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Asia Cup 2023: Pakistan vs India | Match 3 | 2 September | Pallakele | India innings

If you're not going to play Faheem or Wasim as 4th seamer on these pitches then they have no role in this side.

What was the need to announce the XI so quickly? Shadab is now leaking runs and bringing India back into the game.
 
Pakistan needs to shuffle their spinners... Try out Agha and Ifti... Keep changing them.

India needs to take adv of this phase... Once the pacers are off, it is the best time to bat against Pakistan.
 
Major said:
if you have played club cricket, you would know only keeper, slip and bowler can guide you. Captain standing at mid has no proper sight of things.
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Rizi wasn't confident here. They took the review on sheer optimism.
 
Major said:
it did, cause the ball was just kissing the bat. it was very very close in the slow mo. A few
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Major said:
it did, cause the ball was just kissing the bat. it was very very close in the slow mo. A few mm off
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Not to me. He was standing so close to the wicket. I did not see bat either hitting the ground or pad/shoe to even think about an edge. How could one not hear if can't see?
 
Predictable poor selection will cost us.

Bumrah will destroy us here. I'm expecting 140 to 150 is the best we'll manage.
 
sam_ahm said:
Superb bowling by Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf and while I know I'm repeating this time and again, but this is exactly why Pakistan needs an attacking spinner to build on the good work done by the fast bowlers.

Shadab is more of an all rounder for me who can work in a supporting role as a bowler. Abrar for Nawaz could be a good option, although it will weaken the batting a bit, it is a gamble worth taking.
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Amongst the top 15 averaging spinners since the 2019 World Cup to have taken a min of 20 wickets - there is only one Pakistani.

There was a graphic during the AFG series which showed while our pacers are statistically the best in the world - our spinners are the worst (even below Ireland).

To be fair, pace averages better than spin in ODIs in India over the last 4 years so if we can't find a gun spinner - it may be worth playing 4 seamers and 1 spinner with part-time overs from Iftikhar and Agha at the World Cup.
 
hitthestump said:
If you're not going to play Faheem or Wasim as 4th seamer on these pitches then they have no role in this side.

What was the need to announce the XI so quickly? Shadab is now leaking runs and bringing India back into the game.
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wait, you thought they would had dropped shadab khan for a pacer?
Even if Pakistan annunced the line up at toss, they were going to play two spinners. Nawaz hasnt bowled that bad that we start critisizing the decision.

If a 4th pacer was bought in, it would had been in place of Nawaz not Shadab.
 
Major said:
dumb commetary. You cant just bring in pace, you need to use spinners somewhere. Only 3 overs of spin bowled and everyone is already whining, atleast lets see the positon after 10 overs of spin
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It’s situational right. All 4 wickets fell to pace, and you have a chance to kill the innings right here. 1 or 2 more wickets to Shaheen, and India is staring down a collapse. That option won’t be true if a partnership develops for another 10-15 overs.
 
Abdur Razzaq on Geo news saying once the lights come into play in the 2nd innings it will be a different game with the ball swinging more. Predicts anything above 200-225 will be challenging to chase.
 
Major said:
wait, you thought they would had dropped shadab khan for a pacer?
Even if Pakistan annunced the line up at toss, they were going to play two spinners. Nawaz hasnt bowled that bad that we start critisizing the decision.

If a 4th pacer was bought in, it would had been in place of Nawaz not Shadab.
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Pak need a genuine wicket taking spinner. Opportunity to test Abrab and Usama was missed
 
ex-q-zit said:
Abdur Razzaq on Geo news saying once the lights come into play in the 2nd innings it will be a different game with the ball swinging more. Predicts anything above 200-225 will be challenging to chase.
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Pakistan is not chasing anything above 200 here, the ball will swing quite a bit.
 
Major said:
wait, you thought they would had dropped shadab khan for a pacer?
Even if Pakistan annunced the line up at toss, they were going to play two spinners. Nawaz hasnt bowled that bad that we start critisizing the decision.

If a 4th pacer was bought in, it would had been in place of Nawaz not Shadab.
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No it would have been for Nawaz. I know he is bowling well but that isn't really the point. The point is that the 4th seamer would have utilised these conditions better.
 
either bring in Ifti, or a pacer, shadab is leaking
 
hitthestump said:
No it would have been for Nawaz. I know he is bowling well but that isn't really the point. The point is that the 4th seamer would have utilised these conditions better.
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waseem jr isnt that special. had it been ihsanullah than yes.
 
Our spinners are weak, this was established fact. They have the worst average out of all cricketing nations since 2020.
 
Farabi said:
We all know that. That’s why aggressive decision making has an element or risk, or everyone would do it right
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doesnt mean you make rash decisions for the sake of aggresivness. Pakistan has to be sane and think about the death overs.
 
Major said:
waseem jr isnt that special. had it been ihsanullah than yes.
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No Zaman Khan is needed lol. Not zero line and length ihsanullah . If ihsanullah learns line and length then he'll be > Shaheen due to 150kph pace.
 
There should be a reload button which takes us directly to the last post in the current thread. :inti
 
hitthestump said:
If you're not going to play Faheem or Wasim as 4th seamer on these pitches then they have no role in this side.

What was the need to announce the XI so quickly? Shadab is now leaking runs and bringing India back into the game.
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Lack of a 4th seamer cost us at the MCG vs IND and it may cost us again today.

IND batsmen look comfortable milking spinners. Their averages against spin are very high.
 
