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Also when he stays up with patience. When he becomes impatient he starts going deep and as a result finds himself less in goal scoring positions.
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Ramsdale would've been happy to see that.really bad keeping. Gifted a goal away.
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Again the question has to be asked why is Saka playing today? He's struggling again and has had to come off.
Awful man management from Arteta.
Awful man management from Arteta.
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Saka off injured, brilliant management from Arteta again
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Arteta is actually deranged
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You will still get Arteta fan boys defending him. 100% poor decision
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Why not bring ESR instead of Vieira
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Wish we had jude Bellingham in this team instead of Havertz
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Atrocious and incompetent management, was no need to play him tonight. Could be without Martinelli and saka on Sunday now.
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The good and the bad from Jesus in this half
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Just seen it. Terrific solo goal.
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Can't believe it.
No way are we 3rd or 4th favourites to win the CL.
No way are we 3rd or 4th favourites to win the CL.
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You're right it feels like we're playing with 10 men whenever we've got Havertz on. The team is compounded further by Saka hobbling off. Arteta made a dumb sub at this stage. Instead of bringing a like-for-like sub in Nelson, he brought in Vieria.
You're right it feels like we're playing with 10 men whenever we've got Havertz on. The team is compounded further by Saka hobbling off. Arteta made a dumb sub at this stage. Instead of bringing a like-for-like sub in Nelson, he brought in Vieria.
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Awful, what the hell was that, whole team was poor from top to bottom. Fair play to Lens, they scored some fantastic goals and their fans was unbelievable. We are obviously still too mentally weak to handle being under the cosh at a big European atmosphere. And why did Saka have to start this game Mikel?? With City around the corner??
First loss of the season at least, but of course it had to come before Man City
Was hoping Partey could get 20 mins as a sign that he could come in on Sunday for Havertz, but I guess he's still not ready.
First loss of the season at least, but of course it had to come before Man City
Was hoping Partey could get 20 mins as a sign that he could come in on Sunday for Havertz, but I guess he's still not ready.
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Bukayo Saka: Injury against Lens 'a worry' for Arsenal, says Mikel Arteta
Mikel Arteta said Bukayo Saka's latest injury is "a worry" - but doesn't regret picking him to play in Arsenal's 2-1 Champions League defeat at Lens.
Saka set up Gabriel Jesus' goal, but went off with a muscular problem in the 34th minute as his side lost for the first time this season.
Saka, 22, had started his side's last two games before being withdrawn with injury concerns, and is now a doubt for Sunday's crucial Premier League game with champions Manchester City at Emirates Stadium.
But asked if he regretted picking Saka against Lens, Arsenal boss Arteta said: "No. It was a knock that he had the other day and he was perfectly fine.
"It was a backheel, an action that can produce that kind of injury. He tried to backheel a ball in the first half and felt something muscular. He felt uncomfortable to carry on so we had to take him off.
"He hasn't really missed games. We gave him a break against Brentford [in the Carabao Cup] last week and that was all."
England forward Saka is an ever-present in Arsenal's side and has started 87 consecutive league appearances.
So much of the Gunners attacking play goes through Saka that it was no surprise their tempo and energy significantly reduced against Lens following his departure and they slipped to a disappointing loss in Group B.
Arteta will not want to lose such a key figure for the visit of Pep Guardiola's City, who lead the table by one point from Tottenham and Arsenal.
He added: "Let's see what the extent of it is. The last few were more knocks than anything else.
"We don't know anything more. It was big enough not to allow him to continue to play the game and that's a worry for us."
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Mikel Arteta said Bukayo Saka's latest injury is "a worry" - but doesn't regret picking him to play in Arsenal's 2-1 Champions League defeat at Lens.
Saka set up Gabriel Jesus' goal, but went off with a muscular problem in the 34th minute as his side lost for the first time this season.
Saka, 22, had started his side's last two games before being withdrawn with injury concerns, and is now a doubt for Sunday's crucial Premier League game with champions Manchester City at Emirates Stadium.
But asked if he regretted picking Saka against Lens, Arsenal boss Arteta said: "No. It was a knock that he had the other day and he was perfectly fine.
"It was a backheel, an action that can produce that kind of injury. He tried to backheel a ball in the first half and felt something muscular. He felt uncomfortable to carry on so we had to take him off.
"He hasn't really missed games. We gave him a break against Brentford [in the Carabao Cup] last week and that was all."
