Arsenal FC | 2023/24 Season

4 home games played, zero clean sheets in PL. 6 goals conceded.

No improvement from last season defensively at home.

But supposedly "Arsenal have more control this season" 🤦‍♂️
 
Midfield today was shambolic.

Oddegard dissapeared 2nd half
Jorghino not good enough and gave a goal away
Vieira bullied all 1st half
Havertz ran round like a headless chicken as usual

Artetas man management of subs and tactics was pathetic

Man city at home now is a must win
 
A goal is a goal, but an own goal and a penalty reveal the true extent of Arteta tactics.
We played well for 40 mins, missed a few sitters

The issue as always was no plan B and Artetas dumb tactic changes under pressure. This is why Arsenal won't win title or in Europe with this manager.
 
If Jesus is fully fit then surely he has to start ahead of Nketiah.

Martinelli is a big loss. His pace hurts defenders and he'll be missed.
 
If Jesus is fully fit then surely he has to start ahead of Nketiah.

Martinelli is a big loss. His pace hurts defenders and he'll be missed.
Why did the club get riess Nelson to sign a new contract if he isn't going to play?

Why was ESR kept if he he's going to play just 5 mins here and there.

With Martinelli and Trossard out either of these two could have played. Instead Jesus was put out wide and Nketiah through middle.

Once again Arteta shows how clueless he is when it comes to rotating under pressure


Nketiah nor havertz should have played as much as they did today.

Arsenal now have Bournemouth away where they are probably going to have to play a midfield 3 of jorghino / havertz and oddegard 🤦‍♂️

I said the squad "depth" and rotation would be exposed. Arsenal can't afford to drop points next week.

Il say this now when Man city turn up at the Emirates with 7 wins from 7 games and beat Arsenal, Arsenal will be 7 points behind already and Arsenal's title challenge will be done before it's even got started.

Arteta will be exposed even more this season and will see how many of his fan boys mamoon, immy69 etc.. are still making excuses.
 
I knew this would be a tough game. The signs are worrying. We’ve only just started playing 2 x games a week and the injuries have already piled up. We’re struggling to cope with congested fixtures.

We missed Martinelli/Trossard, Rice in the second half.

As soon as Rice was subbed off, we lost control. Jorgino was awful. He looked sluggish and his decision making was poor. He made a big blunder in the lead up to Spurs equaliser.

I’ve been supportive of Nketiah but I wasn’t impressed with his performance. He doesn’t attack the balls in the box like a proper centre forward would. Jesus missed an easy chance when he managed to get the ball off Maddison.

The biggest problem we have is our number 9 and is the very reason we won’t win the league this season. Nketiah and Jesus aren’t good enough if you’re looking to win the title or win the champions league.

Securing top 4 this season is going to prove to be a far more difficult challenge than finishing top 2 last season. The margin for error is small given how well City, Liverpool and Spurs are playing this season.

Worrying times ahead.
 
Also Arteta needs to give up on Havertz in PL/UCL games. Vieira and ESR can play his role better.
 
Why did the club get riess Nelson to sign a new contract if he isn't going to play?

Why was ESR kept if he he's going to play just 5 mins here and there.

With Martinelli and Trossard out either of these two could have played. Instead Jesus was put out wide and Nketiah through middle.

Once again Arteta shows how clueless he is when it comes to rotating under pressure


Nketiah nor havertz should have played as much as they did today.

Arsenal now have Bournemouth away where they are probably going to have to play a midfield 3 of jorghino / havertz and oddegard 🤦‍♂️

I said the squad "depth" and rotation would be exposed. Arsenal can't afford to drop points next week.

Il say this now when Man city turn up at the Emirates with 7 wins from 7 games and beat Arsenal, Arsenal will be 7 points behind already and Arsenal's title challenge will be done before it's even got started.

Arteta will be exposed even more this season and will see how many of his fan boys mamoon, immy69 etc.. are still making excuses.
The way things are looking I’ll take 3rd place finish right now.

Anyone who thinks Arsenal have a chance of winning the title needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

It’s what we deserve for signing Havertz and failing to bring additional funds from all the deadwood we have in our tea.
 
Awful, awful. Fancy putting in the worst performance of the season so far on derby day, great one lads. Jorginho tried to beat Eboue for worst sub appearance ever. Looks like we'll get ripped apart by Man City once again.
 
Declan Rice: Mikel Arteta reveals Arsenal midfielder has suffered back injury as Gunners' problems mount

Mikel Arteta has confirmed Declan Rice suffered a back injury during the North London derby draw with Tottenham as Arsenal's injury problems continue to mount.

Rice's half-time replacement, Jorginho, was at fault for Spurs' equaliser in a pulsating 2-2 draw at the Emirates.

"He had a back injury," Arteta said of Rice. "He was really uncomfortable during the match, we had to take him out.

"We have to assess him. It's strange for someone like him to come off."

Already missing Jurrien Timber to a long-term knee problem, Arsenal are also currently without Thomas Partey and had lost Leandro Trossard and Gabriel Martinelli to injuries this week before Rice was forced to withdraw.

"Today, we missed five big players. We gave an opportunity to everyone, we have games every three injuries now," added Arteta.

Arsenal, who are now four points behind leaders Manchester City in the Premier League table, travel to Brentford in midweek for a Carabao Cup tie before playing at Bournemouth next week. After a Champions League game at Lens, their final match before the international break will be a clash with City at the Emirates.

"We feel like we lost two points," said Arteta. "We conceded two really, really poor goals. But mistakes are part of football, you have to live with it."

 
Man City started last season slow. Arsenal were on the back of Champions League and its emotions.

Spurs riding a wave still couldn't win
 
I knew this would be a tough game. The signs are worrying. We’ve only just started playing 2 x games a week and the injuries have already piled up. We’re struggling to cope with congested fixtures.

We missed Martinelli/Trossard, Rice in the second half.

As soon as Rice was subbed off, we lost control. Jorgino was awful. He looked sluggish and his decision making was poor. He made a big blunder in the lead up to Spurs equaliser.

