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Awful management of Saka. He needed rest. Won't be surprised if he misses the game against City now.
 
Ben White makes it 4-0

Clean sheet will be good bonus to
 
Perfect results today. City have lost to Wolves and Arsenal have pounded Bournemouth.

Now we're just one point behind City.
 
topspin said:
Perfect results today. City have lost to Wolves and Arsenal have pounded Bournemouth.

Now we're just one point behind City.
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1 point behind, but need to break the hoodoo next week. 12 PL defeats in a row vs City is disgraceful
 
Amjid Javed said:
1 point behind, but need to break the hoodoo next week. 12 PL defeats in a row vs City is disgraceful
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A win would do wonders for the confidence and self-belief of this young Arsenal side.

I just hope Saka's injury isn't going to result in a lengthy absence. If he's okay, please Mikel, rest him for the CL game on Tuesday.

I hope one of Martinelli/Trossard will be back as well with Jesus starting at CF.
 
topspin said:
A win would do wonders for the confidence and self-belief of this young Arsenal side.

I just hope Saka's injury isn't going to result in a lengthy absence. If he's okay, please Mikel, rest him for the CL game on Tuesday.

I hope one of Martinelli/Trossard will be back as well with Jesus starting at CF.
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Our home form has been poor so far this season. 2 draws already this season, we can't afford to drop more points. Main thing next week is to cut out the self inflicted mistakes. I hope partey and Martinelli are back next week. We can't carry nketitah and havertz next week.
 
3 clean sheets in 3 away games, that needs to be reflected in home games.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Our home form has been poor so far this season. 2 draws already this season, we can't afford to drop more points. Main thing next week is to cut out the self inflicted mistakes. I hope partey and Martinelli are back next week. We can't carry nketitah and havertz next week.
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I honestly don't think we can accommodate both Partey and Rice unless we're going to play defensive 2 x DMs.

I know Rice can play in Xhaka's position (with Odegaard next to him) but I don't think Partey is anywhere near as good as Rice in DM.
 
topspin said:
I honestly don't think we can accommodate both Partey and Rice unless we're going to play defensive 2 x DMs.

I know Rice can play in Xhaka's position (with Odegaard next to him) but I don't think Partey is anywhere near as good as Rice in DM.
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In a game vs man city we need to dominate the midfield we ain't going to do that with havertz playing. Every time we do play City they always tend to dominate proceedings in midfield and then just pray on our self inflicted mistakes

Playing partey and rice means we have a solid base in front of our back 4, and control. That allows our front 4 to have more freedom to attack.

Man city will do what they did last season where they pressed on the 2nd pass of Arsenal's transition looking to win the ball so they won ball and have a numerical advantage, and look to expose our weak left side. With Zinchenko and havertz on that side it's asking for trouble.

Arteta needs to get the tactics right next week as he was schooled last season. Man city won the game at Emirates allowing us to have more than 60% of the ball be we did little with it.

Tactically and the mental block needs to be broken next week.
 
Arsenal prove just too strong
Arsenal's first proper attack of the game ended in the opening goal as they got back to winning ways following their 2-2 draw against Tottenham last weekend.

Odegaard swung in a deep cross which was headed off the bar by Jesus and Saka was in the right place to head home the rebound.

That put Bournemouth on the back foot against a team who have now avoided defeat in the past 40 Premier League matches in which they have scored first, a run dating back to January 2022.

Bournemouth's chances were few and far between in a mainly one-sided contest. Dominic Solanke was through on goal but William Saliba made a vital interception to stop the shot. Ryan Christie had an effort just before the break but it was comfortably gathered by David Raya, who now has three cleans sheets in four games.

Max Aarons slid in and caught Eddie Nketiah in the box to concede a penalty just before half-time. Regular penalty taker Saka gave the ball to Odegaard, who slotted into Neto's bottom left corner after a stuttering run-up.

Christie clattered into Odegaard in the box as the Cherries conceded a second penalty, and Havertz also struck into the bottom left corner.

Substitute Emile Smith Rowe had a golden opportunity to get on the scoresheet in the closing stages but struck wide from close range before White rounded off the scoring.

Bournemouth have scored just once in their four home league games this season - and that came in their season opener against West Ham in August. The hosts did not present much of a challenge as Arsenal recorded a routine away win.
 
Mamoon said:
Havertz Man of the Match. Painful moment for @Amjid Javed and @topspin but this too shall pass.
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This is a big giveaway that you’ve been trolling about Havertz all this time. You obviously don’t rate him so please be sincere for once.

This raises questions:

Did you really think it was “in the bag” last season or were you just trolling?

Are you actually an Arsenal fan? Or are you just here to troll us?

You’ve also been singing the praises of Edu, like you did with Raul Sanllehi, even though he was a shady person and you also hailed the signing of Nicolas Pepe because according to you “he was one of the hottest properties in Europe”.

What next? If Arsenal come up with their own branded turd, are you going to tell us that it’s worth a buy?
 
Amjid Javed said:
In a game vs man city we need to dominate the midfield we ain't going to do that with havertz playing. Every time we do play City they always tend to dominate proceedings in midfield and then just pray on our self inflicted mistakes

Playing partey and rice means we have a solid base in front of our back 4, and control. That allows our front 4 to have more freedom to attack.

