Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

[Amjid Javed]

someone meat-riding Zinchenko because he's on the bench.

 

[topspin]

someone meat-riding Zinchenko because he's on the bench.

Strange fetish. Probably has a poster of him in his bedroom and gets hard by the sight of him when he wakes up in the morning.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Strange fetish. Probably has a poster of him in his bedroom and gets hard by the sight of him when he wakes up in the morning.

Exactly, the teams winning 3-0

And the guys crying that zionist cheerleader is on the bench.

I called this fraud on that other thread and he had no faith Arsenal winning this game, now he's celebrating like he had faith in the team

 

[MenInG]

If you notice your posts are being deleted

Carry on posting nonsense and you wont see your posts.

 

[topspin]

So what’s my agenda here?

I’ve been laying the smackdown on the cricket threads and you couldn’t do Jack all about it there.

Care to elaborate what is my agenda here by enjoying football?

 

[MenInG]

For the Spurs game

use the other thread,

This thread is for later.

 

[Rana]

Don’t think City will drop points tonight

But we can hope

 

[Amjid Javed]

Don’t think City will drop points tonight

But we can hope

Just have to win our games, only way to apply pressure

 

[shaz619]

Watching Arsenal is not good for a healthy heat, need some guidance updated on the NHS website

 

[Mamoon]

Whoever wins the league, Arsenal have proved that the allegations that they can’t handle big games in April have been laid to rest.

Arteta continues to egg his haters in the face.

Oh and let’s not forget:

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60 million down the drain
Kai Havertz scores again
@topspin and @Amjid Javed get humiliated again

 

[Rana]

Just have to win our games, only way to apply pressure

Hopefully Nottingham are inspired and deliver a performance of a lifetime to save their PL status

 

[Amjid Javed]

Watching Arsenal is not good for a healthy heat, need some guidance updated on the NHS website

Wasn't good for heart rate or sweating

 

[Rana]

Whoever wins the league, Arsenal have proved that the allegations that they can’t handle big games in April have been laid to rest.

What?

We got knocked out of the QF of the Champions league, and we desperately need City to drop points in order to win the league

What cuckoo land do you live in?

 

[Mamoon]

Watching Arsenal is not good for a healthy heat, need some guidance updated on the NHS website

NLD is the most high scoring derby in the PL for a reason. In recent years, it had been because both sides have had good attackers but weak defenses, but this time around, Arsenal have the best defense in the league but that Raya mistake set the cat among the pigeons.

Arteta will need to work with Raya in the summer. He is going to win the golden glove but he is far from the best keeper in the league. He hasn’t even proved that he is an upgrade on Ramsdale.

 

[Mamoon]

What?

We got knocked out of the QF of the Champions league, and we desperately need City to drop points in order to win the league

What cuckoo land do you live in?

I don’t care about the Champions League. It is a cup competition at the end of the day and doesn’t always reflect how good or a bad a team is.

You can finish 5th in the league and still win the UCL that season.

Over the last two seasons, the accusations were that Arsenal fail to handle pressure in the last 10 games because there is a lot to play for. That allegation has been laid to rest this season.

Arsenal have had the toughest run in amongst the three and they are answering all questions that are being thrown at them.

If they win all their games and so do City, so be it. Arsenal will take this confidence into next season and they go again. Unless the world is ending, this won’t be the last season of PL football. So what if they don’t win this time.

Look at where Arsenal were before Arteta and look at where they are now. Difference of night and day. Every Arsenal fan should be proud of where the club is at right now and where it is heading.

The bigger picture is that Arsenal is well and truly back and all fans should enjoy the ride.

I don’t know about cuckoo land, but I live in the same world where you have rubbish opinions on both cricket and football.

 

[Amjid Javed]

So supposedly a certain poster predicted Arsenal to win the league.

Now they are posting

"If they win all their games and so do City, so be it. Arsenal will take this confidence into next season and they go again. Unless the world is ending, this won’t be the last season of PL football. So what if they don’t win this time"

The lies exposed once again, once again exposing posters for their lack of faith.

 

[Amjid Javed]

What?

We got knocked out of the QF of the Champions league, and we desperately need City to drop points in order to win the league

What cuckoo land do you live in?

The FA Cup don't matter
League cup don't matter
CL don't matter

List of excuse from this fake cheerleader is their for all them to see

 

[topspin]

What?

We got knocked out of the QF of the Champions league, and we desperately need City to drop points in order to win the league

What cuckoo land do you live in?

Very well said bro.

His premature excitement is showing again. Acting as if Arsenal have already won the PL, when we're second favourites.

 

[topspin]

The FA Cup don't matter
League cup don't matter
CL don't matter

List of excuse from this fake cheerleader is their for all them to see

Another one to add to my list of gems

 

[Rana]

I don’t care about the Champions League. It is a cup competition at the end of the day and doesn’t always reflect how good or a bad a team is.