I’ve been supportive of Nketiah but I wasn’t impressed with his performance. He doesn’t attack the balls in the box like a proper centre forward would. Jesus missed an easy chance when he managed to get the ball off Maddison.

The biggest problem we have is our number 9 and is the very reason we won’t win the league this season. Nketiah and Jesus aren’t good enough if you’re looking to win the title or win the champions league.

Securing top 4 this season is going to prove to be a far more difficult challenge than finishing top 2 last season. The margin for error is small given how well City, Liverpool and Spurs are playing this season.

Worrying times ahead.
He's a professional bench warmer he was startled to be playing
 
I knew this would be a tough game. The signs are worrying. We’ve only just started playing 2 x games a week and the injuries have already piled up. We’re struggling to cope with congested fixtures.

We missed Martinelli/Trossard, Rice in the second half.

As soon as Rice was subbed off, we lost control. Jorgino was awful. He looked sluggish and his decision making was poor. He made a big blunder in the lead up to Spurs equaliser.

I’ve been supportive of Nketiah but I wasn’t impressed with his performance. He doesn’t attack the balls in the box like a proper centre forward would. Jesus missed an easy chance when he managed to get the ball off Maddison.

The biggest problem we have is our number 9 and is the very reason we won’t win the league this season. Nketiah and Jesus aren’t good enough if you’re looking to win the title or win the champions league.

Securing top 4 this season is going to prove to be a far more difficult challenge than finishing top 2 last season. The margin for error is small given how well City, Liverpool and Spurs are playing this season.

Worrying times ahead.
Arteta is intent on play nketitah and havertz no matter how much its to detrimental to team play etc..

So far I've heard all this nonsense that Arsenal are taking it easy at start of season and playing with more control etc..

Yet all we are seeing is same as last season, decent away performances and mediocre ones at home. 4 clean sheets at home in last 30+ PL home games, yet supposedly Arteta has improved the defence.

Then we have the supposed improved depth, well only took 1 week of CL football to show that Arteta once again can't rotate properly between 2 competitions.

Arsenal ain't finishing above Liverpool this season, let alone city. Whilst Liverpool aren't great defensively they have clinical strikers. Like you have said here and I have we don't have title winning strikers.

Oh but supposedly we will get goals from other areas like last season is the excuse from fan base. Donkey havertz has replaced. Xhaka will get nowhere near xhaka G/A last season.

Mamoon, immy69, firebat all those that were proclaiming Arsenal were stronger and City are weaker get ready to enjoy a midfield of jorghino, havertz and ozil-gaard whilst Rice is injured.

Arsenal ain't winning PL or CL or finishing top 2, let's see how many of these fans show accountability
 
Man City started last season slow. Arsenal were on the back of Champions League and its emotions.

Spurs riding a wave still couldn't win
Man city didn't start last season slow at all they won 8 drew 2 of their 1st 10 games. All this City were slow was a load of nonsense.

This season I said before it started city would won 7 from 7 at start and I said Arsenal, Liverpool etc.. couldn't afford a slow start.

Only Liverpool are likely now to try n keep up with City. Liverpool have spurs n Brighton next, they win those 2 and they are back to their best.
 
Also Arteta needs to give up on Havertz in PL/UCL games. Vieira and ESR can play his role better.
I wanted maddision when we signed oddegard and I wanted maddision over havertz.

Havertz is one of worst players to wear an Arsenal shirt.

Havertz and Nketiah will get Arteta sacked eventually with his stupid blind faith in such garbage.
 
The moment Arsenal had zero chance of winning game on Sunday in 2nd half.

When manager thinks 2 Chelsea rejects are going to lead you to a title 🤦‍♂️

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Awful, awful. Fancy putting in the worst performance of the season so far on derby day, great one lads. Jorginho tried to beat Eboue for worst sub appearance ever. Looks like we'll get ripped apart by Man City once again.
Man city were supposedly weaker this season? And Arsenal are stronger?

Worst thing is City are missing loads of key players, won 6 from 6 and are still in 1st gear.
 
The way things are looking I’ll take 3rd place finish right now.

Anyone who thinks Arsenal have a chance of winning the title needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

It’s what we deserve for signing Havertz and failing to bring additional funds from all the deadwood we have in our tea
This will be 2003 Chelsea under raneri vibes when the manager was clueless in team rotation in different competitions. Back then Chelsea had a quality squad, but at the time not the manager to gey them over the line or the mentality.

It's same with current Arsenal team, manager ain't good enough to take the team over the final step, and mentality isn't there either this is why you keep seeing end of season collapses
 
Bad Result. The circumstances surrounding the game we should have battered them.
They have a new manager , lost their best player. We are meant to be on the up.

I have to say this game was on Arteta. Eddie should not have started and how he lasted 90mins I will never know.

Arteta is going to fall on the Havertz/Eddie sword. They are not good enough for Arsenal. Everyday the 65million spent on Kai looks a bad move especially when we could have got a striker for that price. I thought Zinchenko was as usual a defensive liability leaving Gabriel exposed on the left hand side. for Kulu to run at him.

I have to say that when Rice went off it felt like we were down to 10 men. Thats how we played.

I will like to add the this result is not on Kai though, I thought most were poor including Odegaard, Jesus finishing was poor. Saka played well but at fault for 1st goal.

Yves bissouma was man of the match for me, took full control of the game when Rice went off and sat on Martin Odegaard knowing full well Kai and Jorg will do nothing.

So annoyed at the result and it could have been worse.

Jesus up top makes us so much more fluent. Eddie runs around like a headless chicken.

Moving forward gotta hope Declan injury is not severe. Hopefully Martinelli will be back or Trossard for next week.

This season the pressure is on Arsenal and Mikel to challenge city. So far dropped 4 points at home to teams we beat last season!
 
Bad Result. The circumstances surrounding the game we should have battered them.
They have a new manager , lost their best player. We are meant to be on the up.

I have to say this game was on Arteta. Eddie should not have started and how he lasted 90mins I will never know.