England forward Saka is an ever-present in Arsenal's side and has started 87 consecutive league appearances.
So much of the Gunners attacking play goes through Saka that it was no surprise their tempo and energy significantly reduced against Lens following his departure and they slipped to a disappointing loss in Group B.
Arteta will not want to lose such a key figure for the visit of Pep Guardiola's City, who lead the table by one point from Tottenham and Arsenal.
He added: "Let's see what the extent of it is. The last few were more knocks than anything else.
"We don't know anything more. It was big enough not to allow him to continue to play the game and that's a worry for us."
Saka injury 'a worry' for Arsenal - Arteta
Mikel Arteta says Bukayo Saka's latest injury is "a worry" but he does not regret picking him for Arsenal's 2-1 defeat at Lens in the Champions League.
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So Lens embarrase Arsenal again the in the CL. The "weakest team in the group"
Those fans old enough will remember 98/99 when lens finished 2nd in Arsenal's group. That was pretty shameful. As was last night, a team currently near the relegation zone in French league.
One deluded fan seems to think Arteta will win the CL, a manager who has been embarrassed by olympiakos, villareal, sporting Lisbon and now Lens. Let's blame the defeat on martinelli and his lack of development
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Team selection last night a shambles - started game with 10 men, plus an not fully fit saka. Saka gets injured. He will be either burnt come march again or will end up with a serious injury this season.
Raya was poor tonight.
2 full backs were run ragged, Doku and grealish will be licking their lips for sunday.
Arsenal gave away cheap goals again, im sure we will gift at least 1 to City on Sunday
Captain ozil-gaard dissapeared after a good start.
Anyone see havertz? Oh his weekend goal will transform him into a better player hows that working out?
Jesus scores a goal then is wasteful there after not clinical enough
Substitutions and plan B? Apart from the force change early on, the subs as usual were made in the 70th minute and were like for like. Predicticable as they come
2 games into CL league and already points dropped in PL and CL because manager is clueless when it comes to squad rotation
Yet another reality check for Arteta cheerleaders - you will see this fraud of a manager is not good enough to take this club to next level.
Those fans old enough will remember 98/99 when lens finished 2nd in Arsenal's group. That was pretty shameful. As was last night, a team currently near the relegation zone in French league.
One deluded fan seems to think Arteta will win the CL, a manager who has been embarrassed by olympiakos, villareal, sporting Lisbon and now Lens. Let's blame the defeat on martinelli and his lack of development
.Team selection last night a shambles - started game with 10 men, plus an not fully fit saka. Saka gets injured
. He will be either burnt come march again or will end up with a serious injury this season.Raya was poor tonight.
2 full backs were run ragged, Doku and grealish will be licking their lips for sunday.
Arsenal gave away cheap goals again, im sure we will gift at least 1 to City on Sunday
Captain ozil-gaard dissapeared after a good start.
Anyone see havertz? Oh his weekend goal will transform him into a better player
hows that working out?Jesus scores a goal then is wasteful there after not clinical enough
Substitutions and plan B? Apart from the force change early on, the subs as usual were made in the 70th minute and were like for like. Predicticable as they come
2 games into CL league and already points dropped in PL and CL because manager is clueless when it comes to squad rotation
Yet another reality check for Arteta cheerleaders - you will see this fraud of a manager is not good enough to take this club to next level.
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Not a great night. Should have won and created enough to.
Have to say 2 cracking finishes by Lens!
We are currently playing Handicapped with Havertz in there. However a few players have to look at themselves.
Tomy at RB is not it. Saka going off destroyed that side. Viera Odegard were poor to. Raya could potentially be blamed for the 1st goal but was a cracking move after that.
Zinchenko for the 2nd goal showing once again he does not have a defensive brain.
ESR looked lively. Nelson cameo was poor. Trossard 1st touch let him down lots
Not a good European away day, and only going to get tougher if we progress. Lots to think about
Have to say 2 cracking finishes by Lens!
We are currently playing Handicapped with Havertz in there. However a few players have to look at themselves.
Tomy at RB is not it. Saka going off destroyed that side. Viera Odegard were poor to. Raya could potentially be blamed for the 1st goal but was a cracking move after that.
Zinchenko for the 2nd goal showing once again he does not have a defensive brain.
