Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

As long as the club brings in a major midfield signing this summer. Then having him as a backup is not an issue.

From spitting venom against Arteta and Edu for signing Jorginho and how he was a terrible signing because he is old and finished, you have conceded that having him as a backup is not an issue.

This was the whole purpose of this signing to begin with. He was never brought to be a starter, but not signing him would have meant more game time for the Elneny when Partey was unavailable.

Jorginho was a fantastic acquisition and he has more than played his role and will continue to do so next season as well whenever he will be called upon.

He is a top professional, a great influence on the young player and he is always ready to go even when he has not played for long.
 
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When jorghino was signed it was at a time when Arsenal needed players to help get them over the line, signed as so called experience yet did nothing to help Arsenal win a trophy or title last season.

same goes for kiwor at the time as well, he did nothing to help Arsenal go up a level when it was needed in 2nd half of the season. That average transfer window is one of reasons the club didn't win title. I said it at the time the lack of ambition and quality of player brought in would cost Arsenal title and it did last season.

Ultimately Arsenal have achieved nothing in regards to win trophies or PL titles , yet you think celebrating minor achievements in a season as some weak attempt at salvaging your weak reputation.
 
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Someone rambling nonsense again. After being humilated last season, seems like your lame attempts at nit picking and seeking validation will continue.

When jorghino was signed it was at a time when Arsenal needed players to help get them over the line, signed as so called experience yet did nothing to help Arsenal win a trophy or title last season.

same goes for kiwor at the time as well, he did nothing to help Arsenal go up a level when it was needed in 2nd half of the season. That average transfer window is one of reasons the club didn't win title. I said it at the time the lack of ambition and quality of player brought in would cost Arsenal title and it did last season.

The way you ramble on wanting validation is actually embarrassing

Ultimately Arsenal have achieved nothing in regards to win trophies or PL titles , yet you think celebrating minor achievements in a season as some weak attempt at salvaging your weak reputation.

Keep clutching at straws

What is the issue?

Why are you so pleased if Arsenal doesn't win? Absolutely shocking form of support!

Seems all you do is wait for Arsenal to fallover so you can claim some kind of points?
 
What is the issue?

Why are you so pleased if Arsenal doesn't win? Absolutely shocking form of support!

Seems all you do is wait for Arsenal to fallover so you can claim some kind of points?

Where have I ever shown I'm happy with Arsenal not winning?

Far from it, this thread is full of fans saying

Oh atleast we competed

Oh we should be proud we finished 2nd

Oh we should be proud we got to 1/4 finals of CL

All way through I've been consistent on my support for Arsena, il criticise where I see its warranted and I'll give praise where is warranted.

None of this fake positivity, because most Arsenal fans think you can't criticise the team etc or be honest.
 
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Citeh are so bluddy draining. I'm starting to hate them more than United.

New found respect for Liverpool fans keeping their sanity for several years up against this Juggernaut.
 
Keep an eye on GD. City have closed the gap to 2 goals.

Clinical from Pep.
Goal difference won't matter. Let me explain

Firstly if Arsenal don't win both their 2 games goal difference doesn't matter.

Arsenal win their next 2 games.

Let's say by 1 goal vs United and 1 vs Everton. Arsenal goal difference will be +4

Man City win their next 2 games goal difference is irrelevant.

City draw against spurs. Goal difference won't change. Arsenal's will still be better. By at least 3 goals assuming they beat United by 1.

So going into the final game of the season level on points City would have to better Arsenal's win by 3 clear goals. Yes it's possible but the point I am making is that GD is the least of Arsenal's worries.

If City smash 5 past spurs and draw their last game of the season arsenal would need to win their game by 2 clear goals. So yeah city 90% there to be honest.
 
When jorghino was signed it was at a time when Arsenal needed players to help get them over the line, signed as so called experience yet did nothing to help Arsenal win a trophy or title last season.

same goes for kiwor at the time as well, he did nothing to help Arsenal go up a level when it was needed in 2nd half of the season. That average transfer window is one of reasons the club didn't win title. I said it at the time the lack of ambition and quality of player brought in would cost Arsenal title and it did last season.

Ultimately Arsenal have achieved nothing in regards to win trophies or PL titles , yet you think celebrating minor achievements in a season as some weak attempt at salvaging your weak reputation.
this is just the beginning. Watch what happens in the coming years.

“Arteta should be sacked because Arsenal will never fight for the title under him”

“Odegaard is mentally weak and ghosts when Arsenal needs him”

“Jorginho will be a disastrous signing because he is finished”

“Martinelli is a top class winger and he has no technical limitations”

:klopp
 
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3 points. Dire performance but all about the points.

@Amjid Javed I remember you saying Arsenal never beaten both United And spurs away in the same season.

Hope this has satisfies you and challenges you give this team.

They keep ticking boxes. Brilliant set of players
 
3 points. Dire performance but all about the points.

@Amjid Javed I remember you saying Arsenal never beaten both United And spurs away in the same season.

Hope this has satisfies you and challenges you give this team.

They keep ticking boxes. Brilliant set of players
But but but history this and that 🤣
 
3 points. Dire performance but all about the points.

@Amjid Javed I remember you saying Arsenal never beaten both United And spurs away in the same season.

Hope this has satisfies you and challenges you give this team.

They keep ticking boxes. Brilliant set of players
Performance was irrelevant today, just had to win ugly.

Yeah 1978-79 was last time we beat both these sides in league away from home same season, so yeah they passed that challenge.

Also only 3rd time we've done double over united in PL.

Glad game is done and this thunderstorm thats just arrived wasn't here earlier in game
 
Another record for the team. Most wins in a 38 game season for us.

The standards are well and truly high.

Shame we probably will end up empty handed.
 
What is the issue?

Why are you so pleased if Arsenal doesn't win? Absolutely shocking form of support!

Seems all you do is wait for Arsenal to fallover so you can claim some kind of points?
Feel free to apply the so called logic to usual prime culprit.
 
3 points. Dire performance but all about the points.

@Amjid Javed I remember you saying Arsenal never beaten both United And spurs away in the same season.

Hope this has satisfies you and challenges you give this team.

They keep ticking boxes. Brilliant set of players

History is an indicator but not absolutely definitive

City have never even scored a goal at the Spurs stadium so according to history City have no chance but we obviously know that's not the case

Whatever the outcome Arsenal have been brilliant this season and the end margin will be very fine one way or the other

Tuesdays game will be strange because Ange/players will absolutely play to win whilst the majority of the fans will be wanting to lose
 
History is an indicator but not absolutely definitive

City have never even scored a goal at the Spurs stadium so according to history City have no chance but we obviously know that's not the case

Whatever the outcome Arsenal have been brilliant this season and the end margin will be very fine one way or the other

Tuesdays game will be strange because Ange/players will absolutely play to win whilst the majority of the fans will be wanting to lose
I agree. It's normally used as a reference point.

But eyes will tell you Arsenal are few levels above.

Ye we've been brilliant just a shame about city being so good in run ins.

