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Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli in ODIs

TonyStark said:
Lol i was telling people who said amla opens and kohli doesnt:farhat

Btw what is this bull**** stat you are providing? :danish

Let amla play 340 matches and then compare him with tendulkar:dav

people here are talking about match winner or not? and not about not outs:misbah
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I was joking about the not out stat...
 
bill_123 said:
u troll if u don't understand my posts try ignorin em....no one asked u to read em.......u tell da same thing nycly and I ll understand and try givin u a nycly structured post next time...if u cant u better not giv any comments bout da way I post at all

and secondly.....off da top of my head...thr is dat 100 in Dubai against pak....2010...sa posted somewhr around 223....amla played thru da 50 overs....wasn't a easy pitch to bat on....sa won...amla was battin at a strike rate of 90+....had 119*....da next best contribution was 26...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/461568.html

u can even read articles of dat match on cricinfo....most experts felt amla was batting on a different pitch compared to his partners...

his 150 against eng in eng was special as well...he almost batted thru...scored at around 120...and still sa ended up wit only about 270...almost every batsman was batting at 50-60....strike rate wise....only faf at the end scored at better than run a ball....and he had only about 20 runs in dat match

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/534229.html

and thr is also his 129 in a 300+ chase against wi in wi....even tho its windies...total was big...and he batted really well...he was thr almost till da end...the match was pretty safe at the time he got out...and sa naturally won it....

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/439150.html

then thr Is da recent match against pak...it was a clutch knock....sa needed dat win to stay in da tournament....tho dey choked later in da quarters...still it was a pressure game...he scored 80+

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/578618.html
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Why would you ruin a decent post with such a horrible writing style. Are you trying to hide bad spelling or something?
 
I think Amla would perform better against top quality bowlers or in difficult conditions than Kohli.

I think both are fantastic players.
 
IndianWillow said:
Many Pakistanis would like to have a Kohli like bat in their side. These two are relatively difficult to separate and evenly matched in ODIs, though Kohli has so far been better in important matches.
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Most indians will like to have a junaid or irfan like bowler in their side as well..wont they?
 
bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
We will be happy with some of the players from the bench. :sohail:cheema
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Aizaz cheema isnt better than even sharma and sohail i am also not sure about...Though i must admit with his current form B Kumar will walk into pakistan XI in place of wahab/asad ali till gul comes back.....:misbah
 
50/50 for me too hard to pick one of them over the other. Both top notch.
 
shahidrazzaq said:
Look. Tendulkar was a great player, but he has nothing to do with a comparison between Hashim Amla and Virat Kohli.

Oh also, when opening:
:sachin - 340 innings, 23 not outs = 6.76% Not Out
:amla - 71 innings, 5 not outs = 7.04% Not Out

:yk
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What kind of stat it is ?? Some people need to learn where and how to use stat.

If one guy plays 2 matches as opener and stays not out in 1 then he is not out in 50% of matches.

What does that prove ?
 
Amla does struggle a bit against quality pace and spin like he did in the 5th ODI against Pakistan. ABDV is, by some distance, the best ODI batsman irrespective of stats
 
Garuda said:
What kind of stat it is ?? Some people need to learn where and how to use stat.

If one guy plays 2 matches as opener and stays not out in 1 then he is not out in 50% of matches.

What does that prove ?
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I already said it before. I was joking. Obviously Tendulkar is superior to Amla in finishing. He has a very minute competition. I thought somebody would catch on to the joke.

But in all seriousness, Amla has surprised me by playing well in all 3 formats, obviously his T20 game isn't top tier, but he has had his success here and there. And also, he's played 73 matches. That's a lot to make a statement and leave a mark. Pakistani legend Zaheer Abbas played 62 ODIs.
 
I think Kohli is better in Asia, Amla in any other part of world. i must say though, I dislike Kohli, an arrogant guy, Amla is so humble
 
shahidrazzaq said:
I already said it before. I was joking. Obviously Tendulkar is superior to Amla in finishing. He has a very minute competition. I thought somebody would catch on to the joke.