Arteta is going to fall on the Havertz/Eddie sword. They are not good enough for Arsenal. Everyday the 65million spent on Kai looks a bad move especially when we could have got a striker for that price. I thought Zinchenko was as usual a defensive liability leaving Gabriel exposed on the left hand side. for Kulu to run at him.

I have to say that when Rice went off it felt like we were down to 10 men. Thats how we played.

I will like to add the this result is not on Kai though, I thought most were poor including Odegaard, Jesus finishing was poor. Saka played well but at fault for 1st goal.

Yves bissouma was man of the match for me, took full control of the game when Rice went off and sat on Martin Odegaard knowing full well Kai and Jorg will do nothing.

So annoyed at the result and it could have been worse.

Jesus up top makes us so much more fluent. Eddie runs around like a headless chicken.

Moving forward gotta hope Declan injury is not severe. Hopefully Martinelli will be back or Trossard for next week.

This season the pressure is on Arsenal and Mikel to challenge city. So far dropped 4 points at home to teams we beat last season!
Excellent put post, glad some fans can be honest and telling it like it is.
 
Bad Result. The circumstances surrounding the game we should have battered them.
They have a new manager , lost their best player. We are meant to be on the up.

I have to say this game was on Arteta. Eddie should not have started and how he lasted 90mins I will never know.

Arteta is going to fall on the Havertz/Eddie sword. They are not good enough for Arsenal. Everyday the 65million spent on Kai looks a bad move especially when we could have got a striker for that price. I thought Zinchenko was as usual a defensive liability leaving Gabriel exposed on the left hand side. for Kulu to run at him.

I have to say that when Rice went off it felt like we were down to 10 men. Thats how we played.

I will like to add the this result is not on Kai though, I thought most were poor including Odegaard, Jesus finishing was poor. Saka played well but at fault for 1st goal.

Yves bissouma was man of the match for me, took full control of the game when Rice went off and sat on Martin Odegaard knowing full well Kai and Jorg will do nothing.

So annoyed at the result and it could have been worse.

Jesus up top makes us so much more fluent. Eddie runs around like a headless chicken.

Moving forward gotta hope Declan injury is not severe. Hopefully Martinelli will be back or Trossard for next week.

This season the pressure is on Arsenal and Mikel to challenge city. So far dropped 4 points at home to teams we beat last season!

We keep hearing about how Arteta has become ruthless in team selections and that this will be difference this season compared to the last 3 season collapses.

All the weekend showed was yet more incompetence and blind favouritism by Arteta.

Arsenal have plenty of depth of players to play out wide. Even with Martinelli, Trossard out we had option of playing Nelson or ESR wide left. But instead Arteta decided to play Jesus wide which meant link up play through middle was non existent. Any time nketitah plays through middle we create less chances and look less fluid. That means when we get the limited chances in game both Jesus sitter and Eddie not playing simple pass to Vieira for a tap were not acceptable.

Seems no matter how bad Eddie plays he's going to keep playing, doesn't matter how mediocre havertz is he's going to either start or be 1st sub of the bench.

Why give Nelson a new contract or keep ESR if your going to let them just feed of scraps. Playing Jesus out wide was artetas way of saying Jesus is my 3rd choice option playing wide. Sorry Nelson / ESR I don't trust you. Incompetent management at its best. Then ul get the fake "oh I wish I had given Nelson / ESR" more minutes" stories from Arteta later in season.

The whole jorghino / Havertz reliance in midfield in 2nd half was nothing more then a waving a white flag in 2nd half of the game.

Yeah Arteta will die on the havertz / nketitah sword, and good riddance because all 3 need to be got rid off. Arsenal ain't winning PL or CL with Arteta in charge
 
Fully agree that ESR or Nelson should have played on the wing instead of Jesus. I said before the PSV game that now Jesus is back expect us to be more fluent. It was evident in the PSV game so what does he do pushes him out wide the next game.

Its games likes this that have a lot of emotion attached to them that Arteta will have people questioning him. I want him to succeed just like I would want any manager to. He survived the Willian disaster after he stank up the place for god knows how long, destroying what confidence Pepe had in the process.

BUT Willian was a free, Havertz was a lot of money.

I'd seriously consider starting Tomiyasu and using Zinny as a midfielder on the left hand side. As much as I dont rate zinny i think he does have a pass in him through the lines. Partey should be back in a couple of weeks. Rice is a Monster so i expect him to be back soon.

I like Arteta, he has done some good things and has taken us a level up from where we were. But to go to the next level there is something missing. Things like Partey at RB when there is just no need and feels like its to accommodate Havertz.

Next up Brentford in League cup. I will be honest I couldn't care less about the league cup

Ramsdale, Cedric ,Kiwior, ???, Tomiyasu , Viera, ElNenny/Jorg ,Havertz , ESR, Eddie/Havertz, Nelson

That would be my team. Not sure who our CB would be if Saliba and Gabi dont play this game, neither should.
 
I'm still too disappointed to post anything positive and so will remain silent
 
Normally I'd agree with you and it might happen but Spurs so far scored 13 goals in 5 matches, this is very unspurs like. Maybe Kane moving on and this new manager is giving them more attacking options. If Fulham scored 2 at the Emirates, Spurs should defo score 1 at minium but could get a couple, meaning Arsenal will need to score 2-3 goals to win this.

My prediction 2-2.

And it was 2-2

I didnt watch the live match as Liverpool were playing at the same time. But reading reports and watching highlights, prob a fair result. Although Spurs goals were better.

Arsenal should be happy with top 4 this season, there is no chance this team will be anywhere near City by Feb/March.
 
And it was 2-2

I didnt watch the live match as Liverpool were playing at the same time. But reading reports and watching highlights, prob a fair result. Although Spurs goals were better.

Arsenal should be happy with top 4 this season, there is no chance this team will be anywhere near City by Feb/March.
It was a typical Arsenal home performance this season. Very little creativity, wasted the few chances we got. Gave away sloppy goals.

Even in forrest and United games we could have dropped points.

Difference between Arsenal and Liverpool is when both team haven't played well this season liverpools forwards Diaz, nunez, salah (who are all better then Jesus and Nketiah) are clinical.

