism.

 

[iZeeshan]

Your opinion is idiotic. You have no argument whatsover. Pakistan are COMPLETELY justified in doing whatever they are doing. In fact, they have been nicer than they really should have been..

I really wanted to say that. But I felt bad. And I thought he'd go beserk.

 

[iZeeshan]

Meetings to be held. Play may be on tomorrow. Maybe not.

 

[the_game]

Not by the letter of the law.

If common sense prevails then that should be irrelevent, but as it stands the umpires followed the laws and Pakistan didn't.

Now you and I know how silly that sounds.. but sadly it's true.

By the letter of the law, Hair had NO right (even as the umpiring authority) to take the ball away and change it based on what he saw on the ball. You do realize that, right?

 

[iZeeshan]

6.30pm The ECB have just announced that meetings will be held immediately after play to determine whether the match will go ahead tomorrow. We'll obviously bring you that news as soon as we have it.

 

[Bilsher007]

I can understand why they have done it, but I just don't agree with it. What is wrong with me thinking that?

You have your right to make a statement the way you think about this incident and we all are are making our statements stand out by saying that you don't have COMMON SENSE in you.

Answer this now you don't think any other team would have walked with the accusation of cheat ? ANSWER ME NOW ?????

 

[evertonfan]

I really wanted to say that. But I felt bad. And I thought he'd go beserk.

If you want to say it so badly then say it. I won't react angrily towards it, I just wish that people would stop acting so aggressivley towards me just because I think different to the situation than they do.

 

[CricketJunoon]

Of course it does. You think you're better then Bootha, Llyod, Athers, and Rameez? If they agree, then I don't see why your brain doesn't get it.

Couldn't agree more with you

 

[the_game]

If you want to say it so badly then say it. I won't react angrily towards it, I just wish that people would stop acting so aggressivley towards me just because I think different to the situation than they do.

You can have your opinion. The fact is, you would be gutted too if England didn't do the same if they were screwed over by an Asian umpire. Your feet are not, I repeat not, in our shoes.

 

[evertonfan]

Answer this now you don't think any other team would have walked with the accusation of cheat ? ANSWER ME NOW ?????

I think every team would do what Pakistan did, but I just don't agree with it, that's all i'm saying.

 

[the_game]

I think every team would do what Pakistan did, but I just don't agree with it, that's all i'm saying.

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. Now please don't accuse the Pakistani team of wrongdoing in not coming out on a Pakistani forum. Enjoy your stay on PP.

 

[Billy]

By the letter of the law, Hair had NO right (even as the umpiring authority) to take the ball away and change it based on what he saw on the ball. You do realize that, right?

Unless I've been misinformed I do not believe that to be the case.

You and I may think that Hair needed more evidence (or even some evidence at all!) but that's really not the point. If Hair saw what he believed to be ball tampering then he acted quite correctly under the laws.

The fact that he clearly has no evidence undermines him further down the road but the initial action was done in a proper, if insensitive way.

Feel free to correct me if TMS are feeding me lies though..

 

[Bilsher007]

No news yet about what will happen tommorow but i think pakistan team and fans could care less about it after hair's pathetic attitude.

 

[evertonfan]

Ok, thanks for clarifying that. Now please don't accuse the Pakistani team of wrongdoing in not coming out on a Pakistani forum. Enjoy your stay on PP.

I would have acted the same towards any team who acted liek Pakistan did, so just to clear things up, I don't have a vendetta against Pakistan or something like that.

 

[Imran_The Man!]

Kamran Abbasi on TMS being interviewed, laying into Hair and Doctrove, Hair especially.

 

[evertonfan]

No news yet about what will happen tommorow but i think pakistan team and fans could care less about it after hair's pathetic attitude.

I'm pretty sure that Doctrove had something to do with it as well.

 

[the_game]

Unless I've been misinformed I do not believe that to be the case.

You and I may think that Hair needed more evidence (or even some evidence at all!) but that's really not the point. If Hair saw what he believed to be ball tampering then he acted quite correctly under the laws.

The fact that he clearly has no evidence undermines him further down the road but the initial action was done in a proper, if insensitive way.

Feel free to correct me if TMS are feeding me lies though..