You can finish 5th in the league and still win the UCL that season.

Yeah no

We who support Arsenal and not our local football clubs is because we have an aspiration of them becoming the best club in Europe alongside the country

You might not care about winning or competing in that competition but no real Arsenal fan would be happy to not be able to compete in this competition

Even if you end up 5th or 4th, you can’t win the CL without a squad mentally strong enough and technically equipped to win the competition. You can’t win the competition if your squad isn’t good enough to win those daunting games at the Allianz, Bernabeau or Nou Camp. This is the beauty of football.

It has also reflected on Arsenal’s season in the PL. We are behind City because,

1. We don’t have a proper CF to finish off extremely difficult chances in huge Cat A matches of the league

2. We don’t have a creative midfielder who is on that elite level the way City possess De Bruyne, or Museala at Bayern and Bellingham at Madrid

Arsenal need upgrades to Havertz and Odegaard if we want to be the best in England and have a proper go at the CL

 

[topspin]

I don’t care about the Champions League. It is a cup competition at the end of the day and doesn’t always reflect how good or a bad a team is.

You can finish 5th in the league and still win the UCL that season.

Over the last two seasons, the accusations were that Arsenal fail to handle pressure in the last 10 games because there is a lot to play for. That allegation has been laid to rest this season.

Arsenal have had the toughest run in amongst the three and they are answering all questions that are being thrown at them.

If they win all their games and so do City, so be it. Arsenal will take this confidence into next season and they go again. Unless the world is ending, this won’t be the last season of PL football. So what if they don’t win this time.

Look at where Arsenal were before Arteta and look at where they are now. Difference of night and day. Every Arsenal fan should be proud of where the club is at right now and where it is heading.

The bigger picture is that Arsenal is well and truly back and all fans should enjoy the ride.

I don’t know about cuckoo land, but I live in the same world where you have rubbish opinions on both cricket and football.

Going by your logic, the World Cup doesn't matter

 

[Amjid Javed]

So the games vs Villa and Bayern weren't big games?

We're they play in a different month to April

Every Arsenal fan should be happy today. But in terms of facts, this season thats Arsenal's 1st win in a big game away from home in PL after failing to win at villa, Newcastle, Liverpool, city and Chelsea.

I think someone needs to chill with meat-riding as usual

 

[Rana]

Very well said bro.

His premature excitement is showing again. Acting as if Arsenal have already won the PL, when we're second favourites.

I would argue Liverpool are still better than us in terms of key position player quality and squad depth. They’ve just been atrocious on the road this season

 

[topspin]

I would argue Liverpool are still better than us in terms of key position player quality and squad depth. They’ve just been atrocious on the road this season

As Danny Murphy said, if Liverpool has a world class DM like Rice they would've won the league this season.

Arsenal need to invest heavily in the summer. They require:

• A proper CF
• Right winger
• CAM
• DM - if both Jorginho and Partey leave
• Number 8 - Rice can play this role but, Arsenal will need cover if both Jorginho and Partey leave
• Left back - to replace Zinchenko, who I'm sure will be sold in the summer
• Centre back

Liverpool just need 3 x players (max) to to build from this season.

 

[topspin]

So the games vs Villa and Bayern weren't big games?

We're they play in a different month to April

Every Arsenal fan should be happy today. But in terms of facts, this season thats Arsenal's 1st win in a big game away from home in PL after failing to win at villa, Newcastle, Liverpool, city and Chelsea.

I think someone needs to chill with meat-riding as usual

Maybe there's a different calendar for those stuck in caves.

 

[Rana]

So the games vs Villa and Bayern weren't big games?

Apparently not

We are top of the league and cruising in the champions league it seems

 

[Amjid Javed]

Apparently not

We are top of the league and cruising in the champions league it seems

So basically finish 2nd in league is now yardstick for great managers and teams.

Liverpool fans have celebrated this under klopp, certain poster mocks them.

Then at same time he celebrates same thing.

Yet again exposing himself.

 

[Mamoon]

Going by your logic, the World Cup doesn't matter

Cup competitions are cup competitions. Adding prestige to it doesn’t change the fact that the winner will not always be the strongest team in the competition.

Knockouts are knockouts. They will always be a flawed format. You can’t determine the best team based on 2-3 knockout games.

 

[Amjid Javed]

At end of each season a keeper gets a goal gloves award for most clean sheets etc..

Let's be real here David De Gea has won this away before in a season where both he and united have been poor

In regards to David Raya leading this during this season again this doesn't reflect quality of a keeper.

Raya is only just better than Ramsdale.

In terms of today, the chance where spurs hit post, Raya was all over place on the cross. 1st goal his fault as well.

