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Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli in ODIs

Sachin's ODI carreer can be divided in to two. Sachin of 90s and Sachin of 2000s (2000 to 2011). Sachin of 90s played a lot of great ODI innings both under pressure and even while setting the target as well whereas Sachin of 2000s was completely a different player, scored runs consistently with very good pace but he was more like accumulator. not many under pressure like he did in 90s. not many matchwinning innings like he played in 90s.

Kohli is more like Sachin of 90s and Amla is more like Sachin of 2000s. I would pick Sachin of 90s, because oppositions feared and he was more dangerous but in 2000s, same oppositions worried more of players that are following Sachin than Sachin.
 
Ridiculous comparison to begin with. Apples and oranges. They are both future greats and thats the only way they are comparable. There currently isn't an opener that comes close to Amla so its better to compare Kohli with guys like AB and Sanga.
 
Jo_Don said:
Are you thick or were you just born this way?

What does a middle order choke have to do with a consistently solid platform provided by an opening batsman? And please don't bring in any of this "but Sehwag gets out early so Kohli effectively opens" nonsense.

You're trolling and disrupting this thread. If you can't post in a proper and coherent manner then please don't post at all.
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ok i choked:amla
 
idly sambar said:
I would pick Sachin of 90s, because oppositions feared and he was more dangerous but in 2000s, same oppositions worried more of players that are following Sachin than Sachin.
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I bet that made sense in your head but as you were typing it got tangled into the nonsense you just posted.
 
this thread went 2 pages?

whatever amla fans say, he isnt even the best in his team.... forget being compared to kohli (who himself makes soft runs at most times.) that says a lot about quality of amla.
 
Itachi said:
this thread went 2 pages?

whatever amla fans say, he isnt even the best in his team.... forget being compared to kohli (who himself makes soft runs at most times.) that says a lot about quality of amla.
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Bound to reach 6 pages minimum. The thread hasn't reached the eyes of statisticians Webguru and WL yet. Wait for it. And Kohli sucks by the way :)))
 
^ kohli doesn't suck but he isn't AS great as people makes him (in my opinion). and Amla is even lower than him.
 
lol @ ppl putting amla down....he is a gem in ODI's...so is kohli

really diff to pick the better batsman between da 2...both r about the same level...and both r match winners...kohli is a lil better in certain pressure scenarios...amla himself is pretty damn good in ths scenarios jus not as good as kohli...but amla is a better batsman against tough bowling units on tough pitches...kohli can go missing in certain tough scenarios like ths....still kohli aint bad either in ths scenarios....and BOTH hav been pretty mediocre in da BIG knock out games in tournaments...iam sure both will rectify it....both look like batsmen who can do it easily...amla I hope does it in 2015 itself coz age aint on his side...for kohli tho thr is loads of tym...

overall rite now both r about da same...
 
Amla is currently the better of the two but I think at the end of both their careers Kohli will be seen as the better odi batsman, and by quite a distance I reckon.
 
lol @ ppl putting amla down....he is a gem in ODI's...so is kohli

really diff to pick the better batsman between da 2...both r about the same level...and both r match winners...kohli is a lil better in certain pressure scenarios...amla himself is pretty damn good in ths scenarios jus not as good as kohli...but amla is a better batsman against tough bowling units on tough pitches...kohli can go missing in certain tough scenarios like ths....still kohli aint bad either in ths scenarios....and BOTH hav been pretty mediocre in da BIG knock out games in tournaments...iam sure both will rectify it....both look like batsmen who can do it easily...amla I hope does it in 2015 itself coz age aint on his side...for kohli tho thr is loads of tym...

overall rite now both r about da same...
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1st of all, it is not facebook. a little bit proper english would be appreciated. just a lil more.

2nd, what pressure situation you are talking about amla? show me one match.
 
Itachi said:
1st of all, it is not facebook. a little bit proper english would be appreciated. just a lil more.

