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Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli in ODIs

tempus123 said:
So Rohit is better than Amla as an opener because Rohit performs when it matters the most ? ha ha ha.. you are really good Enforcer.
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What is the matter of scoring in numerous bilateral series if you can't perform when it mattered the most. who remember those bi-lateral series ? like 'aane do' series, kitply cup,LOL
 
Enforcer said:
What is the matter of scoring in numerous bilateral series if you can't perform when it mattered the most. who remember those bi-lateral series ? like 'aane do' series, kitply cup,LOL
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Yes, Rohit has performed in WC two matches so far, he really set the stage alight. Where did that MCG hundred you mentioned come at ? In which WC or CT was it played in ?
 
Enforcer said:
Why he have to open, when openers are plenty. He also has a very good average at number 3, but then who will score at death?
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Once he can set the score at top of the order... what's the need to score at death ? Why delay the match.. decide it early.
 
Enforcer said:
Here the discussion is you don't require someone with such an high average as an opener as Amla. AGood strike rate will do.
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It's even better to have some one with high average and high SR. Amla does both. He has 50+ avg and 90+ SR in the last 5 years.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Many of you are posting random things here. He surely has weakness of not able to change gears but he is still the best opener playing right now.
 
tempus123 said:
Yes, Rohit has performed in WC two matches so far, he really set the stage alight. Where did that MCG hundred you mentioned come at ? In which WC or CT was it played in ?
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You are laughing over Rohit as an opener. Check his average as an opener and then talk?
 
Buffet said:
It's even better to have some one with high average and high SR. Amla does both. He has 50+ avg and 90+ SR in the last 5 years.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

Many of you are posting random things here. He surely has weakness of not able to change gears but he is still the best opener playing right now.
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TRUE but it is not necessary since you already have some terrific player like Du-plessi,and De-villers etc. Having Hashim Amla in your Team is your Luxury but not necessary. Any opener with s/r of 90 and avg of 38-40, but who can be good in tense matches, is definitely better for your team than having Amla.
 
tempus123 said:
Average in the same bilaterals you were dismissive of.
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You are mixing two things. You are laughing over Rohit as if he is a tailender. Have I laughed at amla. Am i comparing Rohit with Amla? Rohit is doing a good job for India, as an opener, and he is not laughing stock any more thats it. Here Questioning Do we Required a player as good as Amla as an opener? i feel it is not, since it can be manageable with players like finch, Rohit. Thats it.
 
Amla no doubt incredible batsman and an ATG. But given the way times are changing now-a-days, if you have openers with s/r 90 and avg around 40, you still can be a top team. But it is mandatory to have good middle order and lower batsman/finishers now a days. That is why i feel Amla's superior 'Average' is a bonus for South Africa, not absolute necessary. But having finishers like de-villers/Dhoni is absolute necessary. Having a chaser and a crunch player like Virat Kohli is absolute necessary. If south Africa have to chose between Amla and De-villers, they would probably chose devillers. If (hypothetically)South-Africa will give a chance to India to trade kohli for Amla, they would probably never do. For me De-villers>Kohli>Dhoni>Amla and rest others. :)
 
Enforcer said:
Amla no doubt incredible batsman and an ATG. But given the way times are changing now-a-days, if you have openers with s/r 90 and avg around 40, you still can be a top team. But it is mandatory to have good middle order and lower batsman/finishers now a days. That is why i feel Amla's superior 'Average' is a bonus for South Africa, not absolute necessary. But having finishers like de-villers/Dhoni is absolute necessary. Having a chaser and a crunch player like Virat Kohli is absolute necessary. If south Africa have to chose between Amla and De-villers, they would probably chose devillers. If (hypothetically)South-Africa will give a chance to India to trade kohli for Amla, they would probably never do. For me De-villers>Kohli>Dhoni>Amla and rest others. :)
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Have you started watching Cricket just yesterday?
 
Enforcer said:
TRUE but it is not necessary since you already have some terrific player like Du-plessi,and De-villers etc. Having Hashim Amla in your Team is your Luxury but not necessary. Any opener with s/r of 90 and avg of 38-40, but who can be good in tense matches, is definitely better for your team than having Amla.
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You may have a point but WC is not over yet. Let's wait for all SAcan matches to be over.
 
Buffet said:
You may have a point but WC is not over yet. Let's wait for all SAcan matches to be over.
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ofcourse it is. i would love to take my words back if Amla proved me wrong. He is such a great player and a nice human being. I have a huge Respect for him.
 