Merse made a good point. If Liverpool beat Villa 2moro then spurs technically could still be in with a shout for champs league and have Sheffield United last game of the season where as Villa have Palace.

Glimmer of hope that Spurs won't bend over for them.

What do you think? I mean spurs trying their best probably won't beat city anyway but the narrative seems to be they won't even try.
 
Oh another positive fact. Most goals we've ever scored in a season.

Bluddy City!!!
 
While I'm at it. 11 away clean sheets bettered only by José's Chelsea by 1.

Bluddy City
 
While I'm at it. 11 away clean sheets bettered only by José's Chelsea by 1.

Bluddy City
I dont think anyone will break the least number of goals conceded by Chelsea in a PL season.

Arsenal 98/99 held the record before that which was 17 goals conceded, including just 5 at home
 
I agree. It's normally used as a reference point.

But eyes will tell you Arsenal are few levels above.

Ye we've been brilliant just a shame about city being so good in run ins.

Merse made a good point. If Liverpool beat Villa 2moro then spurs technically could still be in with a shout for champs league and have Sheffield United last game of the season where as Villa have Palace.

Glimmer of hope that Spurs won't bend over for them.

What do you think? I mean spurs trying their best probably won't beat city anyway but the narrative seems to be they won't even try.
Villa are running on fumes at moment and have two tough games vs liverpool and an in form palace. A few games ago 4th place looked done.

If spurs have to win game thar could play into city's hands, as if they are to gun ho They could get ripped apart.
 
this is just the beginning. Watch what happens in the coming years.

“Arteta should be sacked because Arsenal will never fight for the title under him”

“Odegaard is mentally weak and ghosts when Arsenal needs him”

“Jorginho will be a disastrous signing because he is finished”

“Martinelli is a top class winger and he has no technical limitations”

:klopp

"I will light fireworks"

"It's in the bag"

"I will throw rotten eggs and tomatos"


Greatest gems in PP history
 
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Rice is overated due to being English, just like Sancho, McGuire and others. Szobo is far superiour as I stated earlier and 40 million less, younger too.

Arteta could have bought Rice and a striker but he went for an average player who wouldnt make LFC bench in Havertz. Arteta has shown he is not very smart in transfers.
Salaam bro long time no speak. You still think your midfielder is superior than Rice?

How's he been doing recently?
 
I doubt Oshimehn would choose Arsenal over the likes of PSG, City, Madrid or even Barca and LFC. Forget the elites, Arsenal could still have bought an great talent for less than 100m.

Szobo can do what Rice does, even on a Sunday afternoon. Rice has a lot to prove. Hendo lifted the PL and CL trophy, only something Rice will dream of for the rest of his Arsenal career.
On a Sunday afternoon? How about the rest of the week 😉
 
I agree. It's normally used as a reference point.

But eyes will tell you Arsenal are few levels above.

Ye we've been brilliant just a shame about city being so good in run ins.

Merse made a good point. If Liverpool beat Villa 2moro then spurs technically could still be in with a shout for champs league and have Sheffield United last game of the season where as Villa have Palace.

Glimmer of hope that Spurs won't bend over for them.

What do you think? I mean spurs trying their best probably won't beat city anyway but the narrative seems to be they won't even try.

I definitely think Spurs will try and whilst majority of the fans probably want them to lose they won't actively support City

Go back to 95, Blackburn went to Anfield on the last day and they were fighting for the title with Man U and Liverpool beat them, Liverpool fans were happy, as it happens Man U couldn't beat West Ham so end result was still a Blackburn title win
 
I definitely think Spurs will try and whilst majority of the fans probably want them to lose they won't actively support City

Go back to 95, Blackburn went to Anfield on the last day and they were fighting for the title with Man U and Liverpool beat them, Liverpool fans were happy, as it happens Man U couldn't beat West Ham so end result was still a Blackburn title win

Yes i remember this season. I had the 101 Goals VHS for this and was full of crackers especially Matt Le Tissier. What a player he was by the way!
 
Yes i remember this season. I had the 101 Goals VHS for this and was full of crackers especially Matt Le Tissier. What a player he was by the way!
Loved scoring his best against us as well

Class player, wouldn't survive in the modern game with how lazy he was

Also, he's completely lost the plot and thinks everything is a conspiracy
 
Arsenal needs new LB and a central midfielder to team up with Rice as Partey can't be relied upon. Havertz doesn't work as LCM, he does well as false 9.

Not many reliable strikers on market. Likes of Isak and watkins are out of range $$$$$.
 
Arsenal needs new LB and a central midfielder to team up with Rice as Partey can't be relied upon. Havertz doesn't work as LCM, he does well as false 9.

Not many reliable strikers on market. Likes of Isak and watkins are out of range $$$$$.
I don't think Isak or Watkins are out of price range if I am honest. The board have backed Mikel can't see why they wouldn't now to complete the final piece.

Also we can raise funds by selling Ramsdale, Nelson, ESR , Nketiah potentially Partey and Zinchenko. Could easily raise around a 100 from them as they are all 15millon + players so probably more to be fair. as most are classed as home grown. Add that to the transfer budget I think it will be a active summer.
 
Loved scoring his best against us as well

Class player, wouldn't survive in the modern game with how lazy he was

Also, he's completely lost the plot and thinks everything is a conspiracy
Ye I've seen some podcast clips of him and his thoughts.

He is a funny guy though. Love the story he told when they signed who they believed to be George Weah's cousin Ali Diah.

Also when his spot fix went wrong and he was rushing to kick the ball out of play after kick off.

He scored such crackers that you don't see nowadays.
 
Arsenal needs new LB and a central midfielder to team up with Rice as Partey can't be relied upon. Havertz doesn't work as LCM, he does well as false 9.

Not many reliable strikers on market. Likes of Isak and watkins are out of range $$$$$.
Back up keeper, LB, Another CB, Another midfielder, A number 8, A striker

Plenty of holes to fill in the squad

Can't keep dropping cups and winning no league titles, season after season.
 
I don't think Isak or Watkins are out of price range if I am honest. The board have backed Mikel can't see why they wouldn't now to complete the final piece.

Also we can raise funds by selling Ramsdale, Nelson, ESR , Nketiah potentially Partey and Zinchenko. Could easily raise around a 100 from them as they are all 15millon + players so probably more to be fair. as most are classed as home grown. Add that to the transfer budget I think it will be a active summer.
Arsenal will get around 150M for league position. Then you have around 50M minimum guarantee from CL football next season. Money generated by club is thier to spend. Kronkes ain't putting any of their own money in.

Arsenal will have to massively improve on player sales, which is usually pretty pathetic. Usually cancelling contracts or giving players away for free.

The squad has a huge number of holes thar need filling In.

Also City are already looking at Paqueta, Kimmich, guiameres etc.. so they will be looking to strength even more so they can dominate even more.
 
I don't think Isak or Watkins are out of price range if I am honest. The board have backed Mikel can't see why they wouldn't now to complete the final piece.

