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Hashim Amla vs Virat Kohli in ODIs

Those who are saying one is played on flat track and one has not, relax! ODI tracks are usually flat everywhere in the world.

Amla is clearly batter batsmen, so let's not hyperventilate in claiming that he is! Kohli isn't far behind either. I would have both in my team.

Agree with every word in your post!
 
Agree! Almost for Virat, 12 out of 13 are matchwinning.

But All of Amla's hundreds are matchtwinning! 10 out of 10!



Yet Amla scores at a faster rate than Kohli...

I dont rate any hundred scored battig first . By that argument why do 90% of pp have a problem calling Tendulkar a matchwinner ?
 
I dont rate any hundred scored battig first . By that argument why do 90% of pp have a problem calling Tendulkar a matchwinner ?

Ho you nearly posted 5 post in a row without mentionning your god Sachin! That was going to be a crime!

Post something better and on topic, I will awnser!
 
Ho you nearly posted 5 post in a row without mentionning your god Sachin! That was going to be a crime!

Post something better and on topic, I will awnser!

So its just double standards ?

btw Tendulkar fans will tell you that am a Sachin hater , though am just a critic ...so easy there , I was just givig an example of how inconsistent some of your argumens are .
 
So its just double standards ?

btw Tendulkar fans will tell you that am a Sachin hater , though am just a critic ...so easy there , I was just givig an example of how inconsistent some of your argumens are .

Where did I talked about Sachin? He is your god, you are the one who is talking about him, lonely. I hope you will proove your point about how great he is!

Good luck!
 
kohli has age on his side and he is one hell of a batsman but amlas technique in swinging,seaming conditions is just out of this world.
amla for me as of now but i wouldnt be surprised if kohli ends up as batsman with better stats
 
Rizwan, Amla scored 6 centuries against Ind, it's easier to score against our bowling attack than Lanka's

Amla is from SA obv it's easier for him to score in Aus n Eng. Real test for him is scoring in UAE against Ajmal or in Lanka. Similarily Kohli's centuries in SA, ENG will be ranked higher.

It's a good comparison thread neverthless, Kohli is also a brilliant fielder n can contribute with ball. As this thread is about ODI, i would say Kohli is more useful when compared to Amla :)

UAE and srilanka has pretty much smiliar conditions as India. Also India has a better bowling then srilanka on any given day. I can't convince you to change your opinion since you are not even accepting any stats.
 
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I dont rate any hundred scored battig first . By that argument why do 90% of pp have a problem calling Tendulkar a matchwinner ?

LOL dis guy is hillarious

according to your logic its OK if you dont score runs batting first coz its not gonna be of any value....by this logic teams would lose every match they batted first in lol....

dude sachin is not a match winner not because he scored a lot of runs batting first....its because he SIMPLY IS NOT A MATCH WINNER...

but i still would rate an innings like his 200 as match winning....batting first rite?.....but who cares he still did enuf in the first inning itself for india to win it....even tho at the end of dat inning he went terribly slow not to miss out on his double:P but lets leave that for now

and amla aint bad chasing anyway......has a match winning 100 in a 300+ chase in wi against wi.....sure its wi but still counts as the target was high and their bowling line up is good enuf.....also he has a 80 or 90 chasing in aus against aus.....then thr r one or 2 70 and 90 odd knocks chasing nz in nz.....overall also averages a decent 43 chasing.....sure he hasnt played all dat many GREAT inning chasing but with time he will have more matches chasing and iam hopefull he will do dat too

and dat stat which someone posted about amla and kohli in aus and eng shows why i rate amla higher rite now.....sure in future it can change
 
and yes for any1 dismissing amla's GREAT tons jus coz they were batting first....BULLSHYT....

ricky ponting's 143 in wc final was batting first....and is rated ONE OF THE GREATEST ODI INNINGS EVERRRR.....and i dont see how even an indian could rate it below say a gambhir/dhoni 90 in WC finals in 2011....an inning cant be rated based on jus chasing or batting first....it does apply in some places not all....u gotta take into consideration all sorts of things....conditions...opposition....and many other things
 
If we look at the statistics of both batsmen, Amla really has some great ODI record. I would certainly rate him better than Kohli ATM.

His batting stats makes him look like even a better version of Kohli with no disrespect to what Kohli has done.