2nd, what pressure situation you are talking about amla? show me one match.
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u troll if u don't understand my posts try ignorin em....no one asked u to read em.......u tell da same thing nycly and I ll understand and try givin u a nycly structured post next time...if u cant u better not giv any comments bout da way I post at all

and secondly.....off da top of my head...thr is dat 100 in Dubai against pak....2010...sa posted somewhr around 223....amla played thru da 50 overs....wasn't a easy pitch to bat on....sa won...amla was battin at a strike rate of 90+....had 119*....da next best contribution was 26...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/461568.html

u can even read articles of dat match on cricinfo....most experts felt amla was batting on a different pitch compared to his partners...

his 150 against eng in eng was special as well...he almost batted thru...scored at around 120...and still sa ended up wit only about 270...almost every batsman was batting at 50-60....strike rate wise....only faf at the end scored at better than run a ball....and he had only about 20 runs in dat match

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/534229.html

and thr is also his 129 in a 300+ chase against wi in wi....even tho its windies...total was big...and he batted really well...he was thr almost till da end...the match was pretty safe at the time he got out...and sa naturally won it....

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/439150.html

then thr Is da recent match against pak...it was a clutch knock....sa needed dat win to stay in da tournament....tho dey choked later in da quarters...still it was a pressure game...he scored 80+

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/578618.html
 
bill_123 said:
u troll if u don't understand my posts try ignorin em....no one asked u to read em.......u tell da same thing nycly and I ll understand and try givin u a nycly structured post next time...if u cant u better not giv any comments bout da way I post at all

and secondly.....off da top of my head...thr is dat 100 in Dubai against pak....2010...sa posted somewhr around 223....amla played thru da 50 overs....wasn't a easy pitch to bat on....sa won...amla was battin at a strike rate of 90+....had 119*....da next best contribution was 26...

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/461568.html

u can even read articles of dat match on cricinfo....most experts felt amla was batting on a different pitch compared to his partners...

his 150 against eng in eng was special as well...he almost batted thru...scored at around 120...and still sa ended up wit only about 270...almost every batsman was batting at 50-60....strike rate wise....only faf at the end scored at better than run a ball....and he had only about 20 runs in dat match

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/534229.html

and thr is also his 129 in a 300+ chase against wi in wi....even tho its windies...total was big...and he batted really well...he was thr almost till da end...the match was pretty safe at the time he got out...and sa naturally won it....

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/439150.html

then thr Is da recent match against pak...it was a clutch knock....sa needed dat win to stay in da tournament....tho dey choked later in da quarters...still it was a pressure game...he scored 80+

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/578618.html
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One liners are fine but such a long post is surely difficult to read. It defeats the purpose of posting on forums. You have put few good points above but it's not an easy read.
 
Amla is far superior can score runs on any surface across formats too.

Kolhi is still very young though and has played more matches than Amla on top of that India play more ODI's than SA. So when Kolhi retires he will have all the records.
 
Blessed with such cricketing gyan after reasing this thread.

Indians only make easy runs batting first.
Indians also make easy runs while chasing small targets.

What happens to Pakistani batsmen while chasing or batting first. Why can't they make easy runs ? :P
 
Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli: Who is the better ODI batsman?

jusarrived said:
different roles agreed , but in that case are you suggesting Amla is better than AB ?
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Nope, they're both great at what they do. I don't expect Amla to be a great middle order batsman and finisher, and I don't expect AB to be a great opener. Hence the reason why this particular comparison baffles me.
 
Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli: Who is the better ODI batsman?

Itachi said:
this thread went 2 pages?

whatever amla fans say, he isnt even the best in his team.... forget being compared to kohli (who himself makes soft runs at most times.) that says a lot about quality of amla.
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The quality of your posts has been decreasing over time and I'm sorry to say that it's now bordering on pure garbage.

We were discussing 2 of the top 3 batsmen in ODIs in this thread before you jumped in with this drivel.
 
Garuda said:
Blessed with such cricketing gyan after reasing this thread.

Indians only make easy runs batting first.
Indians also make easy runs while chasing small targets.
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and Indians bowlers are crap cant keep the batsmen from scoring :P
 
Right now Amla is playing at his peaks and is just slightly better than Kohli in ODI.
Kohli is just 24 and has long way to improve himself and just imagine what Kohli will do at his peaks.
Also Amla is more dependable player in 1st innings & Kohli is more dependable player than Amla right now while playing 2nd innings.