Also we can raise funds by selling Ramsdale, Nelson, ESR , Nketiah potentially Partey and Zinchenko. Could easily raise around a 100 from them as they are all 15millon + players so probably more to be fair. as most are classed as home grown. Add that to the transfer budget I think it will be a active summer.
Not sure what you are likely to spend but a conversation with Isak doesn't even start at anything less than £100m imo

Think you would have to offer £120m for the conversation to even be seriously entertained and even then it would be on the basis Isak asks to move on
 
Salaam bro long time no speak. You still think your midfielder is superior than Rice?

How's he been doing recently?

Wslaam bro

Rice is of course very good but I still feel he is being overrated , being touted as premier league player of the season . Rice has had a few avg games recently but this is never picked up by analysts in England . Look at Mainoo has one or two great games but played avg in others but being talked of some great player .

It won’t matter if Arsenal win the league but if 2nd, which is almost certain imo games v Villa & Xmas losses will be talked of in more detail .

As for Spurs , they will play the same way , high up the pitch with little confidence. Arsenal need miracle
 
Not sure what you are likely to spend but a conversation with Isak doesn't even start at anything less than £100m imo

Think you would have to offer £120m for the conversation to even be seriously entertained and even then it would be on the basis Isak asks to move on
One good season does not merit a 100M price tag for a striker, add to that someone whose injury record is hit and miss. Also with the PSR rules being tightened up even more clubs asking for over inflated fees, for one season wonders will start to drop.

The entire transfer market will see teams having to demand less for players on sales. We saw brighton asking 100M for ferguson. Again over inflated price on hype

Their isn't a single striker in PL worth 100M tag outside of salah, but that's mainly because Saudi will pay a premium for him.

Seems just because Chelsea have thrown money around like confetti and Brighton have taken a few teams pants down with transfer fees that most clubs now think 100M is the price for one season wonders.
 
I would not call Isak a one season wonder. The quality is there to see although I do agree on the fitness front.

Having said that and Geordie will be able to confirm but hasn't he played quite a bit recently.

Same could be said about Ivan Toney which some Arsenal fans were begging for.

I know who I would pick if I had a choice
 
Wslaam bro

Rice is of course very good but I still feel he is being overrated , being touted as premier league player of the season . Rice has had a few avg games recently but this is never picked up by analysts in England . Look at Mainoo has one or two great games but played avg in others but being talked of some great player .

It won’t matter if Arsenal win the league but if 2nd, which is almost certain imo games v Villa & Xmas losses will be talked of in more detail .

As for Spurs , they will play the same way , high up the pitch with little confidence. Arsenal need miracle
Yes I will be here to talk about them. I will also join you on the Liverpool thread to talk about Palace defeat and dropping points to United not once but twice and matching ETH's 1st season. As well as the Europa League exit and Losing at OT.

Lots to discuss bro ;)
 
Yes I will be here to talk about them. I will also join you on the Liverpool thread to talk about Palace defeat and dropping points to United not once but twice and matching ETH's 1st season. As well as the Europa League exit and Losing at OT.

Lots to discuss bro ;)

No Liverpool fan expected us to win it at the start of the season . Of course being close towards the end it’s disappointing as your expectations change .

There is no difference between 2nd , 3rd & 4th . If there is no miracle , Liverpool 3rd with a trophy is better than 2nd with a dusty cupboard. 👀 ng forward to discussing this in a week or so 😊
 
I would not call Isak a one season wonder. The quality is there to see although I do agree on the fitness front.

Having said that and Geordie will be able to confirm but hasn't he played quite a bit recently.

Same could be said about Ivan Toney which some Arsenal fans were begging for.

I know who I would pick if I had a choice
If not a one season wonders then what?

Also the 100M price tag, I think people need to be drug tested as they are clearly high on something.

He played 22 PL games last season and 27 this season. That tells you for a starter his injury record isn't great.

Has he been good this season? Yes he has, 20 PL goals is a good return in a rugby / WWE style team.

At the same time you have players like Cole Palmer with 21, solanke on 19. So are these players 100M as well then on same basis?

I keep hearing that this 100M now for young players is mainly based on "potential"

Ivan toney and only Watkins are both more proven over a long period of time. Neither of these is a 100M striker either. So this isn't me just selecting a personal preference, this is me being honest on the state of strikers in the PL.

Also reality is Arsenal are heading for a 4th trophyless season, poor in Europe and poor in the cups.

Essentially the "striker" is meant to be the final piece of the jigsaw, the gun man that's going to make a difference in tight games, in Europe and Essentially win you titles.

Arsenal need a proven striker to get them over the line. Not another work in progress which Essentially will mean you continue to fall short where required.

Buying a striker for 100 M when reality is they would be a slight upgrade on the mediocre strikers at the Club isn't taking Arsenal to the next level.
 
Also the 100M price tag, I think people need to be drug tested as they are clearly high on something.

He played 22 PL games last season and 27 this season. That tells you for a starter his injury record isn't great.

Has he been good this season? Yes he has, 20 PL goals is a good return in a rugby / WWE style team.

At the same time you have players like Cole Palmer with 21, solanke on 19. So are these players 100M as well then on same basis?

I keep hearing that this 100M now for young players is mainly based on "potential"

Ivan toney and only Watkins are both more proven over a long period of time. Neither of these is a 100M striker either. So this isn't me just selecting a personal preference, this is me being honest on the state of strikers in the PL.

Also reality is Arsenal are heading for a 4th trophyless season, poor in Europe and poor in the cups.

Essentially the "striker" is meant to be the final piece of the jigsaw, the gun man that's going to make a difference in tight games, in Europe and Essentially win you titles.

Arsenal need a proven striker to get them over the line. Not another work in progress which Essentially will mean you continue to fall short where required.

Buying a striker for 100 M when reality is they would be a slight upgrade on the mediocre strikers at the Club isn't taking Arsenal to the next level.
Market is statured hence such high price tag. PL proven stars have more value especially if the other club isn't desperate to sell and player has years left on his contract. Caicedo had one great season as well but again market for defensive midfielder is statured and clubs are desperate to fill that option and we saw the bidding war between Chelsea and Liverpool

A cheaper option might be sesko from Leipzig but a high risk option as well.
 
No Liverpool fan expected us to win it at the start of the season . Of course being close towards the end it’s disappointing as your expectations change .

There is no difference between 2nd , 3rd & 4th . If there is no miracle , Liverpool 3rd with a trophy is better than 2nd with a dusty cupboard. 👀 ng forward to discussing this in a week or so 😊
Come on bro you predicted Liverpool to win the league on 4th August. All Liverpool fans are doing now are pretending they have over achieved this season, after thinking at one point you were winning 4 trophies, it end as a damp squib. I'm sure next season you will be getting over excited again 😉🤭

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Market is statured hence such high price tag. PL proven stars have more value especially if the other club isn't desperate to sell and player has years left on his contract. Caicedo had one great season as well but again market for defensive midfielder is statured and clubs are desperate to fill that option and we saw the bidding war between Chelsea and Liverpool

A cheaper option might be sesko from Leipzig but a high risk option as well.