Hitman said:
Gundappa Vishwanath made his debut in 1969, and retired in 1983. Srikkanth made his debut in 1981, Siddhu in 1983. Please check your facts.

BTW, Vishy batted at #3 in merely 4 Test matches.

Link - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...rt;template=results;type=batting;view=innings
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What about Chauhan, Engineer and Gaekwad? India always had specialist openers during Vishy days. It was in the 90s that our opening slot was highly unstable - we used to go with different set of openers on different tours at one point of time. Sachin could have easily batted at #3 during these unstable days if he had wanted, but never did.
 
tempus123 said:
Yes, and X@Y figures, Y doesn't matter at all. You are implying Dravid's average would remain same if he had opened and his SR would increase ? If his SR didn't increase, we would have a mind boggling RR in the first 15 overs.
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Opening is the easiest batting slot in ODIs since the mid 90s. An opener who bats like a tailender with a high strike rate is nearly useless.
 
Hard to tell. Amla has the better technique can bat against swing where Kohli struggles. However Kohli is better under pressure and has that Xfactor. I would say they are somewhat even and Devilliers is better than both.
 
tempus123 said:
All the openers worldwide are rubbish, and hence they can't do such an easy job.
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More correctly, too belligerent or reckless. Openers try to get runs too fast, which is why they don't maintain the averages they are capable of. Most of the successful openers can do 45-50@80, but they aim for 35@90 instead. Batsmen who don't play on the SC cannot generally maintain 45+@90 over long periods unless they are very good like Amla.
 
IndianWillow said:
Opening is the easiest batting slot in ODIs since the mid 90s. An opener who bats like a tailender with a high strike rate is nearly useless.
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I agree with you, an opener with SR of 50 but average of 40 is much better. As I said earlier, selectors missed the trick by not having Laxman Dravid opening pair in ODIs.
 
IndianWillow said:
Opening is the easiest batting slot in ODIs since the mid 90s. An opener who bats like a tailender with a high strike rate is nearly useless.
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So it's clear that you blindly took Siddhu and Srikkanth's name to cover up Vishy's case, isn't it? BTW, Vishy batted at #3 in merely 4 Tests of his career.
 
So Kohli only scored in one match where he was dropped twice.

Now has 5 out of 5 failures in knockouts.

Amla made his team win, was one of the highest scorers, and has 3 out of 3 failures in knockouts...

You be the jury :P
 
Tiranga club aint having a good day right now after having 2 great days bashing amla:P....coz it seems if india doesnt make finals then kohli will end up with more KO failures than amla:P....bigger bottler?:P
 
Both have seen a dip in form recently.

Against non minnow, since their last century

Amla (29 Jan onwards)
8 matches
202 runs
Avg - 25.25
SR - 74

Kohli (16 Feb onwards)
7 matches
132 runs
Avg - 18.85
72.13 SR

:amla :kohli
 
Under lights.

Tense chase.

Series there for the taking..

Amla bhai fails to deliver in yet another demanding situation. :amla :kohli
 
Amla is not the greatest chaser but he is clearly out of form. Virat is a better player under pressure but Amla fares better in testing conditions.
 
Statsman said:
Hashim Amla

ODIs: 60
100s: 10 (6 ODIs/100)
50s: 18 (3.3 ODIs/50)
Average: 58.00
SR: 92.42
HS: 150 (129) Vs England at Southampton, 2012.


Virat Kohli

ODIs: 90
100s: 13 (6.92 ODIs/100)
50s: 21 (4.28 ODIs/50)
Average: 51.81
SR: 86.43
HS: 183 (148) Vs Pakistan at Mirpur, 2012.

Agree, that both play at different positions, but a comparison can still be made.

Statistically, looks like Amla beats Kohli very easily.
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More than 3 years and this is how the stats look now

Hashim Amla

ODIs: 126
100s: 21 (6 ODIs/100)
50s: 28 (4.5 ODIs/50)
Average: 52.70
SR: 89.36
HS: 159 (128) Vs Ireland at Canberra, 2015.


Virat Kohli

ODIs: 166
100s: 23 (7.21 ODIs/100)
50s: 34 (4.88 ODIs/50)
Average: 50.60
SR: 89.50
HS: 183 (148) Vs Pakistan at Mirpur, 2012.
 
Kohli is 2-3 levels above ABD and Amla as an ODI batsman.


Its a joke that people are putting Smith, Williamson above him these days based on a temporary dip in form lol. Class is forever.
 
Amla bhai hasn't been the same after that career-defining knock against Ireland. :(
 
Kohli > de Villiers > Rohit > Williamson > Smith > > > Amla

As far as ODIs are concerned. Amla has the stats but zero impact.
 