But I would want to see Ajmal vs Amla contest in Uae at this time. With both these players at their best, it will be interesting to see who gets the better of who particularly how Amla handles Ajmal.
 
and yes for any1 dismissing amla's GREAT tons jus coz they were batting first....BULLSHYT....

ricky ponting's 143 in wc final was batting first....and is rated ONE OF THE GREATEST ODI INNINGS EVERRRR.....and i dont see how even an indian could rate it below say a gambhir/dhoni 90 in WC finals in 2011....an inning cant be rated based on jus chasing or batting first....it does apply in some places not all....u gotta take into consideration all sorts of things....conditions...opposition....and many other things

who said ponting's 143 innings was greatest ever? It was just a good innings. Because it was done while batting 1st and not chasing.
 
LOL dis guy is hillarious

according to your logic its OK if you dont score runs batting first coz its not gonna be of any value....by this logic teams would lose every match they batted first in lol....

dude sachin is not a match winner not because he scored a lot of runs batting first....its because he SIMPLY IS NOT A MATCH WINNER...

but i still would rate an innings like his 200 as match winning....batting first rite?.....but who cares he still did enuf in the first inning itself for india to win it....even tho at the end of dat inning he went terribly slow not to miss out on his double:P but lets leave that for now

and amla aint bad chasing anyway......has a match winning 100 in a 300+ chase in wi against wi.....sure its wi but still counts as the target was high and their bowling line up is good enuf.....also he has a 80 or 90 chasing in aus against aus.....then thr r one or 2 70 and 90 odd knocks chasing nz in nz.....overall also averages a decent 43 chasing.....sure he hasnt played all dat many GREAT inning chasing but with time he will have more matches chasing and iam hopefull he will do dat too

and dat stat which someone posted about amla and kohli in aus and eng shows why i rate amla higher rite now.....sure in future it can change

WI, NZ? Those are bottom of the barrel. Next you'l bring what? Canada, uganda, papua newguinea?

You just proved yourself that amla is a minnow basher while chasing. Whilst, kohli scored tons after tons against the finalist of last two world cups. Who's better eh?
 
who said ponting's 143 innings was greatest ever? It was just a good innings. Because it was done while batting 1st and not chasing.

i never said its the GREATEST EVER.....but it def is ONE OF THE GREATEST EVER....most critics and fans do rate it as one of the greatest....and if u think it was jus good coz it was batting first den LOL...
 
WI, NZ? Those are bottom of the barrel. Next you'l bring what? Canada, uganda, papua newguinea?

You just proved yourself that amla is a minnow basher while chasing. Whilst, kohli scored tons after tons against the finalist of last two world cups. Who's better eh?


lol sure kohli is twice the player amla is coz he plays sri lanka once every sunday on beds

and i wasnt trying to show up windies to praise amla.....i myself did say sure its wi" u prolly too dumb to get dat thru ur thick head...i was jus tellin he aint bad chasin...and used multiple examples to show dat...
 
lol sure kohli is twice the player amla is coz he plays sri lanka once every sunday on beds

and i wasnt trying to show up windies to praise amla.....i myself did say sure its wi" u prolly too dumb to get dat thru ur thick head...i was jus tellin he aint bad chasin...and used multiple examples to show dat...

i agree.... Amla isn't bad in chasing. But look at kohli.... He's the beast. Whenever target is 300+, he's the man! Let's take SL out of context. What about that knock against pakistan in asia cup? SL, PAK are certainly tougher than WI, NZ. Isn't it?
 
Amla is pure class but Kohli is also not far behind. Though India should play less against SL. I think 70% of Kohli's runs are against Sri Lanka.
 
If we had to select ODI XI then will we compare these 2 batsmen? I guess not, we will probably select both of them.
 
Amla is pure class but Kohli is also not far behind. Though India should play less against SL. I think 70% of Kohli's runs are against Sri Lanka.

Nah, just 35%. :P

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i agree.... Amla isn't bad in chasing. But look at kohli.... He's the beast. Whenever target is 300+, he's the man! Let's take SL out of context. What about that knock against pakistan in asia cup? SL, PAK are certainly tougher than WI, NZ. Isn't it?

i agree kohli is better at chasing....never said amla is better than kohli in run chases.....i was jus tryin to say amla holds a pretty impressive record chasing....and still has played only 61 odi's.....so with time and more matches chasing he may bring out some really special innings chasing.....
 