And it will not be so far that Kohli will be compared to Amla in Tests too.
I am sure soon there will a thread of Amla Vs Kohli in Tests.

Also whenever I will feel low I will open this thread and will read Mobashir's comments. :afridi
 
Chromeuser said:
Right now Amla is playing at his peaks and is just slightly better than Kohli in ODI.
Kohli is just 24 and has long way to improve himself and just imagine what Kohli will do at his peaks.
Also Amla is more dependable player in 1st innings & Kohli is more dependable player than Amla right now while playing 2nd innings.

And it will not be so far that Kohli will be compared to Amla in Tests too.
I am sure soon there will a thread of Amla Vs Kohli in Tests.

Also whenever I will feel low I will open this thread and will read Mobashir's comments. :afridi
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He's already peaked.. I can't see him improving to be perfectly honest, unless he starts to score a century every 2-4 games that's it for him in ODI's. He should really look to improve his test game because that's the format that seperate's the legends from the greats :msd
 
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Kiwi said:
He's already peaked.. I can't see him improving to be perfectly honest, unless he starts to score a century every 2-4 games that's it for him in ODI's. He should really look to improve his test game because that's the format that seperate's the legends from the greats :msd
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How do you know that?

He is only barely into his fifth year of international cricket and most players peak only in their late 20s or early 30s and stay there for a few years before gradually ( sometimes quickly) going down. And some like Kallis and Sanga are still going strong past 35.

Kohli may not peak in the sense that his averages will go a notch up, but his game against better teams on tougher conditions have much scope for improvement from here. Once he does that he will reach the peak. I think that will take 2-3 years at least.
 
IndianWillow said:
How do you know that?

He is only barely into his fifth year of international cricket and most players peak only in their late 20s or early 30s and stay there for a few years before gradually ( sometimes quickly) going down. And some like Kallis and Sanga are still going strong past 35.

Kohli may not peak in the sense that his averages will go a notch up, but his game against better teams on tougher conditions have much scope for improvement from here. Once he does that he will reach the peak. I think that will take 2-3 years at least.
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I can't see him bettering what he's done, he's hit the peak of his talents and he can't perfect what's already perfect. It's only a steady run or decline from here as bowlers begin to find weaknesses. Unless you expect him to :don it?
 
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Kiwi said:
I can't see him bettering what he's done, he's hit the peak of his talents and he can't perfect what's already perfect. It's only a steady run or decline from here as bowlers begin to find weaknesses. Unless you expect him to :don it?
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He will hit the peak of his talents when he starts scoring heavily against good bowlers in alien conditions. He has not done much justice in this area yet.
 
IndianWillow said:
He will hit the peak of his talents when he starts scoring heavily against good bowlers in alien conditions. He has not done much justice in this area yet.
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Scoring wise he can't beat what he's done, you must understand that?
 
3 pages on some dull and inconsequential pyjama cricket comparison, who cares lol

Let's have more threads on Test cricket thanks.
 
Kiwi said:
Scoring wise he can't beat what he's done, you must understand that?
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He can, when he improves him game against better opponents. So far has not been very successful against Aus, Pak and SA, and when he improves this record he can beat what he has done. He is very young and has a lot of time to do this.
 
James said:
3 pages on some dull and inconsequential pyjama cricket comparison, who cares lol

Let's have more threads on Test cricket thanks.
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Kohli, any other Indian (Tendulkar on current form) or Pakistani don't come close to Amla in tests or AB for that matter :91:
 
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IndianWillow said:
He can, when he improves him game against better opponents. So far has not been very successful against Aus, Pak and SA, and when he improves this record he can beat what he has done. He is very young and has a lot of time to do this.
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If he does it'll be insignificant considering the quality of bowling around these days in ODI's. That is why he'll never be considered better than Sachin or Viv.
 
chickenkarhai said:
I was not talking about the indian team i was talking about kohli be sure to point it out if i missed some knock of his that was scored in tough conditions against a quality attack.