Man city will do what they did last season where they pressed on the 2nd pass of Arsenal's transition looking to win the ball so they won ball and have a numerical advantage, and look to expose our weak left side. With Zinchenko and havertz on that side it's asking for trouble.

Arteta needs to get the tactics right next week as he was schooled last season. Man city won the game at Emirates allowing us to have more than 60% of the ball be we did little with it.

Tactically and the mental block needs to be broken next week.
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We definitely don’t want Havertz playing against City.

But yes I can see the benefits of playing 2 x DMs if it allows us to bully City and control the game.

I’ve also been thinking about our issue with our centre forward options. I would like to see Martinelli given a go at number 9 with Trossard on the left wing. What do you think?
 
Havertz was funnily enough the worst player on the pitch. Another mistimed tackle as per usual.

There was no pressure on Arsenal when he had to take the penalty because the win was sealed as soon as we scored the second goal.

Good to see the players get behind Havertz but at the same time you have to feel sorry for ESR and perhaps Trossard, who I think can play in the same position.
 
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topspin said:
Havertz was funnily enough the worst player on the pitch. Another mistimed tackle as per usual.

There was no pressure on Arsenal when he had to take the penalty because the win was sealed as soon as we scored the second goal.

Good to see the players get behind Havertz but at the same time you have to feel sorry for ESR and perhaps Trossard, who I think can play in the same position.
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Worst player for us on the pitch*
 
topspin said:
Havertz was funnily enough the worst player on the pitch. Another mistimed tackle as per usual.

There was no pressure on Arsenal when he had to take the penalty because the win was sealed as soon as we scored the second goal.

Good to see the players get behind Havertz but at the same time you have to feel sorry for ESR and perhaps Trossard, who I think can play in the same position.
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So now a poor precident has been set, the worst player or a struggle player on pitch will be given sympathy and allowed to take a penalty.

So who will it be next?

Win the dog
Gunnersaurus
The physio

Or maybe next time Arsenal have a penalty, Arteta can sub Ramsdale on and let him take it

Today's events were pretty embarrassing. But then again Arteta had to save face over his embarrassing 65M signing.

Anyone thinking saka willingly decided to give havertz pen is naive and deluded.

The club does such things for show so fans likes mamoon can get over excited.
 
So looks like saka and Jesus might be injured again. Saka should have been take off earlier, but again was kept on to long. Hopefully both won't miss next Sundays game.
 
Amjid Javed said:
So now a poor precident has been set, the worst player or a struggle player on pitch will be given sympathy and allowed to take a penalty.

So who will it be next?

Win the dog
Gunnersaurus
The physio

Or maybe next time Arsenal have a penalty, Arteta can sub Ramsdale on and let him take it

Today's events were pretty embarrassing. But then again Arteta had to save face over his embarrassing 65M signing.

Anyone thinking saka willingly decided to give havertz pen is naive and deluded.

The club does such things for show so fans likes mamoon can get over excited.
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Bang on.

Arteta definitely trying to save face and Arsenal are certainly pulling off stunts for them to play to the gallery.

Small team mentality. You'd never see Pep and City doing this kind of stuff.
 
Amjid Javed said:
So looks like saka and Jesus might be injured again. Saka should have been take off earlier, but again was kept on to long. Hopefully both won't miss next Sundays game.
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If that ends up being the case, I want to see Martinelli playing CF if he's fit.
 
topspin said:
If that ends up being the case, I want to see Martinelli playing CF if he's fit.
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Probably end up being nketitah and havertz up front with way Arteta keeps picking these 2 donkeys.

Trossard was on bench and Martinelli hopefully will be back soon.
 
Brilliant day of football all round. Arsenal comfortable win, both Manchester teams lose.

Even the Spurs result was good for us as Liverpool are a bigger threat than Tottenham. Beat 9 men with a 96th minute own goal and a corrupt ref, still the media will hype Ange "mate" Postecoglou to the moon :ROFLMAO: They will get their humbling sooner or later.

Saka limping off again was the only negative. I do not understand for the life of me why Arteta does this - Saka has to be in the showers as soon as the 3rd goal went in. Just don't get it, terrible management.

Most likely he'll be good for the City game though. The guy limps off every game and still shows up the next week. I think that's 87 consecutive league apperances, club record. What a player
 
Rumours out in full force

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Arsenal will continue to monitor Wolves and Portugal forward Pedro Neto with the hope of signing the 23-year-old in the January transfer window. (Mirror)

Arsenal also have their eye on 19-year-old Sporting Lisbon and Ivory Coast defender Ousmane Diomande. (Givemesport)

Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur have expressed an interest in 22-year-old Feyenoord and Mexico striker Santiago Gimenez. (Fijaches - in Spanish)
 
Arteta on Havertz criticism:
"We all see every single day his level of commitment, desire, attitude... quality is top".

"He has to come out in every way, he’s coming in many different ways, he has to come in a way where he puts the ball in the back of the net".
 
BouncerGuy said:
Arteta on Havertz criticism:
"We all see every single day his level of commitment, desire, attitude... quality is top".