Neither he or Ramsdale are good enough to be long term number 1

 

[MenInG]

What a brilliant season for Arsenal this is.

So proud of what they have done and credit to Arteta and his players.

Competing again Man City and their $$$$ was always tough but what a season!

 

[Amjid Javed]

What a brilliant season for Arsenal this is.

So proud of what they have done and credit to Arteta and his players.

Competing again Man City and their $$$$ was always tough but what a season!

Let's not use the £££ excuse.

The more successful you are the more money you earn. Man city for winning their treble last season earned £300 Million. Approx £175 Million for winning PL and over £120 Million for winning CL

Arsenal for finishing 2nd earned huge amount of money aswell, the club spent over £200 million in transfers.

So stop with the Liverpool type "we can compete with money rubbish"

If Arsenal were frying fish last season or this season in the failed cup runs etc.. and CL they won't have loads more money.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah no

We who support Arsenal and not our local football clubs is because we have an aspiration of them becoming the best club in Europe alongside the country

You might not care about winning or competing in that competition but no real Arsenal fan would be happy to not be able to compete in this competition

Even if you end up 5th or 4th, you can’t win the CL without a squad mentally strong enough and technically equipped to win the competition. You can’t win the competition if your squad isn’t good enough to win those daunting games at the Allianz, Bernabeau or Nou Camp. This is the beauty of football.

I would prefer winning the Premier League over the UCL any day. Winning the league means you are the strongest team in your country but winning the UCL doesn’t necessarily make you the best or strongest team in Europe.

It has also reflected on Arsenal’s season in the PL. We are behind City because,

1. We don’t have a proper CF to finish off extremely difficult chances in huge Cat A matches of the league

Who told you that you have authority on defining what Cat A matches are? Was today game not Cat A? Was the one vs Chelsea not Cat A?

Havertz has proved his detractors wrong. He in fact, he has owned them. He has been brilliant since replacing Jesus as the first choice CF and is a major reason why Arsenal are at City’s heels. His contribution and impact in this run in will not be forgotten.

2. We don’t have a creative midfielder who is on that elite level the way City possess De Bruyne, or Museala at Bayern and Bellingham at Madrid

Arsenal need upgrades to Havertz and Odegaard if we want to be the best in England and have a proper go at the CL

Absolute pile of rubbish. Odegaard is elite, he is one of the best in the world and the best part is that he is only 25 and his best years are ahead of him.

Odegaard is every bit as good as De Bruyne was at 25.

If Odegaard isn’t world class or elite, no one is.

Bellingham is not a creative midfielder and Musiala has a totally different profile too. Neither of the two can be like for like replacements for Odegaard. I have already schooled @topspin om this.

This is not to say that they are not brilliant. Of course they are. It would be amazing to have a player like Bellingham alongside Odegaard and Rice in midfield, or to have a technical and creative winger/CAM hybrid like Musiala, Wirtz or Foden on the left to replace Martinelli.

Martinelli is the biggest weak link in this team and the number one reason that is holding the team back a bit. He is technically poor and his footballing IQ is non-existent.

His best utility is an impact sub late in the game where he can have a crack at tired defenders with his pace and directness, exactly like how he has been utilized in recent weeks.

The number one priority in the summer should be to sign an upgrade on Martinelli and an additional midfielder because Partey is unreliable in terms of fitness and Jorginho is not getting any younger.

Havertz is fine where he is.

 

[MenInG]

Not happy with Raya. Too many of these silly errors.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Not happy with Raya. Too many of these silly errors.

He's starting look as dodgy as Leno, Almunia with his clangers

 

[MenInG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1784599245456097708

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I don’t care about the Champions League. It is a cup competition at the end of the day and doesn’t always reflect how

As Danny Murphy said, if Liverpool has a world class DM like Rice they would've won the league this season.

Arsenal need to invest heavily in the summer. They require:

• A proper CF
• Right winger
• CAM
• DM - if both Jorginho and Partey leave
• Number 8 - Rice can play this role but, Arsenal will need cover if both Jorginho and Partey leave
• Left back - to replace Zinchenko, who I'm sure will be sold in the summer
• Centre back

Liverpool just need 3 x players (max) to to build from this season.

For me Rice is not world class. The crunch big games he's been poor. Reason Arsenal will not win the league is to do with bottling it at Home to villa, in which Rice was part of.

Liverpool taken half the chances they missed, they'd be clear top, that was their issue, forwards bottling it at the crunch games

 

[topspin]

Not happy with Raya. Too many of these silly errors.

If it comes down to goal difference how costly will his error prove to be? Arsenal should've won this 3-0 but his howler allowed Spurs to get back in it.

 

[topspin]

@aboveandbeyond I know Rice gave away a pen today but he's been head and shoulders above his team mates this season.