But in all seriousness, Amla has surprised me by playing well in all 3 formats, obviously his T20 game isn't top tier, but he has had his success here and there. And also, he's played 73 matches. That's a lot to make a statement and leave a mark. Pakistani legend Zaheer Abbas played 62 ODIs.
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73 matches in 4 years and 62 matches in 10+ years are different numbers. They play more often these days and 73 matches is not much cricket. We can think of 100 tests (at least 75) and 200 ODIs ( at least 150) being the bench mark numbers to achieve before you can truly start evaluating against other legends, modern or ancient. Mike Hussey was hovering around 80 for his first three or four years years, but his final tally was well below this mark.
 
Currently Amla is better than Kohli, his record just smacks of an outrageous freak
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Amla does struggle a bit against quality pace and spin like he did in the 5th ODI against Pakistan. ABDV is, by some distance, the best ODI batsman irrespective of stats
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he had double hundred against india in india on spinning pitch and 311 against swaan . . .still you say he is weak against spin how?
 
Well we have an Indian SA series coming up soon, then we'll see who's the better batsman
 
:kohli is an ATG also is always fired up chasing 300, I have never seen :amla dominating bowlers while chasing 300+ . Kohli miles ahead
 
Amla is a great ODI batsman.

Kohli is virtually a God in ODIs these days.
 
Kohli is really good at chasing, which is usually more difficult. He played a sensational knock today. He has played some sensational knocks while chasing big scores.

Let's see how his career develops in Test format.
 
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And the Legendary Amla choked yet again in the 2nd innings to give Pakistan a memorable victory in the 1st test.
 
Dont remember any match winning innings from amla. He is a typical run accumulator like kallis. But unlike kallis he Always bails out when needed.
Kohli eats the likes of amla for breakfast everyday.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Dont be stupid now, he just got out. Can't score hundred in every inning alright.
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I am not being stupid and i would still choose the likes of Kohli and Younis Khan to chase down a difficult score as compared to Amla.I think he has acquired this trait of choking from Saffers....
 
mystical man said:
I am not being stupid and i would still choose the likes of Kohli and Younis Khan to chase down a difficult score as compared to Amla.I think he has acquired this trait of choking from Saffers....
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Don't cheer someone and then mock sm1 else for nothing. Amla hit a hundred in last inning and just got out today. No choke anywhere and he's still the best test batsman out there and one of the best in ODIs. Kohli's daddy ton doesn't not make Amla a lesser player.
 
Re: Hashim Amla Vs Virat Kohli (ODI)

Kohli has surpassed Amla in ODIs but Amla is still the guy in Tests.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Don't cheer someone and then mock sm1 else for nothing. Amla hit a hundred in last inning and just got out today. No choke anywhere and he's still the best test batsman out there and one of the best in ODIs. Kohli's daddy ton doesn't not make Amla a lesser player.
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His century is now **** and in a loosing cause.This is the difference between a match-winner as opposed to a grafter whose knock will win games for us.Unfortunately Amla will always fail when Saffers have their backs to the wall.The Daddy-Ton was scored while chasing a score of 363 with 7 overs to spare FYI:akhtar :akhtar
 
Kiwi said:
Kohli has surpassed Amla in ODIs but Amla is still the guy in Tests.
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Amla's bowlers don't give him a chance to chase 320+ scores daily. Otherwise he would also have some of these innings.
 
kungfu90 said:
Amla's bowlers don't give him a chance to chase 320+ scores daily. Otherwise he would also have some of these innings.
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amax said:
valid point
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Having watched them both, Kohli is far better player than Amla when chasing. There is no comparison. Just to put it in perspective,

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Amla while Chasing:

Avg 44.18 & SR 85.45 with 2 centuries.


Kohli While Chasing:

Avg 62.77 & SR 89.23 with 10 centuries.

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Amla is a much better player when batting first. Avg 62.05 & SR 94.22 with 9 centuries.
 
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Buffet said:
Having watched them both, Kohli is far better player than Amla when chasing. There is no comparison. Just to put it in perspective,

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Amla while Chasing:

Avg 44.18 & SR 85.45 with 2 centuries.


Kohli While Chasing:

Avg 62.77 & SR 89.23 with 10 centuries.

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Amla is a much better player when batting first. Avg 62.05 & SR 94.22 with 9 centuries.
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pretty impressive/.
 
Buffet said:
Having watched them both, Kohli is far better player than Amla when chasing. There is no comparison. Just to put it in perspective,

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Amla while Chasing:

Avg 44.18 & SR 85.45 with 2 centuries.


Kohli While Chasing:

Avg 62.77 & SR 89.23 with 10 centuries.