All these milking against Spinners undoing any advantage gained by taking first four wickets add to that bad fielding.
 
Major said:
doesnt mean you make rash decisions for the sake of aggresivness. Pakistan has to be sane and think about the death overs.
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That's misbah level thinking. End the game here otherwise kishan will get that 300.

Good thing is that rain has made this pitch pace friendly and no spin.

Bad news, India got 4 pacers.
 
Awful spinners, and even worse captaincy
 
Farabi said:
It’s situational right. All 4 wickets fell to pace, and you have a chance to kill the innings right here. 1 or 2 more wickets to Shaheen, and India is staring down a collapse. That option won’t be true if a partnership develops for another 10-15 overs.
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not guaranteed. 50 overs need to be bowled if it doesnt rain, and spinners will have to be adjusted somewhere.
 
Major said:
doesnt mean you make rash decisions for the sake of aggresivness. Pakistan has to be sane and think about the death overs.
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There is a difference between rash and calculated aggression.
If India was 100/2 with 3 specialist batters to come, then it could be considered rash.

When you have india on the ropes for 85/4 and pace is creating chances for you, then there is no point thinking about 50 overs. 1-2 wickets and you’re in the tail
 
Captain simpleton letting the game slip as usual. Obsessed with the death of the innings at the 20 over mark
 
Well, I guess it is the ground conditions making the matter worse... it won't be easy to field out there.
 
Major said:
dumb commetary. You cant just bring in pace, you need to use spinners somewhere. Only 3 overs of spin bowled and everyone is already whining, atleast lets see the positon after 10 overs of spin
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Rather a dump comment here. You can bring a fast bowler for only 1-2 overs to change up things. India are cruisig and you have given away the early advantage by making it easier for the batsmen to settle.
 
Nawaz is the ideal neither here nor there bowler to give the batsmen form, let them feel the middle of the bat.

Where do our captains learn their cricket from.
 
India has to seriously think about their batting order. This top heavy approach will not work against teams with left arm quicks.
India will always be in trouble if they lose 3 wickets in the first 10. Almost all contending teams can recover from this. But India cannot.
 
spinners are bowling well, not giving extras. Bowling at good lines, shadab bowled one bad over
 
The one massive diff between India & pak is your last 3 guys SSA, NS and Rauf can bat, hit sixes and contribute.
for us -after wicket num 7, u might as well as pull in the shutters....kuldeep, siarj and jazz boom are bog useless with the bat.
 
As usual Babar let India to consolidate. Such a defensive mindset. 275 minimum.
 
Toothless spin bowling. Should go for the kill here rather than allowing India to bat for full 50 overs.
 
Easy going for the 2 Indian batters.

Surprised not to see Shaheen or Naseem given an over or 2 against them.
 
I don't know how easy/difficult it is today to grip a ball due to the wet field. It especially is tougher to bowl spin if one can't grip. I would be easy on Shadab
 
according to ppers, bowl 30 overs of pace, and than bring spiners back in for the last 20 overs
 
But it could also bee that the pitch has eased out a bit, and that is also a good sign.

But I will say again, that Pakistan should alway go with 4 pacers against India as we don't have any mystery spinner who can run through a side.

Our spinners will get wickets against poor teams who will look to take them on, but against good batsmen these spinners are not good at all.
 
Hardik always play good against us with both bat and ball and still we don't have any answer.
 
And why not try out Agha or chacha?
 
Siraj and Hardik will be unplayable if swing and seam continues on this pitch in the night.
 
There is way too much unnecessary criticism on Pakistan by Pakistani fans. Let the game finish. It is not easy out there on a wet surface to play.
 
Major said:
spinners are bowling well, not giving extras. Bowling at good lines, shadab bowled one bad over
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They don't look like taking a wicket Major. Haven't seen even a half chance.

This is the template now for Pakistan's opponents at World Cup - just block out the pacers upfront and go after the spinners.

Middle overs is a real weakness both with bat and ball.
 
66-4 should have been converted into 101-7 by keeping the pressure on but no here they are going to get a mammoth partnership without taking any risks. Shame
 
Tbh spinners are not bowling badly considering both these players are good players of spin, and the pitch is probably more suited for fast bowlers atm under these weather conditions.
 
Markhor said:
They don't look like taking a wicket Major. Haven't seen even a half chance.

This is the template now for Pakistan's opponents at World Cup - just block out the pacers upfront and go after the spinners.

Middle overs is a real weakness both with bat and ball.
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cant blame them, cause the pitch is wet, ball aint gripping aswell.

Babar cant bowl pacers till 30th, he needs to adjust the spinners somewhere, and what he has done now is correct. 8-10 overs of spin and than some pacers. Because if not the final 15, than the final 10 overs need to be of pacers.
 
Good delivery from Nawaz.

Right, Shaheen back on and the match could hinge on this spell.
 
CricVet said:
I don't know how easy/difficult it is today to grip a ball due to the wet field. It especially is tougher to bowl spin if one can't grip. I would be easy on Shadab
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if dew comes in, it will be harder for the spinners of the side bowling second...
 
boomboomcheema said:
66-4 should have been converted into 101-7 by keeping the pressure on but no here they are going to get a mammoth partnership without taking any risks. Shame
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bhai, agli team is India, not some mohallah ka team.
 
Dominic Cork: "I reckon we have 2 more overs before rain arrives again" 😢
 
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