I would say he's been one of the four best players this season alongside Foden, Palmer and Watkins.

If Arsenal somehow do end up winning the PL, he should be awarded the PFA player of the season.

I disagree about Rice not being world class. You'll only find one better DM than him and that's Rodri.

 

[Abdullah]

As Danny Murphy said, if Liverpool has a world class DM like Rice they would've won the league this season.

Arsenal need to invest heavily in the summer. They require:

• A proper CF
• Right winger
• CAM
• DM - if both Jorginho and Partey leave
• Number 8 - Rice can play this role but, Arsenal will need cover if both Jorginho and Partey leave
• Left back - to replace Zinchenko, who I'm sure will be sold in the summer
• Centre back

Liverpool just need 3 x players (max) to to build from this season.

Yes but a change in manager I huge. It normally doesn't go smoothly

 

[topspin]

Yes but a change in manager I huge. It normally doesn't go smoothly

Certainly not for Man Utd

 

[Abdullah]

If it comes down to goal difference how costly will his error prove to be? Arsenal should've won this 3-0 but his howler allowed Spurs to get back in it.

It can't come down to goal difference.
The gap is too much. City can't catch up arsenal on gD
I see city dropping points in that last week. They looked very leggy today and have a double game week Vs spurs
Spurs can rumble city big style. Pep isn't going to do to an Arteta and have 28% ball, so spurs will be countering big style and will have to much energy for city and get in a few times.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

@aboveandbeyond I know Rice gave away a pen today but he's been head and shoulders above his team mates this season.

I would say he's been one of the four best players this season alongside Foden, Palmer and Watkins.

If Arsenal somehow do end up winning the PL, he should be awarded the PFA player of the season.

I disagree about Rice not being world class. You'll only find one better DM than him and that's Rodri.

The only 2 English players I'd put in the world class category are Walker who has been brilliant for years and Kane who again been brilliant for years

Rodri, valverde, for me are the top dogs in that position.

 

[topspin]

It can't come down to goal difference.
The gap is too much. City can't catch up arsenal on gD
I see city dropping points in that last week. They looked very leggy today and have a double game week Vs spurs
Spurs can rumble city big style. Pep isn't going to do to an Arteta and have 28% ball, so spurs will be countering big style and will have to much energy for city and get in a few times.

I hope you're right but everyone expects City to win their remaining games. It's that deja vu feeling, they've been here and gone on some insane winning streaks in the past under Pep during the latter part of the season.

 

[PakLFC]

Man City's only real tough fixture left is the visit to Spurs where they do tend to struggle. Man Utd fighting for a place in Europe next season won't make it easy for Arsenal when they host them in a few weeks. Only Arsenal can have a great season without winning anything!

 

[Amjid Javed]

As Danny Murphy said, if Liverpool has a world class DM like Rice they would've won the league this season.

Arsenal need to invest heavily in the summer. They require:

• A proper CF
• Right winger
• CAM
• DM - if both Jorginho and Partey leave
• Number 8 - Rice can play this role but, Arsenal will need cover if both Jorginho and Partey leave
• Left back - to replace Zinchenko, who I'm sure will be sold in the summer
• Centre back

Liverpool just need 3 x players (max) to to build from this season.

You forgot GK as well, Ramsdale won't be staying

 

[Amjid Javed]

The only 2 English players I'd put in the world class category are Walker who has been brilliant for years and Kane who again been brilliant for years

Rodri, valverde, for me are the top dogs in that position.

Walker isn't world class. He's got good pace and recovery and most of the time that bails out him from his poor positioning and initial defending.

 

[MK7Z]

Yes I know he's not won anything yet blah blah blah. But this is impressive. Obviously the context is becoming a champion. But he is in Elite company.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Apparently not

We are top of the league and cruising in the champions league it seems

So to summarise

- wenger is failure for not winning CL
- klopp only won 1 CL
- Alonso needs to prove himself in CL
- CL don't matter (in case of Arteta)

- Liverpool are failure for finishing 2nd to Pep
- Arteta is great manager for competing with Pep

- PL isn't the best in Europe, you need to watch other European leagues
- if Arteta wins PL he's a great and world class and only PL matters

This is the contradictory nonsense you get from a cheerleader

Yet more exposure on contradictions

Glad you and @topspin can see it as well

 

[Mamoon]

Yes I know he's not won anything yet blah blah blah. But this is impressive. Obviously the context is becoming a champion. But he is in Elite company.

You have to blind as a bat to not see and not appreciate what Arteta has done for Arsenal.

Arsenal is incredibly lucky to have a manager like him and he is exactly what Arsenal needed after Wenger to usher a new era.