"He has to come out in every way, he’s coming in many different ways, he has to come in a way where he puts the ball in the back of the net".
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Arteta scrapping barrel at trying to justify a 65M flops poor performances. The whole giving him a penalty was a face saving exercise to justify having him im side. Amateurish and embarrassing, but no shock when you have a manager who likes having such mediocre players in side even if it's detrimental to the side
 
The Havertz goal exemplified everything I said about Arsenal 4 days back. There is a real togetherness, real team spirit in this team.

Every single player wanted Havertz to have this moment. They celebrated as much as they would celebrate their goals. As I said, Havertz scoring a goal at the Emirates would blow the roof off.

It will be one of the moments of the season but toxic, agenda-driven fans will never understand.
 
topspin said:
If that ends up being the case, I want to see Martinelli playing CF if he's fit.
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In footballing terms, Martinelli is borderline retarded. I laugh when Arsenal fans rate him so highly. It is pure delusional.

Martinelli will simply never be world class. He is the Brazilian Theo Walcott with slightly better dribbling.

9/10 times, he chooses the wrong option in the final third. He will hold onto the ball when he needs to pass, he will pass to the wrong player or with the wrong weight. He will shoot when he doesn’t need to etc.

His lack of awareness and intelligence will never allow him to be a world class forward. His ceiling is 15 goals per season but someone with his physical gifts and the position he gets into should be getting 25+ goals.

Arsenal needs a world class LW and world class ST to reach the next level. Saka is the only world class forward in the front 3.

Jesus and Eddie are good but they are backup material. Eddie is a decent finisher but physically very limited and Jesus is a nothing finisher.

Martinelli is a great option to come off the bench and have a go at tired defenders but you cannot rely on him as a starter week in week out. He is too chaotic, too rash. A headless chicken who is never too far away from doing something completely dumb with the ball.

Arsenal’s big money spending next summer should be aimed towards bolstering the attack. The front three of Martinelli, Jesus/Eddie and Saka don’t have enough goals in them.
 
Mamoon said:
The Havertz goal exemplified everything I said about Arsenal 4 days back. There is a real togetherness, real team spirit in this team.

Every single player wanted Havertz to have this moment. They celebrated as much as they would celebrate their goals. As I said, Havertz scoring a goal at the Emirates would blow the roof off.

It will be one of the moments of the season but toxic, agenda-driven fans will never understand.
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Absolutely embarrassing to say the least. Arteta probably instructed for penalty to be handed over to save face on a shambolic signing. If player was good enough to contribute to team on merit the would.

Instead they were given a charity penalty as team clearly know he's not good enough to do it himself.

All done for show and cameras. Arteta can now justify to himself why he's selecting havertz

Like I said it's the equivalent of Saj of MIG giving you a POTW for the nonsense your write.

I'm sure you were dancing around in your underpants like Arsenal had just won treble with that penalty.

I'm sure win the dog will be taking the next penalty
 
Mamoon said:
In footballing terms, Martinelli is borderline retarded. I laugh when Arsenal fans rate him so highly. It is pure delusional.

Martinelli will simply never be world class. He is the Brazilian Theo Walcott with slightly better dribbling.

9/10 times, he chooses the wrong option in the final third. He will hold onto the ball when he needs to pass, he will pass to the wrong player or with the wrong weight. He will shoot when he doesn’t need to etc.

His lack of awareness and intelligence will never allow him to be a world class forward. His ceiling is 15 goals per season but someone with his physical gifts and the position he gets into should be getting 25+ goals.

Arsenal needs a world class LW and world class ST to reach the next level. Saka is the only world class forward in the front 3.

Jesus and Eddie are good but they are backup material. Eddie is a decent finisher but physically very limited and Jesus is a nothing finisher.

Martinelli is a great option to come off the bench and have a go at tired defenders but you cannot rely on him as a starter week in week out. He is too chaotic, too rash. A headless chicken who is never too far away from doing something completely dumb with the ball.

Arsenal’s big money spending next summer should be aimed towards bolstering the attack. The front three of Martinelli, Jesus/Eddie and Saka don’t have enough goals in them.
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🤣🤣 calling mediocre and at same time you think havertz is world class. Yet another high class attempt at trolling
 
@Mamoon

More trolling from you as expected. Same reason why you didn't answer my questions from my last post sent to you.

Havertz has been criticised and ridiculed by everybody, not just by Arsenal fans. That's because his performances warrant him a place in the Worst PL for the current PL season up until this point. He's been a proven failure in the PL for 3 years now.

But according to you he's world class and Martinelli is "borderline retarded". The Brazilian is rated as one of the best left wingers in the world so what you're saying about him makes no sense. But somehow you have the nerve to accuse other fans of being borderline retarded.

The only left wing forward who was superior to him last season was Rashford.

Martinelli scored 15 PL goals, all of which were non-penalty goals, in 36 games. He scored in big games as well. Those are world-class numbers.

I think you need to make your trolling more subtle for once.
 
topspin said:
@Mamoon

More trolling from you as expected. Same reason why you didn't answer my questions from my last post sent to you.

Havertz has been criticised and ridiculed by everybody, not just by Arsenal fans. That's because his performances warrant him a place in the Worst PL for the current PL season up until this point. He's been a proven failure in the PL for 3 years now.

But according to you he's world class and Martinelli is "borderline retarded". The Brazilian is rated as one of the best left wingers in the world so what you're saying about him makes no sense. But somehow you have the nerve to accuse other fans of being borderline retarded.

