Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

Sorry I don't follow this thread bar the odd post, are you an Arsenal fan?
I am an Arsenal fan with standards

I'm not celebrating a 4th trophyless season like a certain 🤡, also proclaim Arteta as best young manager in world due to some weirdo obsession at celebrating failure
 
My mate is a Spurs season ticket holder for over 40 years. He was at the Spurs vs City match and said he had never felt such an experience.

He said categorically the supporters around him wanted Son to miss.

For him had Spurs won and Arsenal won the title, then the hardcore fans would have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

Foreign EPL fans will never understand this level of passion, let alone attend an EPL game.
I agree partially but I think the Spurs losers took it a step too far with their antics. Proper phattu behaviour from them. I don't really think it has much to do with passion, their last 3 managers have had to deal with the stench of failure from the club.

They are nowhere near Arsenal and had a chance to fight to play in the champions league but chose to celebrate failure instead.

I'd understand if Spurs had nothing on the line, but sacrificing a slim chance to stop your rival ( who still has a game to play!) is just ridiculous. No wonder Ange was fuming.
 
I am going to take a time out from this thread.

No its not because I am running off cos we didn't win.

I don't even know who is an Arsenal fan on this thread as some proclaim they support them and because they have standards make fun of the club they are supposed to love and post 5 or 6 times a day when its negative but when we are doing well you need go to the next page of the forum to find the thread.

Then we have ones that support Arteta, Zinchenko and Havertz over the actual team and the 1st thought when the team does well is gloat to other Arsenal fans.

My head is blown

I get rival fans bantering lol its part of football but when fellow Arsenal fans join and feed them fuel to make fun its just plain weird.

So looks like we wont get over the line. Fair play to City they are another level.

As disappointed as it is Arsenal tried their best. It's easy to point out moments in the season like the Villa defeat to say that's where we lost it due to team selection and blame the manager but the truth is we should have been out of site at half time.

There will be blips in every season. My personal most disappointing result was the home draw against 10 man Fulham.

Villa away we didn't play awful just didn't look potent in the final 3rd and Villa at that point were flying.

Newcastle away we didn't deserve the win but dubious decisions cost us the game.

West Ham at home we battered them but lost cos we couldn't score.

Fulham away was probably the worst performance of the season.

I've already mentioned Villa at home.

Yes we've ended up empty handed but without being hyper critical one should be able to look at us in isolation and agree we have improved. Easy to call out the manager and players etc but I honestly don't think they've done bad if anything they have exceeded almost every other season we have had but obviously worth nothing in the end without the big prize.

People like to point out that them being older Arsenal fans and how the new breed of arsenal fans have loser mentality just because we don't have unrealistic standards.

If standards is the discussion then why is it overlooked that the points tally this season is potentially only 2nd to our greatest ever achievement which was the Invincibles season by a mere 1 point.

Surely the standards have improved if we are bettering almost every season we've ever had points wise. Does that not mean the previous standards have been exceeded?

There is also the most goals scored, away clean sheets and and number of wins in a 38 game season. Winning in the same season at WHL and OT as well as not losing to lpool and City.

All I'm saying is sometimes the opposition is to good and there is nothing wrong in accepting that.
But you can still praise a team and a manager for their performance even if they don't achieve anything at the end. This is not celebrating failure to win the league as though 2nd is some sort of achievement. NO. This is appreciating that our team is giving us hope that we could have done it.

Have a nice summer everyone. This thread has had some good moments and some childish moments let's try not to go into next season without the tribal attitude for our favourite players or hatred for the manager and captain.

Peace
 
Head to heads mean nothing.

Klopp has a better head to head than Pep, yet Peps blown him out of the water when it comes to titles.
And this is why Pep is superior to Klopp and when Arteta wins multiple league titles with Arsenal, he will also be superior to Klopp.
 
The big 6 from England are Liverpool, Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa. If you have never won the European Cup/CL, then you are not big anything.
As long as Arsenal have the third most First Division titles, they will remain the third biggest club in England. As simple as that.

How big an English club is will be determined by how many England First Division titles you have won. You can't have half the titles Arsenal have won and then proclaim that you are bigger than Arsenal because of 1-2 European trophies.
 
Arteta Fanbois : Domestic titles do not matter.

Arteta Fanbois : Arteta has a FA Cup title.

You seriously could not make this up.
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So I see that the problem is the poor English comprehension.

posting lies in bold and large font won’t make them any true.

Arteta won the FA Cup in his first season, but that is not the reason why Arsenal fans rate him. That FA Cup meant nothing because the club was in shambles then.
 
🤣🤣 the spank was a scratch.

Villareal knocked Arsenal in europa league semi, which mean at end of that season Arsenal werent playing in Europe the following season for 1st time in 20 plus years

This season Emerys 6 points has pretty much cost Arsenal the title
When you are not in a position to win the PL yourself, you seek happiness in ruining it for others. This is what small clubs and small managers do. If Emery was good enough, he would be where Arteta is today, going toe to toe with Man City to win the PL. Instead, he has been reduced to popping champagne bottles for a season that can get a manager sacked at a big club.