This is one of reasons I said at start of season why would finish above us.
 
It was a typical Arsenal home performance this season. Very little creativity, wasted the few chances we got. Gave away sloppy goals.

Even in forrest and United games we could have dropped points.

Difference between Arsenal and Liverpool is when both team haven't played well this season liverpools forwards Diaz, nunez, salah (who are all better then Jesus and Nketiah) are clinical.

This is one of reasons I said at start of season why would finish above us.

I was miffed as to why Arteta spend so much on Rice and Havertz, when a striker or two were crucial. Jesus is injury prone, so can Eddie be. Both are good players but not elite. Arsenal traditionally have had a powerful attacking force.

It seems Artetas arrogance thinking he is as good as Pep is going to hurt the team. He even talks like Pep.

The other issue I see is the mental side, falling apart in big moments and losing the intensity towards the end of matches. Im baised but if Klopp was manager of Arsenal , you'd have won the league last season and would be one of the fav to win both the league and CL this season.

Still a long way to go but this team is playing as it ended last season.
 
I was miffed as to why Arteta spend so much on Rice and Havertz, when a striker or two were crucial. Jesus is injury prone, so can Eddie be. Both are good players but not elite. Arsenal traditionally have had a powerful attacking force.

It seems Artetas arrogance thinking he is as good as Pep is going to hurt the team. He even talks like Pep.

The other issue I see is the mental side, falling apart in big moments and losing the intensity towards the end of matches. Im baised but if Klopp was manager of Arsenal , you'd have won the league last season and would be one of the fav to win both the league and CL this season.

Still a long way to go but this team is playing as it ended last season.
Rice was needed as xhaka left and Partey can not stay fit. Arsenal's midfield otherwise is very mediocre level in terms of quality or so called depth. If you look at all of Arteta midfield signings only oddegard has really done decently.

Partey is good but can't stay fit
Lakonga - flop
Vieira - flop so far
Jorginho - mediocre
Havertz - flop

Yep Arsenal need a striker like van Persie, Sanchez who can score loads of goals and can be clinical. Jesus build up play is good but not clinical enough. Eddie is bottom of PL standard striker. Club need to sign Ivan Toney in January

Arteta arrogance and incompetence is there for all to see, he's achieved nothing in last 3 seasons, he keeps copying Pep but then makes same stupid mistakes. Because there is no accountability at club Arteta will keep managing the club like he's playing a computer game. If the club really wanted to win stuff then the last 3 seasons end of season collapses would have seen heads roll. That filters through to the players and they except so called "progress" as some sort of trophy. Its a losers mentality.

Arsenal need a manager who has a winners mentality and can get us over line. But also the owners need to ambitious.

Finally yeah if klopp was in charge of last season we probably wouldn't bottle the league. Whilst I think city will win league this year. The fact klopp and some of your players have won title n been in title race will help you give them a challenge at least.
 
Declan Rice: Arsenal defender did not suffer serious injury in Tottenham match

The England international, who has started every league game this season, was substituted at half-time.

After the game, Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta said Rice had "discomfort in his back" and hoped it was not long term.

Rice, a £100m summer signing, was not expected to be in Arsenal's Carabao Cup squad to face Brentford on Wednesday.

But the 24-year-old could be in contention for their Premier League match against Bournemouth on Saturday.

Arsenal are fifth in the Premier League, four points behind leaders Manchester City.
 
Fully agree that ESR or Nelson should have played on the wing instead of Jesus. I said before the PSV game that now Jesus is back expect us to be more fluent. It was evident in the PSV game so what does he do pushes him out wide the next game.

Its games likes this that have a lot of emotion attached to them that Arteta will have people questioning him. I want him to succeed just like I would want any manager to. He survived the Willian disaster after he stank up the place for god knows how long, destroying what confidence Pepe had in the process.

BUT Willian was a free, Havertz was a lot of money.

I'd seriously consider starting Tomiyasu and using Zinny as a midfielder on the left hand side. As much as I dont rate zinny i think he does have a pass in him through the lines. Partey should be back in a couple of weeks. Rice is a Monster so i expect him to be back soon.

I like Arteta, he has done some good things and has taken us a level up from where we were. But to go to the next level there is something missing. Things like Partey at RB when there is just no need and feels like its to accommodate Havertz.

Next up Brentford in League cup. I will be honest I couldn't care less about the league cup

Ramsdale, Cedric ,Kiwior, ???, Tomiyasu , Viera, ElNenny/Jorg ,Havertz , ESR, Eddie/Havertz, Nelson

That would be my team. Not sure who our CB would be if Saliba and Gabi dont play this game, neither should.
Whilst league Cup is not seen as top priority let's be real Arsenal ain't winning the PL or the CL and the club can't afford a trophyless season and certainly can't afford to throw cups away like it has in last 3 season. Since winning FA cup Arsenal's cup performance have been disgraceful to say the least.

Arsenal can't afford an early cup exit, for certain players like Nelson, ESR who ain't getting any game time this is important to try and get 90 minutes and try impresss.

Ramsdale; Cedric, Gabriel, Kiwior, Tomiyasu; Havertz, Elneny, Jorginho; Nelson, Nketiah, Smith Rowe

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If you look at stats and also visually Jesus in middle we are always more fluid, so to put him wide wide left was plain dumb and just killed all creativity. This isn't 1st time Arteta has done such stupid detrimental tinkering.

Zinchenko in midfield could be used, but means Tomiyasu playing LB which is hit and miss. Its an issue I'm midfield which needs to be fixed quickly.

Arteta is just a brendon Rogers / Claudia raneri (at chelsea) type manager where he will improve a team, but he will not take the club over the line. There is no plan B, also under pressure Arteta just loses it tactically. That poor mentality is also now in grained in players.

It's disappointing as Arsenal did have a team capable of winning team PL last season. Sadly the manager and club mentality is not there.
 