The only left wing forward who was superior to him last season was Rashford.

Martinelli scored 15 PL goals, all of which were non-penalty goals, in 36 games. He scored in big games as well. Those are world-class numbers.

I think you need to make your trolling more subtle for once.
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Not hard to be rated as one of the best LWs in the world when there are only 2-3 world class LWs around at the moment.

Martinelli will never be world class. Anyone who knows football can see it by watching him play.

The botched pass at Anfield last season says it all. If Martinelli was world class he would have scored 25+ goals last season with the chances he got and the positions he got into, and Arsenal would have won the league.
 
Mamoon said:
The Havertz goal exemplified everything I said about Arsenal 4 days back. There is a real togetherness, real team spirit in this team.

Every single player wanted Havertz to have this moment. They celebrated as much as they would celebrate their goals. As I said, Havertz scoring a goal at the Emirates would blow the roof off.

It will be one of the moments of the season but toxic, agenda-driven fans will never understand.
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Arteta wanted him to take the penalty to save face because he knows he looks stupid for signing him for £65m.

But at least shows that he's actually scared of being held accountable for bringing him to the side.
 
topspin said:
Arteta wanted him to take the penalty to save face because he knows he looks stupid for signing him for £65m.

But at least shows that he's actually scared of being held accountable for bringing him to the side.
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100% spot on.

Yesterday's game may has well have been havertz testimonial game as his career is dead
 
Mamoon said:
Not hard to be rated as one of the best LWs in the world when there are only 2-3 world class LWs around at the moment.

Martinelli will never be world class. Anyone who knows football can see it by watching him play.

The botched pass at Anfield last season says it all. If Martinelli was world class he would have scored 25+ goals last season with the chances he got and the positions he got into, and Arsenal would have won the league.
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Also get over that "botched" pass at Anfield. The biggest culprits in the side at the back end of last season for falling short were Zinchenko, Ramsdale and Xhaka.

Some may wonder why I mention Xhaka. This guy is an experienced player who lost his head and woke up the Anfield crowd when we were 2-0 up. He knew he messed up and had to leave at the end of the season. It was at this moment that sparked the collapse.
 
Amjid Javed said:
100% spot on.

Yesterday's game may has well have been havertz testimonial game as his career is dead
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Yeah lets see how long his career will last. There's no reason to have hope in someone who's been failing for a few years now.

If I was Edu, I would have rejected Arteta's request and told him, he's trash but also we don't want to fund their deficit relating to their FFP woes.

Not just a dumb move in footballing terms but also dumb business.
 
topspin said:
Yeah lets see how long his career will last. There's no reason to have hope in someone who's been failing for a few years now.

If I was Edu, I would have rejected Arteta's request and told him, he's trash but also we don't want to fund their deficit relating to their FFP woes.

Not just a dumb move in footballing terms but also dumb business.
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65M wasted on player we didn't need and when he flops no one is going to pay even half of that when he has to be sold. Nor pay the stupid 300K wages he was given. A shambles of a decision both from footballing and economic point of view.
 
Amjid Javed said:
65M wasted on player we didn't need and when he flops no one is going to pay even half of that when he has to be sold. Nor pay the stupid 300K wages he was given. A shambles of a decision both from footballing and economic point of view.
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That's what annoys me the most. He's the highest paid player in our side for what?

No wonder ESR, Nelson and perhaps a few others will feel unvalued and the need to go elsewhere.
 
topspin said:
I've been watching the game for over 20 years and I cannot remember the quality of left wingers being as good what we have at present.

There calibre of the top 5 or 10 left wingers are far superior when you compare it directly to their right wing counterparts so lets not be disingenuous about what he's accomplished at the age of 22. He's done amazingly well.

Where do you rank Havertz out of all the central attacking midfielders we have in Europe? Top 50 or top 100? Would be nice if you didn't run away from this question.
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There are 2-3 world class LWs, maybe 4 at best. Martinelli isn’t one of them.

We heard the same about Walcott. He is only 19,20,21,22,23,24…..until he was the same at 30 and then people realized he didn’t develop.

Martinelli will be the same player at 32. A chaotic, headless chicken who will continue to frustrate and show inconsistency.

He lacks composure and game awareness and you either have these things or you don’t. Very few players develop these traits considerably if they don’t have it.

It was obvious from day one that Saka has these qualities just like it has been obvious from day one that Martinelli does not.

Martinelli will be an ordinary player as he grows older and loses his explosive pace. He should not be starting ahead of Trossard at least this season who is so much better. Other than speed, Martinelli has nothing on him.

No more replies on Havertz. I have said what I needed to say. Arsenal fans need to get off his backside and let him play. Trust him and the manager. He will find a solution.
 
Mamoon said:
There are 2-3 world class LWs, maybe 4 at best. Martinelli isn’t one of them.

We heard the same about Walcott. He is only 19,20,21,22,23,24…..until he was the same at 30 and then people realized he didn’t develop.

Martinelli will be the same player at 32. A chaotic, headless chicken who will continue to frustrate and show inconsistency.

He lacks composure and game awareness and you either have these things or you don’t. Very few players develop these traits considerably if they don’t have it.