Emery's career is going in reverse - Paris, Arsenal, Villareal and now Villa.
Which means the Arteta fan club chairmen has to write his apology, which he said he would do if Arsenal ended season trophyless
Please quote the post where I said that I will apologize if Arsenal don't win a trophy this season. I'm asking for the millionth time. Will you bottle the question a millionth time?
 
My mate is a Spurs season ticket holder for over 40 years. He was at the Spurs vs City match and said he had never felt such an experience.

He said categorically the supporters around him wanted Son to miss.

For him had Spurs won and Arsenal won the title, then the hardcore fans would have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

Foreign EPL fans will never understand this level of passion, let alone attend an EPL game.
But this shows why Spurs is a basket case with no ambition to be better. They have had multiple top managers and all of them pointed out the problems within the mindset of the club and the fans.

The reaction and post match comments of Ange should be a wake up call for the Spurs fans if they are not beyond repair at this point. Mourinho, Conte and Ange have all said the same things.
 
For me he blows hot and cold too often to be player you can actually achieve things with. He has the attributes to be a top player but too often in games and in a sequence of games he goes missing.
That's a fair assessment of his overall career, but at the age of 24, he is entering his prime years now. He could develop into something special over the next few years. Part of me wants him to stay at Newcastle and become their greatest Premier era player after Shearer.
 
Klopp has won more champions league by himself than arsenal in their entire history 😎.

Arteta has a long way to go to catch klopps trophy hall .

I think next season will be tougher . This was perhaps Artetas best chance . He may win nothing in next 2 years & get the sack.
I agree.
There's a few things that can hold Arsenal up. They probably won't get this fortunate again with injuries given we now play 100+ minutes games. Gabriel Saliba Rice Odegard Havertz Raya Saka have been ever present.
Also arsenal have been fortunate in terms of having played one game more than city most year, so despite being ahead in the table, most people believed city would win it once it was in their hands. So Arsenal have not had the chance to "bottle a lead"
What we have not seen is Arsenal being front runners with someone chasing them down. The minute Arsenal got ahead in this league ( was when Palace beat Liverpool) and the surrendered it straight away.
It's a different pressure playing catch-up to city with the pressure off, and the benefit of playing one game more
 
I agree.
There's a few things that can hold Arsenal up. They probably won't get this fortunate again with injuries given we now play 100+ minutes games. Gabriel Saliba Rice Odegard Havertz Raya Saka have been ever present.
Also arsenal have been fortunate in terms of having played one game more than city most year, so despite being ahead in the table, most people believed city would win it once it was in their hands. So Arsenal have not had the chance to "bottle a lead"
What we have not seen is Arsenal being front runners with someone chasing them down. The minute Arsenal got ahead in this league ( was when Palace beat Liverpool) and the surrendered it straight away.
It's a different pressure playing catch-up to city with the pressure off, and the benefit of playing one game more
Having said this, I do believe there could be a sting in the tale on sunday where spurs fans could get stung bad.
It's been a while since Jwp scored a free kick and he is due

Also Antonio ,Paqueta, Bowen, kudus are a decent front 4
 

One thing I absolutely can't stand is the celebration police

I thought Carragher was talking utter rubbish when he was having a go at Arsenal celebrating beating Liverpool and anyone having a go at Villa for celebrating is talking absolute rubbish too

Football would be reduced to absolutely nothing if you can only celebrate when you win a trophy, that's not what football is about

Football is pure joy and also pure frustration (I'm still annoyed at our game yesterday) and I'll be damned if anyone tries to tell me how I should react to a game, result, moment etc etc

Villa getting 4th is an incredible achievement and you should celebrate it, I know how it feels
 
As long as Arsenal have the third most First Division titles, they will remain the third biggest club in England. As simple as that.

How big an English club is will be determined by how many England First Division titles you have won. You can't have half the titles Arsenal have won and then proclaim that you are bigger than Arsenal because of 1-2 European trophies.
You do not live in England therefore you are not in a position to judge how big an English club is determined.

An English club is judged by its performance in Europe, because domestic leagues are relatively easier to win, compared to International KO tournaments like Champions League - hence a CL trophy is worth 50 domestic titles.

If you go by "First Division" titles then Arsenal according to you are actually the 2nd biggest English club, which we all know is foolish.

You also fail to mention FA Cup titles, English team so all English titles must be taken into consideration, but it is obvious you have knotted yourself here.

Bigger doesn't correlate to the size of a trophy cabinet, it correlates to the quality of trophy cabinet, and unsurprisingly the majority of Ballon d'Or winners are also CL winners. But CL is a pointless tournament according to you.
 
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Football is pure joy and also pure frustration (I'm still annoyed at our game yesterday) and I'll be damned if anyone tries to tell me how I should react to a game, result, moment etc etc

Newcastle players crying about the point of VAR, didnt see it as an issue when it went in their favour 😉🤭

I think Jonny Evans carer at retirement home found Isak in shorts pocket when doing the laundry 🤭
 
You do not live in England therefore you are not in a position to judge how big an English club is determined.