The market was saturated before because the so called FFP rules were being abused by a lot of teams filling costs like dodgy tax dodgers do. Teams were throwing around TV money like confetti with no consequences. Now that the PSR rules are also in place and teams like Everton and Forest have been made examples of teams have been forced into curbing their spending. Why do you think the January TW was dead, because pretty much ever PL team realised, we can't sneakily disguise payments etc on our accounting books anymore and most teams were close to breaching PSR thresholds. So no one wanted points deductions.

So with teams now Essentially having less money to throw around, the value of transfers will start to drop. Teams like Brighton who were demanding 100M for every single 1 season wonder will find other teams will so no thanks. We ain't risking most of our transfer budget now on 1 player.

On top of that their are plenty of performing strikers in PL - Watkins, toney, solanke, son, palmer, Bowen

Even a donkey like Nicholas Jackson has 14 goals in his 1st season in PL

Apart from halaand and salah. Their are no elite strikers in the PL.

Do Arsenal need a striker? Yes. But isak isn't exactly the only striker available.

What bargaining position do Newcastle have? We want 100M. You think Arsenal are going to panic and think omg There are no other strikers out there we will have to pay over the odds 🤦‍♂️.

Arsenal aren't in a position of desperation when it comes to a striker. Also Newcastle will have to sell some players to be able to buy and improve their squad. By no means am I suggesting Newcastle are going to give players away on cheap, at same time clubs ain't going to be held to ransom like the last few seasons. Outside of haaland, mbappe, oshimen and salah, their are no players who merit a 100M price tag as a forward.

Unless Chelsea or United are stupid enough like last few season to throw around money needlessly, no other clubs are.

On top of that 100M for a striker should be taking to to the next level domestically and in Europe. Not 100M project player he might come good in 3 or 4 years time, that's no benefit to an Arsenal team that's struggling to get over the line against elite opposition
 
Come on bro you predicted Liverpool to win the league on 4th August. All Liverpool fans are doing now are pretending they have over achieved this season, after thinking at one point you were winning 4 trophies, it end as a damp squib. I'm sure next season you will be getting over excited again 😉🤭

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I was backing my team & wasn’t too far off . Liverpool were much higher odds finishing 3rd , City evens & Arsenal around 2-1 . By January expectations did grow but never realistic when you’re up against city .

We came 2nd twice with huge points , once 97 but wasn’t enough . You need a lead on City with 5 games to go or you’re coming 2nd . City are going for a record 4th straight premier league . Imo this will ensure this team is the greatest in league history going back to the 1800’s & pep greatest manger.

I’m a neutral , if Arsenal get this miracle , it would be a great story , same goes for city .

All 3 teams are in good shape to win silverware for the next 5 years. But to win the pl up against this city team . You have to be near perfect or hope they have a very poor start .

No trophies esp the 2 big ones means nothing in history . It’s a bit strange to see Arteta & some Arsenal fans tho already believing they have done something great this season . Liverpool & fans never felt this coming 2nd with newly 100 points .

It’s going down to the last game. In sport miracles do happen , Arsenal could make history but joy should only be shown if it happens .
 
From an Arsenal fan perspective whats the ideal result tonight?

Liverpool to win so Spurs have more incentive to beat City to try and get 4th?
 
I was backing my team & wasn’t too far off . Liverpool were much higher odds finishing 3rd , City evens & Arsenal around 2-1 . By January expectations did grow but never realistic when you’re up against city .

We came 2nd twice with huge points , once 97 but wasn’t enough . You need a lead on City with 5 games to go or you’re coming 2nd . City are going for a record 4th straight premier league . Imo this will ensure this team is the greatest in league history going back to the 1800’s & pep greatest manger.

I’m a neutral , if Arsenal get this miracle , it would be a great story , same goes for city .

All 3 teams are in good shape to win silverware for the next 5 years. But to win the pl up against this city team . You have to be near perfect or hope they have a very poor start .

No trophies esp the 2 big ones means nothing in history . It’s a bit strange to see Arteta & some Arsenal fans tho already believing they have done something great this season . Liverpool & fans never felt this coming 2nd with newly 100 points .

It’s going down to the last game. In sport miracles do happen , Arsenal could make history but joy should only be shown if it happens .
Yeah I know you were backing your team, but with you re-stocking your midfield (which season before was non-existent) you were always going going to challenge. Problem has been apart from salah, the rest of your strikers are donkeys and unreliable. If you had a Bowen or a Watkins / Toney in your side instead of Diaz, gapko and nunez you would still be in title race. So will see if you improve your forwards next season.

Yeah up against this City team you do have to start season fast and maintain it, they do give you chances though. Liverpool should have been looking at 3 PL titles under klopp and this has been Arsenal's 2nd chance to do so. City will give you a chance, but once you give the initiative back that's it your dead.

Thats what happens at the top end of all elite sports against good sides, or good individuals you will get a sniff take it.

But yeah if you finish 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc.. its essentially nothing for a big club. But to many fans these days are using competing as some sort of medal of honour because they don't know what proper success is or its their way of thinking they are a proper fan. To scared to demand their club push that extra yard for success.

Fake cheerleading
 
From an Arsenal fan perspective whats the ideal result tonight?

Liverpool to win so Spurs have more incentive to beat City to try and get 4th?
Tonight's game doesn't make no difference to be honest.

The irony is that those Arsenal fans with actual standards that demand success from the club and judge that on trophies. Call the club out on its failures are called fake fans and spurs fans.

Oh you should be happy competing etc.. at least we tried etc..

These same fans happy with "progress" will be beging and hoping spurs do Arsenal a favour tomorrow...

Even got players like havertz saying he will be supporting spurs, sums up the dumb mentality

There is the irony.. but but your a spurs fan...
 
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Tonight's game doesn't make no difference to be honest.

The irony is that those Arsenal fans with actual standards that demand success from the club and judge that on trophies. Call the club out on its failures are called fake fans and spurs fans.

Oh you should be happy competing etc... at least we tried etc..

These same fans happy with "progress" will be beging and hoping spurs do Arsenal a favour tomorrow...

Even got players like havertz saying he will be supporting spurs, sums up the dumb mentality

There is the irony.. but but your a spurs fan...
Bro unless you win every game of the season you are always relying on other results going your way at some point

Just happens to be Spurs this time. Big deal.

You mention mentality a lot. I personally don't have such a pessimistic outlook as you'll just end up seeming miserable.
 
Come on bro you predicted Liverpool to win the league on 4th August. All Liverpool fans are doing now are pretending they have over achieved this season, after thinking at one point you were winning 4 trophies, it end as a damp squib. I'm sure next season you will be getting over excited again 😉🤭

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Haha fantastic bump. Love it
 
No Liverpool fan expected us to win it at the start of the season . Of course being close towards the end it’s disappointing as your expectations change .

There is no difference between 2nd , 3rd & 4th . If there is no miracle , Liverpool 3rd with a trophy is better than 2nd with a dusty cupboard. 👀 ng forward to discussing this in a week or so 😊
We won the English Super cup in August remember to cover the dust 😂😂😜
 
Bro unless you win every game of the season you are always relying on other results going your way at some point

Just happens to be Spurs this time. Big deal.