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Amla is a much better player when batting first. Avg 62.05 & SR 94.22 with 9 centuries.
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What is Kohli's average when batting first?
An average of 44 while chasing isn't bad at all.

Amla is a touch more consistent nut Kohli has that x factor. Both are pretty good players.
ODIs- Kohli>Amla
Tests Amla>>Kohli.
 
Anfield said:
What is Kohli's average when batting first?
An average of 44 while chasing isn't bad at all.

Amla is a touch more consistent nut Kohli has that x factor. Both are pretty good players.
ODIs- Kohli>Amla
Tests Amla>>Kohli.
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Tests, Amla>>>>>>Kohli for now, comfortably.

Anyway averaging high while chasing is a real big deal in ODIs, sets the great ones apart.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Amla is a great ODI batsman.

Kohli is virtually a God in ODIs these days.
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I agree. Kohli has surpassed Amla in the shorter format but the latter is still one of the best in the world.

Lets see how he responds during the series against Pakistan.

Anfield said:
What is Kohli's average when batting first?
An average of 44 while chasing isn't bad at all.

Amla is a touch more consistent nut Kohli has that x factor. Both are pretty good players.
ODIs- Kohli>Amla
Tests Amla>>Kohli.
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Agree with this too.
 
Anfield said:
What is Kohli's average when batting first?
An average of 44 while chasing isn't bad at all.
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Kohli is just average when batting first. He averages 37.72 when batting first with SR of mid 80s. Amala is more consistent than Kohli but I was only answering the chasing part.

Averaging 44 with SR of mid 80s is actually very good. Anyway, It's wrong assumption that Amla doesn't have great knocks while chasing due to lack of opportunity. Amla scores big mostly when batting first and his career record reflects it.
 
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Iqbal6 said:
next series will decide who is better..amla or kohli in saf conditions.
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Well then Amla should outplay Kohli in Indian conditions first, if you are going to judge Amla on his home turf.

Let see if Amla can score two hundreds in less than 65 balls in the space of 3 games, or score 130 of 80 deliveries chasing 320 inside 40 overs.

Kohli is an unbelievable match winner in ODIs who grabs the game by the scruff of its neck.

He doesn't need to play the anchor role because he is good enough himself to do the job.

Amla is completely reliant on the likes of de Villiers, Kohli doesn't need anyone.

That is the difference between the two and why Kohli is miles better.
 
This is actually Amlas best , a run accumulator who can play a support role . if not for ABs innings today SA was losing this . you have to be blind t compare him to Virat who has won us matches single handedly chasing 350+ scores .
 
Mamoon_ said:
Well then Amla should outplay Kohli in Indian conditions first, if you are going to judge Amla on his home turf.

Let see if Amla can score two hundreds in less than 65 balls in the space of 3 games, or score 130 of 80 deliveries chasing 320 inside 40 overs.

Kohli is an unbelievable match winner in ODIs who grabs the game by the scruff of its neck.

He doesn't need to play the anchor role because he is good enough himself to do the job.

Amla is completely reliant on the likes of de Villiers, Kohli doesn't need anyone.

That is the difference between the two and why Kohli is miles better.
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top post
 
Today's game seals it for Kohli.

Kohli would've seen his team through to victory whereas, Amla chocked.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Well then Amla should outplay Kohli in Indian conditions first, if you are going to judge Amla on his home turf.

Let see if Amla can score two hundreds in less than 65 balls in the space of 3 games, or score 130 of 80 deliveries chasing 320 inside 40 overs.

Kohli is an unbelievable match winner in ODIs who grabs the game by the scruff of its neck.

He doesn't need to play the anchor role because he is good enough himself to do the job.

Amla is completely reliant on the likes of de Villiers, Kohli doesn't need anyone.

That is the difference between the two and why Kohli is miles better.
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Brilliant post.
 
Similar situation when India were chasing daunting 350 against Aussies, wickets falling on the other side, what does Kohli do? Take the game by the scruff of it's neck and kill it. Difference between Amla and Kohli is killer instinct
 
Mamoon_ said:
Well then Amla should outplay Kohli in Indian conditions first, if you are going to judge Amla on his home turf.

Let see if Amla can score two hundreds in less than 65 balls in the space of 3 games, or score 130 of 80 deliveries chasing 320 inside 40 overs.

Kohli is an unbelievable match winner in ODIs who grabs the game by the scruff of its neck.