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:facepalm: Indian team doesnt win with its bowling battery. We win by batting. And kohli is one down in that batting order says a lot about his ability..
As far as bowling attack is concerned apart from that all important bilateral Aman ki Ashsa series against Pakistan He has performed well against any bowling attack including Pakistan.

As far as ATG is concerned, Unless their is poverty of talent for prolonged period, Once people have seen Lara, Tendulkar, Warne, Murali, Wasim the next ATG player has to beat or reach that benchmark.
 
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Kiwi said:
Kohli, any other Indian (Tendulkar on current form) or Pakistani don't come close to Amla in tests or AB for that matter :91:
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lol at this disguised kiwi hyping Amla like anything. why is that, just because Amla has long beard? :D
 
Kiwi said:
If he does it'll be insignificant considering the quality of bowling around these days in ODI's. That is why he'll never be considered better than Sachin or Viv.
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Why this particular thing was not considered when you said Ponting is better than Sachin or Lara? Ponting took advantage of weaker bowling lineups in 2000s whereas Sachin and Lara had their great time in 90s (against better bowling lineups).
 
I think Kohli is rubbish, overhyped by the indians as usual. Amla is miles better. Give kohli sahib some bounce and he starts flapping around like a fish out of water. urgh.
 
Kiwi said:
If he does it'll be insignificant considering the quality of bowling around these days in ODI's. That is why he'll never be considered better than Sachin or Viv.
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We are discussing Amla vs Kohli, not Kohli vs Viv or Kohli vs Sachin. According to your logic, since bowling is of poor quality today, even a batsman averaging 30 at a S/R of 60 in the 80s must be better than Kohli because they faced better bowlers. That is not the way players are judged. Players are more often judged based on how well they perform over their peers.

It is highly likely that Don Bradman would have never seen a 140K delivery in his whole life and if you get him to bat straight from the amateurish 30s era, he may not average even 20 now. But that is not how we view or evaluate Bradman today - Bradman is considered the best batsman because he was way beyond his peers, more than anybody else has ever done. Similarly, how the world will view Kohli in 20 years from now will be based on how well Kohli performed against his peers like Amla, ABD etc.
 
IndianWillow said:
We are discussing Amla vs Kohli, not Kohli vs Viv or Kohli vs Sachin. According to your logic, since bowling is of poor quality today, even a batsman averaging 30 at a S/R of 60 in the 80s must be better than Kohli because they faced better bowlers. That is not the way players are judged. Players are more often judged based on how well they perform over their peers.

It is highly likely that Don Bradman would have never seen a 140K delivery in his whole life and if you get him to bat straight from the amateurish 30s era, he may not average even 20 now. But that is not how we view or evaluate Bradman today - Bradman is considered the best batsman because he was way beyond his peers, more than anybody else has ever done. Similarly, how the world will view Kohli in 20 years from now will be based on how well Kohli performed against his peers like Amla, ABD etc.
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Great point.
 
the Great Khan said:
I think Kohli is rubbish, overhyped by the indians as usual. Amla is miles better. Give kohli sahib some bounce and he starts flapping around like a fish out of water. urgh.
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Pressure Crunch match.... Amla is a flop.

No one is perfect. but Amla fails when it matters most. Multiple times.
 
IndianWillow said:
We are discussing Amla vs Kohli, not Kohli vs Viv or Kohli vs Sachin. According to your logic, since bowling is of poor quality today, even a batsman averaging 30 at a S/R of 60 in the 80s must be better than Kohli because they faced better bowlers. That is not the way players are judged. Players are more often judged based on how well they perform over their peers.

It is highly likely that Don Bradman would have never seen a 140K delivery in his whole life and if you get him to bat straight from the amateurish 30s era, he may not average even 20 now. But that is not how we view or evaluate Bradman today - Bradman is considered the best batsman because he was way beyond his peers, more than anybody else has ever done. Similarly, how the world will view Kohli in 20 years from now will be based on how well Kohli performed against his peers like Amla, ABD etc.
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spot on.
 
Vitaly said:
Always liked your views about India
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He was generally a good poster, I remember reading his post in the past when I was a lurker. But recently he has so much hatred towards India. Not sure what did any Indian do to him or must have had some really bad experience.
 