Rice was needed as xhaka left and Partey can not stay fit. Arsenal's midfield otherwise is very mediocre level in terms of quality or so called depth. If you look at all of Arteta midfield signings only oddegard has really done decently.

Partey is good but can't stay fit
Lakonga - flop
Vieira - flop so far
Jorginho - mediocre
Havertz - flop

Yep Arsenal need a striker like van Persie, Sanchez who can score loads of goals and can be clinical. Jesus build up play is good but not clinical enough. Eddie is bottom of PL standard striker. Club need to sign Ivan Toney in January

Arteta arrogance and incompetence is there for all to see, he's achieved nothing in last 3 seasons, he keeps copying Pep but then makes same stupid mistakes. Because there is no accountability at club Arteta will keep managing the club like he's playing a computer game. If the club really wanted to win stuff then the last 3 seasons end of season collapses would have seen heads roll. That filters through to the players and they except so called "progress" as some sort of trophy. Its a losers mentality.

Arsenal need a manager who has a winners mentality and can get us over line. But also the owners need to ambitious.

Finally yeah if klopp was in charge of last season we probably wouldn't bottle the league. Whilst I think city will win league this year. The fact klopp and some of your players have won title n been in title race will help you give them a challenge at least.

Rice is an excellent player and I agree was needed but if you spend so much on a mid, then you should spend other big money on a striker, esp since Arsenal have a lot of midfielders, esp youngsters who can be improved. LFC spent big on mids but was very much needed, even then players such as Elliot and Jones are being improved.

I mentioned Tony a while ago, he is the perfect fit.. Is there any mention of Arteta being interested or the club?


December is going to be huge month for all teams. Arsenal have Villa, Brighton , Liverpool in this order. 2 losses here would end any title challenge for sure. Same goes for LFC, a bad December will hurt them too.
 
Rice is an excellent player and I agree was needed but if you spend so much on a mid, then you should spend other big money on a striker, esp since Arsenal have a lot of midfielders, esp youngsters who can be improved. LFC spent big on mids but was very much needed, even then players such as Elliot and Jones are being improved.

I mentioned Tony a while ago, he is the perfect fit.. Is there any mention of Arteta being interested or the club?


December is going to be huge month for all teams. Arsenal have Villa, Brighton , Liverpool in this order. 2 losses here would end any title challenge for sure. Same goes for LFC, a bad December will hurt them too.
The havertz signing was a waste of money and yes that money should have been spent elsewhere. We could have signed better in maddision or khudus who are better players and for less money. We heard end of last season how ESR was being trained up to play xhaka position and then gets zero game time and Is a better player.

Arsenal 1st choice midfield should have been rice, partey and oddegard. Yes that money wasted should have been on a striker. But Arteta has a likely for mediocre players like nketitah, havertz etc.. this is why he will eventually be sacked.

Yeah there have been some links to Toney, but Chelsea and spurs are interested to so Arsenal will have to pay 60M for a player who would improve team massively.

You lot have spurs and Brighton next 2 games. I think you if you win those 2 then you are back to your best. Then yeah its getting to December and you need to sign another CB.

Arsenal its different We play city in 2 games time. We lose that game we are 7 points behind after 8 games. Arsenal's title race is done before it's even begun.

Arsenal have lost 12 games in a row vs City in PL and players have a mental block against them, that won't change in 2 weeks.
 
@KingKhanWC - in regards to mentality

All these over celebrating wins like villa, Bournemouth last season, constant team huddles which is nothing more then show for the cameras, players and managers waving at crowd like cheer leaders, the dog called "win" , celebrating "progress" rather then actually trophies. Most of fan base lapping up as a so called feel good factor

All this is just collective lack of composure, celebrating mediocrity and not having real focus. Arsenal need to actually start focusing properly and stop acting in such childish manner. Alot of fans are starting to see through this and this is one reason the atmosphere on Sunday was pretty flat and subdued.

You don't see clubs like Real Madrid and man city behaving like this. This is why Arsenal as a club are more interested in being some sort of circus event then being serious about winning stuff.
 
@KingKhanWC - in regards to mentality

All these over celebrating wins like villa, Bournemouth last season, constant team huddles which is nothing more then show for the cameras, players and managers waving at crowd like cheer leaders, the dog called "win" , celebrating "progress" rather then actually trophies. Most of fan base lapping up as a so called feel good factor

All this is just collective lack of composure, celebrating mediocrity and not having real focus. Arsenal need to actually start focusing properly and stop acting in such childish manner. Alot of fans are starting to see through this and this is one reason the atmosphere on Sunday was pretty flat and subdued.

You don't see clubs like Real Madrid and man city behaving like this. This is why Arsenal as a club are more interested in being some sort of circus event then being serious about winning stuff.

When I watched the highlights, it was cringe watching Saka celebrate an own goal in such a manner. Sure it was the derby game but the ball was nowhere near going to towards goal when it left his foot.

At the highest level in sport, what sets apart competitors is mental strength. This normally comes from the manger and trickles down to the players, support staff. Now when Klopp said he will win the league in 4 years, even I laughed as LFC was a very mediocre club, mid table at best. The fact this man achieved it, shows his mental strength from the beginning. Arteta on the other hand is in some alternative universe. It was strange he was playing down Spurs goals while bigging up Arsenals, penalty and own goal. It was almost nonchalant in thinking Arsenal outplayed Spurs and it was down to bad luck ending in a draw. When you have this type of manager, the players will think they are the best and eventually they will win most , catch City and win the league. It started v LFC last season, being 2-0 up at Anfield isnt game over at all but after half time, the players came out of the dressing room relaxed even though in a tight title chase.

Imo Arsenal job was too early for him, he should applied his trade in a smaller club. But some Arsenal fans think he is a genius.
 
Arsenal are ready to step up their interest in England striker Ivan Toney in January, with Brentford valuing the 27-year-old at £60m. (Mirror)
 
Arsenal desperately needed a strong CF

It will come back to haunt them. Money spent on a second keeper but not on a proper CF
 
Arsenal desperately needed a strong CF

It will come back to haunt them. Money spent on a second keeper but not on a proper CF
Only 3M loan fee was spent on keeper. Its the 65M wasted on a donkey from Chelsea which should have been used on a striker.