If we look at the statistics of both batsmen, Amla really has some great ODI record. I would certainly rate him better than Kohli ATM.

His batting stats makes him look like even a better version of Kohli with no disrespect to what Kohli has done.

But I would want to see Ajmal vs Amla contest in Uae at this time. With both these players at their best, it will be interesting to see who gets the better of who particularly how Amla handles Ajmal.

thr will be an ajmal vs amla contest soon....as early as jan 2013....but unfortunately it wont be in UAE:P.....will be in south africa....still will be fun watchin arguably the worlds best spinner against one of the best batsmen in the world.....
 
Both are good, it's upto an individual perspective whom will we pick in our ODI side if only 1 is allowed!
 
thr will be an ajmal vs amla contest soon....as early as jan 2013....but unfortunately it wont be in UAE:P.....will be in south africa....still will be fun watchin arguably the worlds best spinner against one of the best batsmen in the world.....

Amls is the best TEST batsman currently & joint best in ODI's hence

He is THE BEST batsman in the world, no doubts on that.
 
Amla is ahead. But it is indeed quite hilarious that we used to have an enormous Kohli v Umar Akmal comparison thread, with many choosing Akmal :)))
Indeed. The Kohli/Akmal comparison itself looks funny now in all fairness.

Other than the one reason of superior stats, I have the impression that Amla's a slightly better player of top quality pace bowling than Kohli in seamng conditions where defense gets critically tested. Ofcourse, two reasons are in his favour, one that he opens and faces more pace by default, and the second that he plays for the team with the best pace lineup. Hard one really, but I'll pick Amla.
 
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Amla's strike rate is amazing. It's 4 runs more than Dhoni's!!!!
 
both are fantastic players..but if compared then kohli is better..because of the fact that he performs better in tight match situations...and is more successful than amla in run chases..
 
Who amla? who was batting like a 6 years old kid against Raza Hasan and Doherty? I thought he cant play spin but he proved me wrong when Zaheer got better of hin. Shame made 20 000 runs in England but pissed in pants when it mattered in an ICC event.
 
Lol one failure in a hit and giggle format and suddenly he's a 6 year old. Wake me up the day a Pakistani batsman scores a triple hundred in England, or even produces a batsman of Amla's calibre.
 
Lol one failure in a hit and giggle format and suddenly he's a 6 year old. Wake me up the day a Pakistani batsman scores a triple hundred in England, or even produces a batsman of Amla's calibre.

Agree but Pakistan have produced batsman as good and better than Hashim Amla. Mohammed Yousuf was better then Hashim.
 
Agree but Pakistan have produced batsman as good and better than Hashim Amla. Mohammed Yousuf was better then Hashim.

It's the beard effect :D

But yeah I wasn't taking a shot at Pakistan, but the guy above who rubbishes a class act based on a slog fest. Pakistan hasn't produced another batsman of Yousuf's quality since Yousuf, so he shouldn't be throwing stones :)
 
So bringing test performances into ODI's is wrong but bringing T20 performances is not?
Amla is without doubt the #1 batsman in both the main formats of the game if we look at them individually, he just broke Sir Viv's all-time record which is really saying something.

Having said this, he plays for a team that have a poor record in world tourneys and like all of his teammates, he failed in the WT20.

Amla also doesn't seem to hurt us as much as Kohli so another thumbs up for #.
 
Virat Kohli is a better batsman ,better human being because he keeps team before himself.
 
Virat Kohli is a better batsman ,better human being because he keeps team before himself.

He is a better human being than Amla? He is a better batter than Amla? He is more of a team man than Amla?

Really?

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Lol one failure in a hit and giggle format and suddenly he's a 6 year old. Wake me up the day a Pakistani batsman scores a triple hundred in England, or even produces a batsman of Amla's calibre.

Statsguru is an indian who has put Pakistan flag...

Otherwise this thread was about ODI's, so don't know why someone will take T20 performances to compare both in ODI's...
 
Statsguru is an indian who has put Pakistan flag...

Otherwise this thread was about ODI's, so don't know why someone will take T20 performances to compare both in ODI's...