You mention mentality a lot. I personally don't have such a pessimistic outlook as you'll just end up seeming miserable.
Bro both Liverpool and Arsenal were in a position where City were requiring not 1 but 2 snookers in title race. Both teams dropped the ball in the same weekend.

City give you 1 chance usually and you got to take it, run and cash the cheque in.

So since then yeah both teams have needed favours from other teams. Neither side should have allowed that to happen.

Arsenal need a favour from spurs back in 98/99 on last day of season. After losing lead in title race at Leeds the game before. One thing il never do is resort to begging or wanting spurs to beat someone.

My main point was on the irony of some Arsenal fans calling other spurs fans, because they don't on their views. Same fans will have their prayer mats out supporting spurs. (Generally across the fan base - not saying this is you).
 

Pep is having a slight dig at Arsenal here.
Basically, when the going got tough, they cracked and handed the title initiative to the unstoppable juggernaut.
Its all end of season mind game, but as I just mentioned in a discussion with @MK7Z @KingKhanWC - city give you one chance, which Liverpool have had in title races and Arsenal have as well. But once you had the initiative back you are done.

City go into cup final, winner stays on game mode. A mentality that dropping points is failure and has consequences. Whereas if Arsenal or Liverpool do so it's. Oh well we were up against Pep and at least we competed.

At elite level, that extra 1 or 2% from an elite mindset, knowing their is accountability on failure will help you succeed more than failing.

I actually think this time round City may have though one of Liverpool or Arsenal may have slipped up, but not both at sane time they did.
 
I would not call Isak a one season wonder. The quality is there to see although I do agree on the fitness front.

Having said that and Geordie will be able to confirm but hasn't he played quite a bit recently.

Same could be said about Ivan Toney which some Arsenal fans were begging for.

I know who I would pick if I had a choice
Calling Isak a one season wonder is peak ignorance

Also, you are spot on. He's been fine thus season, last season he had a couple of injuries but his situation has been compounded by Wilson being made of glass. Wilson is constantly injured so Isak gets ran into the ground.

Our 3rd choice striker is basically Gordon but the injuries to Barnes/Willock/Joelinton meant we didn't even have that luxury
 
One good season does not merit a 100M price tag for a striker, add to that someone whose injury record is hit and miss. Also with the PSR rules being tightened up even more clubs asking for over inflated fees, for one season wonders will start to drop.

The entire transfer market will see teams having to demand less for players on sales. We saw brighton asking 100M for ferguson. Again over inflated price on hype

Their isn't a single striker in PL worth 100M tag outside of salah, but that's mainly because Saudi will pay a premium for him.

Seems just because Chelsea have thrown money around like confetti and Brighton have taken a few teams pants down with transfer fees that most clubs now think 100M is the price for one season wonders.
I think you are mistaken, whether it's one game, one season or 5 seasons is immaterial

The price tag is determined by the club that has the player, only arrogance of a team that is looking to buy a player will suggest a player should be less

We have every right to ask for £100m plus, what you or anyone else thinks about valuations is irrelevant. If Arsenal don't think he's worth that then that's fine, they can find a different player

And before you ask, I have the same opinion when it comes to players we buy. For example I would love us to sign Olise, I would not criticise Palace if they say they want £60m+ for us, they have every right to ask what they want
 
Calling Isak a one season wonder is peak ignorance

Also, you are spot on. He's been fine thus season, last season he had a couple of injuries but his situation has been compounded by Wilson being made of glass. Wilson is constantly injured so Isak gets ran into the ground.

Our 3rd choice striker is basically Gordon but the injuries to Barnes/Willock/Joelinton meant we didn't even have that luxury

He is a 1 season wonder stats don't lie.

He had 1 good season at sociedad and otherwise his goal output was mediocre to say the least.

He's had 1 good season at Newcastle this season. 22 games last season ain't a success and proves he can stay fit.

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Does he have potential - Yes
But his poor injury record and indifferent goal out put shows he's no where near fully proven level yet

Even a bang average striker like solanke has nearly 20 PL goals, so on that same basis he must he proven as well
 
He is a 1 season wonder stats don't lie.

He had 1 good season at sociedad and otherwise his goal output was mediocre to say the least.

He's had 1 good season at Newcastle this season. 22 games last season ain't a success and proves he can stay fit.

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Does he have potential - Yes
But his poor injury record and indifferent goal out put shows he's no where near fully proven level yet

Even a bang average striker like solanke has nearly 20 PL goals, so on that same basis he must he proven as well
He was very good last season and he's even better this season, that's more than 1 season

30 in 49 games (not all starts) for a "wwe" side is pretty impressive

He was good for Sociedad hence we paid £63m for him

But football is more than raw numbers, so sharing Wikipedia is irrelevant to the point
 
I think you are mistaken, whether it's one game, one season or 5 seasons is immaterial

The price tag is determined by the club that has the player, only arrogance of a team that is looking to buy a player will suggest a player should be less

We have every right to ask for £100m plus, what you or anyone else thinks about valuations is irrelevant. If Arsenal don't think he's worth that then that's fine, they can find a different player

And before you ask, I have the same opinion when it comes to players we buy. For example I would love us to sign Olise, I would not criticise Palace if they say they want £60m+ for us, they have every right to ask what they want
Newcastle can demand what ever they want, just like Brighton do. But I mentioned before with PSR rules been tightened up, teams are going to be less inclined on taking high risk transfers on players for over inflated transfer fees.

You will start to see every clubs having to climb off their High horses with their stupid demands on transfer fees. Reality is isak has had 1 good season at Newcastle, that's a fact. If you think his 1st season playing just 22 games is a success just shows how low your standards.

Isak right now interns of output performance is not much better than solanke at Bournemouth. So using your logic Bournemouth should be demanding 120M for him as well.

Maybe Chelsea should demand 100M for Jackson as he's got 14 goals in his 1st season.

The quality of strikers barring haaland and salah, is average at best.

Isak, solanke, toney, Watkins etc.. are all essentially players who play for teams who play on counter attack and need space to thrive on, you go to a big club your playing against teams who will give you less space and usually mid or low blocks, completely different ball game then.

Don't get me wrong isak will develop into a very good player. But 100M for a one season wonder, can't stat fit and indifferent goal return.

Top clubs are looking for strikers to make the difference in big games, both domestically and in Europe. Isaks record does nothing from a fitness or goal scoring outpoint of to show right now he's got to elevate an Arsenal or a Liverpool to next level.
 
He was very good last season and he's even better this season, that's more than 1 season

30 in 49 games (not all starts) for a "wwe" side is pretty impressive

He was good for Sociedad hence we paid £63m for him

But football is more than raw numbers, so sharing Wikipedia is irrelevant to the point
Very good? 🤣 22 games is not good season, the guy can't even stay fit.

Both Watkins and Toney have similar goal outputs and better fitness records.

He had 1 good season at Sociedad and they were demanding 70M of Arsenal at a time where he had scored 4 goals in a season. Arsenal rightly declined the transfer.