ESR looked lively. Nelson cameo was poor. Trossard 1st touch let him down lots
Not a good European away day, and only going to get tougher if we progress. Lots to think about
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It’s getting obvious that Havertz’s presence is unsettling the team both on the pitch and also off the pitch.
Arteta needs to swallow his pride and accept the truth that’s he’s made an awful signing in bringing him to the club.
Fabio Vieira looks average. Arsenal need ESR back in midfield.
Arteta needs to swallow his pride and accept the truth that’s he’s made an awful signing in bringing him to the club.
Fabio Vieira looks average. Arsenal need ESR back in midfield.
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Vieira made zero impact when he came on.
Again it raises the question - why was Nelson given new contract and ESR kept at club if when there are injuries to players and then you are not going to play them. Nelson or ESR are better out wide then Vieira.
Yet again Arteta trying to force players into team no matter what.
If there is no saka or Martinelli on Sunday and probably partey just on bench. Getting anything from man city will be tougher
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Also, you could see the difference between Trossard and what we where missing from Martinelli.
I rate Trossard but he's isn't as good as the Brazilian.
Last night's game was a good reality check for anyone cussing Martinelli.
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Yeah we really missed Martinelli doing dumb things with the ball and taking the wrong decisions in the box.
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I will never forget this. The day Martinelli was exposed for the fraud that he is.
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First defeat of the season after 10 games, 1 point off the top of the league. Arsenal fans will cry no matter what.
Time to move on from this disappointing result and take City to task at the Emirates.
Massive win loading but then we will see City lovers claim that Arsenal won because City had several players out as if Arsenal is not dealing with injury problems of its own.
Time to move on from this disappointing result and take City to task at the Emirates.
Massive win loading but then we will see City lovers claim that Arsenal won because City had several players out as if Arsenal is not dealing with injury problems of its own.
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It's alright Arteta, havertz and Vieira took up the mantel of being dumb.
Yet another embarrassing european defeat for fraudeta, your delusion to think this guy will win a CL
Guy can't even beat farmers league trams in europa or CL
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No one on PP will forget this day - the day your "title is in the bag" fell apart and you ran off into hiding like a coward.
The day where Arteta was exposed as tactically inept.
Signed jorghino for his "big game experience" but when it was needed he was left on the bench when ozil-gaard was taken off as Arsenal lost control of the midfield
The same game where Arteta decide kiwor was the answer to the game. Went to a back 3 and gave up possession and let 2 of the best crossers in PL in TAA and Robertson having free space and time to keep crossing ball in
Same fraudeta who left liability crychenko on who got nutmegged and lead to the equaliser
But don't let all these facts slap rotten eggs and tomatoes all over your face again because of your comical agenda on Martinelli
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Only rider he is you and your delusional fascination with fraudeta and havertz thinking they are world class.
We saw you flip flops last season
"Man city will take 6 points of Arsenal"
"Arsenal will win at emirates"
"Man city fluked a win at emirates"
"Title is in the bag"
The fact you can't even stick to a prediction for more then 5 minutes is why no one takes you seriously and you have zero credability
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comedy chest beating has begun. Let's look at all these gems from last season 
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oh god the above images are damning. I mean saying you dont mind losing to Liverpool? what kind of mentality is that
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There is no chance we will ever beat Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona, PSG and City when it comes to getting the signature of their prime targets
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The good think about current format of PP is I can go and screen shot all of Mamoons comedy gems and repost them as snapshots. Hes got nowhere to hide when he flip-flops his opinion every few hours
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It's alright Arteta, havertz and Vieira took up the mantel of being dumb.
Yet another embarrassing european defeat for fraudeta, your delusion to think this guy will win a CL
Guy can't even beat farmers league trams in europa or CL
Arteta looks lost when it comes to away trips in Europe. No doubt about that.
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You would've thought he would humble himself after all those outlandish posts but no thanks to him he's turned into section of the forum into a comedy thread.
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We did beat City to Rice. But you could argue that was more to do with the fact that he wanted to stay in London.
I don't think PSG are as attractive as they used to be after the way the club and their fans treated Messi and co.
As for Bayern, most of the top players would rather play in England or Spain.
Madrid and Barca I agree with. These two clubs are the most sought for destinations at present.
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Edu had chance to sign Bellingham when he was fairly young. But story says Edu didn't know who he was and didn't want to take a risk.
In regards to Bellingham now, best thing is for his career is to play his peak years at Madrid
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Mamoon was berating wenger for being poor in Europe and that Arteta is some sort of tactical genius in European games.
