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Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli in ODIs

Marshland said:
Relax, I mean no offense at all. I'm just trying to read between the lines, that's all.
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I'm sorry mate. Lol I did not mean to come across so agitated and aggressive. I didn't read over the post. My intention was to poke at rather than provoke such a debate but I believe I have a point. All I'm saying is Amlas stats, averages are probably the best in the world. You can't prove any 'Muslim' supports Amla or prefers Amla over anyone else because Amla fans have the stats and facts to back it up.
 
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Gunther said:
It is pretty silly to question Amla's temperament in light of what he has acheived in the last two years. Ricky Ponting himself lauded the manner in which Amla changed the gears and took the initiative in an almost Australian way in the Peth test last year. People maybe wrongly assume that Amla is mentally susceptible just because he does not show much of an attitude on the field.
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Amala is very good in both formats. He can't always bail out SA in all pressure games. His batting was treat to watch in AUS.
 
Itachi said:
lol. You stil didn't get it.

In test, you need to survive.

In odi, you need to survive + make runs to reach the target inside limited balls.

Amla lacks the 2nd factor.
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You're the one who doesn't get it. Test cricket is the ultimate test of a cricketer's mental strength. Amla has shown his temperament in that format with many of his scores coming at a good SR so saying that Amla can't score quickly in pressure situations in ODIs is silly, especially seeing that his SR is 90+
 
Buffet said:
They just need to play some good cricket then you will see them put on very high pedestal. PPers don't get opportunity to express that sentiments because those two are not playing even average cricket.

Amla is great guy and very good batsman but being a Muslim put him in different league at PP. I don't have any issue with it but that's a reality. But some time bringing religion in sports is weird.

I remember one Pakistani batsmen was apologetic to all Muslim in world after losing to India in WC or may be some other important game. That was extremely weird thing to see. If a player in national team can have such views then it's not surprising that an average PPers will put Amla on different league after he give then opportunity with his good performances.
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That was Shoaib Malik in T20WC final 2007

The funny thing was Irfan Pathan was awarded Man of the match after his speech
 
endymion248 said:
:facepalm:

The slightest bit of movement and the pitches become the worst to bat on?

No, sir, those pitches were nothing against SA or england pitches.

It's not because you're used to see phatta indian wickets that those were the most favourable conditions ever.
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You are wrong here , Sir. India registered scores of 300 in England and Pak-SA series has seen few big scores too! Indo-Pak series had few tough pitches in reality.. Both teams struggled to cross 250 in Indian conditions, (given our bowling attack!) And Pakistan had the opportunity to make first use of conditions... And Junaid was really unplayable in one of the matches!:)
 
Gunther said:
It is pretty silly to question Amla's temperament in light of what he has acheived in the last two years. Ricky Ponting himself lauded the manner in which Amla changed the gears and took the initiative in an almost Australian way in the Peth test last year. People maybe wrongly assume that Amla is mentally susceptible just because he does not show much of an attitude on the field.
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people need to read the title. What test innings doing in an odi thread?
 
endymion248 said:
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The slightest bit of movement and the pitches become the worst to bat on?

No, sir, those pitches were nothing against SA or england pitches.

It's not because you're used to see phatta indian wickets that those were the most favourable conditions ever.
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Tell me one thing when Junaid have such a brilliant capability of swinging the ball both ways on those Indian pitches then what happened to him in SA pitches.

This ODI series in SA didn't have any SA type typical wickets.No offense to Junaid Khan but he was not able to swing the ball in SA as he did in India.

OR maybe you forget how Junaid and B Kumar swung the ball in that ODI series.
 
Saurav said:
That was Shoaib Malik in T20WC final 2007

The funny thing was Irfan Pathan was awarded Man of the match after his speech
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That must have been very awkward moment. I wasn't watching the whole match and read that comment later.
 
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Its pretty confusing how its all the non-Muslim or non-religious folk that have turned Amla's religion the focus of this thread.
 
Bilal7 said:
You're the one who doesn't get it. Test cricket is the ultimate test of a cricketer's mental strength. Amla has shown his temperament in that format with many of his scores coming at a good SR so saying that Amla can't score quickly in pressure situations in ODIs is silly, especially seeing that his SR is 90+
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not in pressure situation. He bottles up tuk tuking, then goes out when water goes above the head. Thanks to abcd that rsa win matches.
 
akheR said:
Yes, I mean, that's not like Amla's averaging 58 @ SR +90 in ODIs, tops the ICC rankings right now or is the fastest to get 3000 runs in the format, a bit ahead of the best ODI bat ever, Sir Viv Richards.
All of that doing in a country like SA where it's the easiest to face the new ball for an opener, as probably all know.