Also the fact we are now in CL, the club should have spent 250M or even 300M in summer. But seems owners weren't willing to go the extra mile with the squad.

Ivan toney is a must in January
 
Pretty ridiculous they didn't address the goalscorer situation, simply haven't had a striker since PEA
 
Pretty ridiculous they didn't address the goalscorer situation, simply haven't had a striker since PEA
It's funny how supposedly PEA had zero link up play and was just a goal scorer and Artetas team needed players who "work hard"

Now we have nketitah who has zero link up play and can't finish his own dinner

This is what happens when a clueless manager has so called favourites
 
So now Saka is injured, no shock here. Been run into ground game after game, on Sunday he gets a knock and Arteta kept him on until 5 mins later saka himself asked the bench to take him off.

Yet another masterclass in poor player management
 
So now Saka is injured, no shock here. Been run into ground game after game, on Sunday he gets a knock and Arteta kept him on until 5 mins later saka himself asked the bench to take him off.

Yet another masterclass in poor player management

It was inevitable and Arteta rightfully deserves to be ridiculed for how he's managed his best player.

In addition to Toney, we should buy a right winger. We should try to sign Takefusa Kubo.
 
I wanted maddision when we signed oddegard and I wanted maddision over havertz.

Havertz is one of worst players to wear an Arsenal shirt.

Havertz and Nketiah will get Arteta sacked eventually with his stupid blind faith in such garbage.

I was also thinking about why didn't we sign Maddison.

Do you reckon it's because you can't accommodate him and Odegaard in the same team because of how similar they are technically and physcially?

Part of me wishes we had both of them. Instead of Havertz, play Maddison as the left CAM and Odegaard on the other side as the right CAM.
 
I've backed Nketiah for a while and I had hopes he would improve further but it seems to me he's reached his ceiling.

I think it's time we either part ways with him or keep him if he's happy to settle as our 3rd or 4th choice number 9. In other words, start just the FA Cup and League Cup matches.

Arteta and co have made a blunder with the sale of Balogun. He deserved a chance to prove himself at Arsenal like Saliba has. Edu has done an awful job in raising funds from players who needed to be sold. Balogun should've been sold for at least £50m.
 
Totally inexplicable.


Why does this keep happening? Coaching failure? Youth / inexperience? Poor mentality? Why can't Arteta and co fix these stupid errors?

From what I can see, the main culprits have been Ramsdale and Gabriel, with a couple from Saliba. But the rest are spread throughout the team - Saka, Trossard, Tomiyasu, Jorginho. I just can't understand it.
 
Arsenal: England winger Bukayo Saka out of EFL Cup tie with foot injury

Arsenal winger Bukayo Saka will miss his side's Carabao Cup tie at Brentford on Wednesday and could also be out of Saturday's league game at Bournemouth.

The 22-year-old England winger suffered a foot injury in the 2-2 draw with Tottenham on Sunday and was replaced by Emile Smith Rowe just before the final whistle.

"He was limping quite badly after the match," said Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta.

"We had to get him off the field, which is never a good sign."

Asked if Saka could miss the Premier League match at Bournemouth, Arteta added: "It's a possibility, yes."

The forward has scored four goals and registered three assists from seven games in the Premier League and Champions League this season.

If Saka does miss the game against the Cherries it will end his club-record run of 86 consecutive Premier League appearances.

 
Arsenal legend David Seaman has admitted he is "puzzled" by Mikel Arteta's decision to drop Aaron Ramsdale and install David Raya as his new No 1. (Mail)

Arsenal are set to offer a deal to swap Eddie Nketiah for Brentford's Ivan Toney in the January transfer window, a report claims. (Sun)
 
Arsenal are set to offer a deal to swap Eddie Nketiah for Brentford's Ivan Toney in the January transfer window, a report claims. (Sun)

I like the sound of this.

Offer £40m + Nketiah for Toney.

I value Eddie around £35m.
 
Totally inexplicable.


Why does this keep happening? Coaching failure? Youth / inexperience? Poor mentality? Why can't Arteta and co fix these stupid errors?

From what I can see, the main culprits have been Ramsdale and Gabriel, with a couple from Saliba. But the rest are spread throughout the team - Saka, Trossard, Tomiyasu, Jorginho. I just can't understand it.
It's a coaching issue, these sorted of things shouldn't keep happening, it doesn't look like as a unit they work on much defensively. Seems the focus is more on playing the ball out from the back. Players have to be able to "invert".

He's a idea? How about players who can defend. Have a look at Man city their defenders are picked to have certain defensive characteristics to fit into a Pep system. No make shift players.

Last time Man city conceded 2 goals In a competitive game was vs spurs when they beat spurs 4-2 at home.

So for all Artetas copying Pep he can't even fix the defence.

Arsenal's best defensive season in PL in last few years? When we had Luiz and socratis in defence. "Oh toxic players" who weren't good enough.

Arsenal will concede 40+ goals this season in PL.

Oh and this is yet another thing I Brough up at start of season. The snowflakes in fan base were saying I was being negative 🤣 🤦‍♂️
 
I like the sound of this.

Offer £40m + Nketiah for Toney.

I value Eddie around £35m.
Eddie isn't worth 20M, let alone 35M.

Also I'm hearing Arteta has reservations on paying such an amount for a player in January and Toney bad reputation.

So won't be shocked if we don't sign Toney because of clueless manager

This is a guy that pushed the board into signing havertz

Clubs given this amateur coach to much power
 
"He was limping quite badly after the match," said Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta.

"We had to get him off the field, which is never a good sign."

Yet more nonsense from Arteta, he had no intention of taking saka off, until saka actually got irrate and gestured to bench to get him off.

This fraud of a manager will get full exposode on his short comings as a coach this season
 
I was also thinking about why didn't we sign Maddison.

Do you reckon it's because you can't accommodate him and Odegaard in the same team because of how similar they are technically and physcially?