He doesn't need to play the anchor role because he is good enough himself to do the job.

Amla is completely reliant on the likes of de Villiers, Kohli doesn't need anyone.

That is the difference between the two and why Kohli is miles better.
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Good post!
 
Sandeep99 said:
Similar situation when India were chasing daunting 350 against Aussies, wickets falling on the other side, what does Kohli do? Take the game by the scruff of it's neck and kill it. Difference between Amla and Kohli is killer instinct
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There is a differnce fo class. Pressure games like this seperate the men from the boys and we know where these two gentleman stand now ! :yk
 
farazaidi said:
There is a differnce fo class. Pressure games like this seperate the men from the boys and we know where these two gentleman stand now ! :yk
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Do you want a humble pie, I'm baking a dozen :yk

Had some myself too, very nice yumm :inzi
 
Mamoon_ said:
Well then Amla should outplay Kohli in Indian conditions first, if you are going to judge Amla on his home turf.

Let see if Amla can score two hundreds in less than 65 balls in the space of 3 games, or score 130 of 80 deliveries chasing 320 inside 40 overs.

Kohli is an unbelievable match winner in ODIs who grabs the game by the scruff of its neck.

He doesn't need to play the anchor role because he is good enough himself to do the job.

Amla is completely reliant on the likes of de Villiers, Kohli doesn't need anyone.

That is the difference between the two and why Kohli is miles better.
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These are the stats in matches both played :
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...&orderbyad=&size=&submit_results=Submit+query

Amla 454 runs at 57 with a strike rate of 95.
Kohli 282 runs at 40 with a strike rate of 79.

Lol at you bringing stats from the series in witch Faulkner's batting was better than Viv.
 
Iqbal6 said:
next series will decide who is better..amla or kohli in saf conditions.
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Amla can accumulate lots of runs and Kohli can make a grand total to 10 runs in next series. Still Kohli is far better batsman. It's not about the runs. It's about the skill to change gears. You can get out and that's a different thing but playing your innings exactly the same way in first 20 and last 5 overs is criminal.

That's why stats are one aspect but people need to watch games. Amla is a fine batsman but not really a guy who can shift gears. He waits for the bad ball rather than creating situations to hit good balls. I mean you are well set and batted for 130 balls. Play some shots even if you don't get lose balls. You can get out and that's fine but there is no use for keeping wickets in hands and taking the game till the last ball.

I personally don't like Dhoni dong it as well but he pulls it off invariably even if 15 runs are needed in the last over.

AB, Kohli & Dhoni are far ahead of Amla due to their ability to shift gears. It doesn't matter how many runs Amla accumulates in future. Those three have played many explosive long innings to win games for their country.
 
Mobashir said:
These are the stats in matches both played :
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...&orderbyad=&size=&submit_results=Submit+query

Amla 454 runs at 57 with a strike rate of 95.
Kohli 282 runs at 40 with a strike rate of 79.

Lol at you bringing stats from the series in witch Faulkner's batting was better than Viv.
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You don't get it.

Today's knock of 98 will also serve to boost Amla's average, but was it a good knock?

How many times has Amla won a game single-handedly like Kohli?

When has Amla played innings like 130 of 80 balls to chase down 320 inside 40 overs (otherwise India would have been out of the tournament) or score 183 while chasing 320 (another must win game) and those were way before the India Australia series.

There is no case in Amla's favor. Sorry.

Kohli is miles better and no one cares if he has less average, he is 100x the match winner/pressure player Amla ever will be.

Yuvraj averages 10 runs less per innings compared to Kallis, but he has was 10 times more ODIs for India than Kallis has for South Africa.
 
And if only thing that matter is head to head record well then Asad Shafiq has outbatted Kallis both home and away. So Shafiq must be a better Test batsman than Kallis.
 
Mamoon_ said:
You don't get it.

Today's knock of 98 will also serve to boost Amla's average, but was it a good knock?
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I get it, and I know it was a match loosing knock. Don't need mamoon to tell me that.

Mamoon_ said:
How many times has Amla won a game single-handedly like Kohli?

When has Amla played innings like 130 of 80 balls to chase down 320 inside 40 overs (otherwise India would have been out of the tournament) or score 183 while chasing 320 (another must win game) and those were way before the India Australia series.

There is no case in Amla's favor. Sorry.