An English club is judged by its performance in Europe, because domestic leagues are relatively easier to win, compared to International KO tournaments like Champions League - hence a CL trophy is worth 50 domestic titles.

If you go by "First Division" titles then Arsenal according to you are actually the 2nd biggest English club, which we all know is foolish.

You also fail to mention FA Cup titles, English team so all English titles must be taken into consideration, but it is obvious you have knotted yourself here.

Bigger doesn't correlate to the size of a trophy cabinet, it correlates to the quality of trophy cabinet, and unsurprisingly the majority of Ballon d'Or winners are also CL winners. But CL is a pointless tournament according to you.
The order I would go is: 1. Man united 2. Liverpool 3. Chelsea 4. Arsenal 5. Man City

Chelsea firmly overtook Arsenal after that 2nd champions league win IMO. Arsenal can get it back and I think will but that’s where it stands. Man City are rising up too, though we mock them the sheer amount they win and their growing fan base puts them in contention. Can’t pretend they are a small club forever.
 
You do not live in England therefore you are not in a position to judge how big an English club is determined.

Both clubs have had their moments in history and periods of excellence and their fans should be proud of their legacy, but they are absolutely, in no shape or form, bigger than Arsenal.

You can do a poll for all the football fans residing in England and the results will show that you absolutely no football fan in England whose head is not up his backside would consider Villa and Forest bigger than Arsenal, and this would include Villa and Forest fans too.

There isn’t a player in the world (unless he is a Villa/Forest fan) who would choose to play for those clubs over Arsenal, and this is true since the mid 80s. Arsenal surpassed these clubs in stature 30-40 years back.

This is one of the worst football opinions I have ever come across but I am not surprised that it has come from someone who claimed that Haaland will fail in the Premier League.

An English club is judged by its performance in Europe, because domestic leagues are relatively easier to win, compared to International KO tournaments like Champions League -
You can never be a big club in your country if you have not dominated the first division of your country. As simple as that.

European Cup adds to your legacy. It does not define it. Winning 1-2 European Cups when you have been a middling club in tour own division does not make you bigger than the clubs who have dominated your division.

Man City and Chelsea can definitely overtake Arsenal in years to come because they are catching up to Arsenal in terms of league titles + they have won the UCL, but Aston Villa and Forest have a lot of catching up to do and would to have win the league for many years to catch up.

That obviously will not happen because they don’t have the finances and therefore, Arsenal will always remain a bigger club than them.

The UCL is not the be all end all. If it was, De Matteo would have had a greater legacy in English football than Pep until 2023.
hence a CL trophy is worth 50 domestic titles.
but who told you that you are in charge of deciding how many domestic titles weight up to a UCL?

Why 50? Why not 49 or 51?
If you go by "First Division" titles then Arsenal according to you are actually the 2nd biggest English club, which we all know is foolish.
After the First Division broke up into the exclusive Premier League, First Division titles have been added to Premier Leagues titles, which means that when we count First Division titles now, we add up those prior to the Premier League era and those after the Premier League era.

It is amazing how I have to dumb it down for you and breakdown the simplest of concepts for you.

Arsenal are not the second biggest club in England because they are behind United and Liverpool in terms of leagues won.
You also fail to mention FA Cup titles, English team so all English titles must be taken into consideration, but it is obvious you have knotted yourself here.
This yet again proves your poor understand and one track mind.

The reason why I didn’t mention the FA Cup because for the big clubs, the FA Cup has no significance in isolation. It doesn’t define their legacy.

An Arsenal would know this better than anyone because Arsenal have won the most FA Cups in history, and hardly an Arsenal fans views that achievement as part of the legacy of the club.

The only memorable FA Cups wins for Arsenal were those that helped the club achieve a double. Similarly, the only memorable FA Cup win for City was the one last season that helped them do the treble.

No one cares about domestic cups at big clubs unless they are add ons to winning the league.

Liverpool’s new manager can win the FA and League Cups every season for the next 10 years and he still won’t have a bigger legacy than Klopp unless he wins the PL.

Arsenal won 4 FA Cups in 6 years between 2014-2020 and it is one of the darkest eras for Arsenal in its modern history simply because they didn’t even fight for the league let alone win.

Arsenal is one of the most respected institutions in English football with great legacy and heritage because they have the third most league titles + the Invincible achievement, not because they are the record FA Cup holders.
Bigger doesn't correlate to the size of a trophy cabinet, it correlates to the quality of trophy cabinet, and unsurprisingly the majority of Ballon d'Or winners are also CL winners. But CL is a pointless tournament according to you.
Quality is subjective. There are no parameters that are universally accepted.

You are no one to decide that winning the UCL is more significant than winning the PL.

For example, do you think Leicester would give up their 2015/16 PL title to win the UCL in 2016/17? Maybe, maybe not. It is subjective.