He will win multiple Premier Leagues for Arsenal. There is absolutely no doubt about it. The next 6/7 years are going to be golden and reminiscent of the 1997-2005 period. Hopefully, it won’t end as poorly as it did for Wenger.

 

[Amjid Javed]

50 page thread and every page is littered with same copy paste rubbish

Oh because of Arteta I have to change my underwear every hour

Oh because of Arteta I'm worshipping the statue in the garden..

Nothing more then repeated meat-riding spam

 

[Mamoon]

So to summarise

- wenger is failure for not winning CL

Wenger is not a failure but the second half of his career was a failure because he failed to fight for the title. It is not a problem if he didn’t win the CL. Winning the league is more important.

- klopp only won 1 CL

Klopp is criticized for underachieving with Liverpool because he only won 1 PL with a squad that was capable of winning 2-3. I don’t care if he won the CL or not.

- Alonso needs to prove himself in CL
- CL don't matter (in case of Arteta)

Alonso needs to prove himself by managing a big club with expectations and a hostile media. Leverkusen is one of the most docile and friendliest clubs in Europe with a peaceful fan base. Polar opposite of a toxic fan base like Arsenal.

The German media is also very forgiving unless you are Bayern Munich while the English media is always look for an opportunity to pounce on Arsenal.

Alonso’s real test will come when he managers Madrid or Bayern or Liverpool in the future. In fact, even next season will be more challenging than this one because he will be expected to keep this up and the surprise element will be gone.

The circumstances and pressure that Arteta had to work with when he took over at Arsenal couldn’t be more different than the pressure Alonso had to deal with.

There is absolutely no way Alonso would have done a better job than Arteta had he took over Arsenal in 2019.

Alonso is a top manager but it is too early to declare him better than Arteta because he is yet to experience working for a club where he is subjected to real pressure, expectations and hostility both from the fans and the media.

- Liverpool are failure for finishing 2nd to Pep
- Arteta is great manager for competing with Pep

Liverpool is a failure because they won 1 title in 10 years in spite of having the team to win 2-3. If Arsenal has only 1 league under their belt after 10 years of Arteta, I would consider them a failure too.

- PL isn't the best in Europe, you need to watch other European leagues
- if Arteta wins PL he's a great and world class and only PL matters

This is the contradictory nonsense you get from a cheerleader

PL isn’t the best league. It is a great league but there are other great leagues out there too. The problem with PL fans is they think the world revolves around them which isn’t the case.

You win any major league and you are a top manager. Inzaghi is a top manager, Alonso is a top manager and Simeone is a top manager.

Yet more exposure on contradictions

Glad you and @topspin can see it as well

There are no contradictions. The only issue is that you don’t understand the nuisances and intricacies because you are only interested in driving your agenda and don’t know anything about football.

 

[Rana]

So to summarise

- wenger is failure for not winning CL
- klopp only won 1 CL
- Alonso needs to prove himself in CL
- CL don't matter (in case of Arteta)

- Liverpool are failure for finishing 2nd to Pep
- Arteta is great manager for competing with Pep

- PL isn't the best in Europe, you need to watch other European leagues
- if Arteta wins PL he's a great and world class and only PL matters

This is the contradictory nonsense you get from a cheerleader

Yet more exposure on contradictions

Glad you and @topspin can see it as well

Football, supporting Arsenal is my only release these days from all the rubbish I see with Pakistan cricket. I just want to enjoy watching this team, not stress too much about why we are not peak Barcelona level.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Walker isn't world class. He's got good pace and recovery and most of the time that bails out him from his poor positioning and initial defending.

Jeez. Walker, constantly rescues city on the counters, his one to one with the world's best offensive players where he pockets them is legendary. The same applies, when he's the sole quality defender in a poor England back line.

 

[Abdullah]

Yes I know he's not won anything yet blah blah blah. But this is impressive. Obviously the context is becoming a champion. But he is in Elite company.

This is unreal!
Of the five he probably took over the club in a weaker position than when the other managers took over their clubs.

City had recently been winners, when pep took over.
United were strong under sir Alex by the time prem started.
Chelsea has finished a close second to invincible arsenal when Jose took over.
Liverpool had recently finished second with Rodgers 18 months before klopp took over.

Arsenal comparatively had been a rabble for about 5+ years before Arteta took over.

The guy is a genius. I'm just hoping that his intensity means he crashes and burns sooner rather than later

 

[Amjid Javed]

Jeez. Walker, constantly rescues city on the counters, his one to one with the world's best offensive players where he pockets them is legendary. The same applies, when he's the sole quality defender in a poor England back line.

Again I'm not disputing walkers pace or his one on one abilities. My point is a lot of the time his poor positional sense in 1st place puts him in danger and then his pace bails him out.

That's not world class. World class defenders don't regularly put themselves in situations where they have to use their pace to bail out their initial mistakes.