Normal behaviour when 1 cannot substantiate something they would like to and then bring something else (totally unrelated) to make their point.

So much of that happens here though, you have been a member for some time now and I am sure that you have noticed this trend!!!!
 
Get real mate!!

Amla will probably end up with a better career than Yousuf but at the moment he is not on Yousuf's level.

What should be discussed here, is that Amla has proven that he is much better than Kohli who would get eaten alive by Junaid and Irfan on these pitches.
 
Hashim Amla Vs Virat Kohli (ODI)

Whatever makes you happy Bilal! Kohli is just 24 n has done greater things to Amla at his age, as of now his Test performances are going north which is the crucial part of anyone's game :)
 
Whatever makes you happy Bilal! Kohli is just 24 n has done greater things to Amla at his age, as of now his Test performances are going north which is the crucial part of anyone's game :)

Amla is in different class, he scores more runs faster against better oppositions on more difficult pitches.
 
Amla FTW. 11 hundreds and 19 fifties in 64 innings and SR of 92. That's insane. ABD is the second best at the moment.
 
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I don't think either have been taking the ODI game seriously of late.

Fair enough too.
 
What makes you say that? Haven't missed a single ODI.

Amla has been around the South African squads for several years and hasn't played as many games as one would expect - just 66 for crissake!

Kohli has been scoring more runs in tests than in ODIs of late.
 
I don't think either have been taking the ODI game seriously of late.

Fair enough too.

one is numero uno :amla

other is numero tres :kohli ....

...in the rankings (where Kiwis are as hard to find, as the Hobbits in the LOTR battle scenes) :yk
 
Amla will probably end up with a better career than Yousuf but at the moment he is not on Yousuf's level.

But i dont understand what level you are talking about. Amla is already a better player to Yousuf. All i know is he is just a guy who had a crazy 20 innings in Test cricket and scored 2000 odd runs at an average of 100+ second only to Bradman. Else he was another hyped up player, you can look at his record across countries if you like. He was decent nothing more, not in Amla's league, sorry.
 
Amla can't deliver under pressure. In this aspect, forget kohli, raina > amla.

P.s. Talking about only handling pressure here. Not technicality issues.
 
Hashim Amla Vs Virat Kohli (ODI)

Amla can't deliver under pressure. In this aspect, forget kohli, raina > amla.

P.s. Talking about only handling pressure here. Not technicality issues.

Did you watch the last match?
 
Hashim Amla Vs Virat Kohli (ODI)

yes i did. Where afridi surpassed amla.

Where was his MOTM then? Hitting a long ball doesn't mean you surpass anything - except maybe for SC fans who are obsessed by stupid things like long 6s and bowling speeds.
 
Where was his MOTM then? Hitting a long ball doesn't mean you surpass anything - except maybe for SC fans who are obsessed by stupid things like long 6s and bowling speeds.

you missed the point. In a pitch where afridi can score 88, tells you the nature of the pitch. So sorry, amla got a road ahead and cashed in. But soon pressure match comes, he fails to deliver. A true south african. Holding the legacy. ;-)
 
Hashim Amla Vs Virat Kohli (ODI)

you missed the point. In a pitch where afridi can score 88, tells you the nature of the pitch. So sorry, amla got a road ahead and cashed in. But soon pressure match comes, he fails to deliver. A true south african. Holding the legacy. ;-)

Pressure match? There was still two matches to go at the start of the day bru. Anyone could have gotten out first ball to that delivery, it means nothing. Why didn't Kohli break Viv's record given the roads he plays on, and all those matches against the great Lanka?
 
Amla always chockes on big matches like wc quater,the match against england in wc,t20 wc super six.a true great saffer
 
Amla can't deliver under pressure. In this aspect, forget kohli, raina > amla.

P.s. Talking about only handling pressure here. Not technicality issues.

Amla always chockes on big matches like wc quater,the match against england in wc,t20 wc super six.a true great saffer

Just like Kholi chocked the whole of the 2011 wolrd cup.
Chocked the two important matches against of last T20 world cup against Australia and South Africa.
Chocked the first three test agains Australia in Australia and at home against England?
Chocked against Pakistan at home?
Chocked in the ODI's against Australia in Australia and bashed the Sri Lankan there?


