England v India | 5th ODI | September 5, 2014 | Leeds

[Saurav]

Ashwin

 

[Justcrazy]

230 /5

 

[Justcrazy]

Stokes.

 

[Adil_94]

Excellent knock by Root.

 

[nish_mate]

Well played Root....

 

[Aman]

half a bowler+half a batsman= one decent cricketer
A bits and pieces would be Anwar Ali who is half a batsman and like a tenth of a bowler.
Plus Woakes has the ability to take 4s and 5fers which I suppose is good enough. He took a 6fer vs Australia and actually earned the wickets. Plus his FC stats are that of a genuine allrounder.

Half a bowler + half a batsmen = not up to international standard.

 

[nish_mate]

"So be it" refers to the point that I am would prefer the possibility of us losing as long as we get face these tough situations as opposed to preferring some easy wins against a hapless English side where our weaknesses are not tested.

Whether our death bowling is tested in this series or not, it will get tested against stronger sides. Hence my point.

And I am saying I would demand India to face these situations and win and not prefer- I would demand India to win every game it steps out for- regardless of how we win...

Offcourse if we win a hard game- makes it more enjoyable- but a defeat would not be palatable just because it tested us.

Thats my point- and we can win only what we are put against and not to mention we did choke England in preceding 3 games, not that England choked just by luck

 

[nish_mate]

Sub 280 score coming up now unless offcourse Burnley Lara turns it up

 

[Varun]

At least this will be a nice, competitive chase.

 

[Varun]

If England don't mess up with the bowling that is.

 

[Saurav]

Jaddu has an ER of under 6 in last 5 overs since 2011

Shami gets one.beautiful yorker

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

And I am saying I would demand India to face these situations and win and not prefer- I would demand India to win every game it steps out for- regardless of how we win...

Offcourse if we win a hard game- makes it more enjoyable- but a defeat would not be palatable just because it tested us.

Thats my point- and we can win only what we are put against and not to mention we did choke England in preceding 3 games, not that England choked just by luck

Yes we can only win against what we are made to face.

Even I too would want to win. But any team when made to face their weaknesses has a possibility of losing. Acknowledging the possibility doesn't mean one doesn't expect or demand their team to win. Its just that such a situation (where a loss is possible) is preferable to easy wins where nothing is tested.

 

[Haz95]

Half a bowler + half a batsmen = not up to international standard.

he's good enough to open the bowling. In the tests he was just unlucky...Can move the new ball a lot. Plus he has 8 FC 100s...

 

[Kiri]

C'mon Tredwell, can you take England to 280-300

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

The moment our bowlers are put under pressure, they leak runs like hell.

This may be a flat track and England may not have enough runs on the board but we can see that we are far far far from sorting out our issues.

Ashwin and Jaddu can't save us in death in Australia. Pacers have to come to party.

 

[Robert]

Maybe Tredders can lamp a few at the death.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Shami you beauty.

 

[Saurav]

The moment our bowlers are put under pressure, they leak runs like hell.

This may be a flat track and England may not have enough runs on the board but we can see that we are far far far from sorting out our issues.

Ashwin and Jaddu can't save us in death in Australia. Pacers have to come to party.

yes.Going with 2 spinners in Aus would be disaster.

Binny should have been tried atleast once.4 seam bowling options is better than 3.plus we have Raina who can bowl spin if needed anyway.

Yadav got spanked by BD batsmen in favourable conditions.Dunno why he was tried ahead of Pandey.We need to try untested guys,not proven failures

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

yes.Going with 2 spinners in Aus would be disaster.

Binny should have been tried atleast once.4 seam bowling options is better than 3.plus we have Raina who can bowl spin if needed anyway.

Yadav got spanked by BD batsmen in favourable conditions.Dunno why he was tried ahead of Pandey.We need to try untested guys,not proven failures

No Binny, you Binny fan.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yeah could be tried out once.

Even in NZ, our spin bowlers were economical (compared to pacers).

If our 3 pacers take wickets, we would be fine.

Or else, toasted.

 

[nish_mate]

Yeah could be tried out once.

Even in NZ, our spin bowlers were economical (compared to pacers).

If our 3 pacers take wickets, we would be fine.

Or else, toasted.

Mate what is with you and pessimism seriously??? Send me your address and i will send you some happy pills free of charge!! Keep popping them every time you watch cricket!