I'm sure TMS is aware of any loopholes Hair would be able to get away with! However, I personally think he is in deep sh*t, and he knows it too.

 

[shan]

Unless I've been misinformed I do not believe that to be the case.

You and I may think that Hair needed more evidence (or even some evidence at all!) but that's really not the point. If Hair saw what he believed to be ball tampering then he acted quite correctly under the laws.

The fact that he clearly has no evidence undermines him further down the road but the initial action was done in a proper, if insensitive way.

Feel free to correct me if TMS are feeding me lies though..

i thing u need some hard lesson on cricket law

where was u when one of the comentator was explaining the law of game?

 

[iZeeshan]

Ooo I really wanna hear tat.

 

[Billy]

i thing u need some hard lesson on cricket law

where was u when one of the comentator was explaining the law of game?

Well in the case of TMS and Sky... listening to it.

As I understand it Hair applied the laws correctly. He just didn't have any evidence..!

 

[CricketJunoon]

Unless I've been misinformed I do not believe that to be the case.

You and I may think that Hair needed more evidence (or even some evidence at all!) but that's really not the point. If Hair saw what he believed to be ball tampering then he acted quite correctly under the laws.

The fact that he clearly has no evidence undermines him further down the road but the initial action was done in a proper, if insensitive way.

Feel free to correct me if TMS are feeding me lies though..

You may be technically correct....but given the serious nature of the accusation Pakistan has every right to protest....This is equivalent to accusing sportsmen in other games (like Football and baseball here in the US) of drugs etc......This issue needs to be escalated and there is no other way of escalating this than by walking out or not returning after tea....The great Imran Khan would have done it and as charismatic as he was this would have been resolved in Pak's favor by now.

 

[Imran_The Man!]

Hopefully Hair has finally done for himself and this is the last Pak game he will be allowed to officiate in, starting with the upcoming ODI's.

 

[PapaBear]

Kamran Abbasi on TMS being interviewed, laying into Hair and Doctrove, Hair especially.

Its Qamar Ahmed BBC Urdu Service Sports Reporter. I wish they had Amir Sohail there! He would tell them the truth!

 

[iZeeshan]

6.32pm Bob Woolmer has just announced: "The team is upset by the inference they have been accused of tampering with the ball and therefore cheating. It is a no-win situation as the umpires refuse to come out."

 

[CricketJunoon]

Inzamam is not a very charismatic Captain but I respect him for what he did today....a bit late as he should have walked out when he was accused in the first place.....

 

[shan]

Well in the case of TMS and Sky... listening to it.

As I understand it Hair applied the laws correctly. He just didn't have any evidence..!

but also pak did the right thing to come out for play

but then hair refused

 

[Billy]

They had every right to protest but I'm split about the manner in which they did it. I give my full backing to Inzamam and his boys over the ball tampering incident but I cannot totally condone the way in which his team protested.

For the sake of simple language I'm "on your side"... I'm just pointing out that Pakistan aren't entirely blameless. Although I don't think I'd go quite as far as Evertonfan.

 

[b0wld]

Bmble had the law book & said that Hair broke 3 laws in an hour...HOW the F*** is he an UMPIRE.... no wonder his wife got b******

 

[Billy]

but also pak did the right thing to come out for play

but then hair refused

Yes but Hair would probably claim that by the letter of the law the match was already over so he could not come out and start play. We can't be 100% sure but that appears to be the line of argument he's taking.

 

[Imran_The Man!]

Its Qamar Ahmed BBC Urdu Service Sports Reporter. I wish they had Amir Sohail there! He would tell them the truth!

Right, thanks, sorry, Aggers pronounciation confused me

Bob Woolmer has just announced: "The team is upset by the inference they have been accused of tampering with the ball and therefore cheating. It is a no-win situation as the umpires refuse to come out."

 

[PapaBear]

They had every right to protest but I'm split about the manner in which they did it. I give my full backing to Inzamam and his boys over the ball tampering incident but I cannot totally condone the way in which his team protested.

For the sake of simple language I'm "on your side"... I'm just pointing out that Pakistan aren't entirely blameless. Although I don't think I'd go quite as far as Evertonfan.

Please dont call it a Ball Tampering Incident. It was Ball Tampering False Accusation by a very racist and biased umpire who should not be allowed to umpire here onwards.