Statsman said:
More than 3 years and this is how the stats look now

Hashim Amla

ODIs: 126
100s: 21 (6 ODIs/100)
50s: 28 (4.5 ODIs/50)
Average: 52.70
SR: 89.36
HS: 159 (128) Vs Ireland at Canberra, 2015.


Virat Kohli

ODIs: 166
100s: 23 (7.21 ODIs/100)
50s: 34 (4.88 ODIs/50)
Average: 50.60
SR: 89.50
HS: 183 (148) Vs Pakistan at Mirpur, 2012.
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Kohli is the better chaser while Amla is the better target setter. Hash is easily one of the greatest ODI openers of all time, I would rank him as second best, while Kohli is one of the best #3s we've ever seen.

The South African bats better on tougher pitches, while the Indian bats with more authority in a batting shoot-out.

Amla breaks ODI records with every 1000 runs or century that he scores but Kohli has 25 centuries before he's even 28. Phenomenal stuff by both.

It has always been tight between the two and only ridiculously biased fanboysor haters would utter age-old cliches like "This is an embarrassing comparison" about this thread.

In the end, it all comes down to which type of batsman you prefer. A batting-oriented team would prefer Kohli, while a bowling-oriented one would prefer Amla.
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli is the better chaser while Amla is the better target setter. Hash is easily one of the greatest ODI openers of all time, I would rank him as second best, while Kohli is one of the best #3s we've ever seen.

The South African bats better on tougher pitches, while the Indian bats with more authority in a batting shoot-out.

Amla breaks ODI records with every 1000 runs or century that he scores but Kohli has 25 centuries before he's even 28. Phenomenal stuff by both.

It has always been tight between the two and only ridiculously biased fanboysor haters would utter age-old cliches like "This is an embarrassing comparison" about this thread.

In the end, it all comes down to which type of batsman you prefer. A batting-oriented team would prefer Kohli, while a bowling-oriented one would prefer Amla.
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So who's the best opener of all time?

Curiously.

And no Amla doesn't always bat on difficult pitches.

Pitches are flat everywhere in most of the world now barring a few odd ODI's.

Unless Amla is playing in Uganda or Kenya, I don't see how the pitches change for Amla into minefields.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
So who's the best opener of all time?

Curiously.

And no Amla doesn't always bat on difficult pitches.

Pitches are flat everywhere in most of the world now barring a few odd ODI's.

Unless Amla is playing in Uganda or Kenya, I don't see how the pitches change for Amla into minefields.
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Sachin is. Go argue with the person who claimed that Amla always bats on tough pitches.
 
Bilal7 said:
Sachin is. Go argue with the person who claimed that Amla always bats on tough pitches.
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Amla Bhai bats on the same pitches Kohli gets to bat on.

He just lacks the authority to impose himself liKe Kohli does.

Pity.

If he had that demeanor, I would also label him as a great opener of all times.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Amla Bhai bats on the same pitches Kohli gets to bat on.

He just lacks the authority to impose himself liKe Kohli does.

Pity.

If he had that demeanor, I would also label him as a great opener of all times.
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It might come as a surprise but Amla plays his home games in South Africa, not India. Go check the average innings runs that India as a whole managed in South Africa, the last time they were there.

If swearing at opposition players, fans and swearing in general constitutes the demeanor you are talking about, I don't really care about what label you give who.
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli > de Villiers > Rohit > Williamson > Smith > > > Amla

As far as ODIs are concerned. Amla has the stats but zero impact.
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De villiers > Kohli > Williamson > Smith > Rohit when it comes to ODIs. All will retire as greats of this format though.
 
Two batsmen in different leagues in the ODI format, but then apart from AB no one is close to Kohli.
 
At the moment, against top7 playing nations, Hashim Amla averages 44 with 14 100s in his career.

In comparison, AB averages 53 while Kohli averages 55.

Good stats but nothing great to talk about. A very good limited over player and that's all about it.
 
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Amla has matched or surpassed Kohli in a number of ODI run scoring feats. Fastest to 2k, 3k, 4k, 5k etc runs Fastest to a certain number of centuries too and fifties. However, stats only tell part of the story and I'd pick KOhli in any XI in recent times because he is more resolute, better at getting the big score and has a wider range of shots.

I still rate AB above them all, and Ponting, Tendulkar and Viv above AB.

Overall, across formats, so including tests, I think Amla is not only better but more elegant to watch. Obviously I'm not talking about the 2017-18 version of Amla.
 