Amla 2 times the batsman Kholi will ever be. Scored a 150 against England in England, a very good attack that was on an not so easy surface.
 
Just like Kholi chocked the whole of the 2011 wolrd cup.
Chocked the two important matches against of last T20 world cup against Australia and South Africa.
Chocked the first three test agains Australia in Australia and at home against England?
Chocked against Pakistan at home?
Chocked in the ODI's against Australia in Australia and bashed the Sri Lankan there?


Amla 2 times the batsman Kholi will ever be. Scored a 150 against England in England, a very good attack that was on an not so easy surface.

look at the thread title, it isn't about test, t20.
 
Pressure match? There was still two matches to go at the start of the day bru. Anyone could have gotten out first ball to that delivery, it means nothing. Why didn't Kohli break Viv's record given the roads he plays on, and all those matches against the great Lanka?

because viv > kohli. I am not sure the relevance here. We are comparing kohli and amla, not kohli and viv.
 
Amla and Kohli are close but the sheer consistency Amla is showing puts him ahead atm. But saying that Kohli isn't far off.
 
Kohli far better. Shown he can handle the highest pressure ie world cup where as amla choked.
 
Pressure match? There was still two matches to go at the start of the day bru. Anyone could have gotten out first ball to that delivery, it means nothing. Why didn't Kohli break Viv's record given the roads he plays on, and all those matches against the great Lanka?

He is a choker admit it.
 
because viv > kohli. I am not sure the relevance here. We are comparing kohli and amla, not kohli and viv.

i think he mentioned Viv because Amla broke his record. Not to mention that Amla bats in swinging conditions. Amla and AB are ahead of Kohli at the moment.
 
But i dont understand what level you are talking about. Amla is already a better player to Yousuf. All i know is he is just a guy who had a crazy 20 innings in Test cricket and scored 2000 odd runs at an average of 100+ second only to Bradman. Else he was another hyped up player, you can look at his record across countries if you like. He was decent nothing more, not in Amla's league, sorry.

Oh, you're just a troll. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Amla can't deliver under pressure. In this aspect, forget kohli, raina > amla.

P.s. Talking about only handling pressure here. Not technicality issues.

Lol. Kohli did amazingly on those seamer friendly pitches didn't he? Amla is a gun pressure player and the entire Saffer dressing room has testified to that in previous interviews. The pitch for the last game may have been a road but Amla soaked up the pressure in the first 10 overs and then along with ABD launched a magnificent counter attack and broke a Tenda record in the process.
 
Where was his MOTM then? Hitting a long ball doesn't mean you surpass anything - except maybe for SC fans who are obsessed by stupid things like long 6s and bowling speeds.

Be careful arrogance is terrible look at aussies now....
 
Also, since when do openers choke in the first innings of a match? The logic of some PP'ers is absolutely mind-boggling. Had Amla gotten this first ball duck at the beginning of a chase, this argument would have substance.
 
i think he mentioned Viv because Amla broke his record. Not to mention that Amla bats in swinging conditions. Amla and AB are ahead of Kohli at the moment.

sehwag made 219 and broke tendu's record of 200. Does it mean sehwag > tendu?

You guys are missing the point. I am saying, when it comes to pressure situation, amla fails. He can make 500 in an odi but that even doesn't change this fact. He is not a match winner unlike kohli.
 
Kohli far better. Shown he can handle the highest pressure ie world cup where as amla choked.

If you're referring to the knockout versus the Blackcaps, the ball richoceted off his shoes into the slip's hands. Just unlucky.
 
Oh, you're just a troll. Whatever helps you sleep at night.



Lol. Kohli did amazingly on those seamer friendly pitches didn't he? Amla is a gun pressure player and the entire Saffer dressing room has testified to that in previous interviews. The pitch for the last game may have been a road but Amla soaked up the pressure in the first 10 overs and then along with ABD launched a magnificent counter attack and broke a Tenda record in the process.

lol. It was his duty, not achievement. Kohli always does it. I didn't mention it because i didn't think it was some out of the world thing.
 
lol. It was his duty, not achievement. Kohli always does it. I didn't mention it because i didn't think it was some out of the world thing.

Yes, its the duty of every player to perform well but not everyone can do it against a top-quality attack. Saying that Amla is not a match-winner is worthy of a :facepalm:
 
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