It was obvious from day one that Saka has these qualities just like it has been obvious from day one that Martinelli does not.

Martinelli will be an ordinary player as he grows older and loses his explosive pace. He should not be starting ahead of Trossard at least this season who is so much better. Other than speed, Martinelli has nothing on him.

No more replies on Havertz. I have said what I needed to say. Arsenal fans need to get off his backside and let him play. Trust him and the manager. He will find a solution.
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What you say about Martinelli is so absurd. It's what I would expect from someone who's mining him for up Man Utd's Anthony (minus the pace of course)

There are no Arsenal fans who I've come across in real life and there are no ex-players/pundits/analysts who have this view of him.

I have no problem with Trossard starting at LW if Martinelli is given a go as a number. However, if you think he should start ahead of the Brazilian at LW then I strongly suggest checking the best ranked left wingers in the world. Not a single credible footballing magazine/site would agree with you.
 
Mamoon said:
No more replies on Havertz. I have said what I needed to say. Arsenal fans need to get off his backside and let him play. Trust him and the manager. He will find a solution.
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So it's not hard for Martinelli to be rated as one of the best left wingers in world football but you're not going to tell me where Havertz ranks among the best central attacking midfielders?

That says it all doesn't it? You can't confirm if he's top 5, top 10, top 20 etc. You obviously don't rate him. Give the trolling a rest.
 
Mamoon said:
There are 2-3 world class LWs, maybe 4 at best. Martinelli isn’t one of them.

We heard the same about Walcott. He is only 19,20,21,22,23,24…..until he was the same at 30 and then people realized he didn’t develop.

Martinelli will be the same player at 32. A chaotic, headless chicken who will continue to frustrate and show inconsistency.

He lacks composure and game awareness and you either have these things or you don’t. Very few players develop these traits considerably if they don’t have it.

It was obvious from day one that Saka has these qualities just like it has been obvious from day one that Martinelli does not.

Martinelli will be an ordinary player as he grows older and loses his explosive pace. He should not be starting ahead of Trossard at least this season who is so much better. Other than speed, Martinelli has nothing on him.

No more replies on Havertz. I have said what I needed to say. Arsenal fans need to get off his backside and let him play. Trust him and the manager. He will find a solution.
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Wow the fact you comparing a track athlete wearing football boots called Walcott with martinelli.

Wow this is next level trolling 🤣🤦‍♂️
 
topspin said:
What you say about Martinelli is so absurd. It's what I would expect from someone who's mining him for up Man Utd's Anthony (minus the pace of course)

There are no Arsenal fans who I've come across in real life and there are no ex-players/pundits/analysts who have this view of him.

I have no problem with Trossard starting at LW if Martinelli is given a go as a number. However, if you think he should start ahead of the Brazilian at LW then I strongly suggest checking the best ranked left wingers in the world. Not a single credible footballing magazine/site would agree with you.
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The only thing that is absurd is Arsenal fans refusing to accept that Martinelli is a rash player with average decision-making and that it is a position that Arsenal should look to improve.

There is a reason why he is a nothing player for Brazil and never will be. He is just there to make numbers and get subbed in the 87th min to give Vini and Rodrygo a breather.

Martinelli is nowhere near those two and that is the level of players that Arsenal should be looking at considering the financial resources of the club these days.

Why settle for middling players when Arsenal can now push for the best in class players.

As far as Havertz is concerned, it is not about what he is now but what he can become. This is why Arsenal signed him.

As far as Martinelli is concerned, he can never become world class unless he has a brain transplant.

It is easy to say other person is trolling when you can’t counter his argument.
 
Arteta should dump Martinelli for Mitoma. A far more intelligent player who will immediately improve the team who can lift his head and scan the pitch and make good decisions.

This age argument doesn’t work either because Mitoma is only 26 and unlike Martinelli, he is not a liability without his speed and acceleration.

Surely, Arteta is smart enough to understand that he cannot take Arsenal where he wants to take them with Martinelli and Jesus/Nketiah as starters.
 
Martinelli (reduced to sub role)
Jesus (sold)
Nketiah (reduced to sub role)
Gabriel (sold)

These 4 players should not be in the starting XI next season.

Replace Martinelli and Jesus with Mitoma and Toney and the team immediately improves.

Gabriel should be booted out as well because although his physical attributes are very good, he is always on the brink of making a stupid mistake and costing his team a goal.

Arteta is obsessed with left-footed LCBs but there aren’t many out there, so replacing Gabriel would be a more difficult task.
 
Mamoon said:
The only thing that is absurd is Arsenal fans refusing to accept that Martinelli is a rash player with average decision-making and that it is a position that Arsenal should look to improve.

There is a reason why he is a nothing player for Brazil and never will be. He is just there to make numbers and get subbed in the 87th min to give Vini and Rodrygo a breather.

Martinelli is nowhere near those two and that is the level of players that Arsenal should be looking at considering the financial resources of the club these days.

Why settle for middling players when Arsenal can now push for the best in class players.

As far as Havertz is concerned, it is not about what he is now but what he can become. This is why Arsenal signed him.

As far as Martinelli is concerned, he can never become world class unless he has a brain transplant.