We won the series, last match half over yet, on the flattest wicket in England, where SL once chased 300+ within 40 overs

 

[Saurav]

No Binny, you Binny fan.

no but we need a guy who can bat and bowl seam instead of spin as 5th bowler

and I don't believe in writing people off without proper chances.What wrong did Binny do in BD to not deserve a chance here?he even looked okay with bat in Test series.surely would bat faster than Rayudu

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Mate what is with you and pessimism seriously??? Send me your address and i will send you some happy pills free of charge!! Keep popping them every time you watch cricket!

We won the series, last match half over yet, on the flattest wicket in England, where SL once chased 300+ within 40 overs

What's up with you bud. I am actually supporting the need for 2 spinners.

Just saying 3 pacers need to take wickets and our energy should be on working on that. Not on getting a 4th pacer (IMHO).

This isn't pessimism. This is being realistic.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

no but we need a guy who can bat and bowl seam instead of spin as 5th bowler

and I don't believe in writing people off without proper chances.What wrong did Binny do in BD to not deserve a chance here?he even looked okay with bat in Test series.surely would bat faster than Rayudu

Its not about what wrong Binny did.

Its about what is our need.

Ok let's try him out and see.

But I would want 2 spinners for us. If 3 pacers ain't gonna pick wickets for us, the 4th one isn't going to arrest the slide.

 

[Saurav]

Yeah could be tried out once.

Even in NZ, our spin bowlers were economical (compared to pacers).

If our 3 pacers take wickets, we would be fine.

Or else, toasted.

Spinners would be economical at best in Aus.cant expect them to take wickets unless we play leggie like Karan.

Bhuvi and Shami are good options as pacers.But we need a death bowler badly

 

[Itachi]

Yeah could be tried out once.

Even in NZ, our spin bowlers were economical (compared to pacers).

If our 3 pacers take wickets, we would be fine.

Or else, toasted.

ye le jaadu ki jhappi! abtoh khush ho ja!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Spinners would be economical at best in Aus.cant expect them to take wickets unless we play leggie like Karan.

Bhuvi and Shami are good options as pacers.But we need a death bowler badly

Exactly. I want 20 economical overs along with 3 pacers who would give us early inroads and take wickets at the death.

We struggle to put 3 quality performing pacers in a playing XI. 4 is a bit of a stretch.

 

[Robert]

Good hand from our Georgie Hobbit at the death. Magnificent from Roooooooooooooot. May not be enough, though......

 

[nish_mate]

What's up with you bud. I am actually supporting the need for 2 spinners.

Just saying 3 pacers need to take wickets and our energy should be on working on that. Not on getting a 4th pacer (IMHO).

This isn't pessimism. This is being realistic.

Mate there will be plenty of time to discuss WC 15 in the coming matches and the form can completely change by then, our batting can go into Pakistan Mode or the bowling can suddenly pick up- just please please please please please stop saying we could be toast...

We are World Champs FCS- start acting like a supporter of one- have some swagger, some arrogance, some in your face confidence- not just hope/pray we win...

Enjoy the winning for the moment and dont worry about 2015 just yet or you might not savour today!

 

[Saurav]

Its not about what wrong Binny did.

Its about what is our need.

Ok let's try him out and see.

But I would want 2 spinners for us. If 3 pacers ain't gonna pick wickets for us, the 4th one isn't going to arrest the slide.

Here 2 spinners are okay as pitches are helpful.But in Australia it would be opposite.

Just one is enough as spinners only play supporting role there by being economical.

3 specialist pacers are necessary ofcourse.But I would rather take a seam bowler than spinner as 5th bowler in Aus conditions

 

[Saurav]

Exactly. I want 20 economical overs along with 3 pacers who would give us early inroads and take wickets at the death.

We struggle to put 3 quality performing pacers in a playing XI. 4 is a bit of a stretch.

Ashwin isnt gonna be economical on non-helpful tracks against stronger batting lineups.Jaddu might be.

Obviously firstly 3 should be good ones.I'm just saying the 5th bowler should be one who has more chances to be economical and take 1-2 wickets in middle overs.In pitches that assist bit of movement but no spin,obviously seamer should be preferred

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Here 2 spinners are okay as pitches are helpful.But in Australia it would be opposite.

Just one is enough as spinners only play supporting role there by being economical.

3 specialist pacers are necessary ofcourse.But I would rather take a seam bowler than spinner as 5th bowler in Aus conditions

Let us test it out and see.

I feel 3 pacers + 2 spinners > 4 pacers + 1 spinner

Of course the latter is theoretically better but not for us.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ashwin isnt gonna be economical on non-helpful tracks against stronger batting lineups.Jaddu might be.