For example, do you think Arsenal would give up their 03/04 Invincible league triumph to finish second in the league that year and win the UCL? As Arsenal fan, I will say absolutely not.

Quality can mean many things. I can say that going the whole league season uneaten is a more quality achievement than winning the UCL because how many different teams have won the UCL and how many different clubs have gone through the whole league season unbeaten?

The difference in numbers between the two groups would make it clear to you which one is harder to achieve, and the harder achievement should also be the one that is recognized for its its greater quality.

The UCL is not pointless tournament for me. Please don’t put words in my mouth. However, I will stand my ground that winning the PL is more important than winning the UCL and if you could give me choice between Arsenal winning 3 PLs on the trot vs winning 3 UCLs on the trot, I will pick the league.

At the end of the day, cup competitions are a flawed way to decide the best team. 2-3 knockout games do not decide who the best team in the tournament was and in a lot of cup tournaments, you will not play every team which means by virtue of your good fortune, you might avoid crossing paths with a team that would have kicked you out.

Just because you add prestige to a cup doesn’t make it any less flawed of a tournament. To win the league, you have to be consistent, you have to face every team in your league and you have to do it over the entire course of the season.

You have to be the best team in the competition to win.

On the contrary, you can win a cup regardless of what cup it is by not being the best team in the competition and if we talk about the UCL, you can win a UCL by not only not being the best team in the competition but also by not being the best team in your country that season.

Chelsea won the UCL in 2012 by finishing 6th in their own league and 25 points behind the league champions. How was that a quality outcome and how did it not make a mockery of the UCL?

As far as the Ballon d'Or is concerned, you need to understand that it is decided by journalists from all over the world. As a result, intercontinental and international competitions hold great value.

A journalist from Belgium would not care much about how a player did in his domestic league but the UCL will be of bigger interest to him. However, if you have the Ballon d’Or decided by journalists from England or Spain or Italy, then performances in the domestic leagues of these countries will hold a lot more weight than they do now.
 
Both clubs have had their moments in history and periods of excellence and their fans should be proud of their legacy, but they are absolutely, in no shape or form, bigger than Arsenal.
You do not care about club history, yet here you are defending Arsenal's history.

The reason why Wenger was fired despite winning the FA cup 3 seasons on the trot, was not because there was no EPL win (Wenger already achieved EPL titles), but because there was no Champions league beyond round 16 in the 2010s under Wenger.

Champions Trophy is the most valuable trophy in a club trophy cabinet, and Arsenal have to earn it before they can be considered a big English club.
 
You do not care about club history, yet here you are defending Arsenal's history.
Third most league titles in England football part of Arsenal’s history and legacy, and it is what has made Arsenal one of the greatest clubs in England.
The reason why Wenger was fired despite winning the FA cup 3 seasons on the trot, was not because there was no EPL win (Wenger already achieved EPL titles), but because there was no Champions league beyond round 16 in the 2010s under Wenger.


Between 2006 and 2013, Arsenal were paying of their stadium debt. As a result, the club had very little money to spend on new players.

The objective was to do enough to stay in the top 4 not because the club viewed UCL as more important than the PL but because qualifying for the UCL has monetary benefits.

In this period, to raise more funds, Arsenal also adopted a policy of selling its best players even to direct rivals. The club made very little effort to keep these players and they could have by offering bumper contracts but they couldn’t afford to.

After 2013, Arsenal had enough funds to compete for the PL title. They started signing players for big money, starting with Ozil, Sanchez and later, Lacazette and Aubameyang.

In this period, Arsenal had enough financial muscle to fight for the title and they only did that in one season (2015-16) and that too was a half-baked effort where they lost the title to Leicester.

This is where the pressure really grew on Wenger from the fans who could now see that the club was not restricted by finances as much as they were restricted by Wenger’s own shortcomings as a manager.

They wanted him replaced by a manager who had the ambition and the desire to compete for the PL and by 2017, the relationship between the club/Wenger and the fans had completely broken down and winning FA Cups were not doing anything to help.

It only provided momentary joy because the fans wanted to see Arsenal compete for winning the PL.
Champions Trophy is the most valuable trophy in a club trophy cabinet, and Arsenal have to earn it before they can be considered a big English club.
Champions Trophy? 🤡

The Champions League cannot compensate for lack of dominance in terms of winning the league. You can’t claim to be a bigger club because you have won the European Cup in spite of being moons behind Arsenal in terms of league titles.

As I said, not a single football fan in England or anywhere in the world would consider Villa and Forest as bigger clubs than Arsenal unless they have their heads up their backsides.
 
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Sigh.

Lets demean the Champions League cos Arsenal have never won the tournament.

Clearly foreign football fans are not on the same wavelength as fans/supporters born in England.
 
I am going to take a time out from this thread.

No its not because I am running off cos we didn't win.

I don't even know who is an Arsenal fan on this thread as some proclaim they support them and because they have standards make fun of the club they are supposed to love and post 5 or 6 times a day when its negative but when we are doing well you need go to the next page of the forum to find the thread.