So Newcastle want 100-120M for what?

So Arsenal essentially would be signing a player who can't stay fit. What benefit is that having a main striker who can only play 20 or so PL game a season.

On top of that his goal out put isn't Any better than Watkins or Toney.

100M plus should be getting you a striker that takes you to next level, not a work in progress
 
Newcastle can demand what ever they want, just like Brighton do. But I mentioned before with PSR rules been tightened up, teams are going to be less inclined on taking high risk transfers on players for over inflated transfer fees.

You will start to see every clubs having to climb off their High horses with their stupid demands on transfer fees. Reality is isak has had 1 good season at Newcastle, that's a fact. If you think his 1st season playing just 22 games is a success just shows how low your standards.

Isak right now interns of output performance is not much better than solanke at Bournemouth. So using your logic Bournemouth should be demanding 120M for him as well.

Maybe Chelsea should demand 100M for Jackson as he's got 14 goals in his 1st season.

The quality of strikers barring haaland and salah, is average at best.

Isak, solanke, toney, Watkins etc.. are all essentially players who play for teams who play on counter attack and need space to thrive on, you go to a big club your playing against teams who will give you less space and usually mid or low blocks, completely different ball game then.

Don't get me wrong isak will develop into a very good player. But 100M for a one season wonder, can't stat fit and indifferent goal return.

Top clubs are looking for strikers to make the difference in big games, both domestically and in Europe. Isaks record does nothing from a fitness or goal scoring outpoint of to show right now he's got to elevate an Arsenal or a Liverpool to next level.

Of course I understand why clubs won't want to spend big and that's totally fine

High horses? This is precisely the arrogance I am talking about. The selling club can ask for what they like without being insulted. The buying club can walk away. No issues but stating a club is on a high horse for wanting a fee that's acceptable to them is peak arrogance. I have no interest in selling my house, if someone wanted it i'd ask for £20k above "market value", does that mean I am on a "high horse" or I am simply not interested in selling

You keep going on about Solanke? If you think 2 players scoring the same amount of goals makes them equal then clearly football isn't for you. As for Bournemouth they can ask for what they like, that's their prerogative and he's obviously a valuable player to them.

Chelsea can demand what they like for Jackson. Again at no stage have I stated X number of goals = Y Value, that's just you going off on a tangent and thinking goals as a comparison is how you judge players

Your main striker has scored 4 league goals this season, I'm fairly certain Isak can elevate you beyond that. Anyhow, as I said he's not for a sale and hopefully Arsenal have the same thought process as you when it comes to Isak
 
Very good? 🤣 22 games is not good season, the guy can't even stay fit.

Both Watkins and Toney have similar goal outputs and better fitness records.

He had 1 good season at Sociedad and they were demanding 70M of Arsenal at a time where he had scored 4 goals in a season. Arsenal rightly declined the transfer.

So Newcastle want 100-120M for what?

So Arsenal essentially would be signing a player who can't stay fit. What benefit is that having a main striker who can only play 20 or so PL game a season.

On top of that his goal out put isn't Any better than Watkins or Toney.

100M plus should be getting you a striker that takes you to next level, not a work in progress

I said he was very good, not that it was a very good season, there is a difference between the two. The injury hit season meant it could never be described as good but the games he did play he was very good.

In a stop start season he was in the top 10 for goals per 90 and this season he is only behind Haaland (and Duran) for goals per 90

He scored 6 goals actually and it's how we managed to sign him ahead of other bigger clubs since they weren't prepared to take the risk. Whilst Arsenal understandably declined the transfer, looking back knowing what you know now it was obviously a mistake

Can't stay fit? This season he's played in 37 games overall and 27 in the league and that includes a few games where he was rotated for Wilson. Look at his injury history and he's had one big injury hit season (last season), outside of that he's been relatively fit. What doesn't help him is Wilson is made of glass so he ends up pushing his body beyond the limit.

You keep going on about goal output as if it's the only thing to judge players on. As it happens Watkins and Toney have attributes that Isak doesn't and he has things they don't.

All 3 names you have mentioned would step you up a level
 
Of course I understand why clubs won't want to spend big and that's totally fine

High horses? This is precisely the arrogance I am talking about. The selling club can ask for what they like without being insulted. The buying club can walk away. No issues but stating a club is on a high horse for wanting a fee that's acceptable to them is peak arrogance. I have no interest in selling my house, if someone wanted it i'd ask for £20k above "market value", does that mean I am on a "high horse" or I am simply not interested in selling

You keep going on about Solanke? If you think 2 players scoring the same amount of goals makes them equal then clearly football isn't for you. As for Bournemouth they can ask for what they like, that's their prerogative and he's obviously a valuable player to them.

Chelsea can demand what they like for Jackson. Again at no stage have I stated X number of goals = Y Value, that's just you going off on a tangent and thinking goals as a comparison is how you judge players

Your main striker has scored 4 league goals this season, I'm fairly certain Isak can elevate you beyond that. Anyhow, as I said he's not for a sale and hopefully Arsenal have the same thought process as you when it comes to Isak
Arrogance? No arrogance at all. I suggest you go back and read what I wrote. I said if Newcastle or Brighton want to demand high fees fair enough, I also said that I don't I don't expect players to give players cheaply either. But you conviently choose to ignore that point.

Currently in PL most teams seem to think 1 good season for a player means a 100M price tag because Chelsea and United distorted the market signing donkeys like Antony and mudryk. At Same time because clubs are going to have to reign in spending
, naturally transfer fees will come down.

Jesus has 4 goals this season, the guys a B-tec lacazette and Nketiah is trash as well. So upgrading on trash isn't exactly hard. Chris woods from forrest would be an upgrade on Jesus, doesn't mean Arsenal should go sign him.

This silly logic where people think of he's better then runnarson, he's better holding, he's better than lakonga, he's better than Jesus.. upgrading on trash.

Arsenal should be looking to compete on all 4 fronts and winning trophies and looking to win in Europe. To do that consistently you need an elite striker.

Isak right now is nowhere near elite.

22 games and 27 games in 2 seasons in PL is poor from a fitness point of view. Arsenal ain't looking to splash 100M on a striker to play around 20 PL games a season as some sort of rotation option. This is a signing which will be the main striker in PL and CL and will make the difference in both.

Then you take about hindsight, why would Arsenal regret not signing isak before. Arsenal were linked to him when in a top 4 race, they were clearing wage bill etc.. and they should have take a 70M risk on a player that scored 6 goals in a season? At a time where club weren't spending loads on transfers.

Last season Arsenal were in a title race, isak was struggling to play more than 22 PL games. So again. Where in hindsight have Arsenal made a mistake?

Isak, Toney and Watkins are all better than the Jesus and Nketiah. But none of those strikers justify a 100M price tag.

100M should be getting you a elite difference maker in current market. Not a work in progress.

Brighton wanted 100m for ferguson based on 6 goals in 19 games last season. 100M for a player who hadn't even played more than half a season.

Arsenal ain't man city where they have the luxury of risking 100M on a player and it not working out. The whole reason Arsenal have holes in squad is because of the hit and miss transfer over last few seasons.

