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madaboutcricket said:
Now pitch is flat when England bowlers struggled to get the lower order batsman out?

So English bowlers always need pitch that helps the bowler to get the batsman out?
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The pitch was flat all day, im not an English cricket fan(far from it) and i never said the pitch wasn't flat so im not really sure what you're driving at?

6/300 on this pitch is a par score, i think 425-450 is the min score you need batting first here.
 
Ruri said:
Good score and on par yes. But on par doesn't mean domination so much as on top. I agree that Windies won the day. But you're making it seem like England's were crushed.

I'm a bit bitter because Sammy deserves to be out... 7 overs ago. I'd buy a lottery ticket with his luck in edges, wafts and marginal lbw call he's faced in the past 8 overs.
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No I am not saying England was crushed today. but Windies have done very well and they have dominated most of the day. English bowlers got frustrated and appealed for everything which is strange.
 
trogger said:
The pitch was flat all day, im not an English cricket fan(far from it) and i never said the pitch wasn't flat so im not really sure what you're driving at?

6/300 on this pitch is a par score, i think 425-450 is the min score you need batting first here.
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I too saw most of the days plays, it was not that easy to score runs especially the first few hours of the day. Pitches in England usually help batsmen after lunch time onwards. Thats what happened today as well. saying the pitch was flat whole day is not right. I disagree strongly.
 
With regards the par score what matters is how the pitch should play on days 2 and 3, it looks a belter and should be at it's best for days 2 and 3 which as i was saying makes 6/300 par not a dominating score.
 
trogger said:
With regards the par score what matters is how the pitch should play on days 2 and 3, it looks a belter and should be at it's best for days 2 and 3 which as i was saying makes 6/300 par not a dominating score.
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You said "windies bowling is 'thin'" . You have clearly not seen Rampaul or shillingford bowling. Rampaul only played one test vs Aus in the whole tour. He actually swings the ball, English media i.e. Alec Stewart thinks he is similar to Roach which is not true.
 
Lethalweapon said:
You said "windies bowling is 'thin'" . You have clearly not seen Rampaul or shillingford bowling. Rampaul only played one test vs Aus in the whole tour. He actually swings the ball, English media i.e. Alec Stewart thinks he is similar to Roach which is not true.
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Rampaul is good. I agree the windies bowling is strong. But if Anderson and Broad only got a little bit of swing, Rampaul wont match them. Shillingford is good too.. on a turning track. This pitch is a batting track unless its overcast and it swings around corners then.
 
Lethalweapon said:
You said "windies bowling is 'thin'" . You have clearly not seen Rampaul or shillingford bowling. Rampaul only played one test vs Aus in the whole tour. He actually swings the ball, English media i.e. Alec Stewart thinks he is similar to Roach which is not true.
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On a good batting deck it is thin, it's basically a 2 man frontline seam attack(one just back from injury) with sammy providing some medium pace and shillingford some spin.

This attack has combined career test figures of 199 wickets@47, it's not an awful attack but not a strong or deep attack either.
 
England is struggling to beat bottom ranked WI team which is not even playing its full strength team. if Gayle/Narine/Sarwan had been in the playing eleven, WI might have fancied winning a series. Usually England is a good team at home, poor in Asia and decent else where. but now they have started to struggle at home, which is not a good sign.
 
Good day for WI. Great fightback. England so far in this summer hasn't looked ruthless like they were in 2010 and 2011 summer. They have been good but not dominating.
 
"James Anderson should know I'm batting for my team," said Samuels. "I left a lot of balls I couldn't hit to the boundary.

"But when I get that double century tomorrow I'd like James Anderson to come and say something to me.

"To be honest, I haven't found too many bowlers who can bowl and talk but I can bat and talk all day.

"He is one who gets frustrated very easily so he needs to be stronger."
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/18213552
 
lol@"when I get that double century"
Andersen vs Samuels should be interesting tomorrow.
 