Hyped, much.

(I'm not even talking of Tests, there's no competition right now, one got a 300 against the best Test bowling attack in their own backyard, but the other is still too young to judge, even if many other "legends" never crossed the +300 mark, let alone away.)
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Good post.
 
AfridiRagingBull said:
Good post.
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nope. That's a post full with insecurity.

Amla playing his whole life in saf pitches.

Just because we find it hard, doesn't mean everyone wil considering someone who played all his life there. Lamarcks law.

It is a desi mentality that we think high of foreign goods/services.
 
Itachi said:
nope. That's a post full with insecurity.

Amla playing his whole life in saf pitches.

Just because we find it hard, doesn't mean everyone wil considering someone who played all his life there. Lamarcks law.

It is a desi mentality that we think high of foreign goods/services.
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Insecurity ? :amla's not my gf mate (nor even one my fav. batsman from SA either tbh, that would be ABCD ul Islam, and if you talk more widely I prefer mullah KPullah), I'm just trying to talk in purely cricketing terms, perhaps some are indeed sexually aroused by the length of his beard, but to accuse a whole virtual community of swinging their preferences based on religious affiliation is EXACTLY like some brown peoples who keep crying about white "racism" in order to hide their own shortcomings and mistakes.

And yes playing their whole career in different conditions do have an impact... I mean, that's why Punter is a better batsman than :sachin
 
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akheR said:
Insecurity ? :amla's not my gf mate (nor even one my fav. batsman from SA either tbh, that would be ABCD ul Islam, and if you talk more widely I prefer mullah KPullah), I'm just trying to talk in purely cricketing terms, perhaps some are indeed sexually aroused by the length of his beard, but to accuse a whole virtual community of swinging their preferences based on religious affiliation is EXACTLY like some brown peoples who keep crying about white "racism" in order to hide their own shortcomings and mistakes.

And yes playing their whole career in different conditions do have an impact... I mean, that's why Punter is a better batsman than :sachin
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to my post, relevant part is last para and it seems like we agree here i guess?
 
Itachi said:
people need to read the title. What test innings doing in an odi thread?
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Midway through the thread, some posters were discussing Amla's temperament. I brought up an example that demonstrated few of Amla 's mental faculties that I believe are not limited to one format.
 
endymion248 said:
:facepalm:

The slightest bit of movement and the pitches become the worst to bat on?

No, sir, those pitches were nothing against SA or england pitches.

It's not because you're used to see phatta indian wickets that those were the most favourable conditions ever.
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Stop lying. You will see a score of 300+ in ODIs in every country except Windies. Go and see the scores in every country in the last 3-4 years , very similar to the Indian ones. *(they are not patta)
And INDIA WILL NEVER BE 5 down in the first 10-15 overs anywhere unless the pitches are as low scoring as those in that series
1st ODI was a grassy pitch, the rain livened it even more. Kolkata has never been a flat pitch in any format, low scores are common in ODIs there historically. 3rd one was teh toughest.

I facepalm at your ignorance of this basic fact about the tough conditions in that 3 match series, that many people have pointed out in other threads.
 
Gunther said:
Midway through the thread, some posters were discussing Amla's temperament. I brought up an example that demonstrated few of Amla 's mental faculties that I believe are not limited to one format.
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arguably temperament needed for test and odi are different. One doesn't bring the other. E.g. Raina, uv.
 
Itachi said:
arguably temperament needed for test and odi are different. One doesn't bring the other. E.g. Raina, uv.
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Raina and Yuvraj haven't had suceess at test level because they lack some quite basic test match batting skills like weakness against short pitched stuff, not knowing where your off-stump is.. and not because they do not have the requisite temperament.
 
Comparing :kohli with :amla is like comparing some rotten vegetable with fresh chonsa Pakistani mango :facepalm:
 
Gunther said:
Raina and Yuvraj haven't had suceess at test level because they lack some quite basic test match batting skills like weakness against short pitched stuff, not knowing where your off-stump is.. and not because they do not have the requisite temperament.
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I think Dravid and VVS would be better examples who had everything for one format but didn't have it for other. I don't think Amala is in that category. May be not a big game player in ODI but then whole SA team chokes so Amala shouldn't be singled out.
 