It is easy to say other person is trolling when you can’t counter his argument.
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You don't like Martinelli but will defend Cobra Kai. Loool
 
Mamoon said:
Havertz:

39 caps for Germany at 24 with 13 goals.

Martinelli:

7 caps for Brazil at 22 with 0 goals.
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🤣🤣 who cares about international football.

In regards ro posters countering your non existent football knowledge, no one needs to as your just trolling once again.

As much as you want to over hype havertz, reality Arteta or no other manager is polishing a turd in havertz and turning him into a diamond so stop being deluded.
 
Arsenal are working to extend Ben White’s contract as he’s next one in the list after Martin Ødegaard. #AFC

Club very happy with his performances and attitude. New deal talks to advance soon.
 
Great weekend for Arsenal.

Results definitely went their way - looking good at the Emirates apart from the Saka injury.
 
Vital that we dispatch Lens so we can go into that City game sky high.

This City game has to be the one that we finally win. They're without KDB and Rodri, maybe Stones too, with a weaker squad and have just lost 2 in a row. Cannot afford to miss this opportunity to go past them with a win and send confidence soaring.

Praying that Partey will be back. This team could beat them:

Raya, White Saliba Gabriel Zinchenko, Rice Partey Odegaard, Saka Jesus Trossard (assuming Martinelli isn't fit)

If you want to be the best, you gotta beat the best, at least at home no way around it. COYG
 
A bit late to the party didn't get a chance to post on the weekend. Turned out a good weekend for Arsenal.

We have been good away from home so I was pretty confident. Zinchenko had one of his better games and Eddie did well in parts - so have to be fair to say they were decent.

Havertz was OK, he has broke his duck so lets see if he can kick on. We can only back him as Arteta will persist with him it seems. Wouldn't hold my breath that he suddenly becomes value for money, but lets see.

Need Saka fit for City as Ake had a shocker at LB vs Neto this weekend, need Saka to expose him again.

I did predict that City would not win this week.

All in all a good set of results for Arsenal this weekend. I know Spurs are level with Arsenal which is great for them but I dont consider them serious. They drew against us at our worst with Jorg and Havertz in midfield, and then relied on a own goal in injury time to beat a 9 man team. But then celebrated like they had won the league or something bringing their kids out and lot! Liverpool dropping points was ideal.

Did I read correctly above that someone said Havertz over Martinelli?!! I'll avoid discussions with that poster I think as they have lost all credibility of having any sort of Football Knowledge!

Lens Away next. Rotate I think as they are pretty average. ESR, Nelson, Ramsdale, Tomy and crew should get a run out and be enough to beat them although will be a hostile atmosphere.
 
Firebat said:
Rumours out in full force

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Arsenal will continue to monitor Wolves and Portugal forward Pedro Neto with the hope of signing the 23-year-old in the January transfer window. (Mirror)

Arsenal also have their eye on 19-year-old Sporting Lisbon and Ivory Coast defender Ousmane Diomande. (Givemesport)

Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur have expressed an interest in 22-year-old Feyenoord and Mexico striker Santiago Gimenez. (Fijaches - in Spanish)
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We were linked a couple of seasons ago before he picked up his bad injury. Would be ideal competition for Saka and fits the profile we are after age wise
 
MK7Z said:
We were linked a couple of seasons ago before he picked up his bad injury. Would be ideal competition for Saka and fits the profile we are after age wise
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To add to this Pedro Neto has said before that he was an Arsenal fan growing up. One to watch for sure.

I think it we can stay in reach of whoever is on top of the league by January. Get what we need RW+CF. Partey Fully fit then it massively increases our chances. I fully believe that we can do it. Partey missing for AfCon is a blow but I dont see us going for a CM/DM unless he Leaves.

Highly unlikely we go that big in Jan anyway.
 
Arsenal definitely need partey back for sunday. A midfield of Rice, partey and oddegard gives Arsenal a chance of possibly getting something from game.

Arteta needs to get his tactics right as Pep made him look like a glorified cone distributor in the 3 games last season.

Also team needs to get over the weak mental block vs City and cut out the mistakes. As City will punish any charity from Arsenal
 
Mamoon said:
The only thing that is absurd is Arsenal fans refusing to accept that Martinelli is a rash player with average decision-making and that it is a position that Arsenal should look to improve.

There is a reason why he is a nothing player for Brazil and never will be. He is just there to make numbers and get subbed in the 87th min to give Vini and Rodrygo a breather.

Martinelli is nowhere near those two and that is the level of players that Arsenal should be looking at considering the financial resources of the club these days.

Why settle for middling players when Arsenal can now push for the best in class players.

As far as Havertz is concerned, it is not about what he is now but what he can become. This is why Arsenal signed him.

As far as Martinelli is concerned, he can never become world class unless he has a brain transplant.

It is easy to say other person is trolling when you can’t counter his argument.
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You have been trolling. I have no doubt about that at all. The big giveaway was when you mentioned "Havertz man of the match".

Martinelli is rated as one of the best left wingers in world football but for some reason you think Mitoma is better. If we go by two reputable sources, 90min and FourFourTwo, they both rate Martinelli higher. Remember, he's also 4 years younger than his Japanese counterpart.

www.90min.com

The 25 best left wingers in world football - ranked

90min rank the 25 best left wingers in the world as part of the 2023 Welcome to World Class series.
www.90min.com www.90min.com
www.fourfourtwo.com

Ranked! The 10 best left-wingers in the world

The best left-wingers in the world, from those who create to those who score
www.fourfourtwo.com www.fourfourtwo.com

Funnily enough, Mitoma doesn't even feature in 90min's list of the top 25 left wingers.