Arsenal's best manager I'm European games was George Graham by a country mile.
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Wow the more I hear about Edu, the more I realise how incompetent he really is.
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I remember very well with Wenger even with the great Arsenal teams in the early 2000s losing to bums in Eastern Europe. But that improved in the mid to late 2000s.
Arteta has been a disaster in Europe. How he's not managed to win an Europa with the team he's got is just pathetic in my view.
George Graham was before my time as I started watching and supporting Arsenal in 2000 but it would be interesting to know how he fared in Europe. I'm well aware though that the calibre of the teams in the 90s from Spain and Italy were very strong and better than their English counterparts.
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Laughable nonsense as usual.
Pep took 8 years and an unlimited budget to win the UCL and Arteta has already been adjudged by inpatient and ignorant fans.
“Arsenal will never progress with Arteta”
“Arsenal will never make the top 4 with Arteta”
Arsenal will never fight for the title with Arteta”
And now, “Arteta can’t compete in Europe”
He has owned his critics before and he will own his critics again. Undoubtedly one of the top managers in the world and Arsenal is incredibly lucky to have him.
Pep took 8 years and an unlimited budget to win the UCL and Arteta has already been adjudged by inpatient and ignorant fans.
“Arsenal will never progress with Arteta”
“Arsenal will never make the top 4 with Arteta”
Arsenal will never fight for the title with Arteta”
And now, “Arteta can’t compete in Europe”
He has owned his critics before and he will own his critics again. Undoubtedly one of the top managers in the world and Arsenal is incredibly lucky to have him.
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Arsenal under GG were a pretty attacking side early on with Thomas, Rocastle, Smith, Merson, limpar, Hayes, groves. That all changed after English clubs got back in Europe and Arsenal played Benfica in european cup. 1st leg away 1-1, then 2nd leg Arsenal were to gun ho and got taken apart technically and lost 1-3 after extra time. GG then decided Arsensl had to be more defensive and pragmatic domestically and in Europe.
Club won the cup winners cup in 94 in competition which had Real Madrid, Ajax (uefa cup winners 92), Torino (uefa cup runners up 92), Parma (holders from previous season) PSG and Benfica all in the competition.
Arsenal beat Torino in quarter finals
Then beat a PSG team with (David Ginola and George weah) in semi finals
Then in final beat Parma 1-0 (Ian Wright our best player missed final with suspension) and parma front 3 was Brolin, zola and Asprilla
Tactically beat one of best sides in Europe with one of best striker forces as well.
Following season Arsenal beat a good auxerre (france) team in quarter finals, then a star studdied sampdoria in semi finals (a team with lombardo, jugovic, mihalovic and reberto manzoni) sven Goran Ericsson as manager as well.
Arsenal lost the final to the famous nayim goal from half way line in 119th minute vs zaragoza.
In the 2nd cup run in 94 95, GG use to pick 5 defenders and keown was used as a man to man marker on the opposition team, so no formation position just basic follow the opposition best player every where he went. Keown was a master in that role.
These are top tactics that had success in Europe.
That's like now a days someone picking a defender and there job is to mark salah, saka, KDB all game and follow them everywhere on the pitch
You get people like mamoon, immy69 other Arteta cheer leaders thinking arteta is a tactical genius, don't have a clue what really tactical management is.
That's why I don't get gassed up on all this inverted full backs etc.. all this has been done in past but just died out as football evolved and went through cycles.
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keep repeating the same stuff and keep convincing yourself of the utter nonsense. Arteta has been schooled in europa league and now be a relegation threatened farmers league team. Don't know which is more embarrassing Artetas incompetence or your comedy gems
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We just got beaten by a team placed 15th in Ligue 1. That's quite embarrassing but it's what we deserve for fielding Havertz because he doesn't even belong to Ligue 1 level.
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That's very good European record against some tough opposition with quality players. Not sure Arteta would've done much against those sides.
Also add Firebat and hitthestump to the list of Arteta cheerleaders.
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Arteta has not yet figured out the art of a European Away day.