100M on strikers that can't even play 30 PL games In a season is ridiculous
 
To add to my last post you talk about isak being a rotation option with Wilson.

You think a team wanting to win PL and CL is going to go, yeah let's spend 100M on a rotation option.

100M striker is guy you expect to playing most of your PL and CL and win you those trophies.

It's not oh let's spend 100M and we will use him as bench player if it doesn't work out 🤦‍♂️
 
Not sure where the 100M price tag came from but every transfer has an element of risk.

Take Rice for example, very little talk about his price tag however the chelsea duo are constantly mentioned along with their price tag. Same goes with Ben White.

The market is messed up and it may well be clubs cant demand high fee's but 100 million is not unique anymore.

Any striker imo would cost around 100m's barring Toney who I think will end up at Spurs anyway for about 50.

I think the rotation point Geordie was making was that for a team that gives up possession he has to get through a lot of work which takes it's toll.

Either way we'll be getting a striker I hope and would love to hear other options.
 
Not sure where the 100M price tag came from but every transfer has an element of risk.

Take Rice for example, very little talk about his price tag however the chelsea duo are constantly mentioned along with their price tag. Same goes with Ben White.

The market is messed up and it may well be clubs cant demand high fee's but 100 million is not unique anymore.

Any striker imo would cost around 100m's barring Toney who I think will end up at Spurs anyway for about 50.

I think the rotation point Geordie was making was that for a team that gives up possession he has to get through a lot of work which takes it's toll.

Either way we'll be getting a striker I hope and would love to hear other options.
100M came from brother GA saying thats the price the convo starts and 120M to sign.

Yeah every transfer is a risk. Also yes the market is messed up. Why because United and Chelsea decided to over pay on trash like mudryk and Anthony. On top of that City paid 100M on grealish. So rightly or wrong every club now thinks 1 good season is now Essentially an indicator a player is worth 100M.

Caciedo nor Enzo were 100M players. But they knew Chelsea were desperate took advantage.

We have the next raft of player fergerson and isak, both whose injury records in PL ain't great, they have 1 good season and oh it's 100M.

100M for injury prone players that can just about string 20 games in PL. These guys ain't going to Arsenal or Liverpool as a "rotation option". Both these clubs need ready made proven strikers if they want to get one over man city.

As I mentioned before the PSR rules are indicating you can spend between 70-80% of your turnover. So clubs are going to have to be smarter with their spending. Apart from Chelsea who will continue to be dumb.

So big clubs are going to be less inclined on risking 100M on "potential"

Is a ferguson or isak going to make a difference in a title race? Are they going to get you goals that win you or get you to a European final?

Arsensl right now should be looking at your Allision, van dyk type signings. The ones that are going to take you up a level. Not oh this kid may come good in 2 or 3 seasons.

In regards to isak being rotated at Newcastle fair enough. But big clubs if they sign him are going to want him to be main striker in PL and CL. The guys struggling to stay fit at Newcastle.

Last thing Arsenal need is another Jesus type striker where half the season he's unavailable.

If isak had played 2 full seasons, injury free at Newcastle its a different conversation, same goes for fergeruson

Maybe Arsensl should offer ESR to Newcastle for 100M, as hes had 1 good season. Clearly being injured and unavailable isnt an issue to some fans.
 
If look at what Arsenal's squad will be like next season

GK - Raya
FB - White / Tomi / Timber
CB - saliba / Gabriel / kiwor
Midfield - Rice, jorghino
AM - oddegard
Wingers - Saka / Martinelli
Strikers - Jesus / Havertz

Your looking at ramsdale, cedric, elneny, ESR, Vieira, lakonga, tavares, Tierney, nketitah, Nelson all going

On top of that probably Zinchenko and partey.

So your then looking at 7 players being needed to be brought in the positions I have listed above. You have PSR restrictions, Arsenal being **** poor on player sales. An elite striker and midfield signings needed which ain't coming cheap.

But let's splash 100 M on injury prone / not fully proven strikers. What moneys left for rest of the holes in squad.

This team should be competing on all fronts, this "projected ended" when it was in a title race last season.
 
From an Arsenal fan perspective whats the ideal result tonight?

Liverpool to win so Spurs have more incentive to beat City to try and get 4th?
Regardless of what the situation is, Spurs players will do their best today. People need to understand the difference between fan mentality and that of the players and managers.

Most players and managers, especially the foreign ones, don't care much about local rivalries to the point that they would deliberately underperform or lack intensity because they wouldn't want Arsenal to win the league.

Players are professionals at the end of the day and their motivations are different from the fans. There is no doubt a lot of Spurs fan want to get beat today, but that will mean nothing to Ange and the players when they step onto the pitch today.

City are very likely to win not because Spurs would roll over to deny Arsenal but because City are much better, but you can't rule out Spurs especially at home.

Ange was visibly annoyed with the questions about Spurs' intentions today and I don't blame him. Absolute embarrassing questions by the journalists and I feel bad for him because if Spurs were to lose today, he will have to face the same questions and allegations after the game.
 
This favor narrative needs to be put to bed anyway. Beating Spurs today will yield City the same points as their other 27 wins. Teams that have taken points off City this season including Spurs in December didn't do Arsenal any favors just like Aston Villa, Fulham, West Ham and others didn't do City favors by taking points off Arsenal.

Whoever has the most points after 38 games will win. As simple as that. These favor BS means nothing.
 
Regardless of what the situation is, Spurs players will do their best today. People need to understand the difference between fan mentality and that of the players and managers.

Most players and managers, especially the foreign ones, don't care much about local rivalries to the point that they would deliberately underperform or lack intensity because they wouldn't want Arsenal to win the league.

Players are professionals at the end of the day and their motivations are different from the fans. There is no doubt a lot of Spurs fan want to get beat today, but that will mean nothing to Ange and the players when they step onto the pitch today.

City are very likely to win not because Spurs would roll over to deny Arsenal but because City are much better, but you can't rule out Spurs especially at home.

Ange was visibly annoyed with the questions about Spurs' intentions today and I don't blame him. Absolute embarrassing questions by the journalists and I feel bad for him because if Spurs were to lose today, he will have to face the same questions and allegations after the game.
Yeah agreed. It adds an interesting narrative to what is a fantastic end to the season but on the pitch it won't make a difference.

I have seen Spurs fans happy to sacrifice the champions league to ensure Arsenal wont win but yeah it won't influence Ange, the players and most importantly the Chairman wouldn't want to commit what would essentially the footballing version of a suicide bombing.
 
People give to much credit to Spurs.

The best this Spurs team could possibly be would not beat Man City if Man City even played at 50%.

The Narrative as though Spurs will lose on purpose is stupid as it makes out as though they would defo win if they tried.
 
People give to much credit to Spurs.

The best this Spurs team could possibly be would not beat Man City if Man City even played at 50%.

The Narrative as though Spurs will lose on purpose is stupid as it makes out as though they would defo win if they tried.
This is true, but it would also be a foolish to complete rule Spurs out.