Then we have ones that support Arteta, Zinchenko and Havertz over the actual team and the 1st thought when the team does well is gloat to other Arsenal fans.

My head is blown

I get rival fans bantering lol its part of football but when fellow Arsenal fans join and feed them fuel to make fun its just plain weird.

So looks like we wont get over the line. Fair play to City they are another level.

As disappointed as it is Arsenal tried their best. It's easy to point out moments in the season like the Villa defeat to say that's where we lost it due to team selection and blame the manager but the truth is we should have been out of site at half time.

There will be blips in every season. My personal most disappointing result was the home draw against 10 man Fulham.

Villa away we didn't play awful just didn't look potent in the final 3rd and Villa at that point were flying.

Newcastle away we didn't deserve the win but dubious decisions cost us the game.

West Ham at home we battered them but lost cos we couldn't score.

Fulham away was probably the worst performance of the season.

I've already mentioned Villa at home.

Yes we've ended up empty handed but without being hyper critical one should be able to look at us in isolation and agree we have improved. Easy to call out the manager and players etc but I honestly don't think they've done bad if anything they have exceeded almost every other season we have had but obviously worth nothing in the end without the big prize.

People like to point out that them being older Arsenal fans and how the new breed of arsenal fans have loser mentality just because we don't have unrealistic standards.

If standards is the discussion then why is it overlooked that the points tally this season is potentially only 2nd to our greatest ever achievement which was the Invincibles season by a mere 1 point.

Surely the standards have improved if we are bettering almost every season we've ever had points wise. Does that not mean the previous standards have been exceeded?

There is also the most goals scored, away clean sheets and and number of wins in a 38 game season. Winning in the same season at WHL and OT as well as not losing to lpool and City.

All I'm saying is sometimes the opposition is to good and there is nothing wrong in accepting that.
But you can still praise a team and a manager for their performance even if they don't achieve anything at the end. This is not celebrating failure to win the league as though 2nd is some sort of achievement. NO. This is appreciating that our team is giving us hope that we could have done it.

Have a nice summer everyone. This thread has had some good moments and some childish moments let's try not to go into next season without the tribal attitude for our favourite players or hatred for the manager and captain.

Peace

You're in the same place I've been for at least a few years now.

Initially the thread was worth visiting for its comedic value but its so nauseating now that it's difficult to follow let alone to post any messages.
If you think Arteta is doing a good job you get labelled an Arteta Lover, then you have the other side of the spectrum where Arteta is made out to be the best manager in the world.

I have friends who support other clubs passionately but we never see this much level of pettiness.
 
This was a debate on talksport.

Gabby Agbonlahor shared the view that you need a European Cup to be termed a big club.

I don't think it's the only factor but it is a factor.

I don't think Villa or Forrest are currently big clubs because they have done nothing in my lifetime,don't have a global presence, or massive match attendances.

I don't think the current fans of either club would deep down consider them big clubs either.

I also don't think Arsenal are a big club tbh. Like the big dogs of European or World Football. I'd put them a level below for now.
 
Sigh.

Lets demean the Champions League cos Arsenal have never won the tournament.

Clearly foreign football fans are not on the same wavelength as fans/supporters born in England.
Everything is demeaned and irrelevant when a certain cheerleader is doing bhangra over 4 years with a trophy or even a cup final and calling it a golden era
 
That's a fair assessment of his overall career, but at the age of 24, he is entering his prime years now. He could develop into something special over the next few years. Part of me wants him to stay at Newcastle and become their greatest Premier era player after Shearer.
Talent wise, he has much to offer but I am not sure whether he has the desire and motivation to put up the numbers. Mo Salah has been poor this season but statistically he still puts up excellent numbers because of sheer will power. Isak hasn't developed that resilience and I don't think he ever will.
 
I got a gut feeling Arteta is going to fluke a title win - West Ham will beat City in dying seconds, and Arsenal will beat Everton.

Kind of like how City snatched the title in 11/12 season.
 
So someone wants to make a point about Arsenal being 3rd most successful club in England, then at same time proclaim the last 4 seasons as a golden period for club.
 
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I got a gut feeling Arteta is going to fluke a title win - West Ham will beat City in dying seconds, and Arsenal will beat Everton.

Kind of like how City snatched the title in 11/12 season.

Why will it be a fluke?

Look at what Arsenal have done this season.

I understand the jealousy towards Arteta but lets be fair.
 
I got a gut feeling Arteta is going to fluke a title win - West Ham will beat City in dying seconds, and Arsenal will beat Everton.

Kind of like how City snatched the title in 11/12 season.
Don't worry, it won't happen, if anything City are more likely to win in the dying seconds if need be. But they will stroll it leaving Arteta crying into his bovril. And we need that apology come out of its draft. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Newcastle players crying about the point of VAR, didnt see it as an issue when it went in their favour 😉🤭

I think Jonny Evans carer at retirement home found Isak in shorts pocket when doing the laundry 🤭
Players? Gordon was asked about it, which other player was crying about it?