Part of me wishes we had both of them. Instead of Havertz, play Maddison as the left CAM and Odegaard on the other side as the right CAM.
1st time round Arsenal didn't want to pay the 60-70M for maddision, ozil-gaard was the cheaper low risk option.

Also Arteta had reservations over fitness and whether maddision could press.

Ironic as Arteta is happy persisting with injury prone players like Zinchenko and tomiyassu, and lazy players like nketitah and havertz who contribute nothing to team build up.

Maddision or even khudus would have been a way better signing then havertz

Then you get our fan base saying maddision is rubbish because Leicester got relegated but it's ok support havertz in a struggling Chelsea team.

Arteta is way over analysing stuff when it comes to player recruitment
 
Eddie isn't worth 20M, let alone 35M.

Also I'm hearing Arteta has reservations on paying such an amount for a player in January and Toney bad reputation.

So won't be shocked if we don't sign Toney because of clueless manager

This is a guy that pushed the board into signing havertz

Clubs given this amateur coach to much power

I think you're being harsh. Eddie is English, young and was good at the end of 21/22 season and also last season when Jesus was injured.

He's worth at least £30m in today's market. You have to factor his age, PL experience, the fact that he's English and has scored some important goals for Arsenal.

A world class striker is worth at least £80m, so I don't think £30m is a bad shout.
 
1st time round Arsenal didn't want to pay the 60-70M for maddision, ozil-gaard was the cheaper low risk option.

Also Arteta had reservations over fitness and whether maddision could press.

Ironic as Arteta is happy persisting with injury prone players like Zinchenko and tomiyassu, and lazy players like nketitah and havertz who contribute nothing to team build up.

Maddision or even khudus would have been a way better signing then havertz

Then you get our fan base saying maddision is rubbish because Leicester got relegated but it's ok support havertz in a struggling Chelsea team.

Arteta is way over analysing stuff when it comes to player recruitment

I think we did the right thing to buy Odegaard over Maddison. Odegaard is better than him albeit mentally and physically frail especially when his team are under the cosh.

But I really wish now we had bought Maddison or Kudus instead of Havertz who is shockingly bad. Arteta has messed up big time by signing him.
 
1st time round Arsenal didn't want to pay the 60-70M for maddision, ozil-gaard was the cheaper low risk option.

Also Arteta had reservations over fitness and whether maddision could press.

Ironic as Arteta is happy persisting with injury prone players like Zinchenko and tomiyassu, and lazy players like nketitah and havertz who contribute nothing to team build up.

Maddision or even khudus would have been a way better signing then havertz

Then you get our fan base saying maddision is rubbish because Leicester got relegated but it's ok support havertz in a struggling Chelsea team.

Arteta is way over analysing stuff when it comes to player recruitment
I wished we'd signed Madders, well to be honest I actually wish we had not signed Havertz and just pocketed the 65mill!

LOL come on bro - Ozil-gaard? thats harsh man. He had a poor game but in my opinion he is amazing. So good to watch, Yes he lacks physically but he comes alive at the edge of the box. Wont be having you disrespect him. He is not Elite yet but I fully believe he will be.

Arteta has a record of misreading injuries. I have seen it plenty times when he has kept people on for an extra few mins when its clear they have taken a knock.

Now its been a few days since the bad performance and I have had a chance to think about it. I still think Arsenal have time to turn it around. Funny saying that when we are yet to lose but its obvious to see that the tactical tweeks are not working.
We can only hope as fans that something clicks soon and we kick on. As it stands Man City have a 100% record and we have a chance to stop that in a couple of weeks.

I think we have a chance. Not saying we will win for sure but I think with their injuries/suspensions if we turn it on we can do it.

Bournemouth to deal with 1st though. We do seem to play better away as well
 
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I think you're being harsh. Eddie is English, young and was good at the end of 21/22 season and also last season when Jesus was injured.

He's worth at least £30m in today's market. You have to factor his age, PL experience, the fact that he's English and has scored some important goals for Arsenal.

A world class striker is worth at least £80m, so I don't think £30m is a bad shout.
When Eddie was in his final year of his contract Arsenl put a price tag of 20M on him and teams like palace, Leeds and West ham were interested in him and none of these sides were willing to offer more then 13M for him.

He's signed a new contract for 100K a week. Has he improved much? Not really

If any clubs were interested in him the problem is going to be that a West ham, brighton, Brentford for example might pay 25M or even 30M. But then it's obvious most of these clubs are not going to give Eddie same 100k a week, is he going to take a pay cut?

If we went to one of these clubs and got 100K, he's probably likely to be one of highest earners at the club, that ain't going to go down to well when he's an average player at best.

So yeah I get the 30M your mentioning. Reality is buying club ain't going to want to fork out so much for TF + wages. So if sold Arsensl will have to value player at lower value.

This is Arsenal's fault for giving a mediocre player such a big contract.

This is also why players like holding probably on 40-50k week was happy just being at Arsenal as if he went elsewhere he wouldn't earn the same.
 
ILOL come on bro - Ozil-gaard? thats harsh man. He had a poor game but in my opinion he is amazing. So good to watch, Yes he lacks physically but he comes alive at the edge of the box. Wont be having you disrespect him. He is not Elite yet but I fully believe he will be.

Before start of the 21/22 season my biggest issue with oddegard was

1) he didn't shoot enough and score enough goals

2) Dissapearred in tough away games and big games in general

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Fair play to him he massively improved his goal output and shooting.

In regards to dissapearing In games, he was no where to be seen in 2 games vs man city last season, was poor at Anfield and dissapeared at end of season. Spurs away was probably only big game he really turned up in.

This is something ozil was always guilty of. Oddegard is a good player, but not elite level where he can dictate the outcome of big games. That's where improvement still needs to come.

Even on Sunday when he was needed most in 2nd half he disappeared.
 
Ye he does find it tough in some games but I will defend him lol. No name calling now. Crychenko feel free but not this guy.