They drew 3-3 at Etihad earlier in the season and this is by far the toughest test for City since playing Arsenal at home.

If City win today and also beat West Ham and Arsenal beat Everton, Arsenal fans should be proud of the effort and then it will be time to look ahead to next season.

Arteta and the players have clearly showed that the allegations that they cannot hold their nerve in tough fixtures in April/May are no longer applicable.

Absolutely incredible form in the run in other than the one result vs Villa. People will look back and blame that result but for me, 1 point vs Fulham over two games did more damage.

Nonetheless, a very exciting time to be an Arsenal fan and there should be no doubt (unless you are driving an agenda) that Arsenal in a great place and there is a feeling of inevitably about Arsenal eventually winning 1-2, if not more, league titles under Arteta in the coming years.

2024-2030 could be a glorious period for Arsenal, much like 1997-2005. This is the best period for the club in the last 20 years. Arsenal are finally looking the part and looking like a proper big club that has the ambition and the intention to fight for the league every season.
 
Not sure where the 100M price tag came from but every transfer has an element of risk.

Take Rice for example, very little talk about his price tag however the chelsea duo are constantly mentioned along with their price tag. Same goes with Ben White.

The market is messed up and it may well be clubs cant demand high fee's but 100 million is not unique anymore.

Any striker imo would cost around 100m's barring Toney who I think will end up at Spurs anyway for about 50.

I think the rotation point Geordie was making was that for a team that gives up possession he has to get through a lot of work which takes it's toll.

Either way we'll be getting a striker I hope and would love to hear other options.

That's exactly it, he's not a rotational striker

He is our number 1 striker and there is no doubt about that, he just shouldn't be playing every minute of every game and that's why he needs to miss the odd game here and there, however Wilson being made of glass means he gets pushed beyond his limit

Our style of play is high intensity, one of the highest in the league and we don't really control possession so the demands on players are than if they are playing for City or even Arsenal

The reality is if Arsenal want a top striker they are going to have to pay big money, if they don't want to pay big money they won't get themselves an elite striker
 
The reality is if Arsenal want a top striker they are going to have to pay big money, if they don't want to pay big money they won't get themselves an elite striker

if Arsenal want a top striker then yeah paying over 100M For an oshimen will have to be done.

Isak not fully proven, not his his injury record that great. He's a work in progress.

Don't know what drugs they are handing out over in Newcastle but isak is nowhere near elite level.

All of a sudden 1 good season and players are elite 🤣🤦‍♂️
 
Arrogance? No arrogance at all. I suggest you go back and read what I wrote. I said if Newcastle or Brighton want to demand high fees fair enough, I also said that I don't I don't expect players to give players cheaply either. But you conviently choose to ignore that point.

Currently in PL most teams seem to think 1 good season for a player means a 100M price tag because Chelsea and United distorted the market signing donkeys like Antony and mudryk. At Same time because clubs are going to have to reign in spending
, naturally transfer fees will come down.

Jesus has 4 goals this season, the guys a B-tec lacazette and Nketiah is trash as well. So upgrading on trash isn't exactly hard. Chris woods from forrest would be an upgrade on Jesus, doesn't mean Arsenal should go sign him.

This silly logic where people think of he's better then runnarson, he's better holding, he's better than lakonga, he's better than Jesus.. upgrading on trash.

Arsenal should be looking to compete on all 4 fronts and winning trophies and looking to win in Europe. To do that consistently you need an elite striker.

Isak right now is nowhere near elite.

22 games and 27 games in 2 seasons in PL is poor from a fitness point of view. Arsenal ain't looking to splash 100M on a striker to play around 20 PL games a season as some sort of rotation option. This is a signing which will be the main striker in PL and CL and will make the difference in both.

Then you take about hindsight, why would Arsenal regret not signing isak before. Arsenal were linked to him when in a top 4 race, they were clearing wage bill etc.. and they should have take a 70M risk on a player that scored 6 goals in a season? At a time where club weren't spending loads on transfers.

Last season Arsenal were in a title race, isak was struggling to play more than 22 PL games. So again. Where in hindsight have Arsenal made a mistake?

Isak, Toney and Watkins are all better than the Jesus and Nketiah. But none of those strikers justify a 100M price tag.

100M should be getting you a elite difference maker in current market. Not a work in progress.

Brighton wanted 100m for ferguson based on 6 goals in 19 games last season. 100M for a player who hadn't even played more than half a season.

Arsenal ain't man city where they have the luxury of risking 100M on a player and it not working out. The whole reason Arsenal have holes in squad is because of the hit and miss transfer over last few seasons.

100M on strikers that can't even play 30 PL games In a season is ridiculous

The arrogance was based on getting off their high horses, demanding money for your own player is not a high horse stance. It's perfectly reasonable for any club to demand a fee that is acceptable to them and similarly it is perfectly acceptable for a buying club to try to negotiate that down or walk away

Don't just blame those clubs, though they are the worst culprits. What did Arsenal pay for Pepe? That didn't help the market.

I've seen Chris Wood up close, he would not be an upgrade on any of the strikers you have. You really need to stop judging footballers based on stats from wikipedia

Again, you are looking at the transfer based on the situation on the time. I can understand why at the time Arsenal would have walked away but my point was around hindsight and absolutely it's a mistake. Especially since a lot of Arsenal fans are desperate to sign him, for an amount larger than he was available for. Also he wasn't £70m , it's £58m rising to £63m.

I don't think Brighton were demanding that amount based on 6 goals, you keep going on about goals as if they are a measure of value. That amount was mentioned because primarily they don't have to sell him so they slapped a huge fee on his head to scare teams away and also it's based on potential, they think based on his age/talent that he'll be worth a lot of money over the years. Now, whether that turns into reality is irrelevant, they are entitled to demand what they like

Final point, if you don't think Isak is anywhere near elite then clearly we see football through a different lens. Plus you need to have a word with a lot of Arsenal fans that are desperate for him to join, not sure why they want someone that is "nowhere near elite"
 
Regardless of what the situation is, Spurs players will do their best today. People need to understand the difference between fan mentality and that of the players and managers.

Most players and managers, especially the foreign ones, don't care much about local rivalries to the point that they would deliberately underperform or lack intensity because they wouldn't want Arsenal to win the league.

Players are professionals at the end of the day and their motivations are different from the fans. There is no doubt a lot of Spurs fan want to get beat today, but that will mean nothing to Ange and the players when they step onto the pitch today.

City are very likely to win not because Spurs would roll over to deny Arsenal but because City are much better, but you can't rule out Spurs especially at home.

Ange was visibly annoyed with the questions about Spurs' intentions today and I don't blame him. Absolute embarrassing questions by the journalists and I feel bad for him because if Spurs were to lose today, he will have to face the same questions and allegations after the game.

This is HOW it should be but the Spurs players are up against a machine while 4th is still possible it’s not probable.

Knowing your fans will be happy if you lose has a big impact . Ange & no foreigner will fully understand how English fans think .

Arsenal need some wonder goal , sending off or crazy ref decision + huge luck for Spurs to get a point here .
 
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