Cant take factors like poor league form of the opposition when it comes to these games. Have to change the game plan
European nights are something else
Foreign referees, intimidating atmosphere, travel. Its about managing all that. Will hopefully come with experience
Cant take factors like poor league form of the opposition when it comes to these games. Have to change the game plan
European nights are something else
Foreign referees, intimidating atmosphere, travel. Its about managing all that. Will hopefully come with experience
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Arteta has done well up until this point overall with the team but he has a lot to learn. If he doesn't learn we could end up sitting outside top 4 and exiting CL after the second round.
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So what? Man City got rinsed by 16th placed Wolves over the weekend. This is football.
Ligue 1 level? Ligue 1 level is good. It is far better than what deluded PL fans think who think that their overhyped league is better than everyone else even though every year, plenty of English clubs are taken to task by clubs from so-called inferior leagues in both UCL and UEL.
Didn’t Man City lose to Lyon in the UCL QFs after running away with the PL title?
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Typical deluded PL fan who thinks there is no football outside England lol.I'm sure mamoon will tell you know that farmers league is one of strongest in Europe
Cut the “farmers” league BS. Ligue 1 is a competent league and far better than what deluded PL fans think.
Ask Pep and his billion pound team who got rinsed by Lyon in the UCL QFs.
The relative strength of the PL is a myth cooked up by the English media and consumed by the ignorant fans.
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I'm sure mamoon will tell you know that farmers league is one of strongest in Europe
Haha reminds me of "Pepe is one of the hottest properties in Europe" just after we signed him. I'll never forget that gem.
I guess we'll may as well take Lacazette back because he might just be one of the hottest assets after blowing Ligue 1 away with his 27 goals last season.
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On that basis we may as well re-sign Lacazette because he's doing better (numbers wise) in front of goal than any of our front 3.
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These independent sources both rate Ligue 1 as the 5th best in Europe.
https://www.teamform.com/en/league-ranking/world
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2023/08/the-strongest-leagues-in-world-football-opta-power-rankings/
However, TeamForm rank the French league to be inferior to the Brazilian league. I think this assessment right here speaks volumes.
https://www.teamform.com/en/league-ranking/world
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There are examples of players who played their best football in England as compared to else where.
Such individual examples don’t mean anything. Of course, the PL is better than Ligue 1 but the gap isn’t as enormous as some people make it to be.
PL fans overrate the PL and underrate other leagues. It is a fact.
No set of fans disrespect other leagues as much as English fans do but I think it is mainly to compensate for the fact that the England national team achieved nothing in spite of boasting the so-called strongest league in the world that is apparently thousand times better than everything else.
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These “independent” sources have their own agendas.
PL and La Liga are on par, then you have Serie A and Bundesliga slightly behind and Ligue 1 slightly behind them.
Relatively speaking, Ligue 1 is not one of the strongest leagues in Europe but the gap isn’t nearly as big as some make it to be.
Deluded PL fans would tell you that PL is in a class of its own and there is daylight and moonlight between the PL and other leagues but that is total nonsense.
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Bottom line is Arsenal lost to a inferior team and should be disappointed, fans should not make excuses and try to justify by analysing every league in the world to come to the same conclusion that Arsenal lost to a team they should have beaten.
We lost accept it and move on. Its ok to say we were poor. Arteta made mistakes. Its ok. Does not make you a negative fan
We lost accept it and move on. Its ok to say we were poor. Arteta made mistakes. Its ok. Does not make you a negative fan
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Arteta was 1st Arsenal manager to take the club out of Europe in 25+ years, embarrassing to say the least.
Since then he's been humilated by olmpiakos, villareal, sporting Lisbon and now lens.
You going to tell everyone Greek and Portuguese leagues are best around as well.
Face facts the so called tactical astute Arteta who you dancing around in your underpants over has been humilated by 2nd or even 3rd rate europa league standards teams.
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It was very difficult switching between Arsenal and Utd last night. 
Arteta wants to be the Einstein of mangers.
How long is Saka out for ? @Amjid Javed
Arteta wants to be the Einstein of mangers.
How long is Saka out for ? @Amjid Javed
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Not sure full extent of injury, saka usually recovers quickly. But if he's missing against Man city, Arsenal in trouble.It was very difficult switching between Arsenal and Utd last night.
Arteta wants to be the Einstein of mangers.
How long is Saka out for ? @Amjid Javed
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He wont start v City, hopefully its not a long absence, your team needs him bigtime.
At home, a point should be the bare minimum. If you keep losing and losing badly to City, it will continue to show the difference in levels. When LFC won the league or came close on the other occasions, we didnt lose to City at home.