Walker is good, but not world class.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Again I'm not disputing walkers pace or his one on one abilities. My point is a lot of the time his poor positional sense in 1st place puts him in danger and then his pace bails him out.

That's not world class. World class defenders don't regularly put themselves in situations where they have to use their pace to bail out their initial mistakes.

Walker is good, but not world class.

Name a world class defender that doesn't make mistakes.

 

[Mamoon]

Again I'm not disputing walkers pace or his one on one abilities. My point is a lot of the time his poor positional sense in 1st place puts him in danger and then his pace bails him out.

That's not world class. World class defenders don't regularly put themselves in situations where they have to use their pace to bail out their initial mistakes.

Walker is good, but not world class.

Arteta is a clueless
Odegaard is not world class
Walker is not world class
Havertz is a failure

How can someone have so many rubbish opinions is beyond me.

 

[Mamoon]

This is unreal!
Of the five he probably took over the club in a weaker position than when the other managers took over their clubs.

City had recently been winners, when pep took over.
United were strong under sir Alex by the time prem started.
Chelsea has finished a close second to invincible arsenal when Jose took over.
Liverpool had recently finished second with Rodgers 18 months before klopp took over.

Arsenal comparatively had been a rabble for about 5+ years before Arteta took over.

The guy is a genius. I'm just hoping that his intensity means he crashes and burns sooner rather than later

Arteta has the same caliber as Pep and Mourinho. Absolutely elite manager and he is not going to stop until he wins multiple league titles.

He is also ruthless and shows no loyalty to his players. He is not afraid to axe them.

His biggest achievement has been transforming Arsenal into one of the most defensively resolute Arsenal team in more than two decades.

The way this team defends reminds me of Mourinho’s Chelsea (2004-05) minus the individual errors that he needs to address for next season.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Name a world class defender that doesn't make mistakes.

This isn't about 1 or 2 mistakes, if uve watched walker his positional defending is non existent. Completely different to a world class defender occasionally making a mistake

 

[aboveandbeyond]

This isn't about 1 or 2 mistakes, if uve watched walker his positional defending is non existent. Completely different to a world class defender occasionally making a mistake

Pep would definetly not tolerate these kind of so called mis haps

 

[Amjid Javed]

Pep would definetly not tolerate these kind of so called mis haps

Vast majority of defenders Pep has had at Barca, bayern and City have essentially been ball playing defenders who are good in 1 vs 1 Duals. They have necessarily been the best natural defenders. But that's how Pep has always built his sides.

 

[Amjid Javed]

@topspin @Technics 1210 @Kroll @KingKhanWC @Rana

 

[shaz619]

In order to qualify for ‘We are a big English club’ you need the CL, bit weird to defend not winning it and making excuses, it’s a major milestone in the Seasonal Calendar

 

[shaz619]

@topspin @Technics 1210 @Kroll @KingKhanWC @Rana

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That’s brilliant

 

[Amjid Javed]

In order to qualify for ‘We are a big English club’ you need the CL, bit weird to defend not winning it and making excuses, it’s a major milestone in the Seasonal Calendar

It's just a exercise his faith in manager, one set of logic for Arteta, then same logic not being applied to others and vice versa.

So only competing for PL title matters

Usual copy paste essay will follow...

 

[Rana]

I have no anger issues, but I do have a problem with ignorant people and also people with low intelligence but big mouths.

It is fine to be ignorant and unintelligent, but when you have a big mouth to go with it, I will have a problem with you.

Please don’t take it personally, it is not directed at you. I shall not engage with you in this thread further because you don’t want to have arguments here and I respect that.

My apologies if I caused any offense.

Thanks

Enjoy Arsenal

 

[Rana]

In order to qualify for ‘We are a big English club’ you need the CL, bit weird to defend not winning it and making excuses, it’s a major milestone in the Seasonal Calendar

Indeed. Beautiful tournament. This is what football is truly about.

 

[Mamoon]

In order to qualify for ‘We are a big English club’ you need the CL, bit weird to defend not winning it and making excuses, it’s a major milestone in the Seasonal Calendar

To be a big English club, you have to win numerous first division English titles.

This is precisely why Arsenal is still bigger than Chelsea and City in spite of the fact that both have won the UCL.

As long as Arsenal have more first division titles than every other English club barring United and Liverpool, it will remain a giant of English football and the third biggest club in the country.

This is also why Aston Villa has the reputation of being a mid-tier club in spite of winning the European Cup. 7 first division titles is not enough to be categorized as a big club and they haven’t finished in the top 3 for a very long time either.

 

[Technics 1210]

It is not possible to reason with someone who disregards the Champions League & FA Cup, yet claims Arsenal are the best English club (despite not being a North London club, historically) - in a league they do not rate; in a sport they have never watched live.