Then Samuels spotted Anderson lurking outside the squash court where press conferences are staged at Trent Bridge. "He's out there now looking at me," said the 31-year-old Jamaican with a grin. "He's a very good guy, you know? The last game at Lord's he said something and was a bit frustrated – I told him: 'You're my favourite bowler.' Today I told him the same thing. No matter what he says, he is still my favourite bowler."

The pair then exchanged a friendly-looking handshake as Samuels made way for Anderson to give his side of the story. "It does get frustrating at times when you're beating the bat," he said. "Throughout the day I've had a couple of dropped catches in the morning, things just built up and built up, with having a close lbw that could have gone either way and realising it was such an important part of the day."

Anderson said of his conversation with the Pakistani umpire. "He seemed quite friendly at the time. I wasn't saying anything that bad, I don't think. You're trying to win a game of cricket for your country so you need to be aggressive at times and, if you get frustrated and angry, it can build up on occasion. It was one of those."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/25/marlon-samuels-jimmy-anderson-england?newsfeed=true
 
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I'm really impressed with this partnership, never expected this, especially not from Sammy. Good knocks by both batsmen and I hope they go on and score _big_ tomorrow and the bowlers can sink the Flower XI.

If Sammy goes on to score 100 and take a 5fer in a matchwinning cause some people will still be calling for his head. :facepalm:
 
Well done Windies, great fightback! Should be a thrilling match now.

All gonna depend on our first innings batting.
 
Why im still expecting WI to lose this match easly? Unless they can score 550 so chances of draw get much bigger.
 
I wish Narine was playing in the Tests he would have run through the english batting lineup. They have hard time playing conventional spin. The current WI reminds me a bit of our team. Really have some good bowlers the few matches they batsman are able to put the runs on the board they are capable of winning.
And Sammy is my favorite cricketer these days. He supposedly can't bat or bowl according to everyone but he plays his heart out and alway chip in with wicket and runs when required.
 
this is a new samuels. a rather mature one. and sammy played some classy shots. i dont know why the commies were calling it as not copybook style. since when is unconventional bad?

great maturity from windies. they have a much better bowling attack too. with shilly, roach and ramps. sammy himself could be a good runblocker.
 
The Samuels we witnessed was totally a different Samuels.
Very unlike typical Samuels. He was very sensible. Looks good when on song.
 
madaboutcricket said:
England is struggling to beat bottom ranked WI team which is not even playing its full strength team. if Gayle/Narine/Sarwan had been in the playing eleven, WI might have fancied winning a series. Usually England is a good team at home, poor in Asia and decent else where. but now they have started to struggle at home, which is not a good sign.
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Disposable troll is disposable. Leave the serious discussions to the adults.

England are one-nil up after one test, and the vitally important second match is evenly poised after its first day. This series has so far epitomised what test cricket is all about.

Excited for today's proceedings.
 
Sammy has looked very talented with the bat against Australia and England. Just needed the mental application and with this has come the grandest result :)
 
Sammy looks like a proper batsman. Can be a solid number 6 by WIndies standards at least. England look to be flagging here, Jimmy has bowled well with no reward and seems to be getting frustrated. I hope the Windies can get to 430-450 and we will have a match on.
 
what's with English bowlers speeds? Bresnan I think bowled at 75 mph at one point.right arm Vinay Kumar won't get them anywhere.they haven't crossed 85 mph iirc
 
Well played Darren Sammy!

Attacking hundred that combined with Samuels' effort has shifted the momentum from one extreme to (almost) the other.
 
Medium pace city indeed. Broad bowled one at 92mph yesterday before lunch, but apart from that it's been Indian phasst bowler territory. Very unusual.

Phew. If KP hadn't caught that then he would have been sent to the toilets to think about his life.

Well played Darren, highly entertaining to boot :) Hero.
 
well looks like Bresnan is redeeming himself now.