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You guys usually faired well in the games vs City in title races, vast majority of games were close and competitive. Last season Man City battered and bruised Arsenal and it wasn't competitive at all. Then you had sore losers like mamoon coming out with excuses like this
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So Man city have bernado Silva back, grealish is getting more match fitness. John Stones is on the bench. So barring KDB and Rodri (suspended) looks like City will have near enough everyone else back available.
If Martinelli and saka are out, that means Arteta has to get his selections out wide correct, plus the correct 3 in central midfield. That means no passengers on Sunday.
If Martinelli and saka are out, that means Arteta has to get his selections out wide correct, plus the correct 3 in central midfield. That means no passengers on Sunday.
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City's squad isnt as great as previous times, esp in defence imo they have overated a couple of players. But overall still a strong squad, which can fill the gaps due to injuries or suspension.
Not sure what Mamoon is saying, you have to win matches esp at home against the team you are trying to take the trophy off.
City have been leaking goals, even today. Arsenal at home, with the crowd need to come out guns blazing. If Arsenal fail to take a point at home, it shows the gap is still there.
@Mamoon Prediction for this match?
My prediction - Arsenal 1 - 2 City.
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Watching this Newcastle-PSG game and feeling a little jealous...
Left wondering when was the last time Arsenal battered a big club like this? Even horrific Chelsea last year we only beat 1-0 and 3-1. Our slightly formulaic football and lack of clinical finishing means we rarely get big nights like this.
Left wondering when was the last time Arsenal battered a big club like this? Even horrific Chelsea last year we only beat 1-0 and 3-1. Our slightly formulaic football and lack of clinical finishing means we rarely get big nights like this.
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Newcastle destroyed PSG. We can’t even beat Lens, who’re 15th in the league.
Puts things into perspective doesn’t it @Mamoon ?
Maybe Eddie Howe knows what he’s doing. Not sure Arteta is given his absymal track record in Europe.
Puts things into perspective doesn’t it @Mamoon ?
Maybe Eddie Howe knows what he’s doing. Not sure Arteta is given his absymal track record in Europe.
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Arsenal 2-1 City
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No it doesn’t, these things happen in football. It doesn’t mean anything.
City got rinsed by Wolves but they could beat Bayern tomorrow.
Newcastle beat PSG but lost 3-1 to Brighton who lost to AEK Athens.
What perspective are you talking about? PL fans are a funny lot - every time an English club beats a foreign club, it is because the PL is the best thing since sliced bread but when a PL team gets rinsed by a team from a so-called inferior league, there is silence.
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the back tracking disclaimer that your now using every time you get humbled after your comical over hype.Let's looks at your latest comedy gems
"Arteta is tactically astute and will win the CL"
Yet every time he's been embarrassed in europa league and now CL, your excuse is
"These things happen in football"
"PL is overated"
Even if the PL us overated according to your clueless knowledge, the so called "best young manager in world" according to you and you underpants twirking should be able to shine in Europe.
Then shitze haverz.
"The best young European talent"
"He's a huge upgrade of xhaka"
"Arteta will take him to next level"
To
"Oh it doesn't matter if he fails as so have players in past"
"He's been signed on potential"
4th season in PL and signed on "potential" yet you criticise other players who have shown miles more ability in less time.
All the time you give it the bravado and hype, then come out with weak disclaimers to try and cover your back, or diversion tactics by criticising or overhyped something else.
Absolutely hilarious
let all rest see your latest excuses@Technics 1210 @KingKhanWC @James @topspin @Firebat @Geordie Ahmed
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Score predictions for Sundays game
@Technics 1210 @KingKhanWC @James @topspin @Firebat @Geordie Ahmed @Saj @MenInG @SpiritOf1903 @MK7Z
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If we win our remaining games, you could say it's an one-off blip but lets see how we do away to PSV and Sevilla. I doubt we'll win both of these games away from home.
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Definitely need Saka on Sunday.
Also partey needs to start.
If Arteta starts nketitah, havertz and Vieira it will be a long afternoon
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Oh God I can’t even bear to imagine to those 3 starting on Saturday.
I had no problem Nketiah starting ahead of Jesus at the start of the season because I thought he’d kick on but he’s reached his ceiling.
Jesus isn’t clinical but at least he’s a better player all-rounders
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3-1 Man City!
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This game hinges on Mikel.