Champions League is the gold standard in Club football, anyone who says otherwise has "Negative Ball Knowledge!"

 

[shaz619]

To be a big English club, you have to win numerous first division English titles.

This is precisely why Arsenal is still bigger than Chelsea and City in spite of the fact that both have won the UCL.

As long as Arsenal have more first division titles than every other English club barring United and Liverpool, it will remain a giant of English football and the third biggest club in the country.

This is also why Aston Villa has the reputation of being a mid-tier club in spite of winning the European Cup. 7 first division titles is not enough to be categorized as a big club and they haven’t finished in the top 3 for a very long time either.

That’s your opinion but all the clubs who have won the CL are regarded as big clubs around the world, top flight titles are great and the CL is the cherry on top / mark of a proper big club / elite team, this is the perception in the UK and most of Europe. I am sad that Arteta is damaging the history of Arsenal and while Pep is elevating City, now I scoff at the latter but it’s happening, this century your rep is built on what Wenger achieved, but dry spells in Europe hurt your reputation, Wenger got away with it due to the Invincibles and numerous top flight titles, but what does Arteta have to get away with it? I will take my hat off to him if he wins the EPL though

 

[Technics 1210]

It's just a exercise his faith in manager, one set of logic for Arteta, then same logic not being applied to others and vice versa.

So only competing for PL title matters

Usual copy paste essay will follow...

It transposes to other sports too.

2nd place in a Cricket tourney is an abject failure, a fluke, a deserved humiliation - but second place in a low rated footy league (his words) is considered success.

Klopp, regardless of what one might think, still ended up in 3 CL finals with Liverpool, winning 1 of them, coming second in the others. What a success! More CL achievements in the space of 3 seasons compared to the entire history of Arsenal.

 

[Mamoon]

That’s your opinion but all the clubs who have won the CL are regarded as big clubs around the world, top flight titles are great and the CL is the cherry on top / mark of a proper big club / elite team, this is the perception in the UK and most of Europe. I am sad that Arteta is damaging the history of Arsenal and while Pep is elevating City, now I scoff at the latter but it’s happening, this century your rep is built on what Wenger achieved, but dry spells in Europe hurt your reputation, Wenger got away with it due to the Invincibles and numerous top flight titles, but what does Arteta have to get away with it? I will take my hat off to him if he wins the EPL though

The reputation of Aston Villa is proof that success in Europe does not compensate for lack of domestic success.

Aston Villa would have been bigger than Arsenal had they won more first division titles.

Dry spells in Europe did not hurt Arsenal’s reputation. What hurt Arsenal’s reputation was not competing for the league title for the best part of 20 years.

Wenger never won in Europe but Arsenal enjoyed the reputation of being a major force and left a huge impression in the world of football between 1998 and 2005 because of winning multiple league titles.

Arteta has restored Arsenal’s reputation because he has Arsenal fighting for the title again. Arsenal is a club that let its standards drop for so long to the point where finishing fourth became a trophy for the club.

Arteta raised the bar and raised standards and expectations again. The same fan base who would have been delighted with finishing second few years ago now act like not winning the league would be a failure.

Arteta has put Arsenal back on the map and has made Arsenal into a serious force again. He has done what Wenger in the last decade of his Arsenal career and Emery failed to do.

There is no doubt that Arsenal will eventually win the league with Arteta. It will 100% happen. It is inevitable. If Arteta could take Arsenal from where they were to where they are now, he will also take them from this point to eventual champions.

He is a fantastic manager and his reputation as a top tier, elite manager is growing by the day.

 

[Mamoon]

It is not possible to reason with someone who disregards the Champions League & FA Cup, yet claims Arsenal are the best English club (despite not being a North London club, historically) - in a league they do not rate; in a sport they have never watched live.

Champions League is the gold standard in Club football, anyone who says otherwise has "Negative Ball Knowledge!"

Arsenal have won more FA Cups than any club in the country but their legacy and heritage is defined by the fact that they have the third most first division titles in the country and of course are the only team to go unbeaten in the league in the PL era.

Arsenal is one of the most highly respected institutions in football not because of their record in FA Cups but because of their success in terms of winning league titles.

Winning the FA Cup for Arsenal, United, City, Liverpool and Chelsea does absolutely nothing if they are not competing for the league title.

Ten Hag could get sacked even if he wins the FA Cup which would mean two domestic cups in two seasons but that is not good enough for a club like Manchester United because Ten Hag has failed to help them fight for the title.

The next Liverpool manager can win three FA Cups on the trot but if Liverpool are not fighting for the league title, he will get sacked.

Arsene Wenger won three FA Cups in his last four years at Arsenal but Arsenal fans were still not happy and they wanted him out because he was not fighting for the league title.