Apart from 1 poster, most sensible posters know this was never a serious comparison. Kohli is the better LO player and I am convinced he will surpass Amla in tests.
 
Hasan123 said:
Apart from 1 poster, most sensible posters know this was never a serious comparison. Kohli is the better LO player and I am convinced he will surpass Amla in tests.
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The only time this competition had any legs was back in 2013 when Amla was going through an amazing purple patch. Barring that, Kohli outclasses him in every way as an ODI batsman.
 
Rinnegan Sasuke said:
The only time this competition had any legs was back in 2013 when Amla was going through an amazing purple patch. Barring that, Kohli outclasses him in every way as an ODI batsman.
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For me it was never even close. Kohli is an achor and finisher rolled into one. Amla is only an achor that's it. Can't dominate bowlers like the great LO players.
 
It’s about when and the manner in which kohli scores his runs. It’s not about the average.
 
Hate to put down Amla generally speaking because he is one of the most, if not most, decent people to have played the modern era of cricket.

But this is just not a serious comparison.
 
If i can pick one who is consistent with good strike rates without looking like a threat to the opposition like Amla, then it would be Babar Azam. Both have good averages, decent strike rates. Ofcourse Amla has done against better oppositions. But teams don't really plan to get these guys out like they do against ABDV, Gayle, Kohli, Warner. They are steady. That's about it.
 
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This is one of the most selfish knocks I have ever seen. Amla can never be in the leagues of Kohli.
 
Very selfish knock.

He got the debutant under pressure who eventually took one for the team and sacrificed his well deserved debut century because Grandpa Amla wouldn’t get a move on.

What an embarrassment!
 
Poor show from Amla here. No intent shown. yes, slow pitch, but you have to show some intent to score when 200/1. Match result can be anything, but it was a poor effort after 35 overs. Newbie had more intent.
 
This question is almost as hilarious as asking who is a better ODI batsman between Jacques Kallis and Viv Richards.
 
Yes it was a little slow but Amla was coming back to for, importantly, for South Africa. The pitch was playing slow as well. People are out with knives as soon as the innings is over. Damed if you score, damned if you don't. It was a beautiful knock from one of the well respected players in the world. Serene to watch.
 
Can't believe such a thread existed lol Man one of the most useless ODI batsman with amazing record haha. Ganguly has lesser strike rate in ODI. But when it mattered he stepped up like the one in Dhaka against Pakistan chasing 314 runs.
 
Shandarchowka said:
Yes it was a little slow but Amla was coming back to for, importantly, for South Africa. The pitch was playing slow as well. People are out with knives as soon as the innings is over. Damed if you score, damned if you don't. It was a beautiful knock from one of the well respected players in the world. Serene to watch.
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Dreadfully ugly knock to watch lol Not sure what beauty you found in that.
 
Statsman said:
Hashim Amla

ODIs: 60
100s: 10 (6 ODIs/100)
50s: 18 (3.3 ODIs/50)
Average: 58.00
SR: 92.42
HS: 150 (129) Vs England at Southampton, 2012.


Virat Kohli

ODIs: 90
100s: 13 (6.92 ODIs/100)
50s: 21 (4.28 ODIs/50)
Average: 51.81
SR: 86.43
HS: 183 (148) Vs Pakistan at Mirpur, 2012.

Agree, that both play at different positions, but a comparison can still be made.

Statistically, looks like Amla beats Kohli very easily.
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Statsman said:
More than 3 years and this is how the stats look now

Hashim Amla

ODIs: 126
100s: 21 (6 ODIs/100)
50s: 28 (4.5 ODIs/50)
Average: 52.70
SR: 89.36
HS: 159 (128) Vs Ireland at Canberra, 2015.


Virat Kohli

ODIs: 166
100s: 23 (7.21 ODIs/100)
50s: 34 (4.88 ODIs/50)
Average: 50.60
SR: 89.50
HS: 183 (148) Vs Pakistan at Mirpur, 2012.
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3 years later...Overall stats

Amla

Mat 170
Runs 7804
Avg 50.3
SR 89.3
100 27

Kohli

Mat 219
Runs 10385
Avg 59.6
SR 92.7
100 39

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And since the last stats were posted..(i.e 11th Nov 2015)

Amla 1796 @ 43.8 in 44 matches at a S/R of 89

Kohli 3556 @ 91.1 in 53 matches at a S/R of 99.6

Well no one can match that run. So instead of ridiculing the comparison let's just appreciate the kind of monster run Kohli is having.
 
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