You go on about it as if you are making some amazing point but in reality it's not

I think it should have been a penalty, the former Man U players in the studio think that as well but that's not the reason we lost the game. And we'll not whinge and whinge about it.

I've said numerous times anyone expecting perfection from referees and VAR is being foolish as it can't deliver that

As for Isak, he's been ill this week and his performances has shown that. He's made far better players look like fools and will continue to do that.
 
Arteta will make Slot his dog just like he made Klopp his dog.

Klopp hasn’t beaten Arteta in the league over the last two seasons. In other words, as soon Arteta built a competent team (2022 onwards), Klopp has failed to beat him.
Rather Arteta has always been Klopp and Peps little mouse in a cage only squeaking all the time. JK won many trophies where as Arteta has done nothing off note. JK also tanked Arteta out of the FA Cup. Two seasons of not defeating anyone isn't much at all considering it included draws too.
 
Chelsea are not bigger club than Arsenal

I'm England it's

Man U, Liverpool and then Arsenal

After that, it's not so clear
 
Newcastle United want to sign Arsenal and England goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale and are willing to pay £15m for the 26-year-old.
 
Newcastle United want to sign Arsenal and England goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale and are willing to pay £15m for the 26-year-old.
100M if Newcastle want a conversation and 120M if the want to sign him.
 
Chelsea are not bigger club than Arsenal

I'm England it's

Man U, Liverpool and then Arsenal

After that, it's not so clear
Thank you for being one of the 2-3 posters here who actually know their football. Respect.
 
I got a gut feeling Arteta is going to fluke a title win - West Ham will beat City in dying seconds, and Arsenal will beat Everton.

Kind of like how City snatched the title in 11/12 season.
You are wrong about everything, but I hope you fluke this prediction.
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You can never fluke a league title. It is not a cup competition.
 
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Rather Arteta has always been Klopp and Peps little mouse in a cage only squeaking all the time. JK won many trophies where as Arteta has done nothing off note. JK also tanked Arteta out of the FA Cup. Two seasons of not defeating anyone isn't much at all considering it included draws too.
Let me put it this way. Ever since Arteta has managed to put together a competent team, Klopp has struggled against him. This shows that tactically, Arteta is on par with Klopp if not better.

Klopp did a lot of flat track bullying against Arteta from 2020 to 2021 because Arsenal’s squad was nowhere near good enough.
 
So someone wants to make a point about Arsenal being 3rd most successful club in England, then at same time proclaim the last 4 seasons as a golden period for club.
Of course. You have to look at where Arsenal were in post 2006. This period is by far the best period for the club in the last 20 years.

How did you infer best period of the last 20 years as a golden period in the history of the club?
 
Why will it be a fluke?

Look at what Arsenal have done this season.

I understand the jealousy towards Arteta but lets be fair.
When you spend three years calling Arteta a clueless fraud who is nothing more than an assistant coach and have been predicting his sacking because Arsenal would never compete under him, you have no choice but to put down his success as fluke to cover up your embarrassment.
 
Of course. You have to look at where Arsenal were in post 2006. This period is by far the best period for the club in the last 20 years.

How did you infer best period of the last 20 years as a golden period in the history of the club?
Zero trophies in 4 seasons and zero cup finals or titles. Arsenal have been in title races and won FA Cups in last 20 years.

If you compare the last 5 seasons with the previous 5, Arsenal were in two titles races and won 2 FA Cups.

Golden period is what GG did between 87 and 94, what wenger did 98 to 05

And your comparing 4 trophyless seasons to it.
 
Zero trophies in 4 seasons and zero cup finals or titles. Arsenal have been in title races and won FA Cups in last 20 years.

If you compare the last 5 seasons with the previous 5, Arsenal were in two titles races and won 2 FA Cups.

Golden period is what GG did between 87 and 94, what wenger did 98 to 05

And your comparing 4 trophyless seasons to it.
Do you call 2015/16 a title race? It wasn’t. It was a half-baked effort. Arsenal finished 10 pts behind Leicester.

The ONLY title race for Arsenal between 2005 and 2022 was 2007-08, that is it.

17 years, 1 title race. No one gives a rat’s behind to FA Cups because for a big club like Arsenal, it is mandatory to fight for the title every season.

This is what Arteta has changed. He has restored Arsenal as a heavyweight title contender and raised the bar again.

He is the reason why Arsenal fans will be disappointed at not winning the league when the same fans were not even thinking of winning the league for all these years.

Arteta’s critics make me laugh. Look at where Arsenal were in 2019 when he took over and where they are now and it is a world of difference. He has built an Arsenal team that is superior to any Arsenal team since 2006.

Those who harp about him spending money need to understand that he has spent less money than City even though City already had a champion team in 2019, and he has also spent less money than Chelsea and United in the same period and look at them now.

There is no doubt at all that Arteta will win the Premier League very very soon. It is inevitable.
 
😴😴 same boring Arteta has done this, arteta has done thst..