Obviously firstly 3 should be good ones.I'm just saying the 5th bowler should be one who has more chances to be economical and take 1-2 wickets in middle overs.In pitches that assist bit of movement but no spin,obviously seamer should be preferred

Its based on form at that time.

Need both. Our spinners will take those odd wickets and give a higher guarantee of being more economical than pacers.

 

[Saurav]

Let us test it out and see.

I feel 3 pacers + 2 spinners > 4 pacers + 1 spinner

Of course the latter is theoretically better but not for us.

We saw the first combo in SA and NZ.It failed badly as both SA and NZ scored 300 regularly.

So why not try the other one?

We can't include this series as pitches have offered turn.If they do,I don't even mind 3 spinners lol

 

[Saurav]

Its based on form at that time.

Need both. Our spinners will take those odd wickets and give a higher guarantee of being more economical than pacers.

in non spinning conditions which help pacers more?

This series is different.Aus conditions are likely to be totally different

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

We saw the first combo in SA and NZ.It failed badly as both SA and NZ scored 300 regularly.

So why not try the other one?

We can't include this series as pitches have offered turn.If they do,I don't even mind 3 spinners lol

It failed cos our 3 pacers didn't pick up regular wickets and leaked too many runs.

Our spinners were economical there too. Compared to pacers.

Anyways, let's try everything out and see.

 

[Saurav]

It failed cos our 3 pacers didn't pick up wickets.

Our 2 spinners > 3 pacers even there.

No,Ashwin took 2 wickets in both series combined averaging 200 odd.Even his ER was over 5

Jaddu was slightly better with 5 wickets at better ER

but pacers took wickets mostly.the problem was spinners couldnt strike in middle overs allowing opposition to set a platform for death overs

here are overall numbers.Shami was highest wicket taker

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...al1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

No,Ashwin took 2 wickets in both series combined averaging 200 odd.Even his ER was over 5

Jaddu was slightly better with 5 wickets at better ER

but pacers took wickets mostly.the problem was spinners couldnt strike in middle overs allowing opposition to set a platform for death overs

here are overall numbers.Shami was highest wicket taker

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...al1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

Yeah you are right. Economuy wise our spinners were still the best.

But yeah, lack of wickets in the middle overs is a problem that sets the stage for death overs.

See I don't deny the validity of 4 pacers. Just doubt whether we have 4 pacers who can pick wickets and not go for crazy runs.

Anyways, let's test out everything.

We need to have 5 pacers to choose from.
And 3 spinners to choose from.

That would be ideal and we can take a call depending on the match situation and form of our bowlers.

 

[Saurav]

Yeah you are right. Economuy wise our spinners were still the best.

But yeah, lack of wickets in the middle overs is a problem that sets the stage for death overs.

See I don't deny the validity of 4 pacers. Just doubt whether we have 4 pacers who can pick wickets and not go for crazy runs.

Anyways, let's test out everything.

We need to have 5 pacers to choose from.
And 3 spinners to choose from.

That would be ideal and we can take a call depending on the match situation and form of our bowlers.

We have tried 2 spinners strategy.It hasnt worked.No harm in trying an alternative.

I'd say we need atleast 6 specialist bowlers to choose from.

 

[nish_mate]

back to game on hand....

Will we win or will we so be it?

 

[nish_mate]

Dang Rahane goes!!

 

[Adil_94]

Rahane gone

 

[Adil_94]

King of Chases is here

 

[nish_mate]

Kohli gone!

 

[Saurav]

would be interesting to see Rayudu now

 

[Bullet Drive]

Anyone else thinks Rayudu looks like Ashraful?

 

[Stark]

Chalo ji..

Kohli's horrendous tour finally is done with.(barring the meaningless T20 which is left)
He should now humbly get back to ironing out his stupid flaws.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Annoyed that Kohlis gone.

 

[Adil_94]

Kohli has had a horrendous tour. Jimmy gets his bunny again

 

[Bullet Drive]

28-2

 

[jusarrived]

Just hope hes back in form by the time WC starts , makes a huge difference to our side .

 

[Bullet Drive]

Just hope hes back in form by the time WC starts , makes a huge difference to our side .

Problem for Kohli is in the World Cup he doesn't have Sri Lanka in his group so we won't score much runs in group stages. Instead he will face:

Irfan, Junaid, Wahab, Holder, Roach, Morkel & Steyn

All FAST bowlers and Kohli won't last.

 

[Bullet Drive]

What a shot Dhawan!!!!!