Kohli is miles better and no one cares if he has less average, he is 100x the match winner/pressure player Amla ever will be.
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Sorry but Amla don't get to play in the conditions Kohli gets to play, this is what you can't understand.
A litle bit of swing in the Pak vs India series and where was Kohli gone? Different players.
One is for all conditions all bowlers and consistent (Amla) and one is tremendous against average bowling and batting paradise (Kohli).
Thankfully for Kohli he more often than not plays in those conditions that suit them.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Do you want a humble pie, I'm baking a dozen :yk

Had some myself too, very nice yumm :inzi
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which pie are you talking about mate? I've always rated Kohli since those epic knocks in Australia and Bangladesh. Incase you havnt understood, Amla is the one exposed today as he faultered at the first sign of pressure.

Kohli is Bradman-esque in run chases !
 
Mobashir said:
I get it, and I know it was a match loosing knock. Don't need mamoon to tell me that.


Sorry but Amla don't get to play in the conditions Kohli gets to play, this is what you can't understand.
A litle bit of swing in the Pak vs India series and where was Kohli gone? Different players.
One is for all conditions all bowlers and consistent (Amla) and one is tremendous against average bowling and batting paradise (Kohli).
Thankfully for Kohli he more often than not plays in those conditions that suit them.
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Have u seen him in SA,England or Australia?
 
Both are equal i guess.

BTW indian pitches were butter and australian bowling attack was poor, so yes Amla can score 100s in 65 balls if the conditions and bowling attack is same
 
Abhilash said:
Have u seen him in SA,England or Australia?
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Yes I have seen him in SA, in England vs England and in Australia vs Australia not facing trundlers and spinner from Sri Lanka.
Averages about 10 in Australia vs Australia if I am not wrong?:yk
 
No competition whats so ever, Kohli is better. Have to admit that this Amla innings rivals that Tendulkar 100th 100 for selfishness.
 
Mobashir said:
Yes I have seen him in SA, in England vs England and in Australia vs Australia not facing trundlers and spinner from Sri Lanka.
Averages about 10 in Australia vs Australia if I am not wrong?:yk
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AFAIK, he scored 70 odd and a century against Australia?

And more over he was our best batsman in your so called swinging conditions in SA..
 
farazaidi said:
which pie are you talking about mate? I've always rated Kohli since those epic knocks in Australia and Bangladesh. Incase you havnt understood, Amla is the one exposed today as he faultered at the first sign of pressure.

Kohli is Bradman-esque in run chases !
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Just kidding yaar, mood me hun :yk
 
Mobashir said:
I get it, and I know it was a match loosing knock. Don't need mamoon to tell me that.


Sorry but Amla don't get to play in the conditions Kohli gets to play, this is what you can't understand.
A litle bit of swing in the Pak vs India series and where was Kohli gone? Different players.
One is for all conditions all bowlers and consistent (Amla) and one is tremendous against average bowling and batting paradise (Kohli).
Thankfully for Kohli he more often than not plays in those conditions that suit them.
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Its not about conditions, its about the style of play.

de Villiers plays in the same conditions as Amla but he produces stunning knocks. Why?

Amla is not good enough to take control of the game and influence the result and that is why he plays the anchor role.

The likes of Kohli and de Villiers take center stage because they are capable. They don't have to play the anchor role.
 
Kohli slightly ahead because he's done a little more in ICC tournaments.


for that same reason,
Dhawan> amla and kohli combined.
 
Abhilash said:
Against Indian trundlers?

Do you mean Indian bowling>Australia bowling ? :kapil
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Yes in indian conditions , indian bowling attack suits their home conditions as spinners do a good job, whereas Australian trundlers like Faulkner, coulter nile, Mckay, doherty can easily go very expensive as they are not accoustmed to conditions
 
shahidrazzaq said:
I already said it before. I was joking. Obviously Tendulkar is superior to Amla in finishing. He has a very minute competition. I thought somebody would catch on to the joke.

But in all seriousness, Amla has surprised me by playing well in all 3 formats, obviously his T20 game isn't top tier, but he has had his success here and there. And also, he's played 73 matches. That's a lot to make a statement and leave a mark. Pakistani legend Zaheer Abbas played 62 ODIs.
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I knew it was a fun post . Actually if ur stat is to be taken into serious account then most tailenders can claim for more % of Not Outs :junaid :ajmal

I think Ojha would beat :sachin in this :D
 
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