If you going repeast same nonsense 50 times it's nonsense on page 1 and it's nonsense on page 50

Arteta is a failure that's a fact. 4 trophyless season in a row. Just because of in the gutter standards have been reached, doesn't mean its the gold standard metric for everyone else.

Come up with something of substance rather fake hollow cheerleading on failure
 
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Thank you for being one of the 2-3 posters here who actually know their football. Respect.

Nobody in England who watches football in the stands cares or talks about who is bigger .

Winning is all that matters .

Now you’re adding being bigger with competing as it’s some kind of endorsement of success . See your trophy cabinet under Arteta .
 
What’s your criteria ?
His criteria is what ever nonsense parameters he comes up with to make Arteta look better then fergie, Shankly, clough and Pep.

Arteta has already done better then wenger or GG golden periods according to him
 
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Oh dear so certain liar is now making up non-factual nonsense. Time for this liar to be exposed.

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07/08 - 4 draws in row after eduardo leg break, lost to united and Chelsea away in title deciders.

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09/10 - Arsenal with 7 games to go were 2 points of top, in a 3 way title race at time. Arsenal then did what liverpool did this season and collapsed. Facts are they were in a title race.

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This seasons table after 31 games

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So not much difference between top 3 again.

Then their is Leicester City season as well.

But but Arsenal were only in 1 title race. Again lies and nonsense exposed.
 

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But but Arsenal were only in title race in 07/08

League table with 5 games left in 09/10

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3 points separating the top 3

This seaaons table with 5 games left

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Title challenge 07/08
CL semi 08/09
Title challenge 09/10

With a younger team then now, that ultimately failed. This current team has aswell.

But but this is best its been in 20 years currently...

Just show clueless some current fan base really
 
Listen to this from Pep. Listen carefully.

Pep always gives his opponents / challengers respect. He did it with klopp at Liverpool, he did it with Mourinho at Real, same with Ancelotti. That was gives him the edge, that's what he uses to push his team over the line again and again. We heard after winning a treble it would be difficult to get motivated again or motivated his players. He knows that failure isn't tolerated. For an Arteta or klopp their is no accountability, the respective clubs are happy to just compete and get CL money. Until that changes Pep will always take the trophies when it comes to handling pressure.
 
A combination of fans, stadium and success

Of course it's not an exact science but I think if you speak to fans in this country that's the order they'd go with

Old Trafford is a lake with a waterfall . Did you see the Newcastle fan with his diving gear on?

It’s a terrible stadium . Utd have won nothing for years . They have a lot of worldwide support because of the fergie years .

Arsenal have a lot of support too but also have won nothing in years .

I would go with success in the last 10 years . City & Liverpool are the two biggest clubs , success outweighs everything else .
 
The Arsenal were only in one title race between 2005 and 2018 nonsense exposed.

Stop trying to rewrite clubs history or play down other instances the clubs gone through to justify the current 4 trophyless season failures.

Social media is littered with Arsenal fans doing same thing as Liverpool fans, oh we get this many points its more than fergie did in most of his title wins. Its actually embarrassing.
 
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@MK7Z - bro all good and well setting new records etc.. but ultimately it's lead to nothing. You have Arsenal fans on social media posting stuff like oh Arsenal got more points this season then fergie did with 7 of his titles. Its actually embarrassing that the fan base are clutching at straws, then belittling other managers achievements just to justify falling short. Liverpool fans doing the same with their 97 and 92 point seasons. Football has changed in 80s and 90s team had smaller squads, less subs, different rules etc. I'm not saying 80s or 90s is better then now or vice versa, but comparing points totals, number of wins etc.. vs another era is pointless.

What ever teams you are up against in your era are playing under same rules. Same access to fitness regimes, cab use similar squad sizes, same number of subs and playing under same rules.

As much as I hate Liverpool and their fans when they had their 97 point season, they atleast had the CL win that season to show for it.

Their 92 point season, they got to 3 cups finals, won 2 cups and were 2 wins away from a quadruple.

Arsenal have gone toe to toe with CIty in league and have nothing to show for it in the league or in europe or domestically.

We saw spurs for 2 season in title races and not win anything, lost a CL final as well. In one of those calender years they got the most points they ever have in PL and had nothing to show for it.

Unless your a spurs fan or back in 90s Newcastle fan for example and you had 2 good seasons, you've won the most points, wins, goals etc. If you finish empty handed - no one cares. These two teams might look back at these near misses as they don't win anything.

But with your big clubs in 10 years or 20 years time, no one is going to sat oh Do you remember "trust the process" when we had a good team but won nothing.

We had a good team between 07/08 up until 09/10. This isnt a this current team is better than or that is better. We were in two title races, one which we lost as we fell apart after eduardos injury, another where we bottled are last 7 games when we had easier fixtures left then Chelsea and United in 09/10. We also got to CL final. Ultimately it came to nothing.

Same goes for this team, this its the best its been in 20 years, best team at Emirates, all other so called adulation and Ultimately it's got nothing to show for it.

Weve seen plenty of so called golden era generation teams and they have nothing to show for it and this team right now is showing no different.