^ Yeah, I can understand some one saying Kohli not as good as Amla. But to claim that Kohli is a rubbish batsman one must have "special" vision.
 
IndianWillow said:
^ Yeah, I can understand some one saying Kohli not as good as Amla. But to claim that Kohli is a rubbish batsman one must have "special" vision.
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Not everyone is blinded by the hype of the Indian media machine (how many hundreds Kohli has against Aus in Aus? SA in SA? NZ in NZ? In World Cups/Champion Trophy etc?).

the Great Khan tells it about the Indians/India like it is and I really respect him for it
 
cars112 said:
Not everyone is blinded by the hype of the Indian media machine (how many hundreds Kohli has against Aus in Aus? SA in SA? NZ in NZ? In World Cups/Champion Trophy etc?).

the Great Khan tells it about the Indians/India like it is and I really respect him for it
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Wrong thread buddy. Don't you read titles? "Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli: Who is the better ODI batsman?"

Say Amla or Kohli and give your reason. No, Kohli is not a rubbish ODI batsman by the wildest stretch of imagination.

And no, a batsman averaging 40+ in tests with a hundred in Australia cannot be a rubbish test batsman either. Rubbish means good for nothing batsman, not somebody who averages 40+ and scores test centuries at the age of 23. Your Great Khan either has filtered vision or knows nothing about cricket. Same for you.
 
cars112 said:
Not everyone is blinded by the hype of the Indian media machine (how many hundreds Kohli has against Aus in Aus? SA in SA? NZ in NZ? In World Cups/Champion Trophy etc?).

the Great Khan tells it about the Indians/India like it is and I really respect him for it
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How many Amala has???
 
IndianWillow said:
Wrong thread buddy. Don't you read titles? "Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli: Who is the better ODI batsman?"

Say Amla or Kohli and give your reason. No, Kohli is not a rubbish ODI batsman by the wildest stretch of imagination.

And no, a batsman averaging 40+ in tests with a hundred in Australia cannot be a rubbish test batsman either. Rubbish means good for nothing batsman, not somebody who averages 40+ and scores test centuries at the age of 23. Your Great Khan either has filtered vision or knows nothing about cricket. Same for you.
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Warner did the same thing, if I remember correctly. Scoring runs in Australia isn't hard as you think, it's pretty funny how Clarke is called a FTB when he scores in Australia but when an Indian scores a measly century he's something else?... It's one or the other, it can't be both.
 
IndianWillow said:
We are discussing Amla vs Kohli, not Kohli vs Viv or Kohli vs Sachin. According to your logic, since bowling is of poor quality today, even a batsman averaging 30 at a S/R of 60 in the 80s must be better than Kohli because they faced better bowlers. That is not the way players are judged. Players are more often judged based on how well they perform over their peers.

It is highly likely that Don Bradman would have never seen a 140K delivery in his whole life and if you get him to bat straight from the amateurish 30s era, he may not average even 20 now. But that is not how we view or evaluate Bradman today - Bradman is considered the best batsman because he was way beyond his peers, more than anybody else has ever done. Similarly, how the world will view Kohli in 20 years from now will be based on how well Kohli performed against his peers like Amla, ABD etc.
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I was just pointing out that he's peaked in ODI's, and that he has to start performing in Tests if he is to go down as one of the best. As for averages, this era has been tailor made for batsmen with flat wickets, drop in pitches and what not all to ensure high scoring games to bring in fans, so yes an average of 50 is inflated and an average of 30 could very well be equivalent to 50-60 (quality of bowling as well) in today's standards.
 
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As for averages, this era has been tailor made for batsmen with flat wickets, drop in pitches and what not all to ensure high scoring games to bring in fans, so yes an average of 50 is inflated and an average of 30 could very well be equivalent to 50-60 (quality of bowling as well) in today's standards.
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I think its time to take a break from PakPassion.
 