As far as the Champions League is concerned, you can have a poor season in the league and still win the Champions League.

Chelsea finished 6th in 2011/12, 25 points behind the champions and they still won the Champions League which shows that winning the Champions League doesn’t necessary make you the best in your country.

This is why winning league titles are more important than success in the UCL because you cannot win the league without being the best team in the league.

 

[shaz619]

The reputation of Aston Villa is proof that success in Europe does not compensate for lack of domestic success.

Aston Villa would have been bigger than Arsenal had they won more first division titles.

Dry spells in Europe did not hurt Arsenal’s reputation. What hurt Arsenal’s reputation was not competing for the league title for the best part of 20 years.

Wenger never won in Europe but Arsenal enjoyed the reputation of being a major force and left a huge impression in the world of football between 1998 and 2005 because of winning multiple league titles.

Arteta has restored Arsenal’s reputation because he has Arsenal fighting for the title again. Arsenal is a club that let its standards drop for so long to the point where finishing fourth became a trophy for the club.

Arteta raised the bar and raised standards and expectations again. The same fan base who would have been delighted with finishing second few years ago now act like not winning the league would be a failure.

Arteta has put Arsenal back on the map and has made Arsenal into a serious force again. He has done what Wenger in the last decade of his Arsenal career and Emery failed to do.

There is no doubt that Arsenal will eventually win the league with Arteta. It will 100% happen. It is inevitable. If Arteta could take Arsenal from where they were to where they are now, he will also take them from this point to eventual champions.

He is a fantastic manager and his reputation as a top tier, elite manager is growing by the day.

We’re not where we want to be but that’s something we have to fall back on, and the European Cup was more memorable than all the top flight titles we won combined, very few Villa fans even talk about those. Everybody here realises the size and weight of winning in Europe. Dry spells in Europe will hurt you if there’s nothing else to show, fighting for the title is good but coming up short again and again is damaging, I do hope he ends the City monopoly

 

[Technics 1210]

Arsenal have won more FA Cups than any club in the country .....

So now FA Cups count? A meaningless English tournament which is just a knockout tournament! Winning the FA Cup does not mean said team is the best in England. So save your meaningless trophy count.

 

[Amjid Javed]

More contradictions.

Supposedly Arteta cheerleader said Arsenal are winning league this season.

Now hes saying it will happen one day..

 

[MK7Z]

Kyle Walker is not world class and never has been. His main attribute is speed. Defensively he is good not world class.

Is he or has he ever been a good crosser? NO

He has been a beneficiary of a great team. The world class bar is low if Kyle Walker is classed as world class. He does not have any world class attribute.

Will go down as a good PL player who won some trophies when he moved to Man City. Was never pivotal like Aguero KDB Toure Kompany

 

[Amjid Javed]

It transposes to other sports too.

2nd place in a Cricket tourney is an abject failure, a fluke, a deserved humiliation - but second place in a low rated footy league (his words) is considered success.

Klopp, regardless of what one might think, still ended up in 3 CL finals with Liverpool, winning 1 of them, coming second in the others. What a success! More CL achievements in the space of 3 seasons compared to the entire history of Arsenal.

Spot on, another example of hypocrisy

 

[Mamoon]

So now FA Cups count? A meaningless English tournament which is just a knockout tournament! Winning the FA Cup does not mean said team is the best in England. So save your meaningless trophy count.

It appears that your comprehension skills are as poor as your football and cricket knowledge.

Who said FA Cups count? I can’t dumb it down further for you. This is the best that I could.

If you read my post again, or ask someone to dumb it down for you further, you will realize that I used Arsenal’s FA Cup record to drive home the point that for a big club, winning FA Cups DO NOT matter.

Arsenal are the record holders for FA Cups but their legacy and heritage are associated with the fact that they have third most first division titles, NOT with their FA Cups.

Similarly, Wenger won 3 FA Cups in 4 years but Arsenal fans were still unhappy and wanted him gone because he was not competing for the league.

Arsenal might finish this season without a trophy but this and the previous season are better than any of the 4 FA Cup winning seasons between 2014 and 2020 because Arsenal have competed for the PL.

 

[Mamoon]

It transposes to other sports too.

2nd place in a Cricket tourney is an abject failure, a fluke, a deserved humiliation - but second place in a low rated footy league (his words) is considered success.

Klopp, regardless of what one might think, still ended up in 3 CL finals with Liverpool, winning 1 of them, coming second in the others. What a success! More CL achievements in the space of 3 seasons compared to the entire history of Arsenal.

If Arteta spends 10 years at Arsenal and wins only 1 league title, I will look back at his era with disappointment just like Liverpool fans should look back at Klopp era with disappointment.

Disappointment because he had the potential to win at least two more league titles with the players that he had at his disposal.