You don't think much of Martinelli's standing as one of the most highly rated left wingers in world football which is fine. But when it comes to Havertz you're literally shifting goalposts because all of a sudden where he ranks among all the CAMs is suddenly irrelevant because of "what he can become". The irony is he's 2 years older than Havertz and therefore has more experience at the highest level, so with all due respect you're not making any sense here.

I don't know why on earth you're comparing their international records. Martinelli's lack of caps (and game time) for Brazil is because competing with Vinicius, who's undoubtedly one of the top two left wingers in the world.

As for Havertz, I've been watching football for over 20 years and this is by far the weakest Germany team I've seen in living memory. He would have no chance of making the bench let alone the first team, if his national side was anywhere near as good as the German sides from 2000 up until 2014.

The ridicule you're getting on this topic by other posters here speaks for itself. You're literally talking out of your backside.
 
https://www.givemesport.com/why-emi...9Vsxztn1wPiATaZyYeulxXS4mLR91OBoLRtEaSu-G9Oes

I feel for ESR. Arteta shouldn’t ignore him just like that. What will say he came on for 10 mins and still did better than Havertz. Couldn’t care less about the sympathic penalty.

Imagine getting benched by Kai Havertz of all players and seeing all of the support he gets. Understandable.

This is exactly what was going through my mind after he scored the penalty.

The way the rest of the team celebrated with him like he’s a 16 year old on debut was just cringeworthy to say the least.

I watched it live where there was extended coverage of the celebration. The cameras point to the subs warming up. ESR didn’t look thrilled to say the least.

To see him in tears and get mistreated like this makes me wonder whether I’ll be able to back Arteta if we fail to win either the PL or or CL.

Everything about Havertz just stinks up the club.
 
topspin said:
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I feel for ESR. Arteta shouldn’t ignore him just like that. What will say he came on for 10 mins and still did better than Havertz. Couldn’t care less about the sympathic penalty.

Imagine getting benched by Kai Havertz of all players and seeing all of the support he gets. Understandable.

This is exactly what was going through my mind after he scored the penalty.

The way the rest of the team celebrated with him like he’s a 16 year old on debut was just cringeworthy to say the least.

I watched it live where there was extended coverage of the celebration. The cameras point to the subs warming up. ESR didn’t look thrilled to say the least.

To see him in tears and get mistreated like this makes me wonder whether I’ll be able to back Arteta if we fail to win either the PL or or CL.

Everything about Havertz just stinks up the club.
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Like I said before the whole havertz penalty was nothing more then a face saving exercise to justify his 💩 signing.

Also ESR treatment is no different to balagun. Like I said Arteta hasn't brought through a single "new" hale end player in 4 years in charge. Just a token gesture selection of nwaneri and sagoe jnr.

If I was ESR I'd ask to leave in January and go join Brighton, villa or Newcastle.
 
Firebat said:
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By far our most important player in the side. When he was injured at the back end of last season, we had to play Holding in his place. Difference in defending was literally night and day.

After Saliba, our next most important player is Rice. We were not the same team against Spurs when he had to go off at half time.

Saka and Odegaard are our two players technically and ability wise but the players who can cover for them are better than the reserve options we have in CB and DM.
 
topspin said:
You have been trolling. I have no doubt about that at all. The big giveaway was when you mentioned "Havertz man of the match".

Martinelli is rated as one of the best left wingers in world football but for some reason you think Mitoma is better. If we go by two reputable sources, 90min and FourFourTwo, they both rate Martinelli higher. Remember, he's also 4 years younger than his Japanese counterpart.

www.90min.com

The 25 best left wingers in world football - ranked

90min rank the 25 best left wingers in the world as part of the 2023 Welcome to World Class series.
www.90min.com www.90min.com
www.fourfourtwo.com

Ranked! The 10 best left-wingers in the world

The best left-wingers in the world, from those who create to those who score
www.fourfourtwo.com www.fourfourtwo.com

Funnily enough, Mitoma doesn't even feature in 90min's list of the top 25 left wingers.

You don't think much of Martinelli's standing as one of the most highly rated left wingers in world football which is fine. But when it comes to Havertz you're literally shifting goalposts because all of a sudden where he ranks among all the CAMs is suddenly irrelevant because of "what he can become". The irony is he's 2 years older than Havertz and therefore has more experience at the highest level, so with all due respect you're not making any sense here.

I don't know why on earth you're comparing their international records. Martinelli's lack of caps (and game time) for Brazil is because competing with Vinicius, who's undoubtedly one of the top two left wingers in the world.

As for Havertz, I've been watching football for over 20 years and this is by far the weakest Germany team I've seen in living memory. He would have no chance of making the bench let alone the first team, if his national side was anywhere near as good as the German sides from 2000 up until 2014.

The ridicule you're getting on this topic by other posters here speaks for itself. You're literally talking out of your backside.
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That says more about the quality of these “reputable” sources than the Mitoma.