On a serious note ye he was poor but I think it was down to a few factors that contributed to it. The Early Yellow card meant he stopped engaging and even pressing in case he was late for a challenge. Rice going off he lost all protection as Havertz and Jorg may as well not have been there. Also Ben White was not overlapping which in turn meant that little threaded pass or space it creates on that side never happened. Also Bissouma was just to powerful for him.
So as much as he was poor I think tactically we were poor which nullified him and space even more.

I do believe he will go on to become a modern day legend. I know its far fetched but can you imagine him lifting that Prem!!

LEGEND STATUS

Anyway onto the cup exit tonight against Brentford
 
Ye he does find it tough in some games but I will defend him lol. No name calling now. Crychenko feel free but not this guy.

On a serious note ye he was poor but I think it was down to a few factors that contributed to it. The Early Yellow card meant he stopped engaging and even pressing in case he was late for a challenge. Rice going off he lost all protection as Havertz and Jorg may as well not have been there. Also Ben White was not overlapping which in turn meant that little threaded pass or space it creates on that side never happened. Also Bissouma was just to powerful for him.
So as much as he was poor I think tactically we were poor which nullified him and space even more.

I do believe he will go on to become a modern day legend. I know its far fetched but can you imagine him lifting that Prem!!

LEGEND STATUS

Anyway onto the cup exit tonight against Brentford
Yeah actually the point on the yellow card is a good one, it does hamper the press with the worry of a 2nd yellow.

The so called "tactical" change of Vieira for havertz was a shambles. I don't think Vieira is good enough to be regularly starting, but he did earn right to start with a few good cameos I guess. To then haul him off and bring on a flop was plain stupid. So yeah neither havertz or jorghino helped oddegard, but this is where he should have stepped up.

But yeah I see your point on possible factors. Problem Is if rice is injured for a while we are going to have to use this trio again and oddegard will have to step to make up for other 2 mediocre players around him.

Tonight's game I hope ESR and Nelson step up and do the business for Arsenal
 
ESR almost scored. Wish he did. Deserves more game time for Arsenal. Way better than Havertz.
 
Tame shot from Havertz. Surprise surprise. Never looked like scoring. Could've been 3-0 up by now.
 
Who is Sagoe?
19 year old youngster.

skilful winger, Sagoe Jr was one of the most impressive performers for Arsenal U21s last season.

Sagoe Jr scored six goals and provided three assists in Premier League 2, while he also featured in the Papa Johns Trophy.

There was first-team recognition for Sagoe Jr too, as he was named on the bench away to Sporting in the Europa League. He has previously been involved with the senior team in friendlies.

Sagoe Jr, who was signed from Fulham’s academy in 2015, is likely to be involved with the U21s again this season and will hope for further first-team opportunities.
 
ESR goal would be good for his confidence he's miles better then Vieira and havertz

My thoughts exactly and he's mentally strong as well. I like the guy. Arteta hasn't been fair with him at all.

In order to comply with FFP, we need to some players if we're gonna sign Toney in January. I've heard any one of ESR, Nelson and Nketiah might get sold to fund the proposed transfer for Brentford's number 9.
 
Lost count how many times

havertz played ball backwards

Failed to complete a simple forward 2 yard pass

Give the ball away

🤦‍♂️ and some people think this guy is an upgrade on xhaka and that Arteta would turn him into a top player 🤦‍♂️
 
My thoughts exactly and he's mentally strong as well. I like the guy. Arteta hasn't been fair with him at all.
He does this with loads of players. Then comes out with excuse "oh I wish I'd given player x, y, z more game time.

Only reason he's kept ESR and Nelson at club and occasionally picked some random youngster is to pretend he's promoting "hale end" so fans stay on his side. It's just a diversion tactic for all poor decisions he makes with other players like havertz, nketitah, Vieira etc...
 
My thoughts exactly and he's mentally strong as well. I like the guy. Arteta hasn't been fair with him at all.

In order to comply with FFP, we need to some players if we're gonna sign Toney in January. I've heard any one of ESR, Nelson and Nketiah might get sold to fund the proposed transfer for Brentford's number 9.
The club earnt 150M for finishing 2nd last season, plus guaranteed CL group stage money I think the club could have easily spent 250-300M in summer but kronkes don't want to out their own money in. They will go back to this self-sustaining non-sense they had last time we were in CL.

If the club is going to sell in January then it better be Eddie or Nelson.

I won't be shocked if partey is sold as well.

Ideally the club should just now be buying 2 or 3 players max per window, these players should be elite next level players. Sadly Arteta can't be trusted to make the right signings.

Maybe ohsimen will cancel his contract at Napoli after abuse club gave him and we can get him.

If not Toney is a must
 
Does nketitah ever pass! Useless ball hog! A few times this half just shoots when a pass was easier
 
Brilliant stop by Ramsdale, all Brentford now. Arsenal giving ball away. Nketiah been useless this half with the ball
 
Zinchenko on for white.

Jesus on for sagoe.

Kiwor will go to CB with Gabriel.

Gabriel has been outstanding tonight
 
The club earnt 150M for finishing 2nd last season, plus guaranteed CL group stage money I think the club could have easily spent 250-300M in summer but kronkes don't want to out their own money in. They will go back to this self-sustaining non-sense they had last time we were in CL.

If the club is going to sell in January then it better be Eddie or Nelson.

I won't be shocked if partey is sold as well.

Ideally the club should just now be buying 2 or 3 players max per window, these players should be elite next level players. Sadly Arteta can't be trusted to make the right signings.

Maybe ohsimen will cancel his contract at Napoli after abuse club gave him and we can get him.

If not Toney is a must
I would rather sell Eddie. I like Nelson. He’s got a bright future ahead of him. He’s got a high ceiling.

I would love to get Osmhein and it’ll be interesting to see when he’ll be available.
 
Zinchenko on for white.

Jesus on for sagoe.

Kiwor will go to CB with Gabriel.

Gabriel has been outstanding tonight
Gabriel has been superb. He’s world class. I don’t get with him and Saliba how we’re leaking so many goals. Arteta can’t blame personnel when it comes to the heart of defence.
 
What the he'll was that from Zinchenko 🤦‍♂️ got away with that
 
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