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Lethalweapon said:
Stop lying. You will see a score of 300+ in ODIs in every country except Windies. Go and see the scores in every country in the last 3-4 years , very similar to the Indian ones. *(they are not patta)
And INDIA WILL NEVER BE 5 down in the first 10-15 overs anywhere unless the pitches are as low scoring as those in that series
1st ODI was a grassy pitch, the rain livened it even more. Kolkata has never been a flat pitch in any format, low scores are common in ODIs there historically. 3rd one was teh toughest.

I facepalm at your ignorance of this basic fact about the tough conditions in that 3 match series, that many people have pointed out in other threads.
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Scores are similar because other countries have batsmen that are not FTBs.

Those conditions were a bit favourable, no more.

But no point in debating when your argument is that ''Every pitc were Indian FTBs are 5 down in the first 10-15 overs'' is a green pitch.
 
National bias aside, I'll take Kohli in my team. After all, it's ODIs we're talking about are we not?

Don't care what religion he is, or whatever the discussion on the previous page was about.
 
endymion248 said:
Scores are similar because other countries have batsmen that are not FTBs.

Those conditions were a bit favourable, no more.

But no point in debating when your argument is that ''Every pitc were Indian FTBs are 5 down in the first 10-15 overs'' is a green pitch.
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you are ignorant. how sad!
Junaid not getting inswing in SA is proof of that. there is a thread on that. many posts mention the un-Indian conditions there.
the pitches favoured bowlers a LOT. Specially new ball bowlers.
People like trying to prove otherwise , either to put Kohli down or to big up your pacers, it seems.
I said 'low scoring' , that does not mean just a green pitch.

BTW, India has won ODI series in every country except SA , just like Pak.
 
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Amla averages 46 in run chases with 2 100's and 7 50's in 26 innings with a S.R of 85.
To put that into perspective KP averages 39 at a S.R of 87 with 4 100's and 9 50's in 66 innings, is he no match winner as well?

I dont know why certain people deliberately act like morons to be honest.
 
Eye_Done said:
Comparing :kohli with :amla is like comparing some rotten vegetable with fresh chonsa Pakistani mango :facepalm:
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When comparing two rising and promising stars (where one may be better than the other), why should one be equated with a rotten vegetable? A troll is always a troll.
 
Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli: Who is the better ODI batsman?

Their ODIs stats show:

Mat Runs 100s 50s High Avg SR

HA 75 3657 11 21 150 55.40 91.37
VK 110 4507 15 23 183 48.98 86.80


Their Stats in won matches

H.A has scored 82% of his runs in matches that S.A won

VK has scored 75% in won matches

Mat Runs 100s Avg
HA 47 2994 11 73.02
VK 68 3425 14 64.62

Against top Seven

Mat Runs 100s Avg
HA 60 2846 7 53.69
VK 99 3944 12 47.51


Based on stats there is nothing to separate both these, however H.A has slightly better stats than V.K.
 
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Statistically Amla's better. And it's harder to score runs as an opener and Amla even does it quicker. There are middle order batsmen comparable to Kohli currently, but no one comparable to Amla since Tendulkar retired from limited overs.

Still, I'd probably take Kohli for some reason. Also the better finisher though as an opener Amla would hardly need to finish.
 
Amla clearly superior but not by much. Although if you look at Kohli, he's played some crucial knocks, like the partnership with Gambhir in 2011 World cup final and the CT knock. Amla hasn't yet stood up for SA in crucial games.
 
King Amla wipes the floor with any other ODI batsman at the moment.
Those numbers are massive.
 
Re: Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli: who is better ODI batsman

Gotta say Hash is ahead of VK. Hash doesn't play many ODIs and so despite a superior average he mostly won't break any tons or runs record. Great player. VK is still a youngsta though :kohli
 
AGE is an important factor,so KOhli way ahead inspite of Amla having a better record,secondly Amla is an opener and hence has more opportunity to score quicker and also has less pressure on him for finishing matches infact none...
if we consider fielding as well....then Kohli has no competition....given a chance I will take Kohli because I can gurantee Amla will be failing miserably at 3 and 4 with the slightest hint of pressure
 
Will Hashim Amla maintain that Bradmanesque average? His career average is 55+ but his average for the past two years is around 52. Kohli has played around 40% more games and you never know if Amla can maintain that. Moreover, Amla at age 30 is at the peak of his prowess, and Kohli is just 25 and has a long way to reach his peak.
 