West Indies will be all out under 400 now. England on top now.
 
Samuels gone now too. After the first half an hour today I thought 400 was on but now WI would be hopeful for 360-370.
 
Bresnan is getting very lucky IMO. He has bowled innocuously in this series except for one or two deliveries.

Samuels played in an exemplary fashion again. Personally I liked his 80 at Lord's even more, it was beautiful to watch. He has made our bowlers look distinctly average for sure.

If Windies get England out for 250 then they can win.
 
good shot from shilly btw broad almost gets another one!

great shot by roach
 
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Good comeback from England. The Pitch is flat and England will come out fighting when they bat.
 
England are bowling much better now. This is a flat pitch but if you put your back into it, then you can unsettle the batsmen and force the mistake. 370 is overall a decent score first up, but England have not been batted out of the game.

So, a lot of what happens next will depend on the mentality of the respective teams. I think WI have a good chance of bowling England out for a sub-par score here. Far too many times I've seen our batsmen think they can score a 100 or a 60 just by turning up. England being 250 all out and having a need for a big comeback would not surprise me at all.

Roach needs to go after the openers with some chin music, and Rampaul can frankly trouble any of our batsmen with his nagging off-stump line. Good bowlers both.
 
Bresnan has 4 lol and here I thought he was the worst of the bowlers this innings :))
 
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And this track is certainly not that 'flat'. Certainly enough help for the bowlers if you bend your back
 
A last wicket partnership of 50 would really rile England up now :))
 
Rampaul is looking quite threatening here but the Windies desperately need new ball wickets, if England see through the no ball they will punish them.
 
Damn Roach, surely it can't be that hard to keep your foot behind the line. Especially since Holding and Botham themselves were fast bowlers and even they can't understand it
 
In 3 innings Cook scored around 20 runs. Would have thought out of everyone he would capitalize but not to be.
 
just checked the scores.. sammy scores a century at trent bridge? unbelievable.. what happened to the english attack?

Windies are going well and am happy for them.Passing 300 every match unlike us last summer :(
 
Westindies is exposing the real quality of the England team. This is really making me upset that our rockstars lost all 4 games against this average/decent team. :(
 
madaboutcricket said:
Westindies is exposing the real quality of the England team. This is really making me upset that our rockstars lost all 4 games against this average/decent team. :(
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Do you remember the number of instances we were on top counting all 4 tests?

iirc it was just once during the second test when we bowled them out cheap and RD and yuvi were at crease with 50 odd lead.

They were a strong team, not average or decent.
 
Cook just scored 80 in a 4th innings to win a test match.......
 
cook's Irish pot O'luck has finally run out.

btw the only difference between England and India in that series was England were good and India were pathetic.

consequently England looked like Greek Gods or something.
 
Apart from the Rampaul delivery, Windies have been dreadful so far in this innings.

No balls, half volleys, more no balls and garbage fielding.

Windies need to stem the flow before England get the 200 or they will have blown their big chance.
 
Harmisonesque over from Roach. 13 off it including 4 byes at the end. What a joke. Just goes to show that cricket is a mental game.

Get him off. Try and take a wicket with Shillingford.
 
Strauss and Trott partnership approaching a run a ball.

Gawd West Indies must be bad to let that happen.
 
This is a great platform for England at a very good rate of scoring.

They can make as many runs as they want here. The only way to get out against this quality of bowling is mistakes from the batsmen.
 
England starting to dominate now. West Indies would have hoped for more than just the wicket of the out of form looking cook. To make matters worse, England are racing at a brisk rate...kp, bell and prior haven't even faced a ball.
 
Okay, I will repeat this.

Cook just scored a 4th innings 80 to win a test match.
 
Trott gone. Rampaul is quality, he strikes again. Not as naturally gifted or as quick as Roach, but more mentally strong.

Big hour now. Windies could do with snaring Strauss and Pietersen, England could do with a partnership.
 
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