Kiwi said:
I was just pointing out that he's peaked in ODI's, and that he has to start performing in Tests if he is to go down as one of the best. As for averages, this era has been tailor made for batsmen with flat wickets, drop in pitches and what not all to ensure high scoring games to bring in fans, so yes an average of 50 is inflated and an average of 30 could very well be equivalent to 50-60 (quality of bowling as well) in today's standards.
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Would like to remember a quote of Don Bradman in this context, he said "a truly great player in one era would be a truly great player in another era". A great player will adjust to the conditions and play accordingly. We all have a habit of living in the past and hailing the past player and demeaning the current lot.

If a player is playing in this era and excelling in it with the set conditions, then we need to only consider such conditions. How can you fault a player if certain rules/conditions favor him? In order to get fair analysis, we can only compare peers, as more or less they are playing within similar conditions and rules etc.
 
TonyStark said:
Never saw amla finishing matches though:moyo

So many ICC tournaments and amla did nothing. ABDV is better finisher.

Test Amla

ODI :kohli

And people saying amla will break kohli's record, Its fine. Kohli is just 24, amla is 30+

kohli likely to go ahead of tendulkar. But amla cant do that. he needs to play 10 more years. that means he will be 40. and i dont think SA will keep him. He is a bad fielder already.:rana
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What does becoming better than Tendulkar have to do with anything?
And it is much less likely for an opener to finish a game rather than a middle order batsman.
 
Kiwi said:
Warner did the same thing, if I remember correctly. Scoring runs in Australia isn't hard as you think, it's pretty funny how Clarke is called a FTB when he scores in Australia but when an Indian scores a measly century he's something else?... It's one or the other, it can't be both.
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At least as far as batsmen are concerned, home conditions are home conditions even if they are tough to bat on because you are used to it. What is so unusually great about Warner or Clarke scoring a century on grounds they have played hundreds of matches since their teens? Indians, especially the new players find it a bit more difficult to adjust to the bounce in Australia even if there is no movement. Similarly many Indian wickets are tough to bat for the visitors, though the Indian batsmen do not find it very challenging. If Clarke scores a century here it would be better appreciated compared to his big knocks in Australia.
 
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At least as far as batsmen are concerned, home conditions are home conditions even if they are tough to bat on because you are used to it. What is so unusually great about Warner or Clarke scoring a century on grounds they have played hundreds of matches since their teens? Indians, especially the new players find it a bit more difficult to adjust to the bounce in Australia even if there is no movement. Similarly many Indian wickets are tough to bat for the visitors, though the Indian batsmen do not find it very challenging. If Clarke scores a century here it would be better appreciated compared to his big knocks in Australia.
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India called the wickets green :facepalm:, yet when Clarke scored a triple and double they called them flat. Which is it? It can't be both? Were they green or flat?

Virat Kohli: "We were given flattest of tracks during practice matches in England and Australia and then suddenly presented with a green-top during the Tests"
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/588475.html
 
Kiwi said:
India called the wickets green :facepalm:, yet when Clarke scored a triple and double they called them flat. Which is it? It can't be both? Were they green or flat?
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And Indians rate Clarke very highly. What are you on about. they dont rate Amla highly because they know he is Trotesque batsman.
 
Kiwi said:
India called the wickets green :facepalm:, yet when Clarke scored a triple and double they called them flat. Which is it? It can't be both? Were they green or flat?



http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/588475.html
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Two reasons:

1. Indian batsmen for that tour were either all inexperienced or pedestrian seniors. It was a struggling team and they found the wickets "green". And Australia has a good bowling side, mind you. The wickets were actually easy to bat on, but India after that disastrous tour of England had no stomach for fight, and did not have the skills either. They would have easily won or drawn a couple of tests against this Australian side if they were the team of the noughties.

2. Indian bowling is usually sub standard and was actually awful during that tour (except for occasional brilliance from Khan and Umesh), and it is not surprising Clarke got the triples and doubles at home. At one point Australia scored around 800 runs for the loss of one wicket during the tour. Even Ponting got a double. And what happened on the Indian tour? Where did these knocks go?
 