 

[jusarrived]

problem for kohli is in the world cup he doesn't have sri lanka in his group so we won't score much runs in group stages. Instead he will face:

Irfan, junaid, wahab, holder, roach, morkel & steyn

all fast bowlers and kohli won't last.

ok

 

[nish_mate]

Problem for Kohli is in the World Cup he doesn't have Sri Lanka in his group so we won't score much runs in group stages. Instead he will face:

Irfan, Junaid, Wahab, Holder, Roach, Morkel & Steyn

All FAST bowlers and Kohli won't last.

Faced most of them in CT and didnt have any issues- his problem is movement and not pace... and Aussie wickets have bounce and pace but no movement- he will be fine come WC

Sidenote- he dont need to worry about Irfan/Junaid/Wahab/any other Pakistani bowler in WC- for Pakistan are India's certified trademarked bunnies in WC

 

[desi_launda]

RR 6.5 already

 

[Bullet Drive]

41-2

 

[desi_launda]

Finn trundling

 

[f.b.m]

Anyone else thinks Rayudu looks like Ashraful?

Ashraful is a better batsman though.

 

[biggestdravidfan]

Rayadu is a hack . He is worse than Still bunny and Tailunted sharma which says a lot.

 

[Sandeep]

Finally one interesting match! Thank God.. Will catch up after my meetings!

 

[Bullet Drive]

 

[desi_launda]

 

[Sandeep]

Problem for Kohli is in the World Cup he doesn't have Sri Lanka in his group so we won't score much runs in group stages. Instead he will face:

Irfan, Junaid, Wahab, Holder, Roach, Morkel & Steyn

All FAST bowlers and Kohli won't last.

Agreed.. Kohli's gonna get owned..

 

[desi_launda]

Hackudu caused this wicket by putting pressure on Dhawan

 

[Bullet Drive]

Faced most of them in CT and didnt have any issues- his problem is movement and not pace... and Aussie wickets have bounce and pace but no movement- he will be fine come WC

Sidenote- he dont need to worry about Irfan/Junaid/Wahab/any other Pakistani bowler in WC- for Pakistan are India's certified trademarked bunnies in WC

Those pitches in CT were the flattest pitches in the world.

And PAK need not worry of Kohli as he is our certified trademark bunny wherever he goes.

 

[Saurav]

Rayadu is a hack . He is worse than Still bunny and Tailunted sharma which says a lot.

Agree.going at SR OF 25

 

[Saurav]

Those pitches in CT were the flattest pitches in the world.

And PAK need not worry of Kohli as he is our certified trademark bunny wherever he goes.

What were Pak's score in those flat pitches?

Kohli won't be needed.Rohit and Ishant are enough to beat Pak in WC as always

 

[Saurav]

Hackudu caused this wicket by putting pressure on Dhawan

hes a very poor no.4.

Samson should be tried ASAP

 

[Sandeep]

Those pitches in CT were the flattest pitches in the world.

And PAK need not worry of Kohli as he is our certified trademark bunny wherever he goes.

I like these statements! Bring it on..

 

[Adil_94]

Rayudu and Raina dropped in the same over.

 

[Sandeep]

Let Rayudu end his innings, we can make judgements then..

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

How did this turnaround happen?

Rayudu dropped.
Raina dropped.

England has been owning us till now.

Shocked to be honest.

 

[Sandeep]

I actually think Kohli failing now is a good sign for us. We will understand which other players can do well.. Kohli never gave chance to anyone all these days!

 

[Adil_94]

How did this turnaround happen?

Rayudu dropped.
Raina dropped.

England has been owning us till now.

Shocked to be honest.

Runs on the board. When you are chasing 300 instead of 200 you are forced to take chances which can result in giving chances to the opposition.

 

[desi_launda]

No chance now RR over 7 and on the rise

 

[desi_launda]

Hackudu 7*(20)

 

[Bullet Drive]

What were Pak's score in those flat pitches?

Kohli won't be needed.Rohit and Ishant are enough to beat Pak in WC as always

We were the worst team of the tournament. I've admitted and I HATED that team.

Farhat, Malik, Shafiq, Kamran.

Now we have:

Fawad, Umar Akmal, Shehzad

all the guys who I've wanted in the team for four years.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Hackudu?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Runs on the board. When you are chasing 300 instead of 200 you are forced to take chances which can result in giving chances to the opposition.

If India is now going to make excuses for failed chases on easy tracks, then I have no words to say.

That's supposed to be our strength.