Midfield of Rice Partey and Odegard significantly increases our chances but doubt Partey can start the game having not played a minute for so long.
What I do know is that Eddie and Havertz have to stay away from the starting 11. I feel like Eddie will start as Jesus did full 90 and Eddie didn't come on till late.
I am edging towards Arsenal 2-1 or a 2-2, its easy to say but if we dont make the amateur mistakes we make at the Emirates we will be ok.
I look at last years game at the Emirates and the 2 teams. We had Tomiyasu, Jorg and Eddie starting that game. This year we have Rice potentially Partey. Ben White will start and Jesus will play.
Man City from that team wont have Rodri, Gundo, KDB and Mahrez... I think we have a chance!!
if we don't beat them this weekend then I dont know when we will.
I think there is a red card in this game which will change the course of the match
Midfield of Rice Partey and Odegard significantly increases our chances but doubt Partey can start the game having not played a minute for so long.
What I do know is that Eddie and Havertz have to stay away from the starting 11. I feel like Eddie will start as Jesus did full 90 and Eddie didn't come on till late.
I am edging towards Arsenal 2-1 or a 2-2, its easy to say but if we dont make the amateur mistakes we make at the Emirates we will be ok.
I look at last years game at the Emirates and the 2 teams. We had Tomiyasu, Jorg and Eddie starting that game. This year we have Rice potentially Partey. Ben White will start and Jesus will play.
Man City from that team wont have Rodri, Gundo, KDB and Mahrez... I think we have a chance!!
if we don't beat them this weekend then I dont know when we will.
I think there is a red card in this game which will change the course of the match
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100% Arsenal chances defend on Artetas selections and if he can actually show he's Not tactically inept
With international break coming up, Arsenal need to play strongest 11 available
That means Raya white saliba Gabriel and Tomiyasu. Zinchenko looks unfit and Is a liability defensively.
Midfield partey, Rice, Ozil-gaard.
Yes partey hasn't played for ages but you start him and after 60 mins you take him off if needs be. Ozil-gaard needs to turn up in a big game, he dissapeared in both City games
If saka and Martinelli are missing then. Then Jesus becomes most important player and he needs to stay central. Trossard and Nelson either side of him.
We never keep clean sheets so means we will need to score at least twice.
If arteta picks havert, Eddie and Vieira then Arsensl will get Hammered playing with 8 men.
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Martinelli was in full training today it seems as was Saka. I agree about Zinny. I hate that he consistently leaves Gabriel exposed but then Gabriel gets all the stick. Also when Gabriel receives the ball from the keeper he looks to his left and Zinny does not offer himself which means Gabriel hoofs it or goes backwards.
your last sentence is the key....
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Well if Martinelli and saka are fit they both play.
If Arteta plays havertz in midfield instead of partey, then it shows he's more bothered about his ego and justifying the
signing then he is winning a game.If we have a fully fit team to pick there an no excuses not to win the game
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Bukayo Saka injury update: Arsenal forward 'in contention' to face Manchester City
Arsenal boss Mikel Arteta says Bukayo Saka could be in contention to face Premier League champions Manchester City on Sunday.
The forward went off with a muscle injury in the first half of Tuesday's 2-1 Champions League defeat at Lens.
Saka, 22, has played in each of Arsenal's past 87 league games, a club-record streak in the Premier League.
"He is in contention, we'll see how he progresses from here to Sunday," Arteta said.
"Obviously he had to leave the pitch [against RC Lens], that's never good news, but let's see how he recovers."
Saka was also named in England's squad on Thursday for thw friendly with Australia and Euro 2024 qualifier with Italy.
Arteta says he has been in contact with England manager Gareth Southgate about Saka's situation.
"I have spoken to Gareth on several occasions. I have to do my job and give him the news," Arteta added.
"He needs to make the best decision for the national team. I'm not going to get involved there."
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I predicted 1-2 and will stick to this. Saka shouldnt play if not 100% fit, the mids will look for him but if he cant perform properly it could backfire against Arsenal.
City can leak goals this season, more than in recent years. Arsenal need the forwards to be clinical, the win is on.
But most importantly Arteta needs to stop his arrogance, play the best formation with the players in the right positions. Knowing Arteta he might try to outsmart Pep by playing Havertz up front.
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Doesn't matter what Arteta say Southgate Is just as dumb as Arteta.
Southgate will play saka 90 mins as per usual when it comes to England.