Kiwi said:
Go read what you just wrote and :facepalm: yourself..
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Your call is someone peaked at 24 and will decline from here.... while you see that most decent batsman have very good years when they are around 30. Your theories are laughable.

evidences like flat track blue tracks and all are you trolling
 
bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
Your call is someone peaked at 24 and will decline from here.... while you see that most decent batsman have very good years when they are around 30. Your theories are laughable.

evidences like flat track blue tracks and all are you trolling
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How can he possibly better what he's done? He's hit in the wall of his talents and has done what is pretty much what is humanly possible in the ODI format, unless he super humans it and begins to hit a century every 2nd or third game or scores a triple hundred he won't top himself. Tests is where he has to prove himself now.
 
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How can he possibly better what he's done? He's hit in the wall of his talents and has done what is pretty much what is humanly possible in the ODI format, unless he super humans it and begins to hit a century every 2nd or third game or scores a triple hundred he won't top himself. Tests is where he has to prove himself now.
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He needs to keep on doing that for atleast next 10-15 years in odis. Else he will regarded as failure... About tests I agree he is yet to make a start....
 
shahidrazzaq said:
What does becoming better than Tendulkar have to do with anything?
And it is much less likely for an opener to finish a game rather than a middle order batsman.
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Tell this to all the pakistanis who question tendulkar. He was a opener too.
 
Saffer_XIII said:
Really? Thats suprising seeing as how well he has done against India.
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You see..Before the match, We never feel as if we must get Amala out if we need to win the game. Now We keep that feeling for Devil. In past that feeling was reserved for Graeme Smith or Kirsten or Cronje...

We do feel that we must get Clarke out for us to seal the game.
Saying that I think Amala is a very good batsman but noway near Kohli when it comes to odis.
 
Virat Kohli is a bunny and Hashim Amla is a class. It's a joke to compare these two. Hashim Amla and AB De villers -yes, there could be comparison but how can we bring Kohli here? He is just a mammoth of Indian hype!
 
Too many Kohli haters here.

I would pick Kohli over Amla 10 out of 10 times in ODI's against any opposition.

Amla is good. But in LOI, he is no where near Kohli in terms of impact and match winning ability.

Kohli is still in budding stages in Test cricket. He was very young when he toured Eng and Aus.

The coming SA tour will seal the deal for Kohli. Lets see how he performs.
 
mithun_minhas said:
Too many Kohli haters here.

I would pick Kohli over Amla 10 out of 10 times in ODI's against any opposition.

Amla is good. But in LOI, he is no where near Kohli in terms of impact and match winning ability.

Kohli is still in budding stages in Test cricket. He was very young when he toured Eng and Aus.

The coming SA tour will seal the deal for Kohli. Lets see how he performs.
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Many Pakistanis would like to have a Kohli like bat in their side. These two are relatively difficult to separate and evenly matched in ODIs, though Kohli has so far been better in important matches.
 
the Great Khan said:
Give kohli sahib some bounce and he starts flapping around like a fish out of water. urgh.
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Hahahaha! I don't know why but I just found that post to be the funniest I've read here, amazing description!

Anyway, Amla for now, I rate Kohli quite high, but he does have a team that can make him excel.

Both perform regularly.
 
IndianWillow said:
Many Pakistanis would like to have a Kohli like bat in their side. These two are relatively difficult to separate and evenly matched in ODIs, though Kohli has so far been better in important matches.
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Too right, can't get a world class one to save our lives, yet when we do, we mess them up
 
TonyStark said:
Tell this to all the pakistanis who question tendulkar. He was a opener too.
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Look. Tendulkar was a great player, but he has nothing to do with a comparison between Hashim Amla and Virat Kohli.

Oh also, when opening:
:sachin - 340 innings, 23 not outs = 6.76% Not Out
:amla - 71 innings, 5 not outs = 7.04% Not Out

:yk
 
shahidrazzaq said:
Look. Tendulkar was a great player, but he has nothing to do with a comparison between Hashim Amla and Virat Kohli.

Oh also, when opening:
:sachin - 340 innings, 23 not outs = 6.76% Not Out
:amla - 71 innings, 5 not outs = 7.04% Not Out

:yk
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Lol i was telling people who said amla opens and kohli doesnt:farhat

Btw what is this bull**** stat you are providing? :danish

Let amla play 340 matches and then compare him with tendulkar:dav

people here are talking about match winner or not? and not about not outs:misbah
 
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