One final point on "points totals" you can scrutinise other sports and records

Example in 1980s record for 100M running would say for example sakes be 10.00

Now it's 9.78 and say the 2nd fastest is 9.80

You could then say well the person with PB 9.8 is better than then all 80s runners. He would have won gold in 1984 if he running back then. I am not saying your doing this cross era points total thing, but plenty of Arsenal and Liverpool fans are to comfort themselves on failure
 
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Old Trafford is a lake with a waterfall . Did you see the Newcastle fan with his diving gear on?

It’s a terrible stadium . Utd have won nothing for years . They have a lot of worldwide support because of the fergie years .

Arsenal have a lot of support too but also have won nothing in years .

I would go with success in the last 10 years . City & Liverpool are the two biggest clubs , success outweighs everything else .

Apologies, should have specified by stadium size and it being full

The three clubs I named have no problems selling out, both Anfield and Emirates could get bigger and sell out no bother

I agree the support Man U is due to Fergie as well as their success being timed when the PL started. Liverpool grew their fanbase due to the success in the 80's and loads of people started following them.
 
Let me put it this way. Ever since Arteta has managed to put together a competent team, Klopp has struggled against him. This shows that tactically, Arteta is on par with Klopp if not better.

Klopp did a lot of flat track bullying against Arteta from 2020 to 2021 because Arsenal’s squad was nowhere near good enough.
You said over the past two seasons Klopp has not defeated Arteta in the league. Over the past two seasons how many times have Arsenal defeated Liverpool in the EPL? Once I believe. Until Arteta wins something like the ECL or EPL he is not on par with Jurgen Klopp in any way. Jurgen bulldozed Arsenal and Arteta in the earlier days. As off late as Jurgen has said himself he is tired and out of energy that can clearly be seen in his behaviour.
 

Many fans are in mixed emotions . You are in it on the last game of a long hard season but deep down you know you’re not in it on the last day realistically…but its sport /football , fans will always have this small hope . Others will be praying , some intoxicating until no senses . Others enjoying the sunshine & realising it’s only a sport & there is always next season .

Arsenal should just go play a great game , score a few goals & enjoy the day . Maybe better for City to score early so you accept it .

If a miracle does happen , I’ll reply after the busy schedule of events in the cricket section.
 
Another season of misses for Arsenal if they fail to win the league, with Pep firm in his place only a matter of time before Barcelona or Bayern lures Arteta to clubs a ladder higher than Arsenal
 
Another season of misses for Arsenal if they fail to win the league, with Pep firm in his place only a matter of time before Barcelona or Bayern lures Arteta to clubs a ladder higher than Arsenal
Barca and Bayern don't tolerate failure. You don't win the League or CL etc.. at these clubs you get fired. They wudnt put up with 4 trophyless seasons in a row.
 
Arteta this, Arteta that, the greatest young manager ever, the man to take clinch title from Pep.

In reality, another loser since Wenger left. 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
Yet again Arsenal ending up short tbh the sqaud is also not champions material even by their own standards

Where are the Henry Pires Bergkamp Campbell Reyes Ljungberg

All champions side have a world class squad

Look at United 02/03

Beckham Veron Scholes Giggs Solskjaer
 
Yet again Arsenal ending up short tbh the sqaud is also not champions material even by their own standards

Where are the Henry Pires Bergkamp Campbell Reyes Ljungberg

All champions side have a world class squad

Look at United 02/03

Beckham Veron Scholes Giggs Solskjaer
Its Man City mate, like a video game, final boss Pep is on extra hard mode to best it
 
Yet again Arsenal ending up short tbh the sqaud is also not champions material even by their own standards

Where are the Henry Pires Bergkamp Campbell Reyes Ljungberg

All champions side have a world class squad

Look at United 02/03

Beckham Veron Scholes Giggs Solskjaer
4.5 seasons is more then enough time to build a squad to win Title, also win trophies regularly.

4th Trophyless season in a row, simply not good enough.
 
Took us 20 years to take the champions to the last half of the last match of the season.

Lots to look forward to in the next season

Gunners all the way!
 
Season over

Poor in domestic Cups
Knocked out of CL by 1st decent side Arsenal faced
Fallen short in league

Time for a new Manager who can get the club over the line.

Oddegard can run onto pitch now and take more photos after Trophyless season number 4.

"The best it's been in 20 years"

"A Golden period like under wenger"

"We were only in 1 title challenge between 2005 and 2018"

Their is reason why City win and Arsenal fall short. Its elite mentality on and off the pitch.

Time for a written apology from Arteta cheerleader, or maybe he's on vacation on the cricket forum like last season.
 
Martin Odegaard has been speaking to the Arsenal fans from the pitch.

"I think we’re all a little bit disappointed," said the captain. "We’ve been fighting do long for the big dream. We were so close. I’m so proud of the boys, so proud of the team the fans. I'm so proud of the progress we are making.

"We’ve changed the club and I think you all believe in us now."

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What a team, brilliant stuff this season
 
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