If 90min thinks he is not one of the top 25 LWs in the world then they clearly don’t know what they are talking about. Reputable my backside.

Anyone who has watched them both play over the past 12 months and is not blind can clearly see that Mitoma is superior than the Brazilian Walcott.

He is a better dribbler, his touch is better, he keeps his head up and makes good decisions in the final third. He loses the ball less frequently and does less dumb things with the ball.

There is no doubt that Mitoma would be better for Arsenal than Martinelli simply because he is a more intelligent player and would enjoy better chemistry with the other players.

Whenever Martinelli is replaced by Trossard, it is very obvious to see that Trossard is way more intelligent. Same would happen if Mitoma were to replace Martinelli.

Mitoma is criminally underrated because he is Japanese. If he was Michael from England or Mitodinho from São Paulo, he would have had a much higher reputation.

Martinelli scored 15 goals last season but that reflects poorly on him. He should have scored 25+ with the way Arsenal played, the positions he got into and the chances he had.

It is his poor decision-making and head down approach that cost him at least 10+ goals and assists and it will cost him this season as well.
 
So Mitoma being underrated has nothing to do with the fact he is 26 and has barely 100 senior appearances. He is a good player dont get me wrong but to say he has end product etc you clearly do not watch him for 90 mins. He is very wasteful.

Martinelli is 22 - I 100% guarantee you come 26 he will have way more goals and assists than Mitoma.

This is the same Mitoma who plays for the team who has the most goals this season? Can't say he would do better in a different team, there is no logic.
 
Mamoon said:
That says more about the quality of these “reputable” sources than the Mitoma.

If 90min thinks he is not one of the top 25 LWs in the world then they clearly don’t know what they are talking about. Reputable my backside.

Anyone who has watched them both play over the past 12 months and is not blind can clearly see that Mitoma is superior than the Brazilian Walcott.

He is a better dribbler, his touch is better, he keeps his head up and makes good decisions in the final third. He loses the ball less frequently and does less dumb things with the ball.

There is no doubt that Mitoma would be better for Arsenal than Martinelli simply because he is a more intelligent player and would enjoy better chemistry with the other players.

Whenever Martinelli is replaced by Trossard, it is very obvious to see that Trossard is way more intelligent. Same would happen if Mitoma were to replace Martinelli.

Mitoma is criminally underrated because he is Japanese. If he was Michael from England or Mitodinho from São Paulo, he would have had a much higher reputation.

Martinelli scored 15 goals last season but that reflects poorly on him. He should have scored 25+ with the way Arsenal played, the positions he got into and the chances he had.

It is his poor decision-making and head down approach that cost him at least 10+ goals and assists and it will cost him this season as well.
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I don't think you'll find any independent footballing source who rates Mitoma higher than Martinelli. I also don't agree that he should be expected to score 25+ goals a season. That's not easy to achieve for a centere forward let alone a winger. He didn't get that many chances to achieve that milestone anyway.

Walcott has zero footballing IQ but Martinelli is miles ahead of him in every aspect barring pace.

If Mitoma is as good as you say he is, he would've got the recognition just like Salah has. Like Mitoma, he doesn't come from Europe or South America.

But enough about Martinelli. You're never going to rate him even if he does score 25+ goals in the league.

Let's switch our focus on Havertz. If you think so highly of him, where do you think he'll end up ranking among the best CAMs? and when do you think that would be achievable? I just want to get your perspective on how good you think he is.
 
Trossard in for nketitah

Tomiyasu in for white

Arsenal playing with 10 men this game

"Win" the dog will be penalty taker tonight if Arsenal get one

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MK7Z said:
So Mitoma being underrated has nothing to do with the fact he is 26 and has barely 100 senior appearances. He is a good player dont get me wrong but to say he has end product etc you clearly do not watch him for 90 mins. He is very wasteful.

Martinelli is 22 - I 100% guarantee you come 26 he will have way more goals and assists than Mitoma.

This is the same Mitoma who plays for the team who has the most goals this season? Can't say he would do better in a different team, there is no logic.
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Any Arsenal fan who thinks low of Martinelli is either trolling, agenda driven or unknowledgeable about the game.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Trossard in for nketitah

Tomiyasu in for white

Arsenal playing with 10 men this game

"Win" the dog will be penalty taker tonight if Arsenal get one

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Saka and Jesus picked up knocks on the weekend. I struggle to understand why they can't be rested when we have City to face on Sunday.

ESR deserved a start ahead of Havertz as well.
 
topspin said:
Any Arsenal fan who thinks low of Martinelli is either trolling, agenda driven or unknowledgeable about the game.
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Everyone knows mamoon is trolling, no point feeding him and giving him attention.
 
topspin said:
Saka and Jesus picked up knocks on the weekend. I struggle to understand why they can't be rested when we have City to face on Sunday.

ESR deserved a start ahead of Havertz as well.
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Saka definitely should have been rested and probably Jesus as well. Could have played Nelson and ESR. Why given Nelson new contract if your not going to use him in squad and everyone can see Artetas poor management of ESR.

Hopefully a big win tonight and try and win group as quickly as possible
 
Fine finish by Jesus. Just what we need from him going into the big game on Sunday.
 
Awful ball from Raya. Great finish from Thomasson.
 
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