They are both awesome. I prefer Virat for his ability to raise his game when team needs it the most.
 
tough to chose,but Amla hasnt played any memorable innings like VK has played in Hobart and Asia Cup,plus he has done better in ICC tournament knockouts.So I'd chose Kohli

thats only for ODIs though.Overall Amla is much ahead
 
Kohli is better ODI batsman irrespective of stats, Amla is good but has habit of choking under pressure
 
:amla --> Best opener in the game!

:kohli --> Best 'middle order' batsman in ODIs

If I have to choose I'd say Hashim Amla but Virat Kohli will be a legend in ODIs too.
 
Never saw amla finishing matches though:moyo

So many ICC tournaments and amla did nothing. ABDV is better finisher.

Test Amla

ODI :kohli

And people saying amla will break kohli's record, Its fine. Kohli is just 24, amla is 30+

kohli likely to go ahead of tendulkar. But amla cant do that. he needs to play 10 more years. that means he will be 40. and i dont think SA will keep him. He is a bad fielder already.:rana
 
define better?

if it is based on stats, then amla.

if you count on effect on matches, then Kohli >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amla (in ODI)

Sorry, boosting winning % in JAMODIS doesn't count.
 
TonyStark said:
Never saw amla finishing matches though:moyo

So many ICC tournaments and amla did nothing. ABDV is better finisher.

Test Amla

ODI :kohli

And people saying amla will break kohli's record, Its fine. Kohli is just 24, amla is 30+

kohli likely to go ahead of tendulkar. But amla cant do that. he needs to play 10 more years. that means he will be 40. and i dont think SA will keep him. He is a bad fielder already.:rana
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Every time :amla has scored 70+ SA have won...
 
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Itachi said:
define better?

if it is based on stats, then amla.

if you count on effect on matches, then Kohli >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amla (in ODI)

Sorry, boosting winning % in JAMODIS doesn't count.
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Actually Kohli has pretty abysmal stats in tournament finals and has been mediocre in the only WC he has played.

But he is much more likely to rectify it rather than Amla because he has age on his side.

I think Amla slightly edges it since i have a soft spot for openers :sachin
 
Itachi said:
define better?

if it is based on stats, then amla.

if you count on effect on matches, then Kohli >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amla (in ODI)

Sorry, boosting winning % in JAMODIS doesn't count.
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Rubbish, when Kohli makes runs in JAMODIS he's a legend but when Amla does he's boosting his winning %?... :facepalm:
 
Scrolln said:
Actually Kohli has pretty abysmal stats in tournament finals and has been mediocre in the only WC he has played.

But he is much more likely to rectify it rather than Amla because he has age on his side.

I think Amla slightly edges it since i have a soft spot for openers :sachin
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Bigger sample size as well.... Amla has only played TWO knock out games and clutched it against Pakistain in the CT..
 
Not a match winner :facepalm:

H.A has scored 82% of his runs in matches that S.A won

VK has scored 75% in won matches
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75%> 82%?.. He's of Indian heritage lay off the guy..
 
Kiwi said:
Not a match winner :facepalm:

75%> 82%?.. He's of Indian heritage lay off the guy..
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who's the bigger match winner according to you between Lara , Sachin and Ponting?? ... provided that Sachin has more % of runs in winning matches than any of the above..
 
Robbie said:
who's the bigger match winner according to you between Lara , Sachin and Ponting?? ... provided that Sachin has more % of runs in winning matches than any of the above..
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Ponting and Lara are both superior but what are the actual stats?
 
Amla ofcourse he is the best ODI batsman in the world by far does not struggle against quality seam and spin and can score runs on very difficult tracks.Kohli is a very good player one of the best ODI batsmen these days though but i am yet to see him score runs in tough conditions against a quality attack.
 
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Robbie said:
who's the bigger match winner according to you between Lara , Sachin and Ponting?? ... provided that Sachin has more % of runs in winning matches than any of the above..
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You are wrong ponting has the highest percentage of the three better than lara and sachin.I think is is around the 70 mark in both odi and test cricket.
 
Kohli is better for being not out when chasing targetss around 200 (often under 200) to boost his average.

He is half the batsman Amal is in ODI's.
 
TonyStark said:
Never saw amla finishing matches though:moyo

So many ICC tournaments and amla did nothing. ABDV is better finisher.

Test Amla
ODI :kohli

And people saying amla will break kohli's record, Its fine. Kohli is just 24, amla is 30+

kohli likely to go ahead of tendulkar. But amla cant do that. he needs to play 10 more years. that means he will be 40. and i dont think SA will keep him. He is a bad fielder already.:rana
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Did anyone asked about Tests? Or you said Amla just to make people think they are comparable in Tests?

Lol Amla a bad fielder, you can hear all kind of things from these blind infiand fans.
 
Mobashir said:
Kohli is better for being not out when chasing targetss around 200 (often under 200) to boost his average.

He is half the batsman Amal is in ODI's.
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I thought that wasn't possible with our bowling?
 
Kiwi said:
Ponting and Lara are both superior but what are the actual stats?
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If the performance in Test matches is considered, Lara's contribution to his side's victories have been 24.50 per cent of his total Test runs (11953) while Tendulkar's 37.01 per cent career runs (15837) have benefited India....
 
Robbie said:
If the performance in Test matches is considered, Lara's contribution to his side's victories have been 24.50 per cent of his total Test runs (11953) while Tendulkar's 37.01 per cent career runs (15837) have benefited India....
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And ponting? These are pointless and needless stats anyway you do not need stats to judge a players worth statistics are very misleading.
 
chickenkarhai said:
And ponting? These are pointless and needless stats anyway you do not need stats to judge a players worth statistics are very misleading.
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Exactly... with those pointless stats how Amla is a better batsman than... :kohli
 
IndianWillow said:
Kohli is good while chasing 325 off 40 overs also.
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He will have to do it against quality attacks to be rated equal or better than Amla.

Robbie said:
Exactly... with those pointless stats how Amla is a better batsman than... :kohli
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Well stats do not matter actually form a purely viewing point of view there is no one as good as Amla in odi cricket at the moment he scores everywhere against everyone and i also think he is superior to every other odi player in the world from a statistical point of view and i also can not think of one good reason to rate kohli ahead or even equal to amla.
 
TonyStark said:
Never saw amla finishing matches though:moyo

So many ICC tournaments and amla did nothing. ABDV is better finisher.
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How many openers do you know of who finish games?

As usual, the level of logic that some people stoop to is astounding.

They're both good in their respective positions but not really comparable due to where they bat. A better comparison would be AB vs. Kohli.
 
I think Kohli's 183 helped chased Pakistan 330+ score against pak bowlers.. if my memory serves right.. I dont remember any of Amla's good innings.. Amla is consistent i'll give you that.. But he does not have flair or charima of Virat... Kohli is something else... I dont think i wud be vary of Amla if my team scores 300+.. whereas I wud be havin nightmares if Kohli is in the opposition despite havin scoed 300+
 
Guys guys guys.... Kohli directly jumped to pressures of ODI at age 19..& after 109 ODIs still maintaining such numbs r excellence par...
Whereas Amla played loads of Test matches for SA , gained international pressure experience n then around 27 age ,earned his spot to ODI .... So cud adjust n score immediately....
& I read someone saying dat, batting opening(amla) is tough but one down (Kohli) is easy & stuff... WAT A JOKE ?
Being in uncertainity in dressing room on wen vl he get to bat , may b 2nd ball or 25th over..cuming at the pressure of having lost a wicket ...Yet

So am I the only here or u guys vl prove, Im blind in my opinion :msd
 
Guys guys guys.... Kohli directly jumped to pressures of ODI at age 19..& after 109 ODIs still maintaining such numbs r excellence par...
Whereas Amla played loads of Test matches for SA , gained international pressure experience n then around 27 age ,earned his spot to ODI .... So cud adjust n score immediately....
& I read someone saying dat, batting opening(amla) is tough but one down (Kohli) is easy & stuff... WAT A JOKE ?
Being in uncertainity in dressing room on wen vl he get to bat , may b 2nd ball or 25th over..cuming at the pressure of having lost a wicket ...Yet

So am I the only here or u guys vl prove, Im blind in my opinion :msd
 
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I think Kohli's 183 helped chased Pakistan 330+ score against pak bowlers.. if my memory serves right.. I dont remember any of Amla's good innings.. Amla is consistent i'll give you that.. But he does not have flair or charima of Virat... Kohli is something else... I dont think i wud be vary of Amla if my team scores 300+.. whereas I wud be havin nightmares if Kohli is in the opposition despite havin scoed 300+
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Replace Amla with Kohli in the SA team and go chase 300+ :msd
 
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